Ur views on adoption and ur passion towards ur views are apprciated..
i think u have a personal experience with being adopted that makes u more emotionally attached than most of us discussing this, and hence ur strong unrelenting views...
i appologise if u have hurt u by my commensts, i assure u i didnt intend to...
it just hit me rit now while i was reading ur response that u may have a personal experience that makes u more sensitve about the issue...
at any rate, i appreciate ur outlook and views and i m sure u have ample reason to feel and believe the way u do ....
I dont think any one reading ur input and views has described them as " ultra modern" or " Unbecoming" although many of us could have easilly used these terms to decrice how we feel about them...
I ( may be mistakenly so) was expecting u to be as curtious in regards to the Islamic view...
My be u dont know this, but in our faith the Quran is dictated and written by God, and therfore refering to its commands as outdated and old fashioned is a very serious insult...For in doing so u r directly insulting God himself
I m sure however u wouldnt want to insult anyone, u probably just didnt know....
I appreciate ur openions and i humbly beg to differ ( on grounds of my earlier arguments)...
additionally, if a child is being abused by his parents( whether sexually or otherwise),makes the child fall under what i described earlier as ( needing) of care outside his familly system , and islamic jurisprudance has no objections ( actually would incourage ) the immidiate relocation of that child in a loving environment...
so no contradiction between ur insitance to see children safe ( as we all do), and the way islam deals with that issue...
qd06
i totally agree with u that muslims generally are too uptight about abiding to the litral print of the quran without paying much attention to the context...
i also agree that in many circumstances , Islam and muslim interests would be better served by adopting a felxible view on some quranic versus given the context they are being applied in...
i truely appreciate ur input on this matter...
Humbly however, i would like 2 disagree that there is any pretext under which giving a an adopted child ur name would be permissable in islamic jurisprudance ( and thats my personal openion, i could well be wrong)
as i was explaining to Gypsy, The islam jursiprudance stipulates an increadiblly sophisticated system of inheritance and familly structure...
To give an adopted child ur name would be serious tampering with the foundations of that system....
Furthermore, like someone thankfully pointed out, the child himself has the right to know who the bilogical parents are....
He/she might be taken in as infants, that doesnt give any one the right to give them their name and hence totally deleting their heritage and familly name and reference forever without even telling the child when he grows up....
it is also important to note that should a familly decide to take a child in, thier love and support for this child is not limited by what last name he/she carries...
His/her last name could be whatever , but his/her new familly will love and chrich them all the same....
the naming issue is merely a regulatery matter for legal and marital consideraions, and from where i m standing ( and from islamic jurisprudance view point) i find it both wise and neccessary to legislate that...
Different and opposing views are very wellcomed so long as they are articulated with respect to Quran....
We can agree to disagree as civilsed people without having to insult each other...
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Gypsy,
Ur views on adoption and ur passion towards ur views are apprciated..
i think u have a personal experience with being adopted that makes u more emotionally attached than most of us discussing this, and hence ur strong unrelenting views...
i appologise if u have hurt u by my commensts, i assure u i didnt intend to...
it just hit me rit now while i was reading ur response that u may have a personal experience that makes u more sensitve about the issue...
at any rate, i appreciate ur outlook and views and i m sure u have ample reason to feel and believe the way u do ....
I dont think any one reading ur input and views has described them as " ultra modern" or " Unbecoming" although many of us could have easilly used these terms to decrice how we feel about them...
I ( may be mistakenly so) was expecting u to be as curtious in regards to the Islamic view...
My be u dont know this, but in our faith the Quran is dictated and written by God, and therfore refering to its commands as outdated and old fashioned is a very serious insult...For in doing so u r directly insulting God himself
I m sure however u wouldnt want to insult anyone, u probably just didnt know....
I appreciate ur openions and i humbly beg to differ ( on grounds of my earlier arguments)...
additionally, if a child is being abused by his parents( whether sexually or otherwise),makes the child fall under what i described earlier as ( needing) of care outside his familly system , and islamic jurisprudance has no objections ( actually would incourage ) the immidiate relocation of that child in a loving environment...
so no contradiction between ur insitance to see children safe ( as we all do), and the way islam deals with that issue...
qd06
i totally agree with u that muslims generally are too uptight about abiding to the litral print of the quran without paying much attention to the context...
i also agree that in many circumstances , Islam and muslim interests would be better served by adopting a felxible view on some quranic versus given the context they are being applied in...
i truely appreciate ur input on this matter...
Humbly however, i would like 2 disagree that there is any pretext under which giving a an adopted child ur name would be permissable in islamic jurisprudance ( and thats my personal openion, i could well be wrong)
as i was explaining to Gypsy, The islam jursiprudance stipulates an increadiblly sophisticated system of inheritance and familly structure...
To give an adopted child ur name would be serious tampering with the foundations of that system....
Furthermore, like someone thankfully pointed out, the child himself has the right to know who the bilogical parents are....
He/she might be taken in as infants, that doesnt give any one the right to give them their name and hence totally deleting their heritage and familly name and reference forever without even telling the child when he grows up....
it is also important to note that should a familly decide to take a child in, thier love and support for this child is not limited by what last name he/she carries...
His/her last name could be whatever , but his/her new familly will love and chrich them all the same....
the naming issue is merely a regulatery matter for legal and marital consideraions, and from where i m standing ( and from islamic jurisprudance view point) i find it both wise and neccessary to legislate that...
Different and opposing views are very wellcomed so long as they are articulated with respect to Quran....
We can agree to disagree as civilsed people without having to insult each other...
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