Philipino Girl

am working partime with egyptian family before, they are such wonderful people.,Whatever nationality,religion people are not all the same like our fingers

Thank you for behaving like a human and seing everything with that aspects.

Thanks to you and family, along with the driver.

Regards

Don't Say Peace Be Upon Him (God) because the One God is giving Peace to the all world. He is only Donor, not receiver.

Thanks

we also have 2 egyptians here in our company... the day is not complete without shouting... well, we cannot blame other people in generalizing the whole egyptian people. its the impression that mades LASTS!

Too stupid to start speak about all the egyptians badly because of one sick and stupid egyptian women ! and you all know there are many cases like that from other stupid people none egyptians!

if there are one nation or country which 100% pure kind and good people please tell me ???

PROUD TO BE EGYPTIAN

Their is so much racism here in the middle eastern countres. I've been all over the world and noticed its pretty bad here. Not only have I've seen it, but I've been a part of it. I dont tolerate it at all. I've even encountered a fight with two locals and won and didnt even get arrested because it was all caught on film. Man I like to whoop peoples a** once they get out of line.

Not just Egyptians that treat em like shyt...

“You will find that silence or very gentle words are the most exquisite revenge for insult.”

am just wondering how people dare to insult and generelize ,,just coz of some accidents

plus do u know how the population of Egypt??

we are OVER 80 million persons over the earth

is it logical to judge that the 80 million persons are

evil mean bla bla bla ?????

am not defending ,,No NEED.

AM EgYPTAIN AND PROUD

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feeling bad for the lady :((

Weakup all, we have sick pepole but the most is NOT sick. take care all of your words. and stop attack Egyptians. All nationalities have sick pepoles.

yup, lots of folks have a high percentile of dissappointment with some egyptians pigs.

Thanks :)

You have a very good point there ingeniero

Good old joe, what money boss?? few thousand rayals?? money means the money with Maxicon, bill gates, this is what i call money, licking shoes of arabs just for the sake of few thousands is not money my dear, how they are earning, what is exactly the income sources? pretend like we all don't know

You are so right LP, missed you so much, where were u? Azalana, two years old, but still situation is same, no change in them.. so discuss it again and again, let them feel the hatard from all of us, 

Yes, and nothing has changed since then!!

 just an FYI

Yes ingeniero -    and to think of that some of this maids have been to school, are graduates and even teachers but just to make a better living they come to this places to work and not to be abused and end up with employers or sponsors who dont even know to read and write but just because they have the money they think they have the power 

One BIG question, why qatar government is issuing maid visas to them?the most ignorant and illitrate people on earth :(lack of manners, not cultured, stupid, unhuman nature, lairs if by thousands of years preaching/teaching they didn't became good, then they can never be.. 

My question is what are the authorities doing about this issues. It reflects badly on the country to see the poor, helpless and the less priveleged workers abused, beaten and treated this way and often  it is not by the locals but by other nationalities. There may be so many more cases of this type of workers but somehow they are to afraid to flee not knowing what trouble or problems they might get into and some of them put up with it till they can finally get their tickets and go away.

i experienced the same in Gharaffa and those two girls were from Indonisa One was crying and other was little Bold..... i was working in that area on site...suddenly saw both walking and crying, i took her with me at to there embassy. its really heart breaking. maids are also humans. those people are so cruel, they dont have a heart...  

Hope the authorities  catch this guy and lock him up for a few weeks if at all and that they never allow this idiot to have another maid again. He or his wife can do the housework just like they were doing it back home in Egypt. 

this has nothing to do with nationality or religion... this kind of abuse happens all over the world... documented or not... still no human has the right to hurt or even bad mouth another human... we all grew up differently... the community or the family that we grew with will definitely have a an effect as to how we treat other... not because you are the master of the house means that you are the master of my body and soul... to the person that helped our kababayan... thank you so much and to the assailant you know who you are... and even though you got away with what you did you will neven be able to hide from the eyes of THE ONE ABOVE US ALL...

The laws of the place be it here or elsewhere in the gulf gives rise to all this miseries for this helpless workers. The sponsors think that they have bought the maid as a slave and can do what they want.  The local goverment be it in Qatar or elsewhere in the gulf  treats this sponsors, be it Egyptians or others in a decent and respectable manner  then what is it that makes this sponsors be so inhumane and cruel to the less unfortunate. The goverment should have effective, severe and deterrent  punishment for this sponsors (Egyptians or others) so that this idiots dont spoil the good name and reputation of Qatar or the other countries where they come from

i don't encourage racism! but no buddy is above the law in Qatar, specially when they are not natives!in this kinda case an Ethiopian girl has left the country with 40000Qr by law.just because she asked me a ride to the nearest police station, and said thanks after i dropped her. and told me her story after she gets her rights! she said she was having three times daily meal for about twenty days in prison and she had no harm!but her sponsors kept her a month in a room with no AC and two days with no food so the problem is not because her sponsors being Egyptian! its be cause no buddy told her what to do and where to go.shits happen every were, so people stop complaining about a person who hurt u just because u couldn't defend u r self right!!!

sad to know that story.. :-(

but let's not stereotype...there are bad people and good people everywhere.

thank u so much for helping our kabayan.you will be blessed, and lets just pray that this inhumane treatments will be stop as soon as possible..i wish that there is a law against that people who treats other human being such cruel as that.yes i also heard that egyptians,most of them has a very bad attitude,..anyway what goes around comes around..

As much as possible I don't want to generalize the Egyptians...Honestly, I have a very bad experience with an egyptian. He even used the Holy Koran just to convince my Qatari boss that he is the one telling the truth. But you know, Qataris are also aware of their attitude. My boss never believed him. Conservatively, 2 out of 10 are good. Of the two, one is really good. The other one is only good in front of you, and without knowing he is already back stabbing you...

I HAVE STAFF UNDER MY COMPANY SPONSORSHIP ,SOME OF THEM ALWAYS MAKING PROBLEM AND THEY ARE NOT HONEST,

I SAID ONLY 70% OF THEM NOT ALL.

YOU MIGHT FIND FEW OF THEM HONEST.

REG.

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_I'am perfectly Imperfect....

egyptians are good man especially hehehehe

Ooooopppps..thats tongue twisting

may god curse that vile heads of family, until all of their joy and happiness runs dry, until this lady forgives them whole heartedly.

cruck sancti patri benedicti

cruck sacra sitme helux

nun drago sitme hedux

vade retro satana nun guam

suape mehivana

sunt malaque e livas

ipse venana

vivas pax.

We couldn blame any country or any people... We should make the reputed person to take action against this type of cruel creatures....

i know you have no intention of hurting egyptians

but some ppl here used ur story thinking they are good ppl to show their hate to them

THANK YOU :D

Dear All,

While writing about the incident I had no intention of hurting Egyptians or any other race..In fact I shouldnt have described the nationality..but i was so pained by the plight of that poor girl that i just wrote everything that she told..

anyway, lets not criticize anybody..but try doing our best to help the needy irrespective of race or religion as we are human beings first...

I'm very sad to hear about that happening to a kabayan. There should be justice here in Doha! In Qatar! Cruelty should not be tolerated. Any nationality deserves to be treated fairly regardless of their occupation or status in life.

i love pinos , in Mumbai so many of them now but believe me they are nice people specially hehehehheheheheh

its not about the arabs...it has nothing to do with that!!!

BLESS THEIR SOULS!!!

THEY ALWAYS MISBEHAVE>>>

I DONT KNOW WHY THIS PEOPLE WORK HERE>>>CONSIDERIng THey left their brains back in egypt!!! THEY KNW NOTHING EXCEPT EVIL DEEDS!!!

QATAR WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT THEM!!!

You have done a good job .It is a sad story.

When some people get few Reyals they think they have everything and they become arrogant and criminals.

because of one Egyptian family now Egyptians are bad

sadly some ppl here are trying to make Arabs and Qataris look bad. they only post and write about how bad are the Arabs.

and when westerns do something wrong or bad we dont hear ppl talking about it at QL.

if this is true... all i can say is 'poor she'

~noms~

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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein

not a new story to me,i really believe about this 100 percent because this people are very much vulnearable to anykind of abuse,hope people will treat them as human too.

not all egytptians are a...h.le.. but certainly alot of them.... lets not talk religion here.. its all about the culture of some.. egyptians mostly loves arguments.. wont accept that he is wrong even if he is 100000000% confirmed wrong.. they think they are better than everybody here on the arabian peninsula..when in fact.., they are not in the arab world.. they are already part of africa.. being a filipino, i pity to my kabayan who was beaten up.. and for the egyptian, may GOD bless you..

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life is not a destination, it always had been & always will be a journey.....

خليها تاكليك يا ساميه

Now most of you forget the story of the poor girl & start to attack Egypt & Egyptians, shame on you

Happy Happy said "...most of those who replied left the real issue, and showed their hatred, racism and jealousy, I think they're profoundly repressed and suppressed for many obvious reasons.... I feel sorry for them and for the abused girl, if this story is true."

Yes, IF the story is true. What's the other side of the story? Some people are quick to jump to conclusions where the scenario suits their hobby horse.

There are a few instances in other countries where the maids actually cause a lot of trouble for their employers. Some employers are, of course, really emotionally skewered and mental but no one would know unless they were there as witnesses. Otherwise, the rest is mere conjecture.

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Beauty lies in the eyes of the beerholder

Hmmmmm......

"Don't judge the book to its cover"

No one's perfect isn't.....

thanks for helping.. as what the other told, this is not in a nationality but this shows how the parents made their children grew. very bad..

there must be a root cause why d egyptians r stereotyped as mean people..

Its not about EGYPTIANS or any OTHER NATIONALITY, its all about the culture and principles

more about how they were tought to trat people

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lucky to have a big heart to help people in need.....god bless

FAKE . . .

Meron talagang mga taong walang konsensiya,

korak,

salute in what have you done.....

THANK YOU......

PHILIPPINE COMMUNITY

Welcome to 21st Century slavery, people! Not mentioning nationalities at all, I'd like to say that Qatar is spoiling expatriates here. They get high salaries, quality living, great cars, cheap stuff...and cheap labor to slave for them at their homes. They beat, insult, force them to do many different things for only 700-800QR! I am shocked as to how some people who can leave in a big villas in compounds force little women to wash their cars, clean their villas several times in a day!!! and not give them day offs! Those ppl feel like kings and queens here! Screw them big times!

i heard a lot of stories of the same kind involving egyptian lady employer,

we must warn you kabayans, if you knew that your employer to be is egyptian, have a second thought. no need to generalized them but you have to take it seriously because your safety must be your first concern.

if you refuse to be their maid maybe they will wake up and make up their mind for what they have done.if there is no maid being hired by them, they might think of their own attitude. we must give emphasized otherwise they will just ignore it.

our embassy should ban the employer from hiring filipina maid. all race of people who has the highest rate of maltreating the houshelper must be ban from hiring filipinas.

they must undergone behaviour training. humane act training before they can hire. otherwise hire their own people.

to the one who rescue and help our kabayan, may our God grant you peace and have a good heart always...thanks

why are focusing on the nationality issue here. in everywhere there is good and bad. i have lots of story to tell about maltreatment of employers to their housemaids. not only to filipino maids but also to indonesian and ethiopian. employers vary from locals to other nationalities.

for the poor girl, i hope that the embassy/polo will help her. i hope that she will not be forced to go back to the employer or to the agency just to be threatened that she will pay all her moving-in expenses and ticket going home.

and for you najmijpr, more power!

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silent "G"

Welcome on board Egyptians. YOu have also been recognised by the esteemed members of QL to have a go at.

This has turned into a Egyptian Bashing thread!

A little bit of e-bashing is not detrimental to your health!

Please stop the Egyptian bashing in fairness to other Egyptians who have good hearts. We all know that being bad in treating others is certainly not the monopoly of the Egyptian people.

As a rule, it is always correct to say MANY or SOME. But to generalize and say ALL, is always and absolutely WRONG.

"Drops of rain do not make the whole ocean dirty!"

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When in Rome do as the Romans do!!!

God will bless u for the good thing u done.

DON'T LET FANTASY ROB YOU OF YOUR REAL LIFE BEAUTY

Anyways that’s the truth about the Philippine Embassy.

Many women are there without a proper mattress or bed lying in the ground in this winter. The officers will come and rape them as much as they want, they use some good-looking woman for even two three years without sending them home. The modern jahilliya is inside that Embassy. Some of them stay without food for many days. Once my wife's friends gave some food to give those poor girls inside the Embassy through the Security Guards, on the next visit they came to know that no food was given to them.

we know that now adays their is a conflict because of football match between algeria & egypt..congratulation to algerian for the qualifying to world cup..wish you all the best..& obiviosly most of the egyptian are very rude but it dosent mean that all are of same nature.. 5 fingers are not equal dear.. so dnt blmae all. plzzz

"War is not fought to determin who is right, only who is left".

it happens now adays.. i heard that now adays their are numbers of maids in qatar who are been raped by those for whom they work..where is law?? where is human rights.. cant see any where in qatar..

"War is not fought to determin who is right, only who is left".

Blessed you and your family...

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Go to egyptian Room or house. you will see them lifestyle,,,, how much different out side and inside. 99.99% you will findout,,,,, what are they.

I want to know how many servents will be there in their home country??!!

Majority of the housemade's situation is same, but very few cruality only comes out. These kinds of mistreatment is too much in Qatari families. But no one will be punished. But very few housemades are very lucky as well as they got good treatment from good humans. Bad people are all over the world not only in Qatar

just a nice story to be ruin, would be better keeping it nice.

and btw, it'll always be a good news knowing people cares.

^_^ kudos, mate your a gem of a kind, a lotta gems but your one of a kind.

njmijpr (i hope i got your name correctly, forgive me if i failed), i thank you very much for your commendable act of mercy. regardless of her nationality i know you will extend your helping hand to anyone whom you will see needing help. God bless you more.

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Rizy, I am interested with your comment. Will you please elaborate? I would hate to bring somebody in that embassy, with all intentions of helping, if they will just be exploited

...listen to the sound of silence....

I bear witness that The most Unjust and Harami Embassy in Qatar is Philipine Embassy, If you can get a higher authority permission to go break in to the Embassy of Philipines, I will be the first person to come and help you and stand beside you.

I Personally Know a lot of mis behaviours inside this Philipine Embassy... May Allah Bring His Curse to those who Take advantage of these innocent people...

And I would like to remind you all the story of a Woman who tied and let a cat died out of hunger will be in The Hell fire...

And a Prostitute who offered a little water for a dying dog will be rewarded paradise on the DAY OF JUDGEMENT...

Think for a little while All mighty is watching all our deeds, we can't move away without answering for all our actions...

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bites the dust

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egyptian are not bad at all, believe me

Thank you for helping her my friend. I hope the people in the Philippine Embassy can do something about her case.

najmijpr, you have a good heart. I hope filipinos here in doha will have the same concern for each people who are in need like the Filipino girl you helped.

Some people are very critical on how they judge people based on nationality, for example egyptians...Okay..lets just accept the fact that some of them are rude. but this kind of bad treatment almost happens anywhere, even in the philippines. from filipino employers.

Instead of pointing fingers to other nationalities or people who are mistreating other people, lets just make sure that we ourselves are not causing harm or mistreating other people in anyway.

Let us be one of the few people who will respect human rights no matter where we are.

I think proper actions should be given to those people doing bad to others.

thanks God theré's no Egyptian beside me right now or else...lol!

Seriously, have only one question how did they know the bamboo stick used beating her...perhaps not only bamboo stick.

Sooooooterrified, are they still human? if its true...

god bless u.

.... we're back to harping on one nationality again.

A few bad ones don't make up the entire population so why generalize it?

This poor woman could have been working for any nationality.... Im American (married to an Egyptian) and worked in south africa for 4 years... in south africa, some of the friends I had with their own south african maids were absolutely dispicable!!! Really terrible to them!

I hear the same of others nationalities here.... basically, a lot of people simply decide to treat those that provide a service to us (paid or not) like crap... like they are well beneath us.

Someone mentioned Kharma.... absolutely!!! what you put out there comes back.... Its unfortunate if one person experiences a 'bad egyptian' that you'll lose out on friendship with 'good ones'.... the same with a qatari or indian or german.

I wish the best for that poor woman... the employers should be beat upside the head! Idiots!

Brin

Actually, in Doha...some Egyptians are really rude but there are some that are nice...I think, when they commit mistake, it's their first way of defence mechanism....even if they're wrong....thru experience....

" Tomorrow is not just another day, it's another chance..."

those ppl are very bad trust me .

ohhh

realy i feel sadness for this

Every person has his/her own attitude! Bless are those good ones and change others that are not!!!

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

i agree with your opinion hu wan.

Obviously, you have a shallow racist mind, or else this won't be your earliest comments:

Hu Wan said The Phil. govt. should ban ...

sending filipino women to work as domestics here in the MidEast! How many of our women have suffered much, not only from egyptians, but from nationals of the countries they serve in. Here's the the list of countries the most number of abuse our women get: Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar.

Tell me, what do these countries have in common?

Followed by this:

Hu Wan said Natur, they are all working in an Islamic country ...

which purports to have a law and religion so intertwined you won't distinguished one from the other. These countries I have listed have the highest record is abuses according to the statistics, like Jordan which is top on the list.

But there may be more which are undocumented because the govt. simply dismiss, or sweeps it under. How many cases of rape have we read and heard over the news back home. It makes our hearts bleed because each one of them belongs to us. She may be our mother, aunt, or sister. Pisses me much hearing their sad stories. What have they done to deserve such a fate? It's my personal advocacy to discourage any filipina to work in the MidEast as a domestic helper. These places don't deserve the loving and caring that our people are known for.

Let them hire their own kind and do whatever they like for all we care!!!

Where is the friendly open minded share of opinions in your comments? You generalized and pre-judged people according to thier Religion and Race by listing Arabic Muslim countries and asking what they have in common, followed by your own answer that they are all Islamic Countries. So it is like you are missleading the non muslim people by telling that Muslims are abusers and rapers.

I actually feel pity for you more than the maid herself. I know nothing about her and what she has done, and so i won't prejudge or feel pity unless I listen to both parties and make sure of what exactly happened. All I know is that she was crying in the street and told her own story to the one who picked her up from the street. I don't know if she was caught by the mother while xxxking the little 8 years old boy or playing his thing. Or if she was caught with the indian driver in her room, or if she was caught stepping on a baby face and hitting him because he keeps crying.

It can be as simple as this, she was caught with 3 indian drivers in her room. So the owner of the house grapped her hair and kicked her out and while calling the Police to come and get the drivers and maid, she escaped. Naturally, she won't tell the one who helped her that she was caught with 3 drivers.

I hear lots of stories like that and even worse. I hear it from people. I read it in newspapers and other media sometimes, and i persronally witnessed such actions. Last incident was infront of Sana shop in Ras Abu Aboud. I saw 3 little kids(maybe qataris because of what they dress) and they were playing with the maid.One has touched her butt and she was like ahh bad boy..and then she get in the car and send him a kiss with her hand. The boys were not more than 9 years old. Another story was a maid who cut my sister's braclett with i dont know what and stole it! My sister was only 4 yrs old!! and my mother did not even try to abuse her because this is not our nature. She suspected her and she searched all her room, but the maid keeps crying that she is not like that with those pity tears. At the end, my mother asked my father to leave the room and searched her body. Guess where she found the bracelet. She found it crumbled and hidden in the maid's bra! I witnessed that in my house when i was 7 and still remember that. Simply my mother deported her back home the second day in the early morning. She did not touch hit her or anything like that. She did not report that to the police, although in my opinion she should had done that and it will end the maid in jail for couple of months followed by deporting her back home. So many other stories of what maids do..

By the way, what does abuse mean for you? torturing the maid physically? or shouting at her and deporting her like what my mother did to that maid?

Naturally, I will feel pity for any woman crying even without knowing her reason or story, but I will never prejudge people acording to thier RELIGION or/and RACE just because i see the woman crying. Once I hear from both parties, then i will conclude who is worth it to feel pity for and help. This is not only my opinion, but it is the fair law in any country.

I actually feel pity for someone like you who indirectly prejudge humans according to thier religion and race because of either the shallow mind that you have by following some missleading media and press instead of following your ownself and mind, or it is just the envey and hate that you have deep inside you on Islam. The point of the thread was not religion or race(nationality), but from your first comment,you listed coutries by name and religion (Islam) as if this is what the thread is all about. This is what I call envey pathatic and blind people.

I feel sorry for the maid if she was innocent and abused for nothing.

Simply don't send your mama and sister here or just go home before some people from those countries that you have listed will abuse you and rape you tonight. You better hurry up and go home before you loose your virginity(although i have doubts on that) because most of the people here are muslims..

Guys, sorry for the last paragraph but this is the only way I can speak to this person to reach his pity mind.

only and have nothing in real life, from childhood to marrage,,,

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

In general, its the culture that they are brought up with. Some ended up ignorant and thinks superficially up to the stage of losing their manners equivalent to a dog. No brain hah

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Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

miss NOHASHAKIB. why ur so frustrated? i said i respect all people and have no problems with egyptians but i was pointing to THE BAD ONES and for sure I MEANT YOU :P Learn english honney.

This is a lesson for some who slip thier tongue and then correct it in pity way:)

Go to the labour court...they will do justice inshallah.

You make me smile early this morning when i read your comment:)

actually I said also some Lebanese were so bad, and this didnt make me judge them, so plz save your advices for one who cares, and confront those BAD Egyptians, screaming, shouting and yieling is the women's work not the men... righ

N.F SHAKIB

a few years ago, the same thing happened to a filipina maid, same problem they drop the girl in the embassy and the embassy contacted the agency of the gurl,the agency then contacted her employer. To sum it up, the filipina goes back home without anything even a single dirhams only a bruised body and soul :(

if that is the case there will always be a better way to settle it not result into physical abuse...

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-= This is absurd. This is absurd =-

filipina kadama's are mostly afraid of wrongdoings especially that allegation....

"BRING IT ON DUDE!!!"

Surely the housewife very cruel and rude to this Phillipino girl...but we sometime heard that some Phillipino maids quietly fishing the husband with her "you can see" dress that makes the spouse crazy... we have too look from different angle though..

“The fool speaks, the wise man listens”

Algerian just a little bit above Egyptian because they come from the same continent...:-))

“The fool speaks, the wise man listens”

And I am really grateful for all families of all nationalities who treats their kadama's as member of their families.

And for those who do not.... burn in hell!!!@#$%^&*())

"BRING IT ON DUDE!!!"

i strongly agree with you... MORE POWERFUL THE LAW OF GOD!

good morning peeps!

A big percentage of the Saudi people treat the maids badly but I do not know why judge me too.

On which basis you say Muslim woman has no rights.

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

For your info Noha i have lot of egyptian friends that i really like but themselves they say that the majority of u are bad and i can make u hear this from them direct. thanks god i dont know u.u should see a shrink.u say somethin and u do the opposite. Respect urself :) if u know wat respect is. in all my statements i said SOME and i mention only the BAD..but what is my fault if you feel that all of u r bad?! cant help u :) call a shrink.

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

I said to all BAD egyptians...not all egyptians! but i understand u honney. u look to the mirror and u feel sorry for urself. U never judge people? ur kiddin right? u just said am a liar for tellin a true story..u got the link at the end and yeah i was frustrated from the egyptian sheikh that u r defendin in the other post and its my right to get mad so yeah am mr. religious! but the qustion is who r u ? :P i ll tell u 1 day ...

that sarcasm is cute!

They are egyptions!!! nothing new, not all the egyptions are bad, only 99.999999999% plz dont judge all

Philipino Girl is very good & beautifull

Don't judge every single Egyptian people are bad.... As i know, everybody has a different characters and atmosphere where they grew up. For me that is from how they grow from their environment and how the parents treat them. So guys, don't judge all Egyptian. I knew quite a number of person from Egypt and in fact they are very nice and very humble.

Egyption is very good and beautifull.

I have seen so much maid abuse in Saudi... life is real. saudi women treat there maids like Sh*t.. check the stats. yo proberly treat them the same

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

I am replying to Jackfrost

Khalid I suggest you read the thread cause that prejudiced little spiel you just wrote has nothing to do with the thread.

Khalid I suggest you read the thread cause that prejudiced little spiel you just wrote has nothing to do with the thread.

Ok dear, sorry and thanks for the clarification...:) I almost fell off my chair when I heard this term, in shock.

friends now?

Salam

Do you want them to be as same as some of those in west countries standing in the street selling them selves?

What rights you want to give them?

Before speaking go and read the rights that Islam gave to the Muslim women.

Be honest and look at the reality.

Islam tells the man to be loyal to his wife and some western people say no let the man go and f**k and do what ever he wants.

The Muslim women rights is something bigger than this thread.

its kinda funny, the towers look like my hand when i'm holding up the middle finger right against you. You know what i'm saying?

"raghead Big Granna" hooooooo....lmao

"Masters"??? this is a very degrading term! no one works FOR anybody! people work TOGETHER!! it's just different responsibilities and roles for each.

Salam

PuLover, in agreement 100%, well said. (I should add to my pervious post there should not be any psychological abuse either) .

Fareena, you're not a hopeless dreamer, you aspire peace.

Salam

I am may be a hopeless dreamer, a hopeless hopeful for world peace. But i will remain hoping for world unity and peace.

peace everyone!

agree,

when i want to say also that if an egyptian is bad , doesnt mean that all egyptians are the same,

also if one Qatari is good (for example), doesnt mean that there is no bad Qatari person.

True, some house helpers are nasty, lewd, crooks, thieves and more, but there is no justification for physical tormenting. Not acceptable, barbaric, sick and sadistic..

I hope you agree with me.

Salam

some maids also are very very bad,

its a personal case and cannot be circulated to all people

NEYO 1985

poor boy you cant put a thread without placing asses and curses, this just shows how knowledgfull you are, and full of everything specially asses..

and Yes I dont understand YOUR english so better be clear away from any ass..

BIG PAPA ... hahahahah LoL

N.F SHAKIB

physically abuse..... miskin..

remember the indonesian maid kill her egyptian employer publish in gulf times last year.

Please let's not generalize and start up with double standards.

For God's sake people this is a problem afflicting the whole region and other parts of the world as well. Wherever there is low cost labour. This is not just an Egyptian, Qatari, Saudi problem.

What did you just call me? 'war criminal' what's that about? you got any ideas? OHH YEAH!!! so you know everthing huh? lol

i got your problem Big lady, it seems to me that 'you don't understand ENGLISH' you don't even know how to communicate??? do you?

before i go for the history, you would better learn some language lessons, you know i'm saying? you gotta do it!

"absolutely the most ignorant nation ever" ??? 'WHO???'

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, right. Whatever you say, Big lady.you got a smart-ass mouth! priceless!!!

Don't let anybody called you 'racist' because you sounds like that

be kool.......it's time to chill out

Salam

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

interesting speech from a person ... i am sorry who ?

you are the muslim women hero that came to rescue them all...

I appreciate when any one of you speak on behalf of any case to be a part of which means you dont speak on behalf of the muslim women unless either you are a woman or a muslim ... are you any of these.??

N.F SHAKIB

I will never give Amal a chance to unleash her rage towards me... smiles... i always know how to reverse her hot-tempered moments. i just look into her eyes and says... "shut down Nifirtiti" and we start laughing!

Always spice up your life with lighter moments.. anytime.

cheerio Happy Happy!

and what are you neyo1985??

why are you even at war ..??

I will tell you are war criminals.

absolutely the most ignorant nation ever, go read first before speakin mr G.I Joe

N.F SHAKIB

The muslim women have no rights. they are treated bad as child, then marry ans treated bad, so when they get a maid, they can controll them, as i said it happens all the time in Saudi.

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

thank you very much indeed najmi.

inteligent person hahahah...LOL

Egyptians are some kind of war junkie!

You don't seem or sound like a racist, racists know themselves. When "Amal" starts "raging", you should rage back at her, then dump her...lol, very bad advice?

Salam

I am not a racist and has no personal ill-feelings about the people of Tutan Kamen. My friend Amal is still a lovely Egyptian, never seen her raging, (yet... LOL) but seriously, i have heard so much how Egyptians erupt. May this post serves as an awakening to reverse the outlook towards the people of Nifirtiti.

EAGLE TO ****HEAVEN

I admire your rage from Egyptians coz it means they did you something really bad...ouch why dont you tell us the story mr. religious, or why dont you better preach at mosquees better than sitting at front of the PC to curse people if saw you will tear you apart for what you said.

I had the worst experiences with various nationalities people just like you, with the same damn attitude, not only egyptian, but mainly Lebanese.

But I never Judged them and said Lebanese are bad, coz judging a whole country with a minor's attitude is ignorance with its wide meanings.

N.F SHAKIB

two things I would never get my whole life, why humans entertain by hurting and abusing each others even by words, and why we all act as experts most of times?

All people here who called names to Egypt and Egyptians wouldn't dare to face an egyptian with a single word of what they said here, you know why?

because of the same reason they all mentioned, they are cruel, aggressive ... etc.

you all got it now, why they are acting the way they do?

begin with love and trust to anyone, and 99% he will return this to you even better and shiner.

N.F SHAKIB

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

TO ALL BAD EGYPTIANS. HARAM WHAT U DO TO PEOPLE. IF U R REAL MUSLIMS U SHOULD NEVER DO THIS TO PEOPLE. BUT ISLAM RELIGION FOR EGYPTIANS IS NOTHIN BUT A BUSINESS WITH GOD ... BUT GOD IS AWARE OF EVERYTHIN EVEN IF U ACT AND PRAY AND ALL THAT ...

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

Samia ur 99% right! but not all ur fingers are the same.

Egyptian people, the majority are bad people. To be fair, the ones who live in Qatar because i ve never been there in Egypt. LET THEM BURN IN HELL. This is a shame. How they treat that poor philipina. I would like to see them kicked out from here or jailed. I wish someone will treat them like this or their children so they ll feel the hurt they caused to that girl. AM GETTING MAD. GIVE ME THEIR ADRESSS.. F*CKIN ASSH*LES.

.........you must admit that most egyptians couldnt control their temper and results to shouting... i always see this everyday, thats why it became a habit for us to look first which nationality a client belongs so we can adjust our tempers to the highest level... forgive me for voicing this out

...listen to the sound of silence....

....ggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrr

...listen to the sound of silence....

bless your kind heart a thousandfold for the kind assistance.

this is the beauty of blogging sites. we learn to understand profoundly human behavior and individual differences by observing and reading posts where in the end made us draw several conclusions about issues and human behavior in itself. only by digging deeper into the issues, we learn to understand thereby avoiding premature conclusions.

we have to both look at the sides of the coin. why was the maid treated such badly? why was the master acted to horribly? stereotyping can never improve the chaotic workld we deal in, thus simply compounding the strength of the bomb called racisim.

Check the new accounts on this thread, you'd find new IDs signed up for slashing and bashing, just for the fun of it, and to flare it all up.

Thanks for your kind words...:)

Salam

Now i wonder what help the embassy was able to hand over. Just sending her home back in the Philly i guess- i think that's how it works for our hardworking maids. so sad.

I have a very good Egyptian friend. Can't judge them in general. In any nation there will be bad and good. Let us be cautious always with the people we meet.

There are racists all over the world, as you can see on this thread, most of those who replied left the real issue, and showed their hatred, racism and jealousy, I think they're profoundly repressed and suppressed for many obvious reasons.

For the other few balanced voices, I admire your wisdom and effort to analyze the root cause instead of yapping like the rest.

Let them vent here, I feel sorry for them and for the abused girl, if this story is true.

Salam

taking this whole matter practically is a phase, and placing curses and the worst words ever on a certain nationality coz anyone of you have a PERSONAL experience with it is another issue, so let's take it step by step.

Western families that maids PREFERE to go to .. those countries have the HIGHST raping, abuse and crime percentage all along with the US, its not me saying its the official counts, and if you dont have any knowledge of that you can watch Hollywood movies, especially the real stories ones based on crimes.

Arab countries have much safer environment, AND MOSTLY IMPORTANT more money that's why western families come here or else why they do, they could stay still at thier home COUNTRY.

to all those members who used words like bastards and bad ... etc. i never ever felt hatred like this thread, what's happening exactly, why didnt anyone of you asked a logic question, what did this maid do to deserve that?

for your info I knew families who thier flipino maid sexually abused thier kids, so why dont every one of you put himself in this lady's shoes then let's see what he will do, doesnt mean its the right re-action to take, but NEVER blame the reaction, first ask what was the action, NO PERSON IS ABSOLUTELY BAD AND NO PERSON EVER IS ABSOLUTELY GOOD.

I will ask one question, Have anyone of you ever heard of an angel-like maid and although this her landlord abuses her, never, or may be rare cases when they have problems, always the maid is the poor side of the equation, although she could steal, break, ruin your kids, and after all that you are to be blamed, you are the monster, I am quit sure that major of participants on this thread are singles who dont know what means a home, kids and a real responsibility life means.

Anyhow let's return to our seconed issue, Egyptians are bad ... why coz they have loud voice? all mediterenians have, they fight, also those are features of most of Arabs, but Egyptians tend to win the fight, that's why they r bad, meeting one, two or even 20 egyptians in your whole life wouldnt place anyone of you to judge 80 million population country, you got the scale its 20:80000000 how much is that, do the calculation, as you are smart all of you.

And if everyone of you told me his nationality, I swear to god I will tell you forgery and abuse stories more that you can imagin.

we cant judge on each other absolute judgements coz that sucks, Plus no one here is qualified to do so, so Plz no raciest opinions, no religious openions, and no politics ... as at the end of the day we are all expats who left our countries for different reasons, but one aim.

N.F SHAKIB

showaffairs. I was thinking the same as you before. I thought that there is no single egyptian who can be trusted. Simply, because i never met any who you can rely on as trusted friend, but guess what? My sister got married to an Egyptian. When I knew that there is an egyptian who asked for her hand, my first reaction was hell no! did u loose your mind?! Egyptian? I have never met a good egyptian and you know it well! please think it all over again. My family asked about him and sent people who we know in Egypt to ask about him and everybody has said good things about him. My parents asked my sister and she accepted him. She knew him before. He was a regular client on thier workplace and seems like they liked each other. He simply asked her for my family home number and called the house. If he was bad, he would not have marriage intention and would rather prefered to play around.

They are married for 3 years now and they are one of the happiest couple i have ever seen. I found him polite, respected with an open mind and well educated. Never said a bad thing and always good to others. She is lucky.

You know that Egyptian population is more than 80 million, so you can expect to meet lots of bad untrused people from Egypt. Lets say half of them are bad. This means 40 million and lots of them are working abroad, but if we look at qatar population, we will find that Qataris are not more than lets say 300 000 citizen. Half of this is 150 000. Out of the 150 000, you might find only 10 000 living abroad or visiting other countries such as Thailand for example. You might find 9900 of those visiting Thailand are very bad people with very bad intentions. Will this make you prejudge Qataris and tell all Qataris are bad?

Egyptians are damm bad peoples.. they dont have the sense at all.. but also they act as they know evry thing..tahy dont know how to care abt the humanity. . in my day to day life i come across soo many egyptians .. all are very bad. they are looking how to cheat people. one man, who is working with me took money from me and with out telling me he left to his country..any how i got the money from his uncle.. after he reaching here in doha he came to me and told me that he forgot to give money..wat an excuse.. again he asked me for som mony i told to get lost..like dat.. dont ever trust EGYPTIANS..

By the way, I have a simple question. I have not been in the Philippines yet, but i am planning to visit Philippines and some other neighbouring countries. Is Philippines free from misstreating women and abuses?

I have many filipino friends and I heared good and bad things about it. Some has told me that citizens themself are very careful and afraid of thier belongings when they use public transportation. About drunk people at nights all over the city. About gangs kidnapping women and beating them up for some reason (revenge or whatever), about Kulam...etc. About men cheating thier women all the time and so on.

Also, I heard good things like the beautiful landscape. The open minded educated and friendly people and so on.

I have friends who were living here and they moved to Canada or Australia or any other Western country. They are filipina as well. Know what they said? They said it is not safe at all there for women, especially at nights.

What najmipr mentioned could be true and yes you guys hear stories about rapes and abuses in the middle east, but I bet on that they are not as much as in other countries including Philippines itself.Its just that there are over one million made from the Philippines in the middle east and so you will naturally hear about stories like that.

Have you ever heard about what dirty and very bad things some maids were doing to the children and they were caught. Me myself have seen this very dirty and disgusting behaviour of one maid to (I think a Qatari) kid infront of Sana shop months ago. Should I come here and post a thread about it and many other stories we hear in media about what maids are doing here?

Now please, don't generalize and pre-judge people according to thier race, or religion, or nationality. By the way, I am not Egyptian:)

Tess 916. Great choice of words.

No doubt Philippine government should take some steps to minimize these kind of sad incidents. If not, atleast Phillipine embassy should take some bold actions.

"Think 100 times before you take a decision, But once that decision is taken, stand by it as one man" - Muhammad Ali Jinnah

What has they done to deserve such a fate? I will tell you what have they done. They went to those countries although they know how it is over there. As you have said, you hear lots of rape and abuse stories in those countries. Then why do you send your relatives there?

Religion has nothing to do with it. If this is how your mind is, then i feel pitty for it, because actually Islam respects women and give them all thier human rights. You can think whatever you want about Islam and i won't preach you because I don't see it worth it. I also have my own opinion about your religion.

Wifes in US are abused as well and everywhere else, so don't tell that abuses in Muslim countries are more than anywhere else. If its true, the reason is more of your people tend to work in the middle east. If there are 1 million maid in the middle east and 10 000 maid in europe, then most likely you will hear about more abuses in the middle east.

If you are a blind, don't follow the wind

I would never ever wish anyone to work for an Egytian. In their own country they drink throughout the day, their women shake like Shakira but when they leave their country they think they are holier than the holiest. I was in Sharm Al Sheikh last year during the holy month but it was like being in Cannes..........

Statistically shown that a lot of Egyptian employer very rude and cruel to their maid......stay away from them

“The fool speaks, the wise man listens”

The woman or any family do this they r not Muslims or they r far a way from Islam ,and never count that where they r from and there Nationality . but what it count is if they r far from God and Islam or not.

The family of the house, to improve the treatment of domestic servants, and respect the God in them, there is no difference at all between the server and Makhdoom to God Almighty, and we have in the Messenger of God (a good example was narrated from Anas - may Allah be pleased with him - said: "I served the Messenger of Allah (nine years told me what I do know cat: I have not done this or that, and nibble on anything at all.

But Happy Happy is for sure good Egybtian!

Edifis good Egybtian too.

i have a friend (from arab country) & she warned me off Masries, i asked why cause as to date, all Masries i know are good friends/colleagues?

regardless of nationality, there's a lot of bad everywhere.

...thanks for the correction... ^_^

Why me sick? I no want to be sick.

Salam

sad to say...egyptians known as the worst arab people!

Bad Bad Egybtian!

Re-read or have someone read my posts to you. I'd still have wished you've taken the girl to the police station, instead of taking her back to the original perpetrators, who will get her back to wherever she came from. I'm sure you meant well.

I'll have to thank you for getting out of your way on that day to help a stranger in need.

Salam

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

they eat hammos without brushin teeth!!!looool

Your responses are definitely making me think badly abt the Egyptians and thr culture..instead of feeling bad for the girl u r passing stupid comments..

We advised her to report it to the police but she was scared because that lady threatened her of putting blame of stealing things from her house..

najmi ur very kind

interligent person hahahah...LOL

prettymeesh, girl I agree with you that not all Egyptians are cruel as I have good egyptian friends too, but you don't have to add anything that makes you obviously sounds BIAS...Well, you are right these people are historically on top of the list among the early civilization..but what do you think about the stories on the bible - when they mistreated the Israelites...beat them, have them work 24/7 and even killed some...

THANK YOU FOR BEING A WONDERFUL PERSON

MAY YOUR TRIBES INCREASE

GOD BLESS YOU

rotten pig meat.......ha ha ha...........lol........ha ha ha.........help i'm dying........lmao

Najmijpr, As a Filipino citizen, I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the kindness you have shown to my poor fellow Kababayan (countrymen). I felt pity for them (Helpers). Being deprived of proper education in our country was the main the reason why many of them accepted low paying job and quite risky knowing that they have to work inside a house of a strangers much more to a foreign land. Unfortunately, this type of problem is recurring and will never stop from happening again not unless our Country will be able to stand from its' own feet enough to sustain its people so that Filipino ladies will be spared from being sent abroad to work as Helper/Maids. Only then, some of these foreign Bastard will come to realize how important these people are noting some of thier common lifestyle which shows their extreme laziness beyond you can imagine and not to mention many of them smells like a rotten pig meat.

Tell me what all the maids in the list of countries you listed have in common?

Astig, Please understand what you are going to post first...message not clear my fellow countrymen..Better say it in Tagalog...

THEY ARE VERY BAD THEY DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL MAY GOD HELP THAT LADY...AND SEND THOSE PEOPLE WHO DOESNT HAVE HEART FOR OTHERS....

egyptian who are really bad,bad m************s!am not saying all of 'em, i knew a few!

Why are some people so rude to other persons when they are also human beings just like them.

keep it up

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"Don't Dive with Me if you can't take the PRESSURE"

it's really not good to generalize egyptians as what is depicted in this forum as every nationality has its own rotten tomatoes.

my hat's off to you najmpir and your family for helping our distressed kabayan.

that's really sad... thanks for helping our kabayan... God bless you..

"there are so many rumors about me...feel free to believe in any of'em.."

I wan't to believe you Khalid but I don't want somebody to bash at me today..lol:)

Dear All,

With respect to all above comments, i would to point out the following:

1- This behavior has nothing to do with nationality neither religion.

2- When X nationality holder acts to take a bad action, we can generalize the case.

3- But on the other hand if each one of us sees him self as an ambassador to his country and religion as well, we will be good to each other.

without any doubts we are grateful for what you did to that poor girl.

regards,

You are very correct Tatess, employment agencies should track and monitor the workers that they sent abroad at all times to protect their welfare. Our employment agencies for me is the first culprit in this specific problem. If they just give a little more of effort, this would not often happen.

Anyway, like Nephi said, in behalf of the filipino community here in doha, thanks to a good hearted fellow like you, though we filipino's and indians such as yourself sometimes battle here in QL, we still have our unity in times of trouble.:):)

A boy went to a burber (hair dresser) to get his hair cut and the burber nade a bad cut, the egyptian mother saw the boy (her son) and became very angry, she told the boy go to the burber and tell him that he is invited for lunch, the burber became happy, when the burber reached the mother house, he was taken inside and tightened on a chair and the mother came and started beating him.

Really big portion of egyptian women are bad.

Labor law give chance for this kind of bad people to do that . . . where is human rights . . .

in behalf of the filipino community here in doha...thanks so much for helping our kabayan's...

may god bless you and your family..

Najmjpr, thanks much for the kindness..the one up above bless you of what you did...

Sadly, a lot of cases like that and I guess majority of the principals are egyptian...i'm just wondering why....These people when visiting to our country, we treat them with so much respect but they treat us badly, regardless of what the condition is, they are not suppose to do that...

Law of Karma will prevail at the end...

" Tomorrow is not just another day, it's another chance..."

I dont want to believe that nationality has anything to do with this type of cruelty or misbehave or manners but I have seen the same situation several times especially Egyptians.

I have noticed mostly egyptians are bad in conversation, manners and and far behind with etiquette. Always they are ready to fight. I dont mean 100% egyptian are like that but most of them are. Even I have seen Egyptian ladies are also having the same nature.

I have seen in Qatar 2 Egyptians families in my apartment whose husband was beating his wife very roughly and she was crying all the day. her weeping and crying sound could be listen easily from my flat. I was very disappointed with this type of cruelty but I could not do anything bcoz they were family and having young children.

it is so sad.

I agree with Don roberts statement... need to revise sponsorship law...

Sponsorship rule is one thing but animal behaviors of employers is another thing...even if there's no sponsorship problem here, things like this would still happen due to the unacceptable attitudes of some employers.

The core issue here is bad treatment of a maid by the Sponsor family not the nationality of parties involved, This kind of bad treatment is only because of the Sponsorship rules in this part of the world, which are no short than Slavery. .

Until these are changed the same will happen again and again, either be a flipina, an Eithopean, Indonesian or a Sri Lankan maid.

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"HE WHO DARES WINS"

Derek Edward Trotter

"beating wid bamboo stick".. where do they get a bamboo stick from, the jungle or the circus ?

Salam

Slavery is something and criminal act is something else. This sponsor is a sadistic criminal, IF this story is true.

Salam

Not all egyptians are bad, I agree, but I haven't encountered any good egyptian yet since the day I worked here in the middle east...

"egyptians are the oldest civilization in the world who teach the principles and GOOD MANNERS"

good manners? from where did you get that idea?

not all egyptians are bad..i am filipina and my husband is egyptian and he is the best guy in the world..its not about the nationality, its all about personality and how they was raised by their parents..and for your information the egyptians are the oldest civilization in the world who teach the principles and good manners..

I wish you'd taken the abused girl to the police station instead of driving her to the embassy, the latter is partner in crime, and a pivotal player in the miserable state many house helpers are inhumanly submerged in, in Qatar and elsewhere.

Salam

im so grateful to hear that you help that girl..may allah bless your kindness.

Not really anteeca, but they have double standards treatments for women..like animals if you like. Is that them that gives destruction to your country of lately.

ehem.. please leave religion out of it.. you are threading on dangerous water.

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Why do some arabic people always did this kind of penitence?? We're both human being, we're not like an animals to do this evil things, so sad for my countrymen for what had happened with her, i really don't know why they threatens this kind of animal people, is it because of insecurity??? especially in Religion, dont you??

oh how sad... i think there's a lot of stories like that here... soooooo sad.

anywayz, najmi ur so kind to do that for her...hope more people like u :)

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feeling bad for the lady...

Stone Cold, have you ever been have personal expereince with TALIBAN? I heard before 3 years that 2 western Females Journalist embrassed islam because of Taliban......? Now.....TALIBAN...

Proud To Be A PAKISTANI

.~*AnteecA*~.

Let those family people to be in jail.

Egyptian cruel,mean,basturd,all quality in one place.

They are learning fast from the Taliban ways

I agree with Anteeca. Its not about nationality, its a culture in 2nd richest country.

"Think 100 times before you take a decision, But once that decision is taken, stand by it as one man" - Muhammad Ali Jinnah

you are good samaritan, but egyptian no. 1 ha...

I believe in Karma, someday something like that will happen to their daughter. Who kills with the sword, dies with the sword

actually culture and nationality have a lot to do with it! In my vast experience of hiring nannies/housemaids..whatever..they much prefer to work for western families, I know, they all told me....now I wonder why that would be???

a very good samaritan indeed.

misries? you mean egyptians? its masr :)

some egyptians are nice though..

"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak."

Thank you Najimijpr & family for being kind hearted...

May Allah (p.b.u.h) continue to bless you....

thanks for helping her.

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

indeed, egyptian men are so cruel! i also had one experience with my previous company!

but we cant balme to only one nationality, in each country some bad and some good but everyone should give respects to others, i dont know why people misbehave with theis maids and servants and interesting part this that they live with them 24 Hours, 7 days week, 60 Days month and 365 days year,,,,,,

Proud To Be A PAKISTANI

.~*AnteecA*~.

i experienced the same. i was on the way to work and suddenly i saw a filipina walking and crying, i took her with me at work. she told me the same story, but her masters are qatari. then i took her to phil embassy.

its really heart breaking. maids are also humans. those people are so cruel, they dont have a heart

"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak."

I believed, if not today.. someday they will face the consequences of what they did. If not by the Law of People, for sure by the Law of God.

Some of them are bad , don't comment all egyptians are bad, but its very sad, should take strong action against such people.

si si anteeca .

those ppl are very bad trust me .

Its not about EGYPTIANS or any OTHER NATIONALITY, its all about the culture and principles....

Proud To Be A PAKISTANI

.~*AnteecA*~.

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egyptian are very very bad .....i wonder why