its_quddus, it's again how we interpret it. According to Quran, who ever helps Allah (helping in Islam) is a friend of Allah. So if you say Ali wali-Allah there is no harm.
I give u an example, we pray a prayer which is also present in Quran "Rab-bana Aatina Fid-duniya Hasan-taoon Wa fil Akhiraati Hasan-taoon Waqina Azab-n-naar" now we sunni in most of the mosques extend it with "Waqina Azab-al-qabri, Waqina Azab-al-hashri, Waqina Azab-al-meezaan" which is not part of Quran, but Salfi people say this is bid-dat (Something added to Islam by ourselves and is not part of Islam) and is a sin (may Allah forgive us), but in fact whatever we are saying is a prayer.
I'm not a Shia and neither I'm leading Shia's community but I am just saying something which is part of a common sense that in their Kalima, the first part is exactly the same as of Sunni's Kalima, the other part is not denying the previous part.
The other thing is Kalima is not a sequence of words but the witness of something. Coz our prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was arabic and the belief and prayer is in arabic, doesn't mean that someone having a belief of a muslim and can't pronounse arabic should be considered as non-muslim.
It's a very long debate and forum is not the right place to discuss it. I would just end up my conversation that we should be more flexible in our thoughts and should have courage and patience to listen what other person is saying and try to satisfy him/her in the most decent way.
There are some audio cds/cassattes from Dr. Israar Ahmad discussing this Shia-Sunni issues and it broadens our minds. I would suggest one to listen it once. our knowledge is very limited, scholars have a great work of research prior to come to a conclusion.
its_quddus, it's again how we interpret it. According to Quran, who ever helps Allah (helping in Islam) is a friend of Allah. So if you say Ali wali-Allah there is no harm.
I give u an example, we pray a prayer which is also present in Quran "Rab-bana Aatina Fid-duniya Hasan-taoon Wa fil Akhiraati Hasan-taoon Waqina Azab-n-naar" now we sunni in most of the mosques extend it with "Waqina Azab-al-qabri, Waqina Azab-al-hashri, Waqina Azab-al-meezaan" which is not part of Quran, but Salfi people say this is bid-dat (Something added to Islam by ourselves and is not part of Islam) and is a sin (may Allah forgive us), but in fact whatever we are saying is a prayer.
I'm not a Shia and neither I'm leading Shia's community but I am just saying something which is part of a common sense that in their Kalima, the first part is exactly the same as of Sunni's Kalima, the other part is not denying the previous part.
The other thing is Kalima is not a sequence of words but the witness of something. Coz our prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was arabic and the belief and prayer is in arabic, doesn't mean that someone having a belief of a muslim and can't pronounse arabic should be considered as non-muslim.
It's a very long debate and forum is not the right place to discuss it. I would just end up my conversation that we should be more flexible in our thoughts and should have courage and patience to listen what other person is saying and try to satisfy him/her in the most decent way.
There are some audio cds/cassattes from Dr. Israar Ahmad discussing this Shia-Sunni issues and it broadens our minds. I would suggest one to listen it once. our knowledge is very limited, scholars have a great work of research prior to come to a conclusion.