One good thing abuot being away from this comunity for a long time is when you come back to discussion threads you get the whole picture...while when you follow up one thread and wait for the next you actually lose track of some ideas..
Reading this discussion I can tell (in my opinion) that butterfly and super7 have very close ideas...they agree about many common things...you just disagree about their justification or naming.
Super7,
You seem like a very educated person...I have to admit this...I also have to admit that I can't compete with you in a long argument...neither my language nor my knowlege can help me out on this..
BUT...I was just wondering about one thing...if you beleive in something that has started this universe,whether it is evolution or explosion or whatever...doesn't that make it your God ???
My point is, we (religious people...and particularly muslims) don't see God, we can't see him or touch him or feel him (by the way "him" in the arabic language is used for any one/thing/entity without a gender)...
but we can KNOW God through his effects...through his creation...we call this higher power God, others call it Fire, some call it Nature ...it doesn't matter...if you beleive in a higher power then this mean you beleive in God.
The normal logical observation of anything that goes on and of any scientific fact should lead you ultimately to the fact that there must be a higher power taking control over things...and not like you say we beleive in God because we realised we are dying.
Death is fact and it is one of the signs that God give us to show his almightiness....despite all the scientific acheivements no one could or will defete or cheat death...
About free sex, I agree that it would be the sweetest thing, just like when you do drugs, it is so sweet but I wish it didn't have all the consequences it has...that's why we need to stick to marriage and our religions (or call it morals or traditions) in order to enjoy the divine bounty of sex without hurting or being hurt by anyone.
One good thing abuot being away from this comunity for a long time is when you come back to discussion threads you get the whole picture...while when you follow up one thread and wait for the next you actually lose track of some ideas..
Reading this discussion I can tell (in my opinion) that butterfly and super7 have very close ideas...they agree about many common things...you just disagree about their justification or naming.
Super7,
You seem like a very educated person...I have to admit this...I also have to admit that I can't compete with you in a long argument...neither my language nor my knowlege can help me out on this..
BUT...I was just wondering about one thing...if you beleive in something that has started this universe,whether it is evolution or explosion or whatever...doesn't that make it your God ???
My point is, we (religious people...and particularly muslims) don't see God, we can't see him or touch him or feel him (by the way "him" in the arabic language is used for any one/thing/entity without a gender)...
but we can KNOW God through his effects...through his creation...we call this higher power God, others call it Fire, some call it Nature ...it doesn't matter...if you beleive in a higher power then this mean you beleive in God.
The normal logical observation of anything that goes on and of any scientific fact should lead you ultimately to the fact that there must be a higher power taking control over things...and not like you say we beleive in God because we realised we are dying.
Death is fact and it is one of the signs that God give us to show his almightiness....despite all the scientific acheivements no one could or will defete or cheat death...
About free sex, I agree that it would be the sweetest thing, just like when you do drugs, it is so sweet but I wish it didn't have all the consequences it has...that's why we need to stick to marriage and our religions (or call it morals or traditions) in order to enjoy the divine bounty of sex without hurting or being hurt by anyone.