Why live if we are living to die?

A big thank you to yall for participating and sharing your thoughts on this forum (: Marco bless yall :P

You can, brit, but it requires lots of exercise.

britexpat: This is, without a doubt, the best comment (:

probably in the zoo

"You can close your eyes to things you don't want to see, but you can't close your heart to the things you don't want to feel."

We live to make the most of our life, help others, have fun, fall in love, make mistakes and learn from them, travel......the list goes on!!!

Don't know.. but he's been missing for 3 weeks and 1 day.. any idea?

where is baburao the monkey?

yeah.. probably here with a new id -- Old wine in new bottle (As he would say it :P)

CL...poor long missing babu...I hope he is well...where ever he is now....:/

Nomerci.. dont you miss BG? :(

OMG, are you all on about God yet again?

Why don't you all just go out there and enjoy what life has to offer instead. Geez.

I don't have any hatred feeling to anyone and i don't want to convince anyone with anything, and this has to do nothing with the religion, i just said my opinion.

PEACE :)

"..Osama: Why does God need to test us if He already knows everything about us?.."

Dear MN the problem is that if a person beleives in god and his qualities truly then he wont raise this question and if a person doesnt beleive in god he wont agree to any answer for this question.

It is like trying to teach a kid multiplication and division while he does not know how to do addition and substraction.

However, I found a nice response to yr question:

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Allaah does not admit people to Paradise or Hell simply because He knows that they deserve that, rather He will admit them to Paradise or Hell on the basis of the deeds that they actually did in this world.

If Allaah created mankind and put them in His Hell, they would soon argue that He did not test them or give them the chance to strive. Allaah wanted to refute this argument, so He created them in this world and gave them reason, and revealed His Books, and sent His Messengers; all of that is so that they will have no argument against Allaah on the Day of Resurrection.

UK.. Joker from Batman-The Dark Knight ... Right? :D

Yes Fathimah.. What doesn't kill you only makes your stronger!

Cos as of now,all of us on this thread, are prolly in agreement of one thing. That since we don't wanna kill ourselves, we'd rather make the most of our living..one way or the other!

CL: oh please, just not today o_O! omg I haven't done my hair or done shopping or anything!

MM, they are very low in Antarctica. You have to run a hundred miles to find a potential victim. It's hard to be a bad person there.

Ya, and look how low the murder rates are in Canada LP! :P

And i love Marco !! :P

ROFL.. Rizks.. Its just coz i miss BG a lot :(

And im not the one who mentioned the word God or Religion first in this thread... I agreed with osama's point and then got bombarded with questions and criticism .. so, i just shared a little knowledge that i have :)

MM, we are overpopulated? Canada is almost empty, and so is Australia. There are only about a thousand scientist on the continent (!) of Antarctica. Now, don't say, life isn't possible there. Because it is.

We're not arguing. We're just having a civilized discussion.

Those who think this post offend them are free to leave it.

Because our instincts tell us to UK. Just like every animal.

Tinks u can have my chADddi, instead of the JD !:)

LP, we're also overpopulated, which causes us to fight each other for resources.

Then why are we all fighting to Live if we gonna die anyway?

CL is doing baburao's role today ! :(

Anywayz, i agree with you CL and i agree to watever u have jus said above !

People argue (as usual) with the mention of RELIGION !

Come on guyz, grow up - u dont have to argue with the same thing all the time....if you dont like, move on....

Unfortunately, MM, humans have replaced the "natural" instructions with religious and philosophical ideas, and THAT's what makes people kill others!

MN.. Answer to your question:

NO IDEA !! :P

Even the animal is innocent, UK. It's in every single living cell, built-in: Eat, grow, and multiply. Do everything to ensure those three things, then you LIVE.

More importantly Uk, survival of the species! We're ingrained to do what's best for the survival of the human race, and that means not killing each other, not in-breeding, not wasting sperm!

Im sorry LP.. Only word i could notice from your post is "Whatever" !! haha

And i don't Judge people and neither do i consider myself at a position to judge anyone.. i just see them the way they present themselves to be seen

Animal instincts.. Survival of the fittest!..:)

So bottom line is nobody knows why God would create the sinner and later punish him for his sins when he ( God ) already knew the man would live to be nothing but a sinner.

CL, maybe you judge other people's lives from your point of view. Could it be that they are "happy" (whatever that means), but YOU think they are actually "unhappy" (whatever that means)?

Uk, are those things taught to us, or are we just following our animal instincts?

LP.. tell this to someone else please, NOT me.. coz i can see people with miserable lives ;)

Very well said...i always get d same thought wen i think about LIfe.. :)

CL, I am not suffering from anything. I used to suffer from the stupidity of the humans in general, but I got used to it. Now my life is beautiful again.

Why are we all living by some code or moral values. Why cant a women have many husbands and husband have many wifes, why is un-natural to mate with your siblings. Where did all these norms and values come from? Yes the mere fact that if you are a believer or a non believer we all live by some kind of codes and values.

The only common thing between everyone of us that we shall all face the truth which is DEATH. how you get to that truth again is based on what one believes!

Ok people .. enough of preaching part.. this is not my thing definitely :P

When did I copy you?

LP, difference is .. We both are suffering, at least i am expecting a reward, you are still confused .. :D

MM.. Obviously i was being sarcastic !! Hope its clear to you now ;)

Prism. I BELIEVE and i've been given guidance... I know my do's and don'ts..

And if no one came back to tell me if hell or heaven exists.. No one came to tell me otherwise ..

MM, you don't need to copy me,

The point is to live before you die. I hope, I made it clear.

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/2923747#comment-2108533#ixzz1uGLDReNk

"a body of facts or truths systematically arranged.."

No real scientist ever takes the word "truth" in his mouth. That's one thing, you must understand before continuing, CL. If a scientist claims to have found the truth, he isn't a scientist, he's a wannabe.

I said it many times, science creates a model (a simulation, if you want) based on observations and experiments and sometimes on pure thoughts. The conclusions are reached by using what is called logic (there are some different versions out), and the conclusions are subject to attack from all sides. The model MUST be able to PREDICT what will happen in given conditions, which then will be verified through experiment or observation. Still, this is far from being a "truth". It only proves that the model is able to predict the behavior of variables under defined conditions. THERE is NO TRUTH in science, only a successful model!

I agree with you TB, As per religious prefix we Human were created to live in Heaven, As LP mentioned above Heaven became a sin away. So we all Humans are been punished for the Sin of our so called Father ADAM.

So is it not unfair that we Human were created to live in Heaven then WTH are we doing on this Earth and fighting so hard to reach the place that we should have been in the first place.

"WHY live if we are living to die?"

Because we're going to die. Enjoy life while you can. The question is a bit rhetorical.

OK, CL, then go on and suffer. You will be rewarded in your next life.

CL...how would you know in the next life you wouldnt be told the same thing cos I dont think anyone came back from there to tell us that something like hell or heaven exists...and I am not talking of science or anything...just simple KG stuff.

CL if you know what science is, why did you use it incorrectly, or refer to it as a sentient thing. Science is not alive, it can't snap it's fingers and produce answers. People have to look for them.

Not exactly sure what I'm trying to prove...

no body from the non-believers has answered yet

"WHY live if we are living to die?" as per ur concepts.

we explained our point of view how about yours!?

anyway, this post will never change the concept of anyone but this give both of us information about how others think

LP... According to the religion i follow, i do not live this life to ENJOY but to prepare myself for the next life to enjoy ..

LOL.. MM.. thank you for putting in all the effort to describe science for me !! Although i knew what it is .. I like the way you play with words tho :P

What do you want me to use if not "science"?? when i say lets discover it .. i mean come on!! I'll use the word science when i mean to say " a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences"

Or scientists when i talk about PEOPLE who are associated with "a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences"

If you cant prove it, then just stop convincing people that you're right!!

I could have told them that LP, but it wasn't in the dictionary.com definition. I'm still laughing at the idea of science being alive, and apparently upset. :P

CL, what good is faith if it makes your life miserable instead of enjoyable?

MM, why don't you tell them that science derives from Latin scire which means "to know". (Opposite to "guess" or "believe")?

TB.. haha.. it makes me laugh and at the same time feel sorry for people who lose their "Faith" just coz life hasn't treated them well....

I have seen many people losing their belief in God, just coz they didn't get what they wanted in their lives or the life went a little hard with them... It's like child reaction who keeps fighting and denying their parents coz he didn't get the right gift for his birthday !!

LOL. No CL, science can't do anything. It's just a word used to describe the study of things:

sci·ence

   /ˈsaɪəns/ Show Spelled[sahy-uhns] Show IPA

noun

1.

a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.

2.

systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

3.

any of the branches of natural or physical science.

4.

systematized knowledge in general.

5.

knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.

PEOPLE have to discover the "mysteries" of life, by doing experiments, studying nature & the universe, etc.

Just because we don't know the answers to some things now, doesn't mean we won't discover them. We just have to keep looking.

CL: definitely the is a similarity here and is in the fact that both men’s fate is being controlled by someone else, and both are being thrown into the world to fix it (According to you)

And both end up domed anyway.

Munching Banana chips mode *

I'm pretty sure that the universe did not need a "Creator." If there are still a few things our model can't explain, we'll do that in the near future, but that's not reason enough to "believe" in something. However, it is easier to believe than to understand!

MM.. agree, then lets just discover it? Im sure science cant hear us but it can DISCOVER the mystery of life and death.. right?

Pity to see science getting so helpless and desperate when it comes to some basic and very important aspects of life

Chillax TB. They will keep trying to convince you, infact they are unsure, and trying convince themselves that they are right. Just ignore.

so back to the main question TB & MN:

"WHY live if we are living to die?" as per ur concepts

Pretty sure science doesn't take requests...It not being alive or sentient or anything like that.

TB... Obviously... WE ARE NOT INTERESTED to know either if you believe in God or NOT !!

And no one is proving anything or trying to convince anyone here...You are telling people what you believe so are we.

If science is responsible for human birth and creation, then lets ask science to put an end to the word "death" and to stop the aging phenomenon!!

No one can actually explains all of these mysteries because these is beyond our ordinary understanding.

BTW I am not speaking about specific religion, all religions followers believe that there is a creator of this universe so if u have a doubt in that also then i guess that u need to make extra research to reach the reasonable truth.

Because they need to justify to themselves that they are right TB.

There's a compulsion in religion to spread it (otherwise it would have died out centuries ago).

so u don't even believe that GOD created us?

Osama they are nt even ready to listen so how will u convince such people?

(( صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ فَهُمْ لا يَرْجِعُونَ ))[البقرة:18]

((لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌ لا يَفْقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ أَعْيُنٌ لا يُبْصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ آذَانٌ لا يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا)).

Assuming (with the same right to do so) we were not created by anyone, what is the point of living until we die? The point is to live before you die. I hope, I made it clear.

"When we were created by God" is an assumption.

Marco: thats a total ridiculous interpretation of what i said??

How did u manage to relate God with a terrorist and the whole phenomenon of life with kidnapping ??

So first he Seals my fate and then sends me out into the world to pay for someone else’s mess! Sigh Great answer CL!

MN: when we were created by GOD he gave us the choice 2 ways (good and bad) it's like giving the robot to choose randomly between 2 things, and based on that he knows where we will end in.

SO life is the time in which we have to choose which way we will take.

we have a chance as long as we are a live, we can change our path.

e.g. u can cut ur finger now, GOD gave u the ability to do so, and he gave u choice to do it or not, and it is up to u to decide.

CL: it's like saying a terrorist group kidnaps an innocent tourist, strap a vest full of explosive devices around his body and then send him out to change the world! (Well at least from their prospective)

I can see many of my Hell-buddies here.. seeya all there @ hellliving.com :P

MN: Here's how i'd answer your question

God creates a man ... Writes his fate .. and sends him to this world to Change it (The Test).. Man on this earth not only faces different obstacles, distractions but also opportunities and guidance .. and whoever remains steady succeeds, others fail. :)

Osama: Correct me if I’m wrong. But from I understand reading your post, God created the bad apples anyway even though in his pre-knowledge he already knew that millions of “BAD ROBOTS” would end up in hell for eternity?

Welcome to the club TB. ;)

However, you do sound a bit down. Hope everything's ok...and if not ok, at least manageable.

Then it's congratulations, TB.

TB, that's tragic.

OK TB, in this case and since God knows everything and he knows who will behave in a good way and who will not, so why don't he immediately burn the bad ones?. the answer is simple: coz he wants to give us choice and life to live and decide what to do in it, otherwise we may say "GOD is not fair he burn us before knowing what would we do" but in this case HE will ask u "I am burning u coz u did so and so, fair nO!?"

Any robot has a "free will". Just program him to use random decisions!

So basically what you saying is that we all somehow create a geometric path where all points lead to one regardless of what we feel we are or who we are.

But what happened to the concept of free will? You do realize that robots don’t have a free will don’t you?

MN: i will try to simplify it for u, if u created a robot won't u test it before announcing it in the market even though u know that it is supposed to do a specific task, and after the test u burn the bad ones and keep the good ones :)

UK, heaven's just a sin away!

I agree with UK. I think there's nothing sadder than wasting your life fighting over a piece of dirt or an idea.

Heaven's not a place that you go when you die it's that moment in life when you actually feel alive.

When everything was said and done, and CL was dragged kicking and screaming into his cell in hell, the Devil looked at him and smiled and said, "Yesterday we were recruiting you; today you're staff muahahahahaha!

It's not you who wants to live. Each cell you are made of has an instruction set that tells it to acquire energy to divide into two cells. Then the cell ceases to exist. You are not hungry, it's your cells that need energy. Once you started you have to follow this procedure even without wanting it. So, take it easy.

Lol Marco , Totally agree. They say "HE" knows everything.. yet he needs to test us to know to decide our destiny, heaven or hell. what a Joke!!!!

Life is short, people do all pranks as if they are gona live forever.

Very well said osama..

And Marco is defo gona "Fail" ..haha :P

Osama: Why does God need to test us if He already knows everything about us?

Couldn't agree more!

Osama, thumbs up.. the best answer among all answers nothing more to add.

the current life is just a test or exam and u will c the result in the judgement day based on ur performance during ur life time, either u pass and go to heaven 4 ever or fail and go to hell 4 ever

Life is made up of years that mean nothing and moments that mean it all.

. We're living because this is our one shot to make it right. This is the only moment we ever get, right now. Our time is now. This is our one and only being. let's Make the best of it

Good point, shouldn't we just make the best of it while we are alive rather than fighting over pieces of dirt.

If you only see life as living and dying, than there is no point of living because you'll just die in the end.

If you see life as there are things in-between living and dying, than you will know the answer why you have to live.

Some people are convinced of the whole survival of the fittest theory. And some are just greedy for all life has to offer. Death is after all the end of life's pleasures and you have people rushing to grab em all while they can.

When you really stop to ponder you start realizing how pointless all this covetousness is when you have to leave em all behind. Non of this is gonna benefit you or avail you when you are six feet under and covered in sand!

We do have a choice in the matter. The only thing is that we are not willing to put ourselves out to bring about changes. Sadly, that includes me. Twenty years ago, I used to march and make my voice heard. Now I just write the odd letter and let the politicians do what they please :o(

evolution finest unanswerable question thanks marcos, now got images of susan boyle singing 'dream a dream' in my head

what else is there to do not like we have a choice in matter

Why do you make child if they are also going to die?

but I think we have a purpose in life to do good things, i mean why do bad things if we know its bad right? our main goal is to make the world a better place and help each other while you're still alive. i think thats the best answer

I dreamed a dream in time gone by

When hope was high and life worth living

I dreamed that love would never die

I prayed that God would be forgiving

Then I was young and unafraid

And dreams were made and used and wasted

There was no ransom to be paid

No song unsung, no wine untasted

But the tigers come at night

With their voices soft as thunder

As they tear your hopes apart

(From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/s/susan-boyle-lyrics/i-dreamed-a-dream-lyrics.html)

And they turn your dream to shame

And still I dream he'd come to me

That we would live the years together

But there are dreams that cannot be

And there are storms we cannot weather

I had a dream my life would be

So different from the hell I’m living

So different now from what it seemed

Now life has killed the dream I dreamed