i would like 2 draw ur attention along with everyone else to the fact that u r grocely misinformed ..which is OK, i guess this is why this exchange of info is so important, so that those of us who dont know become enlighetned....
Mr, rope, let me adress ur points 1 by 1
1) Mohammad didnt ( and never wanted) 2 commit sucide upon recieving the 1st revelation.
His response ( that of uncertainity and fear) is nothing short of normal, and is the same feeling described by Moses and all those who came in direct conatct with the majesty of God...
2) No self respecting scholar of christianity has ever dared to verify that jesus EVER refered to himself as god...
as a matter of fact, self respecting christian scholars are very sure that he never did....and that the idea of the divinity of jesus came later on after he had died...
for refrence please read Keren Aremstrong's " History of God"
Just for the record, Miss Aremtrong is an EX nun....
Also let me point ur attention that NONE OF THOSE WHO BROUGH THE WORD OF GOD TO MAN KIND EVER ALLEDGED THEY WERE DEVINE...THEY ALL CONFESSED TO BEING MEN...
There is NO SENSE is sending a lion 2 preach to dogs...
in the same way, there is no sense in sendig Gods to preach to men...
Mohammad indeed confessed to being man, in the same way all other prophets did ( abraham, moses, isiah, jacob,) ALL OF THEM ( including christ in the muslim vesrion of the story at least)
3)Mohhamd's instructions came DIRECTLY from God VIA the angel Gabriel...
its absoultely redicilous to even bring that up...
if u have a problem with the messnegrs God chooses to send his words to his prophets;, take it up with him ( God ) directlly, and save us the sophists attitude, we can argue about semnatics and means of delivery from here till doom;s day to no avail...
4)Mohammad 's miracles were many...The fact that u ignorant to em doesnt mean they didnt exist...
The moon split when he pointed at it.
He fed an entire army from a little bit of milk he had with him...
He healed the sick with the touch of his hand....
and many other things
all that put aside, there is a wisdom in not having Mohammad perform many impressive miracles as jesus did...
the idea is to make mankind understand that ANYONE ( for mohammad was just a man) who is well connected to God can live a happy prosporous life and do great things in life without having to resort to miracles.
and the idea also was to test the faith of the believers...
its very easy to believe a man who can revive the dead or split the sea into to halves when he says he has a message from god.
But when u r convinced without seeing those super duper things, and are convinced solely by merit of argument and belief and faith, then u have reached a non surpassed level of faith never before whitnesses in human history...
5)There is no way in the world you ( or anyone else) can prove that jesus didnt marry...
and even if he didnt, i think it can be attributed to the fact that he was " taken" from earth before he reached 35 years of age...
a man like him busy with preaching since he was an infant ( for the quran tells us he spoke in his cradle), might not have had the time to do so...That in no way means he never intended to..
On the other hand, Mohammad's experience is again more human ( and hence could be duplicated by u and me)
i really doubt ( and i m sure u d agree with me), that none of us would ever be able 2 sacrifice ourselves on a cross for the slavation and redemption of the Human race ...
On the other hand, we can all be like Mohammad in his manners and kindness, and we can all learn from him as a single man, a husband, and a father .....( or at least strive 2 )...
6) i m not quite sure what difference does it make when jesus and mohammad recieved the comission and the calling!!!!Day light, Darkness of the night!!!What is ur point ???r u like a morning kinda guy or something?!
7)Mohammad did fullfill many biblical prophecies...
for ur refrence as a scholar of christianity i refer u to the following webpage, i hope u find it usefull
8)The quran never stipulated the Mohammad was a sinner...if u r going to refer to versus from the quran for citation, u can at least do so after having read the meaning of the verse u r quoting instead of making urself judge and jury on an issue u r so far from capable of being objective about....
9) indeed mohammad was not virgin born...Only 1 man in history was virgin born..and that man is Christ...
The reason for that is to complete the circle of creation of the all mighty..its a testimony in the greatness of God...
He created Adam from no man and no woman
Created eve from a man and no woman
and therefore it was only natural that he creates jesus
Jesus was created with a woman and no man..
And that is how God shows us his power
10)Jesus did recieve the voice of God directly while MOhammad recieved revalations from Gabriel...
However MOhammad assended to the 7th heaven and was IN THE ACTUAL PHISICAL PRESENCE OF THE ALLMIGHTY....
11) Mohammad said about women ( No one but a vicious person would harm a woman, and no one but a gentle man would honor her)
Mohammad said ( Heaven is at the feat of Mothers)
When asked who to pay tribute to while alive Mohammad replied
Ur mom
he was asked " then who"
he said: ur mom
he was asked " then who"
he said " ur mom"
he was asked " then who"
he replied " ur dad"
MOhammad never said women were 1/2 as smart as men, and what u r refering 2 IS NOT HADITH, its a quranic verse...
And the verse talks not of intteligence in any ways...
it merely stipulates that in situations were testimony is needed, u can use 2 male whitnessess OR 1 male whitness and 2 female whitnesses...
the wisdom of that i cant really answer conclusivelly on...
My best explanation ( and i could be totally wrong) , is that sometimes when women are hermonal like at times of PMS and their period , they are so very emotional that it sometimes affects how they judge things...
that is not to say they CAN NOT JUDGE, ..rather i mean that they tend to wieght things with a more emotional balance than a rational one...
and may be thats why 2 women are needed so that if one of them is in that state the other would remind her....
and again i reittertae thats my own attempt at explaining this, i could be totally wrong...
In conclusion, thank u for ur polite words about the prophet of islam...
As for jesus and Mary, as a muslim i have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for both of them as an integral part of my faith in God the allmighty....
If u beleieve that mohammad falls short when compared to jesus, the only thing i could reply by saying is that God doesnt want us to compare between his messengers, but to listen to the message that they all came with to us...
and that message ( and jesus would agree with me on that) is of love, ...Not of blind hate as poisonous redicule that serves no purpose but to illustrate to all of those who are truley believers in their heart that u r NO WHERE CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, MOSES, OR Mohammad...
My God bring peace to ur soul...
A final word on this whole thing is
Muslims respect all prophets of God, and Christ has an increadible status in our religion as the FINAL SAVIOUR...The man who will lead the last fight between Good and evil , and kill the anti christ and be the last leader of the nation of believers on earth before aramageddon...
that is how much respect and staus jesus has in my faith...
if u r speaking about tolerance, please show me what respect u have extended to Mohammad, the messeneger of God who changed the face of the earth and started an empire of God fearing worshipping people out of pagant stone worhiping tribes...
show me how tolerant u r and how abiding are u to the teachings of Christ of love and acceptance....
I will agree with u that the face of islam today is not tolerant...
Trust me my friend, that has nothing 2 do with the FAITH of Islam...
it has to do with the quality of muslims these days...
Mohammad, the man u so igorantlly redicule, ( May God forgive u for that)was the 1st man in recorded history to make a modern day constitution giving Jews the right of citizinship in his city ( Madina) and Muslims and jews coexisted in Madina untill the jews ( while mohammad and the entire army was at the outskirts of the city defending an invasion) turned against him and started killing the muslim women and children left behind....
Mohammad, My dear friend, was the 1st man in history to sign a non agression treaty between religions when he recieved a christian delagation for a trible called "Bani Nagran" in which he wrote that there will be no coersion of them 2 convert, and that they can practice their religion in their churches without ever fearing a muslim attack or agression...
That is the kind of tolerance Mohammad lived by
and that is the kind of tolerance jesus lived by
and that is the kind of tolerance any true believer should strive to live by....
But leave it to some ridicelous Muslims who go around bombing people in the name of God, and some equally ridicelous people who try to Put the prophets and messengers of God in a comparisson to see who is better ( as if its a football game) to spoil that spirit of tolerance and acceptance....
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Mr. Red rope
i would like 2 draw ur attention along with everyone else to the fact that u r grocely misinformed ..which is OK, i guess this is why this exchange of info is so important, so that those of us who dont know become enlighetned....
Mr, rope, let me adress ur points 1 by 1
1) Mohammad didnt ( and never wanted) 2 commit sucide upon recieving the 1st revelation.
His response ( that of uncertainity and fear) is nothing short of normal, and is the same feeling described by Moses and all those who came in direct conatct with the majesty of God...
2) No self respecting scholar of christianity has ever dared to verify that jesus EVER refered to himself as god...
as a matter of fact, self respecting christian scholars are very sure that he never did....and that the idea of the divinity of jesus came later on after he had died...
for refrence please read Keren Aremstrong's " History of God"
Just for the record, Miss Aremtrong is an EX nun....
Also let me point ur attention that NONE OF THOSE WHO BROUGH THE WORD OF GOD TO MAN KIND EVER ALLEDGED THEY WERE DEVINE...THEY ALL CONFESSED TO BEING MEN...
There is NO SENSE is sending a lion 2 preach to dogs...
in the same way, there is no sense in sendig Gods to preach to men...
Mohammad indeed confessed to being man, in the same way all other prophets did ( abraham, moses, isiah, jacob,) ALL OF THEM ( including christ in the muslim vesrion of the story at least)
3)Mohhamd's instructions came DIRECTLY from God VIA the angel Gabriel...
its absoultely redicilous to even bring that up...
if u have a problem with the messnegrs God chooses to send his words to his prophets;, take it up with him ( God ) directlly, and save us the sophists attitude, we can argue about semnatics and means of delivery from here till doom;s day to no avail...
4)Mohammad 's miracles were many...The fact that u ignorant to em doesnt mean they didnt exist...
The moon split when he pointed at it.
He fed an entire army from a little bit of milk he had with him...
He healed the sick with the touch of his hand....
and many other things
all that put aside, there is a wisdom in not having Mohammad perform many impressive miracles as jesus did...
the idea is to make mankind understand that ANYONE ( for mohammad was just a man) who is well connected to God can live a happy prosporous life and do great things in life without having to resort to miracles.
and the idea also was to test the faith of the believers...
its very easy to believe a man who can revive the dead or split the sea into to halves when he says he has a message from god.
But when u r convinced without seeing those super duper things, and are convinced solely by merit of argument and belief and faith, then u have reached a non surpassed level of faith never before whitnesses in human history...
5)There is no way in the world you ( or anyone else) can prove that jesus didnt marry...
and even if he didnt, i think it can be attributed to the fact that he was " taken" from earth before he reached 35 years of age...
a man like him busy with preaching since he was an infant ( for the quran tells us he spoke in his cradle), might not have had the time to do so...That in no way means he never intended to..
On the other hand, Mohammad's experience is again more human ( and hence could be duplicated by u and me)
i really doubt ( and i m sure u d agree with me), that none of us would ever be able 2 sacrifice ourselves on a cross for the slavation and redemption of the Human race ...
On the other hand, we can all be like Mohammad in his manners and kindness, and we can all learn from him as a single man, a husband, and a father .....( or at least strive 2 )...
6) i m not quite sure what difference does it make when jesus and mohammad recieved the comission and the calling!!!!Day light, Darkness of the night!!!What is ur point ???r u like a morning kinda guy or something?!
7)Mohammad did fullfill many biblical prophecies...
for ur refrence as a scholar of christianity i refer u to the following webpage, i hope u find it usefull
( http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-3-more.htm)
8)The quran never stipulated the Mohammad was a sinner...if u r going to refer to versus from the quran for citation, u can at least do so after having read the meaning of the verse u r quoting instead of making urself judge and jury on an issue u r so far from capable of being objective about....
9) indeed mohammad was not virgin born...Only 1 man in history was virgin born..and that man is Christ...
The reason for that is to complete the circle of creation of the all mighty..its a testimony in the greatness of God...
He created Adam from no man and no woman
Created eve from a man and no woman
and therefore it was only natural that he creates jesus
Jesus was created with a woman and no man..
And that is how God shows us his power
10)Jesus did recieve the voice of God directly while MOhammad recieved revalations from Gabriel...
However MOhammad assended to the 7th heaven and was IN THE ACTUAL PHISICAL PRESENCE OF THE ALLMIGHTY....
11) Mohammad said about women ( No one but a vicious person would harm a woman, and no one but a gentle man would honor her)
Mohammad said ( Heaven is at the feat of Mothers)
When asked who to pay tribute to while alive Mohammad replied
Ur mom
he was asked " then who"
he said: ur mom
he was asked " then who"
he said " ur mom"
he was asked " then who"
he replied " ur dad"
MOhammad never said women were 1/2 as smart as men, and what u r refering 2 IS NOT HADITH, its a quranic verse...
And the verse talks not of intteligence in any ways...
it merely stipulates that in situations were testimony is needed, u can use 2 male whitnessess OR 1 male whitness and 2 female whitnesses...
the wisdom of that i cant really answer conclusivelly on...
My best explanation ( and i could be totally wrong) , is that sometimes when women are hermonal like at times of PMS and their period , they are so very emotional that it sometimes affects how they judge things...
that is not to say they CAN NOT JUDGE, ..rather i mean that they tend to wieght things with a more emotional balance than a rational one...
and may be thats why 2 women are needed so that if one of them is in that state the other would remind her....
and again i reittertae thats my own attempt at explaining this, i could be totally wrong...
In conclusion, thank u for ur polite words about the prophet of islam...
As for jesus and Mary, as a muslim i have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for both of them as an integral part of my faith in God the allmighty....
If u beleieve that mohammad falls short when compared to jesus, the only thing i could reply by saying is that God doesnt want us to compare between his messengers, but to listen to the message that they all came with to us...
and that message ( and jesus would agree with me on that) is of love, ...Not of blind hate as poisonous redicule that serves no purpose but to illustrate to all of those who are truley believers in their heart that u r NO WHERE CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, MOSES, OR Mohammad...
My God bring peace to ur soul...
A final word on this whole thing is
Muslims respect all prophets of God, and Christ has an increadible status in our religion as the FINAL SAVIOUR...The man who will lead the last fight between Good and evil , and kill the anti christ and be the last leader of the nation of believers on earth before aramageddon...
that is how much respect and staus jesus has in my faith...
if u r speaking about tolerance, please show me what respect u have extended to Mohammad, the messeneger of God who changed the face of the earth and started an empire of God fearing worshipping people out of pagant stone worhiping tribes...
show me how tolerant u r and how abiding are u to the teachings of Christ of love and acceptance....
I will agree with u that the face of islam today is not tolerant...
Trust me my friend, that has nothing 2 do with the FAITH of Islam...
it has to do with the quality of muslims these days...
Mohammad, the man u so igorantlly redicule, ( May God forgive u for that)was the 1st man in recorded history to make a modern day constitution giving Jews the right of citizinship in his city ( Madina) and Muslims and jews coexisted in Madina untill the jews ( while mohammad and the entire army was at the outskirts of the city defending an invasion) turned against him and started killing the muslim women and children left behind....
Mohammad, My dear friend, was the 1st man in history to sign a non agression treaty between religions when he recieved a christian delagation for a trible called "Bani Nagran" in which he wrote that there will be no coersion of them 2 convert, and that they can practice their religion in their churches without ever fearing a muslim attack or agression...
That is the kind of tolerance Mohammad lived by
and that is the kind of tolerance jesus lived by
and that is the kind of tolerance any true believer should strive to live by....
But leave it to some ridicelous Muslims who go around bombing people in the name of God, and some equally ridicelous people who try to Put the prophets and messengers of God in a comparisson to see who is better ( as if its a football game) to spoil that spirit of tolerance and acceptance....
May god bless us all....
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