Nudity!!!!!!!!

Wherever we come from or whatever we have in mind about the practices of others, it should be important to respect their cultures and traditions. Yes it could be eastern people are much conservatives and western people are liberates. Its a different story for us if we are being reprimanded for what we're doing that are used to us or we had inherited from our ancestors.

Respect others and you will respected. "Do what you want others will do unto you".

Rey Sajulga

Any museum that has art with nudity presents it because it is culturally and artistically valid in the view of art historians and museum officials, not to mention most societies. And they do not prevent children from viewing it because it is NOT pornography and its context is a cultural and aesthetic one.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

good point alexa , you are saying what i am trying to tell

art is something nice

i am talking about the violence and porn around us which humiliate men and women.

i agree with you at the end

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

ok then ......

why we prevent this art away off our children , we should increase this inside them

it is art at the end , is it?

but if you are father or mother you know deep inside that this is wrong , but i am not talking about this kind of nudity ,

it is wrong it is against the human nature .

if you go anywhere , the Prostitution in whole the world considered it as a crime .

Please enlight me if i am wrong

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

As he seems to be saying that the display of nudity is in and of itself pornographic.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

:D

i am not here to change the world according to my formula ,

it is only an opinion i share and people could accept or reject .

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

Can't you let every country take care of itself with regard to their censorship or lack thereof?

And btw, if you think nudity is porn, you probably should never leave your cocoon. The human body is not in and of itself pornographic. Much great art in history explores the beauty of God's creation. No one is forcing you to look at it.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Give yourself a lot of exposure, study it, try introspecting it yourself, and see how it works.

I only showed you how I got the needed perception of accepting such graphics in cinema from my 9-year-old experience not relying on surveys. See? I'm not ashamed of it. I end up understanding the idea.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

My hero

i don't care if you watched nudity at age 9 or not.

and how i look stupid or not comparing to you.

the latest survey in UK showed that every 5 minutes you have to hear a bad word or bad view in street or school or media.

regardless the results , i admire the people who did that in UK "which i consider it one of the most liberate countries "because you see people who really care and wish the best for their community , and i wish if we apply the age restrictions here or in the middle east.

even the USA i can't find surveys like this looking at the community as one structure and every column should do its purpose

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

It's their artistic expression. If it needs a bit of those scenes to work it's OK. It doesn't mean that they're forcing you as an audience to think you're an animal.

YOU're forcing yourself to think they think about you as an animal, OS! Just like you said, you really feel stupid...and maybe THINK stupid too.

And if this is how plenty of you people are giving thoughts about plenty of movies, then the distribution guys are right. They SHOULD LIMIT the movies they'll show in theaters for people like you who couldn't even understand how a combined movie ratings and artistic expression work. That mentality will not move you anywhere. You're fine off being given only Barney movies in your lifetime because it's the only thing your brain (or your child's brain and ego) can handle.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

waw you saw nudity in age 9??

where were your guidance ? 0_0

any way , i am not blaming anyone here, but why we should insert sexual contents in a movie if it is good ?!!!

i call it (the 60% scene ) , why?

because the director or the producer is not good enough , and he knows that me and you will get bored of his silly movie BUT to keep you in your seat , he will take advantage of you and use that thing between your legs to keep you there ,not your heart , not your brain , not your soul.

So i feel like a stupid when i watch something like this

because the director is looking at me as an animal instead of respecting this guy who come to watch his movie.

if i need porn i know where i can find it , but i don't need this stupid scene in this movie .

and one more thing , the first comments mentioned that it is a psychology issue, but if i return back 20 years from now i will see that sex views and bad words have been increased 1000%

so adults were kids those days , and the current kids are adults now????

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

why you blaming your neighbor??? :(

It got on a mishap on some neighbor who played a movie that has scenes of it right in front of me. But that didn't made me think about the consequences of seeing such as I didn't even understand it at that age. It only made me curious when I got to my adolescence age of 12.

That's why it's called Parental Guidance. A parent should know if his/her child can view the film with as much as the child may or may not understand or induce stimulation. But it doesn't mean it has to be enforced as that is not how the movie ratings work. It is natural that a child may possibly able to see such graphic visuals in a movie. The only thing that matters if your child can take it in a good manner or not.

YOU SHOULD STILL LOOK OUT FOR YOUR CHILD AND STOP BLAMING THE MEDIA FOR GIVING YOU A WARNING/ADVICE AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN FOLLOW IT!

And I'm happy with the liberation my place of origin has given me. I'm as much as in a balance to using the said liberation properly that they don't need to force conservativeness on people like me just to maintain my religious and cultural standards pretentiously done by several cinema classification boards around here in the Middle East. So blame YOUR community for preventing it, OS.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

according to what i see in the news , no one is adult , it is only a standard we invented .

And every human is fragile and human being reflects what his society wants and the age is not a big deal

i think we teach our kids what we want them to be taught

BUT the important thing is are our standard right?

this is what i mean in this thread and this is the purpose of religion because it gives us a standards we should follow and usually it follow what the human being has been created to be we call it in arabic "fitra"

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

answer to your questions,

1) Nothing wrong with the human form in appropriate settings - we all have a body

2) One should teach children not to be ashamed of their bodies. The discovery of the human form they will get to know over an appropiate time frame - hence film certification.

A corollary to your question that we should protect children; adults ,ie over 21's, don't need protection and can take responsibility for themselves so we should be able to see uncut films in the cinema - yes?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

they would be exposed to if they had grown up as a typical child here, either. Viva said it perfectly: we should protect our kids from harm. The question is what actually harms them -- and as I pointed out before, there are widely varying opinions on that matter depending on what culture you live in.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

no matter we agree or don't

maybe one shot

but whatever is the community , we have to protect kids of all the dangerous outside.

ok adey

i will phrase it in onther form:

Do you agree with nudity?

and if yes , do you accept the same for your childs?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

I read your OP 3 times, and I am still totally confused as to what it is you are even asking.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

All i know is valuing nudity is a matter of cultural sentiments. Parisians value nudity as an art but a taboo to Asians.

britexpat

are you talking about this news from Guardian?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/21/baha-mousa-death-inquiry-soldiers

///Arabic and many Asian countries , it is deemed normal to show pictures of accidents , carnage and even birth defects on front pages of newspapers. In the Western countries it is not.///

i think the guardian is British newspaper

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

I Arabic and many Asian countries , it is deemed normal to show pictures of accidents , carnage and even birth defects on front pages of newspapers. In the Western countries it is not.

That is what I meant my Norms..

ma fav channel is XXL n Spice :)

are more important while watching movies with them and keep open discussion and communication channels to clarify their doubts if any. Otherwise restrict/control your children to watch such movies, which misguide or over exposed to nudity.

OS, we have to accept that we really don't respect ratings, even for arabic movies that you saying it's full of love and feelings, most of them (not to generalize) are not appropriate for children under 16 because of themes of sexual suggestions and sexual words that , in western community would make the movie rating goes to pg 13 or more, while here, nobody cares (Tamer Hosni latest movie for instance, the cinema was full of families with their children boys and girls, was full of sexual suggestions from minute 1, in the name of Comedy!!!!!)and so many more (all Khaled Yousof movies....etc)

Movie makers in the west study their market based on the ratings, and many movies have lost huge number of audience because of it, which means huge amount of money; therefore, we must imply the rating in our community and must impose it by law, if we really respect our children and want the best for them, and if the movie makers in Arab world and the cinemas owners respect us and our families, so I believe that WE also are greedy people and just looking to fill in our pockets with unethical ways whatsoever.

We need to start taking our children psychological safety more serious.

Yalla!

and the way of gulf people used to live before enforsed them to do such a thing , living in small communities will be like a big family and one man opinion could change the whole point of view to a thing.

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

ukengqatar

i think "and it is my personal opinion"

People here think that the community which is conservative has to protect them from these things.

because of that you can find some people become strictly conservative.

in another parts of the world we see that parents are trying to protect their child from the community.

but it is not a rule to follow , it is only an info to consider about.

-protecting by the community

-protecting from the community

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

My 6 year old daughter wants to watch the Harry Potter Movies. But my wife is refusing to let her watch it because of the rating of 12. We have come to a compromise that she can watch the first Harry Potter movie when she is 7 with one of us sitting.

the rating of a movie all depends on the culture and the parental control. I know for sure that if I went to buy a movie ticket for a 18 rated film. First they will not sell it to anyone below that age and if they get hold of the ticket they will denied at the entry point.

But here the story is completelty different. A 7 or 8 year of Qatari boy can go and buy any ticket for any rating and will not be challenged at the entry point.

People in this part of the world just dont take the rating serious.

Point on the nudity secenes that are deleted from movies in the cinema yet thousand of Arab homes across the middleast are receiving western channels (of adult contents) without anyone even bothering.

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HE WHO DARES WINS

people's opinions formed according to 5 factors " i think"

1- raising by community(parents, school , street)

2- religion

3- experience

4-traditions

5- personal opinion.

so it is impossible to see 2 people agree with everything .

even if i am talking with my brother who shares the factor 1, 2, 4 with me , you will see that we have a lot of things we don't agree with in the other.

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

Laurana , thank you for your comment but , i am not blaming anyone here .

If you read my posts above you will see that i don't like to blame a community by itself.

Everybody is responsible for his own mistakes , and their is no frustration here against anyone.

and i understand that these moves are great moves against the speed profit without caring of the society values .

but still you find people who are stupid"i am not referring to anyone here" and don't accept the others.

what is the problem with veil ? and who are we to judge on some people freedom ? just because they look strange .?

i don't want to repeat my comments but i'll tell you this

i admire the western community because the majority of them are open minded and respect the other opinion but in condition:

1- if they didn't believe what media is trying to tell them.

2-if they know that color or religion or ethnic are values differs from one to another and don't make the other a monster.

3- if they didn't follow the "speech of the street(rumors)"

till now i hate or get frustrated of 3 things in this life:

1- bad or stupid commercials and movies.

2-an employee in my country who was really corrupted .

3- the dog of our neighbor "i couldn't have a nap"

"kidding"

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

between a frustrated one and the rest of the world... Sorry OS but this is what I saw reading the posts here.

You should live in an westerner society for couple of years to be able to understand that the real life and the values respected by westerners are not what Hollywood is telling you.

Media in western countries, as well as in Arab countries, is controlled by the groups of interests (political or commercial). You should check independent movies... are far more realistic and they present the life as it should be (most of them). Hollywood is an industry and has nothing to do with cultural or social life. They are creating and selling what creates immediate profit.

If someone consider that a certain movie channel is not appropriate to his principles, he should turn it off. I have access to hundred of commercial channels at home, including xxx. I just never watch TV (almost) so I have nothing to complain against them.

The categories

Surely we are living on borrowed time and technology.

no sorry adil

and pm , ahhh you are against men tho loooooooooooool

kidding in this one

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

can i've those PM's?

:P

and I would be really surprised if anyone tried to make it look like I did. Someone is making things up to stir the pot. And I have been pretty straightforward on the threads responding to you and telling you what I think.

There is no shiny PM picture. I am human like everyone else. Some people like me, some don't. Some agree with me, some don't. Why does any of this matter to you enough to hijack your own thread to make it about how you feel about me?

And for the last time (I hope): I am a woman. Thus, the terms "she" and "her" apply when discussing me.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

for the trust Pm and adil khan and i copy from leonardo dicaprio in the silly movie "body of lies "

if you gain the trust of an arab you gain his life , and if you loose it , you loose him for ever"

speaking about trust:

At the first i liked the PM comments when i join QL but i was in a middle of discussion with someone here in QL, and i don't know how i received a series of private messages between that guy and Pm by mistake or intently , and Pm was talking bad about me "suddenly the shiny PM pictures collapsed "

and i saw what it looks like when some one reject his ideas whatever is written on the public thread.

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

this time i really mean it??????????

:D

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

And by the way, I was referring to when you wrote "your bad" for something you thought I was doing wrong. That reminded me of when my kids were in High School. I thought it was kind of funny :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

This will not be the last, ready for more ........lol

PM --- I can't trust u any more :(

"so you are breaking the first rule in debates and conversation so it is your bad"

Are you serious? lol

Maybe there is a language problem or something but I just don't think we are understanding each other. I tried to give you some factual information on what ratings take into consideration because this is something that I have been involved in. I stated first and foremost that every culture is different so applying the values of one to another might not work well. I then used the example of the way cultures respond to violence and nudity.

You think I am criticizing Arabs and applying a double standard. I am saying take responsibility for yourselves and don't buy any stuff you think goes against your values. There can be no double standard when I freely admit that we have problems in our society and that I personally don't support half the junk being marketed to the outside world. The double standard is in you thinking your culture is being corrupted by the West and its products which YOU FREELY PURCHASE AND CONSUME.

Now I really do not have anything else to say and it is late.

Take care.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

dotcom was right

copy from dotcom

///

DotCom said sssssSSShhhhhhhhHHHH ...

one_shot

if u want ur name in most wanted list then challenge their Rulz.

i'm much sure, they will call u , jealous of their culture/way of living/society etc....

Wed, 30/09/2009 - 8:16pm///

dotcom , no this time i have been called silly

before i was idiot , then bigot and now silly

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

people's opinions formed according to 5 factors " i think"

1- raising by community(parents, school , street)

2- religion

3- experience

4-traditions

5- personal opinion.

so it is impossible to see 2 people agree with everything .

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

and it is bad to loose you in this thread , and i am calling you to come back

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

pm , i don't hate western people at all , and i don't have any frustration here .

all i am putting is some ideas to discuss , and if you have no words to say then it is your problem

i am telling you , i hate the "double scale system "

i mean it is good for us bad for you , good for you but it is bad for us .

Please read your comments above especially the first one and look how you stereotype people ," you put yourself in this position not me"

and you will see that i mention that " you are trying to involve the arab ,western issues"

so it is your problem .

but why you are leaving , and why it is now not amusing !!!!

all i can say that you didn't like someone reject your ideas

so you are breaking the first rule in debates and conversation so it is your bad

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

i've no doubt, that u really want ur bed now...... :P

And I am tired of your very selective view of the world so I'll leave you to your delusion that the West is all bad and the Arab world would all be perfect except for the evil West. You obviously didn't really want a discussion of movie ratings anyway. You just wanted another silly way to get out your frustrations about your lot in life.

Good night. And this time I really mean it :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

a nude man kan be more harmful, then a man with weapon, thats why German Police Shoot him.

Pm is woman or man?

anyway it doesn't matter

it is all about their own ideas , and no for others . is that right?

exil saw a beheading in saudi BUT he forgot the qatarian boy who killed in london with brutality 9 moths ago

he saw cutting hands but he forgot about the german who killed the Egyptian women in the court with over 30 wounds on her body , and her husband tried to help her , police shoot him . mmmmmm again

he attacked her , "remove your veil "

is this man saw a nudity Films WHEN HE WAS a KID?

he filled with hatred these days. not before , and he is grown up.

so WHO IS PUTTING THE PHUCING SCALES ABOVE???

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

thursday, i've the working day, so i'm out now :)

I'm much sure, that he's not a western with a western label.

Thats the reason, that i can't argue with my Grand Mom :D

some I agree with; some I don't. I feel the same way about the West: some I agree with; some I don't.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Not me or anyone I know. That is a gross exaggeration to say that people say this, OS. If anything what most people say is "Let women decide how they want to dress themselves". If they choose veil, it is their business. If they choose bikini, it is too.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM , will never get it, unless she find it upto western satisfaction :D

you got my point PM?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

so why the veil is wrong , and the bikini is good

and why nudity is wrong ,and getting away of it is right?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

when i just start learning english , i was ashamed of saying "sexy"

it is another word in english we should open a "topic for it .

How we refer to beautifulness by sex , is that wrong?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

the networks telling your child , no for nudity and it shows that the girl is mooooooooore "sexy" is she were a bikini , mmmmmm

i can't put them both in my small mind :D

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

And again I would suggest that YOU take responsibility for what YOU and YOUR CHILDREN WATCH. You don't have to buy that crap and then pi*s and moan about how the West is not respecting your community by having nudity or kissing in their films. DON'T BUY THEM!!!!!! Watch only Arab movies that send the message you want.

Unless, that is, you were just posting this to begin with to have a reason to trash the West.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

look , veil , abaia , borkini , amama , or even the pakistani clothes , or the indian clothes are covering the body .

Hypocrisy is what i am trying to expose .

western communities are mocking of the other communities acts ,and at the same time they said in the networks

"we have to save the childhood , no violence , no nudity .

how you can protect a childhood that you already raise him to reject the other communities ????

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

Facts remain - there are age restrictions on movies to give the parent's and idea of what the content might contain.

Now, any parent, that doesn't take these into consideration, that is entirely up to them - if they feel that their child is mentally able to handle a movie with an age ristriction, thats their prerogitive.

Contrary to popular belief, we westerners ARE concered with the age our children are exposed to things - and we do worry about things affecting them - but if you have raised your child correctly and they are aware of what is right and wrong and can identify the difference between fantasy and reality, then there should not be any problems.

I have been watching violent and sexual innuendo movies from the time I was about 11 - I am neither a psycopath nor a sex crazed villan - (shock of shocks) - it goes on mental capacity - and the informed right of parents what in their eyes is deemed acceptable for their children to watch.

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

visit www.qaws.org

You play a game one way and then act like a frustrated child going "grrrrr" when Someone does exactly what you are doing.

Sorry, but I am beginning to get bored here because I feel like I am arguing with a kid who just can't even look at anything related to him with any kind of self-critical eye. Instead, kids always want to blame everything on everyone else. Sorry but this attitude and type of discussion is not what I want to get involved in. If you want to keep seeing things the way you have here and cannot open your mind to any other views, then I'll bow out. I only responded initially because I thought I could provide some insight. Apparently, insight is not what you really want.

good night :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

pm , i think we are getting out of the main subject

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

at least he is trying his best to save syria of all the outer attacks

- small reminder:

4 years before , turkey armed their armies on the syrian borders

now you can go to turkey without visa

and the list is looooooooong

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

other to have a civil war. We had one in the 19th century. It can't happen -- even with outside agitators -- without the citizens participating by standing against each other. Sorry I don't buy what you are trying to sell.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

this is what i am trying to tell PM

don't generize againnnnnnn

you arabs(grrrr-full of violence ) we western...etc.

because i have a full archive of similar stories , and you don't want to see

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

(in part because I don't think the war in Iraq is only about oil) but indeed I agree that there are people in my government who are more concerned about their pockets than human life.

And frankly, I don't feel like my government actually SEES me and worries about me. Do you think your government does? You are Syrian? How do you think Bashar Assad sees you? Do you think he even does? Or cares about you and your life? I have no delusions about my government. :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

aaah Pm , you are talking about lebanon

lebanese people are the most peaceful people on earth , and what happened their caused by outer hands , and the similar story you can see in iraq.

it is easy to start a civil war in area , bomb here , bomb there , and finish the story.

so i think civil and religious war also caused by western hands , don't look at me as a man taking a stand against the west

but these are factsss

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

why should some one watch nudity....what is so good in it...Is it teaching you any good...or is anyone learning any thing to better life. Watching such movies for anyone disregarding the age it only leads to bad thoughts...Such movies have created many rapists born, crimes, early pregnancies,many suicide cases etc. There is harldy any positive impact from such censored movies...

If any one feels their physical attitude has problems then the right person is to visit the concerned doctor...

People to earn money has lost self respect and this very well is seen in any country, hollywood, bollywood etc thru out the world...

If you can control your frustration like a mature adult you will see that I am not supporting the marketing of these products to ANYONE. I don't buy them and I don't sell them. And I speak out against people who do.

What are you actually doing? It looks to me like you are just an angry young boy who wants to blame someone else for the world not being the way you want it to be.

BTW, I didn't say Arabs TEACH their kids violence. I said that in the Arab world there seems to be a different view that doesn't feel there is anything wrong with exposing kids to violence, but does think it's wrong to expose them to affection or intimacy between a man and woman, or nudity.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Sorry Pm for these words but till now i think that american and western people sold their sons' blood by 1$ per soul

forget about the pha**cking arabs that they were killed in iraq but in simple calculation we will find

one barrel of petrol =50$

200 litres =50$

200/5(5=the blood in the human being body)= 50 $/5

40 soldier= 10 $

that means for every 4 soldiers we have 1 $

this is what some people in your government see you

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

We have easy availability of guns in the US. We have school violence committed by disturbed people who are most likely influenced by the increasingly violent times we live in.

But you will also not see our cities divided between a Christian and Muslim section with a green zone patrolled by armed militants taking the law into their own hands.

If you want to stereotype, be prepared to live with the results.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

so the history is repeating itself

it is all about money , pushing million of dollars in the movie industry to gain more millions , no matter what the effects are

so these big words about saving childs and blablabla is nothing.

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

My friend

Civil war is a deferent thing , it will cause an endless hate

europe have Hitler also , don't forget .

this is what i mean , you can't refer to arabs that they teach their children violence and at the same time most of the violence products are western.

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

this is what we called IRONY OF LIFE...

what seems to be a taboo in one culture will turn out to be acceptable in the other side of the earth.. i think information should be properly facilated than putting some red line which may tends to promote more complication derived from curiosity

Because they SELL. That's the bottom line. I wouldn't pay for half the crap that my country markets but the Arab world is more than happy to! lol

I actually have a vast collection of world cinema that far outnumbers my Hollywood movies. Out of 1000+ DVDs probably 75% is non-Hollywood. But the rest of the world eats up whatever Hollywood puts out. You don't know how many people I have personally introduced to good Arab, African, Asian, Latin and European cinema. But when I asked what is the latest movie people have seen here, 9 times out of 10 it is some crummy Hollywood drivel like Transformers or The House Bunny. lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

let's go for reality

the violent people that you called "the 3rd world" and the civilized world according to "your sterotype"

i never heard that a child in these countries, held a gun and shot his friends and teachers

this is the reality man.

search the internet and you will see hundred of stories under the name "violence in the school" most of it in the west

this is the reality show

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

I am Western. You can also refer to me as American, because I am American.

If you will not read so defensively you will see that I am saying I think exposure to violence begets violence. We are also exposed to violence in the West. We see it increasing in our society too. The decision to try to curb violence in films is too little to late to me; but yes, I do think it should be done.

It is also pretty typical that people like to always point out the problems they feel were thrust upon them by outsiders, without realizing that in many cases they contributed to those problems, or have even cultivated many of their own problems domestically. If that wasn't the case, why is Algeria, Syria and Lebanon still not peaceful? And why does it take an iron fist to keep Egypt safe?

My country has a bloody history. We fought a war of independence and then a civil war (and those are only 2). BUt I would never use that as an excuse for violence being acceptable or try to blame it on someone else. We all have to start taking responsibility for ourselves at some point. At least that is what I believe.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

you opened this issue Pm and i will ask

look at the violence products , all of them are western products

- video games increase hate against communities against people

grand theif is an exapmle

Action movies are a polite name of " a violent movies "

if you look to eastern movies "indian, arabic, or chineese"

you will see that the top 10 for these people are love stories "clean love stories"

korian , japaneese , turkish , arabic (egyption), indian.

you will see some "action movies but they are following the flow.

in the west : a love story it means a sex scenes involved inside

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

One Shot, I couldn't draw an analogy with the topic.

So "you arabs"

i like it again and again and again(it keep repeating itself)

can i refer to you as western? (because the most thing i hate is generalizing )

any way

Violence produce violence , but if you want to teach your child in the school you have to teach him his own history.

let's take a look

- syria & Lebanon was invaded by france and many many have been killed by french people.

- Jordan , Iraq , Palestine also by UK

-egypt by UK

-aljeria by france

-libia by italy

it was blooded history , the child will look at his own history and he will see that his grand fathers were killed in wars they don't have any relation in .

On the other hand, If you look to the present , we still teaching them that all arabs are brothers but we have something more beautiful than that , ALL MUSLIMS ARE BROTHERS, and you are not a Muslim if you didn't like to your brother what you wish for yourself, and you are not a muslim if your neighbor was hurt by you.

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

I think people that are exposed to such violence as a norm, tend to find it easier to accept and it results in less respect for human life. I don't see this as a positive thing.

And brit, I don't subscribe to the PC notion of "It's all about different norms for different societies" but I fully expected that response from you. If that were true, then pedophilia or murdering someone for their tennis shoes would be acceptable. I don't think they EVER are.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

These warnings/ cautions are from hollywood based on scientific research and studies based on psychological experiments...rest all just follow!

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

Brit, why did you go to watch such an hideous thing?

Were you invited by someone?

I hve witnessed a beheading in saudi, and there were children present.

It's all about different norms for different societies..

The MPAA never put a +16 or other even-numbered age bracket rating. Only odd numbers like PG-13, PG-15, NC-17 or R.

Ok so maybe I can also blame the Aussies for using the same code. LOL

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

PM, in some countries in ME, they amputate hands for stealing! They carry out these retributions in public!Even kids are allowed to watch. So kids in these parts are considered hard enough to watch these scenes.

I remember a graphic scene in the movie "Blood Diamond" where they chop off the hands of a man.

So the society here doesn't object to exposing their kids to such violent scenes because they are mentally tough enough for it.

your child to brief flashes of limited nudity or people showing affection, than exposing your child to violence and disturbing themes.

However in the Arab world you have a different view and think there is nothing wrong with exposing your kids to graphic violence. Many psychologists would counter that this exposure to violence is reflected in cultural attitudes in the Arab world (i.e., an acceptance of violence, danger and political and social instability). Who knows?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

18 year old is significant. These are the factors that are taken into consideration with regard to movie ratings. However, culture also impacts maturity. That's why a rating system applicable to one society doesn't necessarily translate to another.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

views as material that can be handled psychologically by people of a certain age. The problem is that every culture is, of course, different. In other words, ratings applied in the US to American movies would not necessarily apply here.

For example, in the US we rated Blood Diamond as R because of it's violence and themes. So no one under 17 is allowed to see it without permission of their parent or guardian. We take the psychological harm of exposure to violence pretty seriously, although we don't see kissing or even implied (not graphic) sexuality as damaging.

Here in Doha, I went to see Blood Diamond and the rating system was not enforced. Numerous Qatari women were taking their little children to see this movie, where children were killing people and the most graphic violence was on display. There is a scene in the film where 2 characters kiss, and THAT was cut out here in Doha.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

what i mean

i think we are soooo selfish because we put our own "entertainment" ahead before our childs saftey

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

so we should really put the limits for the childs regarding nudity views .

but till now i didn't got my answer,

but make 18 years old different from 12

and what will happen if we expose the child to full time nudity .

everybody agree with me that we shouldn't but really what is wrong if we did?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

Everything that children see or hear in the media early on in their lives affects them in some way. Positive parenting role models indicate that in the best interest of our children we should limit their exposure to violent acts. Unfortunately, sex and violence is one of the most popular forms of entertainment. Over sixty percent of television shows being shown in prime time contain some form of violence. There are two very opposite sides of this issue. The media who market the violent television, video games and other forms of entertainment argue this is safe entertainment and the others argue that violence promotes violence...when chidren get exposed to the extremes...they start feeling a sense of comfort around those things...

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

waw

dot com, i didn't intend to attack anybody.

but i know that some people don't like Dotcom ideas in a land of free opinion

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

are u trying to convince me that 25 years old is wiser than 12 years old regarding the above issue?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

so what will happen if a 12 years old boy see a movie with sexual contents, and the 25 years old man.

what are the differences ???

and if another study proved the opposite would we follow it?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

...profiling of a large number of people under various age groups. The age limits that we

see are the result of experements related to the impact of various scenes/content on the mind of these individuals.

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)