Pretty Disgusting...

Well that was a pretty pointless edit.

You forgot the souce of your cut'n'paste:

http://everything2.com/e2node/sheeple

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

That's why consumers have to be informed and make wise choices for their families. If you are of the "sheeple", then don't investigate anything...just BLIND FOLLOW and trust everything that's been made "normal".

Sheeple is a portmanteau created by combining the words "sheep" and "people." A population of sheeple. Someone is considered a sheeple if they take no heed to good information, choose inaction no matter the case, mindlessly follow the example of the masses, or blindly follow authority.

Moneeple - or a Monkey story of Sheeple:

Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the other monkeys with cold water. After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result - all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it. Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm! Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth.

Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked. Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana.

Why not?

Because as far as they know that's the way it's always been done around here.

And that, my friends, is the basis for most federal bureaucracies." (World News Stand)

So when someone brings something that is against the grain, now let's label it as "conspiracy".

Islam does not teach us to go against medicines. I'm not advocating "power of prayer" and avoiding all medicines. We do both...supplicate to our Rabb and take medicines. But we have to be aware of some medicines that may have some type of "hidden agenda" attached to them.

AbuAmerican...We have to do our part by spreading this information even if this is an uphill battle. The result is with Allah.

azilana7037...I don't think that all of the ingredients are bad...but there are some that are toxic...you may be a (licensed) Medical Technologist...Here's what a licensed DOCTOR(MD)says about vaccines...I used to be a nurse and at one time was so trusting of the medical community just like you.

Doctor Sherri

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=207506724

Others who want to know about the other side of vaccines can visit this website:

A guy who has two sons who believes are severely damaged by vaccines.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=90931945

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i hope flower understand what we are trying to say...

Global Vaccine agenda:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&q=global+vaccine+agenda&total=165&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere!

The recent scare about the MMR jab in the UK(based on a rumour whipped up by the media without a shred of scientific evidence) has led to an substantial increase in debilitating childhood diseases - one child actually died from Measles in Scotland - the first in the UK for 20 years.

There is a long and misguided tradition of refusing medicine as the blind attempts of man to play god. Many children have died as a result of their parents choosing to believe in the power of prayer instead.

A tragic example of natural selection in action - as it has been said, it's not 'the survival of the fittest' but 'the survival of the fit enough!'

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Supernurse said If it were'nt for vaccines ...

If it were'nt for vaccines the world population would have been eradicated long ago.....

How would you know? Are you our CREATOR? Only the CREATOR knows the future.

I'm not arguing with you...you wanna believe it, your choice.

I'm still abreast with the medical news as I intend to re-new my license and be able to practice my profession, insha'allah...

Anti Vaccine posts are not meant to "JUST RATTLE OTHERS" or cause "FEAR MONGERING". As consumers we have the right to know about the other side of medicines, immunization, etc. that are not so beneficial. Since this issue is so controversial these days, then one should look to see what the other side has to say. If the risks outweigh the benefits, so be it! Or if the risks are not worth dying for or getting a disease in order to obtain the benefit, then let the people make informed choices with the arguments that that are against vaccines.

here is a comprehensive website about vaccine controversy

http://www.wanttoknow.info/vaccinesnewsarticles-0-10000

to be quite honest, I don't give a monkeys chuff who has been vaccinated and who hasn't.....all I know is that my family has and when all those that haven't are dying in agony and blowing up to 3 times their size and drowning in their own bodily fluids...we'll be ok.....

The World Health Organization maintained that such reports were "completely false and totally without any scientific basis."7 ...this is the "denial policy" tactic. How can you be so trusting when this incident happened in your country? Your country did the research.Also don't forget about the children in Libya who were injected with the AIDS virus via vaccines?...and the list goes on...

Yes, I read it? Did you watch or read the global vaccine agenda? It exposes CDC, WHO, etc.

You don't have to try to convince me...if you want to convince others..start your own thread about pro vaccine and tell your friends to join the band wagon

Azi, thankx for that info but what I am asking is what are the fatality rates of people who catch the afore mentioned viruses that we are almost religiously forced to have administered to our families?

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

we have good bacteria in our mouth and we drink YAKULT and/or ACTIVIA or known as LACTOBACILLI which helps the digestion.

Those viruses/bacilli or toxins included in those vaccines are in MINUTE amount (less than 0.08 microgram)which the body can tolerate and form antibodies/antigens and these antibodies stays in our system as IMMUNE DEFENSE.

If only i could share with you guys how I saw it under an electron microscope of how these looks like...beautiful, scary but FANTASTIC...

so you see..I can't share your feelings but I can see your point of being scared...but no need to worry, IMHO

If it were'nt for vaccines the world population would have been eradicated long ago........I don't understand the issue here....vaccines have additives?? So does everything we ingest!!

"would you like me to fill you in on the drugs that contain pork products???"....as you like so that we can avoid them

SN, I know quite a few people who 'risk' it....

But what are fatality rates of TB, Smallpox, diptheria and meningitis amongst individuals who catch these viruses/bacteria?

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

go ahead with what you insist... VACCINES for you and your family or whoever who will follow/believe in you. But you put their lives in danger AND WE wouldn't be there to say, "I told you so".

You may end up like Cindy Sheehan...first she was for the war until her son was killed....now she's anti-war

Flowersarebeautiful....would you like me to fill you in on the drugs that contain pork products???mmmmmm......its quite suprising!!

depends what vaccines they haven't had...if we're talking MMR ok.....but would you really not vaccinate your children against such things as TB/Smallpox/diptheria/Meningitis??....I wouldn't risk it whatever was in the vaccine!!

how can a hormone be rejected by a human body. Sometimes, people who issue this kinds of reports just issue them without delving into the real scienticic and medical aspect.

Have you heard of HRT? Hormone Replacement Theraphy? Women who are nearing menopause or after menopause take hormones to regulate the female reproductive system and avoid getting sick like Ovarian Cancer, breast cancer and the like.

I can't convince you to believe otherwise...but I see this as like "making a mountain out of an anthill"...

I personally know families who have not had their children vaccinated since birth....they're perfectly fine.

And there are others whom I don't know that are fine:

http://darrendixon.supanet.com/livingwithoutvaccinations.htm

Azi,

Of the major vaccinations that are given today (what are there like 12 of them now?) how many of the viruses/bacterium are fatal 100% of the time? 90% of the time? 50% of the time to humans?

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

The World Health Organization maintained that such reports were "completely false and totally without any scientific basis."7

Copy/paste is SO EASY, isn't it?

I am also an advocate of PRO-CHOICE in the Philippines but that's BESIDE THE POINT...

I agree with SUPERNURSE...go ahead with what you insist...NO vaccine for you and your family or whoever who will follow/believe in you. But you put their lives in danger AND WE wouldn't be there to say, "I told you so".

OK, SN.... Thanx for your permission....

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Try NOT having the vaccines and see what happens.......

Anti Pregnancy Vaccine - Tetanus Toxoid

Anti-pregnancy element found in tetanus vaccines

by Paul Gallagher

More than a year ago, HLI Reports brought its readers an alarming front-page report about the Tetanus Toxoid Vaccine campaigns then underway in Mexico and the Philippines.

Pro-life sources within those countries made a startling allegation - that these government-supplied vaccines contained an anti-pregnancy hormone that caused unsuspecting women

to abort their unborn children.1

Pro-abortion groups and government officials in those countries and at the World Health Organization (WHO) reacted sharply. They angrily denied the reports and accused HLI of

trying to frighten women out of getting vaccinations necessary for their health and well-being. They rejected HLI's call for a Congressional investigation as symptomatic of a

supposedly paranoid mindset.

Now an official government study in the Philippines lends credence to what HLI first reported so many months ago. A recently released expert study, commissioned by the

Philippine Department of Health and the Philippine Medical Association, provides additional evidence that the vaccines supplied by the WHO are indeed contaminated with Human

Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG), a hormone essential for maintaining pregnancy.2

"The study shows that HCG, which should not be in the vaccine is, in fact, in the vaccine," Sen. Francisco S. Tatad said. "The vaccine is contaminated, not pure."

What is HCG?

HCG is commonly referred to as the "pregnancy hormone" because elevated levels of HCG in a woman's body is one of the most reliable markers of pregnancy. (In fact, pregnancy

tests are usually tests for HCG.) It causes the release of other hormones which are essential for facilitating implantation of the fertilized egg.

Adding HCG to a vaccine such as the Tetanus Toxoid, however, leads the body to form anti-bodies against both tetanus and HCG. Once a woman has accumulated antibodies

against HCG in her system, she can no longer maintain a pregnancy. When she becomes pregnant, anti-HCG antibodies cause a miscarriage by "disabling or deactivating" the HCG

needed for implantation.3

Prior evidence mounts

Pro-life groups in these countries became suspicious long before HCG was first detected in the vaccines. For one thing, only women of reproductive age (between the ages of 15-45)

were being vaccinated; men and children were inexplicably excluded, even though they would seem just as likely to contract tetanus.

In addition, the vaccination protocols called for multiple injections - three within three months and five altogether. Yet a single tetanus shot is good for 10 years or more.

More importantly, the pregnant women who had received the injections began complaining of symptoms such as vaginal bleeding and early miscarriages - odd reactions, indeed, if

all they had received were tetanus shots.4

Vaccine in the works

The presence of HCG in the Tetanus Toxoid Vaccine, which has now been administered to millions of women in Mexico, Nicaragua and the Philippines, comes as less of a shock

when one considers the fact that the WHO has been trying to develop an anti-fertility vaccine for more than two decades. Reports of its progress have appeared in various medical

journals since the early 1970s.

A 1988 article in The Washington Post highlighted the latest findings in the search for a "contraceptive" vaccine. Dr. Jose Barzelatto of the World Health Organization how

researchers felt "optimistic" about the successful trials they had conducted on animals such as baboons. But, he cautioned, "we really don't know until they test women and find out

if they get pregnant."5

In light of what has been happening to pregnant women in countries where the WHO has been conducting vaccine campaigns, it's fair to ask: Has someone surreptitiously

continued WHO's experiments, simply transferring them from animals to humans?

Whither the pro-aborts?

Pro-abortion groups have remained understandably silent following the release of this official study. There is little they can say to defend the covert nature of the WHO's

anti-fertility campaign. After criticizing HLI so harshly before, and so recklessly defending the vaccines, they have squandered a great deal of their credibility.

Last year, the Women's Global Network for Reproductive Rights, based in the Netherlands, did not hesitate to label HLI's report "irresponsible and dangerous" and charged that HLI

was "endangering people's lives."6 The World Health Organization maintained that such reports were "completely false and totally without any scientific basis."7

Neither group has offered any comment now that the case against the vaccines has been strengthened. The media have in effect labeled this explosive story a "non-issue" by their

silence. HLI, however, will keep you informed.

Paul Gallagher is editor of HLI Reports.

1 "Baby-killing vaccine: is it being stealth tested?," HLI Reports, June/July 1995, p. 1.

2 "Experts confirm contaminated anti-tetanus vaccines," News release from the Office of Senator Francisco S. Tatad, 4 September 1996.

3 "Anti-fertility drug experiments?" The Simbahayan Commission, Philippines. 4 Ibid.

5 "Contraceptive vaccine shows promise," The Washington Post, 17 June 1988, p. A1.

6 WGNRR press release, July 1995.

7 WHO press release, 19 July 1995.

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

not into BIO! am an engineer and cant understand all this stuff!

Where do you get off calling a total stranger "ignorant or stupid"? Your callus ways speak volumes of your character.You probably only investigate the studies of those who are in favor of vaccines in the first place. Sorry, but I'm not going to blindly follow what a study says about the safety of vaccines when it was conducted by those who wish to push vaccines on us. They are biased studies funded by drug companies who have much to gain financially from vaccines.

What makes me laugh more is the fact that there all up in arms over the fact that gelitine is an animal by product and the chick embryo.

C'mon haven't these people eaten Jelly before or had an egg for breakfast I mean what do they think those are made from???

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

and unfortunately, others will blindly follow this. (NOTE: not a generalization)

Admit it or not, some if not majority are hypochondriacs and would gargle on some pills to cure themselves than take precautionary measures.

These kind of posts is not helping at all...

The funny thing about people like this is that they get all up in a huff without doing the real research...Then when they get sick and are on deaths door they complain, stating that they were told by so and so not to have the vaccine as it is worse than the disease.....There is nothing worse than Death people, which is what most of us would face wth out these vaccines.

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

I like meds. ♥

i can't tell you to stop coz this is what you believe but do be careful as you obviously will have some problems later on as the company that markets this product has a local distributor here in Qatar...

GARDASIL is contraindicated in individuals who are hypersensitive to the active substances or to any of the excipients of the vaccine.

The health care provider should inform the patient, parent or guardian that vaccination does not substitute for routine cervical cancer screening. Women who receive GARDASIL should continue to undergo cervical cancer screening per standard of care. GARDASIL is not recommended for use in pregnant women.

Vaccination with GARDASIL may not result in protection in all vaccine recipients. GARDASIL is not intended to be used for treatment of active genital warts, cervical cancer, CIN, vulvar interepithelial neoplasia (VIN), or vaginal interepithelial neoplasia (VaIN). GARDASIL has not been shown to protect against disease due to other HPV types.

In clinical studies for GARDASIL, vaccine-related adverse experiences that were observed at a frequency of at least 1.0 percent among recipients of GARDASIL and also greater than those observed among recipients of placebo, respectively, were pain, swelling, erythema, fever, nausea, pruritis and dizziness. In addition, common post-marketing reports include vomiting and syncope.

Dosage and administration for GARDASIL

GARDASIL is a ready-to-use, three-dose, intramuscular vaccine. GARDASIL should be administered in three separate intramuscular injections in the upper arm or upper anterior thigh over a six-month period. The following dosage schedule is recommended: first dose at elected date, second dose two months after the first dose and the third dose six months after the first dose.

Other Information about GARDASIL

In 1995, Merck entered into a license agreement and research collaboration with CSL Limited of Australia relating to technology used in GARDASIL. GARDASIL also is the subject of other third-party licensing agreements.

Merck Responds to Questions about Adverse Events Reported following Vaccination with GARDASIL®

WHITEHOUSE STATION, N.J., July 8, 2008 - Merck today issued the following statement to address questions about adverse events reported in people who had received GARDASIL [Human Papillomavirus Quadrivalent (Types 6, 11, 16, 18) Vaccine, Recombinant].

Merck has analyzed the adverse events reported for GARDASIL relating to the recent reports of death and paralysis, and based on the data available to Merck, believes that no safety issue related to the vaccine has been identified. These types of events are events that could also be seen in the general population, even in the absence of vaccination. An adverse experience report describes an event that occurred after vaccination and does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused or contributed to the event. The vast majority of adverse events that have been reported to Merck are non-serious and the most common include dizziness and syncope (fainting).

"Merck is proud of the public health benefit that GARDASIL can provide in helping to prevent cervical cancer and other HPV diseases caused by HPV types 6, 11, 16 and 18 throughout the world and we remain confident in the safety profile of GARDASIL," said Richard M. Haupt, executive director, Clinical Research, Merck Research Laboratories. "Merck encourages health care providers and consumers to report any adverse experience associated with GARDASIL to the Company and to the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System so that the Company can continue to thoroughly monitor the safety of this important vaccine."

Merck continues to evaluate all safety data in the context of its own post-marketing adverse experience database as well as its ongoing clinical trial database and provides post-marketing reports to regulatory authorities worldwide. For vaccines, Merck also participates in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention adverse event reporting system that collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, whether coincidental or potentially caused by a vaccine.

The labeling for GARDASIL reflects the extensive data available from our clinical trials of more than 25,000 people and Merck updates its product labels with new safety information as appropriate. As of March 31, Merck has distributed more than 26 million doses of GARDASIL worldwide, nearly 16 million of them in the U.S., since approval in June 2006.

In 2006, GARDASIL became the only approved vaccine to prevent cervical cancer, precancerous or dysplastic lesions, and genital warts caused by HPV types 6, 11, 16 and 18 in girls and women 9 through 26 years of age. GARDASIL (sold in some countries as SILGARD®) has been approved in 103 countries, and additional applications are currently under review with regulatory agencies in many more countries around the world.

The one of the doctors the at the centre of the research into using "thalidomide" during pregnancy was my mums doctor Dr William McBride,who was her doctor during her pregnancies, for those that don't know thalidomide was given during pregnancy back in the 60's and 70's as an anti nausea drug to fight of "Morning Sickness" it is still used today to fight cancer in various form and is why women who under go treatment for cancer are advised if they want to have children after treatment to harvest eggs for freezing.

Now I'm not saying that he was not right, but you do know he was barred from practicing because he basically committed medical fraud, he didn't take the time to carry out the proper research and get the proper results before publishing his findings, having said that what he knew in theory was right.

Also it might amuse some this is also the same doctor who induced my mum twice, 2 weeks before her due date because he had a golf match on the day I was supposed to be born and was going on holidays the week my brother was due.

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

Way to go LOVE!! are you just ignorant or stupid, None of the sources you posted against the HPV or any of the others vaccines are written by anyone of note, anyone for the sake of sensationalism can tack on MD, PHD at the end of a name especially when they don't quote the medical research center or establishment they work for. Half of the pages are just scare mongering and have no real research to back them up. It's the same every time a new vaccine is introduced into the world and half the time the slander and put downs and the scaremongering against a vaccine is usually being done by a rival pharmaceutical company so they can release there "New Safer Alternative" ...

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

It's a vaccine, what did you expect it to be made of? pink Bunnies and rainbows? :/

Sex, Cancer And The

Mandatory HPV Vaccine

http://www.rense.com/general75/SXSE.HTM

Vaccinations Designed

To Sterilize Women?

http://www.rense.com/general79/vaxcc.htm

Vaccine Insanity - 33 Jabs

Of Potential Death

MMR And Mercury - And Hep B Vac And Liver Failure

http://www.rense.com/general77/jadbs.htm

Are Vaccines A Waste Of Time?

http://www.rense.com/general77/vaccs.htm

Examining the Science & Politics of HPV Vaccine

http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/NVIC_may2008.htm

The HPV vaccine is being introduced in UAE and Qatar.Please read before allowing your women folk to take this vaccine.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/9015-gahs-oks-hpv-vaccine

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=Local_News&month=May2008&file=Local_News2008053082155.xml

HPV Vaccine Causes 21

Deaths And Counting

By Tim Waggoner

LifeSiteNews.com

8-20-8

New England Journal of Medicine claims that only about 10% of drug induced side effects are reported

OTTAWA -- Critics say that the reasons to avoid using the HPV vaccine, Gardasil, continue to pile up in the form of thousands of instances of severe side effects, including numerous deaths.

In response to the mounting evidence that the vaccine may not be safe for widespread use, the Centre for Disease Control (CDC) is slated to release a study in October that will attempt to determine the validity of these reports.

Judicial Watch, a public interest group, has closely monitored Gardasil since it was released by creator Merck in 2006, periodically detailing statistics on the numerous side effects users have experienced. The most recent report alleges that the drug has been responsible for 21 deaths and 9,749 adverse reactions, including 78 outbreaks of genital warts and 10 miscarriages.

As daunting as these current statistics are, it seems that even they may be gravely underestimating the health risks associated with using Gardasil. A study by the New England Journal of Medicine claims that only about 10% of drug induced side effects are reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

Furthermore, FiercePharma.com claims that experts have criticized the actual effectiveness of the cervical cancer vaccine, saying Merck has exaggerated the drug's usefulness.

Despite the alleged dangers of using Garasil and concerns about its actual medical success, Merck is continuing to push the drug into state mandatory vaccine lists and schools.

http://brownpelicanla.com/index.php/all/2008/08/15/hpv_vaccine_causes_21_deaths_and_countin

See related LifeSiteNews.com coverage -

Gardasil - 18 Dead, Thousands Suffer Complications

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jul/08070809.html

Why Medical Authorities Cannot be Trusted on Gardasil HPV Vaccine By Gwen Landolt

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/dec/07121905.html

Ontario Catholic School Board Rejects HPV Vaccine on School Premises

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/oct/07101806.html

Controversial HPV Vaccine Causing One Death Per Month: FDA Report

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jul/08070316.html

Yes, azi, everybody (including me) could learn something if they wanted.

And quite a different tone from the past few threads...thank GOD...

:-)

I think you did us a great service here, azi.

prescribe nor diagnose...only doctors...

but I could tell whether someone is diabetic(for example) by the color, smell and acidity/alkalinity of his/her urine. Conclusive tests would be Fasting blood sugar but I COULD NOT say/prescribe what he/she would take to alleviate/cure/maintain the condition.

Sorry if I sound to be a know-it-all...but this is what I know and I do try to keep abreast with medical news now and then, sort of self-education.

Funny...I'm with customer service/admin work...csi

azi, I am not trying to put your profession down. And I do not share the general tenor of this thread either. Arsenic in the right dose can be very useful. In the wrong dose it is deadly. And as you said, the air that we breathe and our food are filled with toxic ingredients. So, for the guys who lament about the components of vaccines and medicines there seems to be only one solution: stop breathing, stop eating and drinking and see how long you can make it.

who actually read the whole thing???

or population...but statistics are also based on actual.

In my field, no room for mistake or else death or serious health/medical effects in inevitable...and no pharmaceutical company would wager their reputation/integrity for any amount of money...it's like killing the "goose that lays the golden egg"...

If I will ever need a medicine, azi, I will consult you. Thank God I did not eat a single pill in my life so far.

and not the mixture...

Believe me, I am amongst those who gave my professors hard time when it comes to Toxicology/bacteriology, Clinical chemistry as I don't believe in ingesting those poisons myself.

Looking at a bigger picture...everything we eat, drink , breathe or touch contains chemicals, poisons and toxins which are bad or hazardous to/for our health.

azi, you misinterpret me. No drug is tested on a whole population. A sample of the population (hopefully representative) is tested. The rest is statistics.

clinical tests are clinical tests and it can't be "doctored" because the first year that a new medicine is launched and introduced to the market, all results are recorded and the pharmaceutical sales/marketing/medical representative is responsible for reporting this to the company without delay. The prescribing doctors AND the patients' welfare is the first priority.

I myself was once a Pharmaceutical representative and before we could even promote/push out product, we also learn about the product itself, it's MODE OF ACTION, INDICATIONS & CONTRAINDICATIONs, the ADVERSE EFFECTS and all that. I won't promote something that I don't believe it...coz I'll be using it for my family as well...

azilana, no one want to hurt anyone. But everyone in this "business" wants to make money. And the "clinical" tests are a statistical value. That means there is a "probability" that it works, but a probability is not a "security".

Been in the pharmaceutical company for 4 years and I know what's what...

But it's like generalizing everything that if ONE company did this...it is automatically CONCLUDED that EVERYONE DOES it...

Maybe you are CORRECT...I am wrong...

That is why there's product details inside every packet, doctors and allied medical practioners have to be convinced and believe the product before they prescribe it...

PM, I don't know the international product name. It was a sleeping pill sold as Contergan in Germany. The compensation to be paid to the victims is in the hundreds of millions of Euro.

trial studies are made for each drug (placebo type method)and gliches do happen...no one forsee it will happen or wants that to happen but it does.

But medical technologists would be the first to know what ails people. Bcoz we're the ones who examine/test feces, urine, saliva, blood, tissue (biopsy et al) and we do bacteriology to knwo which antibiotics would be most effective in treating/killing whatever pathogens infecting the patient.

We inform the doctors of our findings and then they prescribe whatever "brand" available in the market/pharmacies...

If there would be cases of system rejection, because the human body is uniquely one. Adverse effects do happen but it would not be conclusive that it's lethal to ALL...

You know that is not true, azilana. There are thousands of children without arms or legs because their mothers took an "approved" medication (Contergan by La Roche) during pregnancy!

by BFAD or whatever agencies in particular countries where it was manufactured. It takes years of tests and researches not to mention millions of dollars before it could be sold to the market.

And even before it's prescribed by the medical practitioners (doctors, pharmacists, etc)...the pharmaceutical companies need to provide clinical studies and known laboratory tests to show it's effectivity.

Doctors will not prescribe or inject you with any medicine if they know it would be harmful in the long run...

we'd all succumb to fatal illnesses (animals and humans alike). It's a risk that is outweighed by scientific advancement, flowersarebeautiful.

The European Union decided on September 22, 2007 to ban Formaldehyde use throughout Europe due to its carcinogenic properties.

WTH is that? no any clue about it...

but I believe Azzi ...

Yah Azi... neurotoxins are safe even in small dosages, huh?

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Where is my personal favorite, Anthrax?

What is in that you ask? Well... Anthrax!

Yummy! A spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down! The medicine go down!

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

that you know nothing about BIOCHEMISTRY or MICROBIOLOGY coz you see each ingredients as disgusting and poisonous and not see it as a mixture of different component which is laboratory/medically tested to be effective.

You don't know about the antibodies, anti-toxins and toxoids and all you see/read are baccilli, cocci and germs per se being injected to human.

As a (licensed) Medical Technologist, I see nothing wrong in the lists above as all of these went through synthesis with the other components (in minute amounts) to produce the desired medical result.