I don't want to be a Qatari girl!!

How foolish that is of you SuperWoman. Just because you were not allowed in a stupid club, you hate your origin?Why dont you look on the brighter side of it? I mean of being a Qatari.    

why does this thread keep re-appearing??

(((-----And god forbids she did something her parents don’t agree on, she will either be honorably killed or beaten severely-----)))...... are you sure your a Qatari? i have lived in Qatar all my life and never for once i heard of any such thing! ( HNOR KILLING!! WHAT A JOKE!! ))...... i should call you super-liar not superwoman and 2 words of advice for you ( GET REAL )

If you "don't believe" then you are not a Muslim. You are what Allah called them (Munafqeen منافقين) because you choose what you like to do and leave what you don't like. My dear, Islam is not just saying the Shahada by your tongue and doing the five pillars like a robot and showing others (Riyaa'رياء). People like you have been around even when Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him was alive. So don't consider yourself to be a special or new case. الله يهديج إن شاء الله

what happen now to superwoman?

I hate it every moment, but at the end, I was enjoying the easy money with PPPLLLEEEEAAASSSSUUUURRREEEE.

btw

u,ll never find a person (atleast not on earth) who,s happy for being who he/she is.

like me just take all these things as a test or think this may happen in near future.

or

u can change the way u think of all these things,

I wish i was a woman and not a man :O(

i think its the longest forum in this site...

I could always learn for free, how to be a shapeshift. No need to get out of the country,

It goes on and on - the thread that keeps on giving

Nothing is impossible in this world...Whatsoever may be the law.Moreoften laws were broken in where they are very strict...I know its not easy but surely within the reachhhhhhh .I hope i can take this up with you in near future..

Poor girl superwoman.

Do you think a human should always get whatever he or she wants. I dont think so.

For those who are trying to say about freedom to do whatever you like to do; why you think that a human should be allowed to do whatever he or she is willing to do? what for are courts and governments, if that is the case. Why are we all requesting for a law or constitution. Is it always correct and true what we feel or interpret?

IF YOUR COUNTRY NO DEMOCRACY NO LIFE..

by of this type thinking i think you need the america or british nationality but rember arab is nation which are the precious (كريم) in the world and nobody compare the arabs..........

other wise listen if you want to go to the club there is no like this type of rule in club like what you say that other friend your other nationalty goes i will take you till that take care..........

hahahhaaaaaaaaa

by of this type thinking i think you need the america or british nationality but rember arab is nation which are the precious (كريم) in the world and nobody compare the arabs so the muslims rule are not made by men it was made by GOD ......

other wise listen if you want to go to the club there is no like this type of rule in club like what you say that other friend your other nationalty goes i will take you its my callage that i will enter you

hahahhaaaaaaaaa fk

Oooopz @ Well Said !!!

Miss gucci,

The world doesn't need Superwoman's facts, to have an idea of certain societies / cultures inability to adapt to the XXI century.

Superwoman, i jus wanna say tat " U r Maskharaa "

Hunni,

Dont see life the wrong way!

you have so many other things u can do.

And i dont think ur a real qatari =)

Just trying to make qataris and muslims look bad!

11o4 comments here

can u guess how many comments on this topic?

That explains a lot about the way women are treated around here, if you do. Shame on YOU for not being able to control yourself mate ;)

Ya Allah!!! superwoman what you are trying to say if you want to be a free woman yalla go ahead but dont talk like this about Muslims or Arabs if u you think the freedom to leave ur hejab do it dont b afraid of ur family cuz u dont afraid of Allah so why do u care. if u wanna b half naked woman and b an object to tease men yalla do it and u wanna b free u can b every night with a dirty man shame on you

;)

A society that would be so predictable, would be a society of automatons.

She's not Qatari for sure...

Really.. You poor soul.. hitting the walls... dying for attention..

Really feel sorry for an imposter like you..

Qatari girls are really proud of what they are and how they are raised...

Thanks God.. I'm a Qatari girl who can have the best of everything while being protected.. cared for... provided for if ever needed.. and so much more, just like a princess, but of course you wouldn't know.. for you not a "REAL" Qatari girl!!

Qatari girls' goals are to be great daughters.. wives.. mothers... and to have great roles in Qatar's progress and development..

But unfortunately, there are no ambitious Qatari girls that would ever have such "great goals" as yours dear!!!!!!!...

So go on... Hope you achieve them...!!!!

I think it's more about wanting the same freedom of choice the men have here.

instead of looking to get an education and a proper career the interest is in being a drunarkd in the club...interesting goals.

if v cant do what v want then whats the meaning of life?

if others controls our life, if others decide what v do, what v should not do, then its better to die....

if v live our life, v must b happy, enjoy life and v should not regret 4 anything....

dont compare this with animals.

i am talking abt humans.....

a lot of fake accounts here and superwomen maybe now is drunk in one of the bars in Europe

hehehe

ruby congratulate her, but she will thank you back when she will be awake

i think in the morning hehehe

ms superwoman i congratulate you for expressing your opinions and wanting to be free and have the rights do to as you please same as everyone else whether a man or woman. but dont be rash and dont be annoyed about not being allowed in a bar. that is just a small thing but rather focus your passion on something else like what mandilulur has suggested.

good post jasjar

a girl on qatarliving your post will be deleted with that message.

my post was deleted..

that is not what i posted there.

If a woman covers her hair it does not mean what is in her mind will change.

Warning!

This is not a Dating site

..so the definition of success is being without rules like animals :) doing whatever comes to ur mind..drinking , having sex with any person, spending as much as u can on ur pleasre..good then..thank god there r qatari women who made a lot of successes and still they have good religion, and they r "covered" and..

"الله يهديج..صج بنتم تحت اذا كثروا البنات الي مثلج"

u know y? because woman will tranfer her thoughts to all the generations after her.. gd luck, u have time to think :)

it's simple you are living in a Muslim country so you have to follow its rules and wear hijab, or go to any other country those dont beleive in hijab and have fun over there, but put in mind the life after.

My other option is getting a fake ID may work.

but seriously do you drink? OMG i dont beleive it.

Exiledsaint you rock :o)

Yes, leave this place and fly away to wider spaces where you can experience life to the full.

Leave your family, friends, culture, history behind in this hell hole of a restrictive society.

There are clearly differences between the benefits and drawbacks of being a man versus a woman and as a guy I will never be able to truely understand your position.

It's refreshing to hear from someone who was born here, but refuses to get brainwashed into believing that freedom is a bad thing.

Englishbloke, it's good to keep positive, but with only one chance to live, I don't think anyone should force themselves to be complacent with the rubbish this girl has to put up with.

With that said, if I were you I would bail out of this place as quickly as you could and never look back. Ever.

Yeah we love Superwoman get out of here!!

My dear, always remember that no matter how bad you think things are, they can always get a whole lot worse!!

Concentrate on the positive aspects of your life.it will bring you more happiness.

Keep smiling.

irani woman is always superwoman LOL

Well superwoman you probably added another 100 people on the I hate exiledsaint list with that comment.....

I love you guys reading your posts is fun I look forward to hear more opioions

@ robertothebrave I loved when u said: You can't say that you love your women and you protect them by keeping them safe and do that by discriminating against them.

The animals in the zoo are safe but you cannot say they are free....

@ exiledsaint u ROCK

@ exiled, I totally agree with you.

That is so wrong, the law needs to be consistent for everybody regardless of their religious convictions.

@ exiled : Not true, the same article about the American, also mentioned a Qatari who got sentenced to one month in jail and 40 lashes for being intoxicated and being a public nuisance by shouting in public. So it appears they will let a Western expat escape practically free of any serious charges for drunk driving and crashing, but will lash and imprison Qataris for being a nuisance in public while intoxicated.

kbaisi, fully agree with you. Bars should be available for all but there should be tough penalties for those that drink and drive. The police should set up road blocks every now and then and breath test people at random.

If they give you the freedom to drink you should not abuse it and put people's lives at risk.

(Maybe the reason they do not do it, is they are worried they will catch too many Qataris...)

Another thing that is related to the topic, I think if Qatar wants to legalize alcohol, they should also put up measures to ensure people are responsible when they drink, because quite frankly the are not many in place. As much as I hear about Qatar suffering from the 'land cruiser syndrome', I never hear anyone talking about the 'drunk driving expats syndrome', I have seen this happening frequently and it's just ridiculous. I also recall reading an article in the newspaper of an American who got no jail time for crashing while driving drunk, all he got was a warning, such light sentences are regular if the offense is DUI and the perpetrator is from a Western nation.

If they can't control these idiots and punish them adequately, then perhaps they should take the Kuwait approach and keep the country dry, but they won't do that for obvious reasons, so therefore they need more police to make sure the roads are safe, day and night, as opposed to having them staking out parking lots to issue tickets for parking violations.

You guys are missing the point here, the fact is Qatar is always trying to transform itself into the 'modern' state, and one of the fundamentals of such states is the idea of equality before the law for everyone who is subjected to the law, you can't have laws applied to some and not to others. Either they ban alcohol and clubs for everyone, or legalize it for everyone, this whole selective application of the law hits at the credibility of the state in respect to discrimination. Some will say yeah but drinking/clubbing is 'bad' for them, well if it is bad for them, then it should be bad for everyone, you can't have it 'good' for some but 'bad' for others.

You are right and you have right to be frostrated. Change always come from within. I am an executive in here and I witness some very brave Qatary woman who take stand for what they believe. It is hard, dificult, but they do it, slowly smothly and gently, life gives you lemmon then make lemmonade. Migle with expet and join their party with them, no need to clubing. We can chat more.

I feel sorry for you but look at the positive sides always. enjoy life and by the way, I like your mentality, majnouni bas mahdoumi.

Superwoman, U have a bright future as long as you know what you want from this life and you know how to enjoy your time.

go Clubbing to lebanon w ra7 tombosti aktar.

so long

..exiledsaint, no, not Egyptian either. He/she is just fake.

....Actually I find the topic very interesting. It sheds light on a very thorny bar/club rule that I myself find very shameful and harmful.

I've also noticed the author of this thread has not condoned alcoholism or illicit relationships, last I checked (I haven't been readying this thread for months).

Genesis it's not often I disagree with you but from what you are saying it seems other locals what to put peer pressure on this lady to shut up. Maybe what she says goes against other people's beliefs but that is no reason for others to want to silence her.

The world would be a boring place is we were all sheep and followed the herd

Well, I think you should have some courtesy to others in what you express in here

As many locals find your writings disturbing & distasteful And have expressed that in other local internet forums.

This is giving QL a bad hype

why the hell why I say my name? would u ?

DaRuDe u stupid!!

Oh no superwoman I am convinced you are Qatari

so whats your name

Thank you you are welcome :P

ahh seriously I don't have to prove nothing to u I'm Qatari whether u like it or not its so funny because no one thinks that its even possible which of course makes me feel so flattered everyday thank u thank u

How do you know that happy? Is she Egyptian?

.........The author of this thread is not Qatari.

I C uncontrolled little girl making some noise...

ready to HANDLE IT

@superwoman: if you feel so strongly about this, why don't you bring about change in your country, its your country right, it will take time, but talk to your countrymen/women and find out how you can resolve it given the constraints within this country.

I am not saying revolt, but change the people. It's harder but more nobler than a simple revolution.

I wish you all the best in your endeavor to change people's minds - trust me it will change but slowly. Give it time!

independent and liberated...old calls..do what u want is theory for isolated people..go to a place where u will get what u want...ql wont change anything

best suggestion is to get a suggestion from me aka lemontree in private

Good point WK. One girl wants some freedom to make her own choices and te men get scared. They resort to throwing insults about and attacking anyone who is sympathetic to her plight. The strange thing is these people kinda prove the point she is trying to make in the first place......

lol how did QL become racist if one girl wants to go out:-/

this is not only your problem dear.... this is the problem of all the BAD girls (am not using the actual word coz dn wanna get banned, but u cn understand whts it)

so the BAD grl hv this problem bcz thy r by nature bitc***,

and these bitc*** dnt really care that bcz of their attitude and lack of shame ISLAM is losing respect..

wht if i ask u tht wht problem u hv in wearing an abaya??

does it really itches ur bloody parts???

and all these ppl frm diffrnt relegion r geting involved and excited tht ISLAM'S reputation is being ruined...

only bcuz on this b****

so racist QL is....

thats is really bad,i understand your stuatuation, muslim arab people their culture is verry sacred and you really have to follow, i understand that, unlike the christians, we christians as long we know what is right and wrong we can do whatever we want ..

Dj_EdiL

Superwoman rocks!!! and this is still going, fantastic...

Does the Arabic say martinis all round including the women and let's dance?

Frog do you becomes prince or you womens hater

They hate you as you pretty tell them go away bad mens

I love you Qatari girl! You my top friendly!

Well not long ago the same rule used to apply to qatari males, and yes it is annoying if you plan an outing with foreign friends and they let all of them in except you because of your nationality...in your own country! Who knows, maybe it will change for women like it do for Qatari men.

keep going on like that, you are a very good writer superwoman.. rules here is for all, even for us men.. because we are not qataris.. but i feel how much pain you have. the freedom is the most sacrist thing we can have in our life.. write.. speak.. say what ever you want.. and do not listen to all who say shame on you girl how can you think like that.. you are right in all your ideas.. best regards

'Drinking, Clubbing is not only the part of life and all countries in World do prohibit woman,'

Really? Not something I've seen in a lot of countries, in fact I would say the countries of the gulf of the exception.

Not all countries are called the motherland, Germany for instance is known as the Fatherland but that really is a stupid point. Names mean nothing, they are just propaganda for the weak and the disadvantaged.

A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty"

Negative thoughts!

You hate to be a Qatari Girl?! Because you are restricted probably prohibited for fantasy! Drinking, Clubbing is not only the part of life and all countries in World do prohibit woman, (probably it may be little severe here).

A country is represented by Women. Country in not called fatherland, it is called Motherland. Apparently they have their values and they are indeed respected. Being a Muslim, girl you have more value, you may not be aware, the respect you get in public and with international community.

GCC rapidly coming up with Women's right. Be proactive; avoid proving yourself in diminishing factors. None in this world come easy my friend. The taste of victory lies in your struggle. Word hard, focus to achieve great heights, as you say in this men dominated society. Margret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi... there are so admirable Women in this world.

You have a great role model in here. The first lady of Qatar HH Sheikha Mozha. She has been named as one of Forbes' 100 Most Powerful Women at #79. She is one in top 10 best dressed people in 2009. She takes the Culture, Heritage all along with her.

Sheikha Maha has been appointed first Judge in Qatar.

Life is only made up of Positive thoughts. Negatives will ruin you and your circle. When find time, run through a book "Law of attraction

allam,

closing doors is a way of closing eyes ;)

Is this something to be discussed on QL???

People should not discuss about their religion or cast in public as these are very personal matters....if soemone is not happy then do what makes you happy...

Nothing is forced on anyone!!

But not make yourself appear low in front of the whole mob by discussing these issues!!

Nic,

The other who close his eyes by himself. There is no one can close other's eyes.

allam,

glad you understand, so never try to close other's eyes ;)

That is exactly what I mean Nic,

Those who are born blind, can't see what they are missing ;)

Isolation from "threats" instead of education to face the world?

That is why women in this region remain in a dormant passive and subjugated position:

The bad news is that a serious deficit in women's rights persists in every country in the MENA region.

In no country in the world can women claim to have all the same rights and opportunities as men. But according to Sanja Kelly, the project's director, "it is in the MENA region that the gap between the rights of men and those of women has been the most visible and severe.

Women face gender-based discrimination in personal-status laws, which regulate every aspect of family life. Gender-based violence also remains a significant problem," said Sanja Kelly in her introduction to the report.

http://www1.voanews.com/policy/editorials/middle-east/In-MidEast-Womens-Rights-Progress-87709372.html

All Superwoman is asking for is equal treatment in front of the law is that no so hard to see?

As for her being a mulsim and being protected by this discrimination, then surely the Qatari men are muslims too and should be banned from entering anywhere that sells alcohol.

You can't say that you love your women and you protect them by keeping them safe and do that by discriminating against them.

The animals in the zoo are safe but you cannot say they are free....

"there is a fine line between opression and protection"true...there is also a fine line between"freedom of choice" and "abuse" .Iam not muslim, but what I gather frm here is that the rules they have [the basic rules]are for the better lives / protection of women and all pple concerned.It is the fanatic explanations of pple that cause the problem.

Superwoman, going to clubs with your friends for fun is fun , but can get problematic as well depending on the type of pple u deal with , look at the situations in the west where it is the norm.I throughly understand that inspite of the many rules imposed in any society, pple will remain human with all of it's vices, and here these are done secretivly.

The trick my dear is to find a happy choice between essential freedom and non esential abuse of too much freedom, keeping within the specific teaching of the religion of course,not it's adaptations by the society.

You can be HOT or COLD to me, spare me LUKEWARM!!!!

allam,

Those who are borne blind, can't see what they are missing ;)

just gather some place and party at some1z place..i don't undrstand y is it sooo necesaary for clubbing..

i remember once with my friends parking the car by the beach and dancing to the tunes..

sometimes u need to let it go if you don't have the guts to stand against the system, because the system is right..

Nic Don't you feel sad. I'm really happy with my wide world.

allam,

Your world is quite narrow. It’s sad that your upbringing didn’t allow you to see more than that!

you have got money , go for a change ...

Just settle down in France :P

freedom or Immoral

Superwoman i believe in you and agree... her point only the qatari rule is too unfair for a women... nothing can do for a religions its the goverment rules and whyyyyy that they made the rules not equally... freedom freedom freedom anybody is goal . . . good to hear that some qatari women standing what they beleiving thats is fighting for freedom

CALL ME IF U WNAT TO KNOW WAHT AR U SAID :

5571303

taking care?!... O_o

there is a fine line between "protection" and "oppression"!

greeting to Qatar, for taking care of girls.

Thanks to the western media? Ah yeah, lets blame the west again as if the eastern media and governments don't have their own agenda. They are all pure of heart and full of good intentions...

you said inshallah. The same Allah whose path u don't wanna follow. U r just a confused person. Thanks to the western media. Just read Quran and start following the teachings of our prophet before its too late.

Incase you don't care about all of the above, then contact me. I know people who will let you in the club with no problems.

I think you are not a qatari women

So. is it a wish or what!!!

Or would you like to marry me lets have fun, I will ride you on a long distance drive in my Pajero, by the way which is your favourite drink, let me know which club you want to visit I will take you there, don't be ignorant!! PM me your comments,

Or would you like to marry me lets have fun, I will ride you on a long distance drive in my Pajero, by the way which is your favourite drink, let me know which club you want to visit I will take you there, don't be ignorant!! PM me your comments,

Clearly U all are jeolous...Poor u ...U had to leave ur countries and work here... but too sad and very upsetting that u don't respect life here and try hard to spread bad reputition about Qataries..

Under_taker , its enough for me to know that u r (dayyooth) and I have no intrest in knowing about ur ladies.

:p

You must go to the hospital ,Seriously ,If you are really Qatari ,You must visit an psychological doctor to help you understand how to live here

out of interest what do you do since you can't go to any of the clubs or bars? Shop?

I'm curious as to the kind of social life you guys (girls) have.

Let's go for 2000 replies.

The answer to her post was quite simple. Yes there is sexual discrimination between Qatari men and women on who is allowed to enter bars and night clubs. However we now have over a thousand replies of many ignoring the point and just attacking her character and doubting her nationality.

That's says to me you guys have a lot to hide

Hahahaha u made me laugh ...

I just want u to know that at least egyptian women they do wut they want and they live their lives the way they wanted and we are not hiding anything ...

Do u want me to tell you about arabs and what they do when they go to Egypt???

hahahahaha .. u r a real psycho .. and don't try to threaten me .. cuz i know how u look like when u go to Egypt. even the mouse is much braver than u ..

abraham123,

who are you to judge and to threaten people?

God is not sleeping and he will punish you for the evil you revealed in your comments!

why do you feel so uncomfortable with the topic or the author's nationality?

fiction or not, the world knows the reality of societies like this one.

No point trying to hide anything or to silent anybody.

too late, we all know!!!!

I will once I catch U and u will c.

uuh indians too childish

This untrue and try to mix egypt and Doha, I stromgly advise u to go and fix ladies in ur country rather than writing a HUGE comment like this behind the screen like a mouse...

and plz plz plz Don't make me tell stories about Women in Cairo and let me leave them in peace.

This is so Funny that an Egypyion talk aboout Qatari women's integrity...hahaha

ur post was the dumpest ever post i have ever seen.

Her post was so true and she is showing the real image that you Qataris are trying to hide.

Guys dont we have anything better than this to discuss... What will be the out come of such a talk...

Will u get what u want??? or will u get a thousands of answers.... which will confuse u more and more...

Anyway u shud decide wat u wanna do.... we cant change any law for our needs... we have to walk accordingly...

Lot of comments here might have guided u, but more than those must have misguided u....

Allah has Given us brains to decide between Good and Bad... the Decision is ours....

Try and take things positively.... it helps a lot...

Keep smiling.... Life is precious...

abraham you are psycho too..

You can get me deported for that comment, I DONOT CARE!!!!!

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Clearly u r not A QATARI CITIZIN and obviously u r trying helplessly as (some) hopeless QL members to distort Qatari's lady picture and this will be as far as the star to U.

becareful of CID agent who are spread nowadays in this site only to catch malignants like u and to tear u to pieces.

wt is it that make u burn from the inside and write an imaginary, unreal and of course unbelievable story like this. I hopt its not the LV or HERMES bag that u can't afford to carry. or it it because they r treated like queens here???!!

LOL u r PSYCHO

stop this rubbish talk....

i think its now the time for stop this session.

let her wait for the govt. approval.

sorry sooperwoman

Ok enough superwoman you want to drink, come let's have drinks :P

robertothebrave I think we can touch 2000, just need to have faith ;-)

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thank you your post was great thanks ignore for not being an ignorant

"Superwoman to the rescue"

leon_menezes2000,

You don’t need a residential permit to enter bars in Qatar.

Any tourist holding any passport (except females with Qatari passport) may enter any bar. All you need is your original passport, copies are not accepted.

I know Qatar is bad, but not to that extent for us foreigners ;)

Well commong guys i think she deserves a right to speak and we are here to help her with the same

Well superwoman all i can say for now is that i am new to qatar just here a few days back and its the same case in the UAE

but i would suggest having a good friend circle where you could make it for house parties

I was not allowed into a club my self as i did not have a residential permit that sucks too doesnt it

Which mean if I came here on a tourism Visa i would not get a chance to enter a club WOW!! that would be fun

but i guess for now im on house parties :)

Marboosh,

If she didn’t have a point, why so many people belonging to a certain believe, feel so uncomfortable with the issue?

If you have nothing to hide allow others to say what theu think, allow free speech like any progressive societies does!

Don’t miss the train, otherwise it will cost you dearly to catch up with the rest of the world!

The world knows what you are trying to hide!

Too late, this post says it all!

;)

O no this thread has only 1010 comments.

this is the longest one right now going on for last 3years

with 1389 comments.

http://www.qatarliving.com/introduceyourself

This thread should be on the front page now, as the longest thread ever at QL!!!

She may not be a superwoman but she gets people super excited...... can we push for 2000?!??!?!

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i know khattak

a lot of threads has been deleted,but why not this one

and some of people has lost their ID's because of it!!!!

and some has been deported because they were attacking Islam or arabs.

and it is still alive ,where is the mods?

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

Damn..... this useless shit stirring thread is still alive

----------------------------------------------------------------Give me some SunShine......Give me some Rain

Give me another Chance...I wanna grow up once Again

maybe she is a qatari, maybe not. one thing's for sure. she has a great idea how a qatari women live her life in her own country

That's a good point medoha. Superwoman you aren't really missing anything by not going to the clubs here.

roberto you remember any other 1000 plus posts thread except the introductions one :P

"Live with passion, Die with style"

I understand how you feel so disappointed in own country

You are the country woman, do not get right and the foreigner woman get right.

Don’t wait until the law is changed and waste your

youthful energy for such double standard.

I don’t think the clubs here are so fantastic. Go clubs in Dubai or other countries.

Yeah over 1000 replies, which indicates to me this is a subject two sides feel passionatley about and that there is an issue with women's rights in the Arab world

in this silly and loooong and usless thread thread

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

i just wanted to be number 1000 comment

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

No, I believe she did. And here you go again with the same shit, still beating that dead horse.

You're definition of free may be different than mine. So keep that in mind.

Why run around in circles ? What you're essentially saying is that we're being held back because of Islam. I don't agree with that. You're living in an Islamic country, if you or your friend superwoman don't like it then you can find another country that agrees with your obscene philosophy on life. There's nothing holding you back. You are not held here against you're will nor you're the prisoners you're claiming to be.

Let me put it to you this way. I don't care for your opinion. I think that you're the one that is brain washed into thinking you're better than everyone else. I also don't care for you method of getting your point across.

Now it's important to keep this civilized. So let me say that it's your personal opinion, don't try to force it on others.

Marboosh,

No she did not get the point across. Many many other girls and boys here in the Gulf will never be free, at least for the next few decades and maybe centuries.

Mentalities are still to retrograde (in the name of culture and religion preservation)!

It’s sad, but it’s a reality to many inhabitants in the Gulf and the worse is that most of them are carefully brain washed removing their ability to see their own trap.

Note: This oppression is not necessarily caused by religion. Other Muslim country out of the GCC, tend to be more in line with modern societies of the XXI century.

It’s a well known sad reality, often debated by experts outside GCC. Unfortunately those debates and the real perception of the world towards these archaic societies rarely are exposed in GCC and therefore do not exercise any pressure on those in power.

That is why these societies are so underdeveloped and their people can’t compete in the international stage.

All the best for those who are able to awake from their enclosures!

This thread is too old. You got your point across so let it go.

Jeez, it's like beating a dead horse.

WK don't let it rest in peace, its nearly 1000 replies!

Live the way you want to and now let this thread rest in peace.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

"Superwoman to the rescue"

I chose to say the truth I’m better than you cowards pretend to be prefect all the time well I’m not and if you keep me in a prison all my life still wont be perfect I will wait for my chance to be free and I know I won’t be =great but I don’t mind I want to choose I want freedom I want to die trying but I’m too scared because of u but I will overcome that one day with the right help from the right people , I don’t care if a fail or succeed in the life I’m freedom I’m seeking I just want to go do it after all this is how u learn with experience! I’m not going to be here forever so I will live this life to the fullest in time :-D

According to your law men and women are not equal, men is the protector

OK I will help the march to a 1000......

superwoman walks among us, but only she knows the true path to salvation.....

Two more posts and it will reach 1000!!!!

If someone is laughing, laugh with him,

If someone is singing, sing with him,

If someone is working, let him work!

If there's a will there's a way. Simple Superwoman forge your id.Say get a fake lebanese, egyptian, syrian id. That is very easy nowadays especially if your aim is just to go clubbing.

In the clubs light is dark so its tougher to detect a counterfeit pataka's.

Also I shall leave you to your stupid insulated life.

worst time pass

So how many men your wife slept with before she choosed you?! and how many women you slept with before you married her?!

Oh My.. 985 comments on this???

If that bouncer ever reads this thread, he will start thinking I should have allowed that girl in...

"Live with passion, Die with style"

Superwoman,

Your post shows lots of anger towards the country but I think your anger should be towards your parents rather than Qatar

You make Qatar sound like it's in the stone age, everything and everybody changed dear but few only "few" people are still the same. And I'm sorry that you live in a family that you don't fit in. As I know lots of Qatari girls studying abroad and acting as free at they want in and out of Qatar

As for the religion, it's a shame that your a Muslim.. you should covert because after what you wrote I don't think you're considered a Muslim, if your passport says that you are that is not necessarily it.

Regards,

You are very poor at debate, so I shall leave you to your sad insulated life.

I mentioned that "The US spend money in making weapons, and send some to Israel … and I mentioned the homeless in the US why you did not respond to that?! I know becouse it's true and you are so stupid to understand it!!

qatar's per capita income is 2nd highest in the world mainly because of its less population and comparatively high national revenue...

So the US has more money. You know nothing of GDP per capita of which Qatar is the highest in the world. Have you ever wondered why nearly all the locals drive hire end luxuary cars and most familes have 3 plus cars? Do you thunk it is because of all the world beating businesses here or because of a lot of hydrocarbons in the ground?

You should consider yourself lucky to be rich because of the accident of your birth in Qatar rather than make stupid statements like women getting raped in public. Just because the newspapers here don't report it don't think it doesn't happen.

Come on nearly a 1000 replies!

Superwoman, my wife and I are with you. I've been in many places and I've checked many religions and cultures. After 3 years in Saudi I realize is not only women suffering under the same regime but guys as well. Double face culture is here everywhere, even in my office where they favored locals and not expat but we are all "staff"...and at the end of the day, we're the one keeping the company up!

Unfortunately it is a matter of mind set to fight against to and is not worthy. This kind of regime does not understand that love and education is what you need to differentiate good from evil and not repression. No matter what muslims replied to your original letter, I am very sure they know and agreed, in some level, what you said.

What you can do, if you have resources, is to get the academic knowledge you may need and working experience and aim for another place to carry on the life you deserve. I've done it already being for more than 10 years out of my home country and it's not on my plans to come back yet. I'll get another nationality pretty soon.

Best regards

The US has more money than all of the Gulf countries … but they choose to spend it in making weapons and send some to Israel to kill the Palestinians so the Jewish leave America and Europe and move to Palestine … but what had happed that most of the Jewish that moved to Palestine were from poor countries like Russia, Poland, East Germany and some from African countries.

The rich Jewish opened business only and they went back to Europe and to US, because smart business people will not live in a country with big budget shortage that reach to an avg. of 6 billion dollars every year !! The US sends billion and billion of dollars and free weapons so Israel survive.

I have been to a lot of European countries, China and the Far East, I never saw in any country so many homeless people like I saw in America… don’t you think that US government should spend some money on those poor people first…none of the pollutions care about them or about why the US helps Israel with billon of dollars, simply the Jewish are controlling the media and the economy sector.

Vivaaaaa Italiaaaaaa !!

No one is perfect here!! ... I am glad to see you among us and welcome to DOHA Soon!!

i totally agree :) i am new to Islam, and i abandoned my previous life with full knowledge and no regrets, and i am happy and proud of being a Muslim. I may not be perfect yet, but i want to learn at my own pace with calm and serenity :) plus, i might be moving to doha in the summer because of my husband's job and you know what ? i can't wait !!!! peace be upon you :)

I am glad to see that from a real Qatari female!!

I'm glad there are people like you guys!

''Ask me NO questions, & I'll tell you NO lies :)''

Where is the smart ambitious beautiful and ridiculously fashionable Qatari Superwomen!!

I have been in England for 8 yrs and in the US for 2 yrs. I have to say that Women have all the freedom to go clubbing but on the other hand they get rapped on public on daily basis, treated like slaves, a women never feel save walking alone at night in these countries. Here , women are treated like queens.... we got to admit it.. Don't fool ppl around and give wrong facts about Qatari society

So Pathetic.... I'd be the dumbest guy on the planet if I believe your story. You must be a foreigner who hates Qatar..

I am sure you will not pass grade one, if you study in Arabic school !!

You want me to understand the world according to your or the west standards… Well that is not going to happen because I lived there and I in counted all the misery behind it.

I never mentioned that you wrot that you want to change Qatari culture!! ...

I am happy with my reading skills it got me a BS in Engineering (with 3.11 avg.) from an American Un.

Now you don’t have a problem with the way Qataris wish to live, what changed your mind? Now you started to use you head!! Good will keep it that way!!

Crime is on the rise in Qatar because in 2003 the population of Qatar was 650,000… only 205,000 are Qatari… it jumped to 1,600,000 in 2008 and Qatari became 220,000 only. Most of the crimes that were committed were by Asian nationality; Qatari who committed crimes is less than 1%.

Teenage pregnancy … is not an issue here, because we don’t have sex freedom like you have …but it will be an issue if we allow people like you and like “Superwomen” who she is none Qatari and speaks in behalf of the Qatari women, and wants Qatari girls to fool around and drink, have boyfriends and get pregnant with children outside marriage maybe from one or two different men and may catch Aids!! That’s not acceptable, if that is called freedom than the hell with freedom.

You mentioned that our Government only allow some of the news to be published and not others we have internet and satellites channels to get news from, but again do you think having you daughter photo in a newspaper telling the public that this teenage got drank and screwed by a boy that made her pregnant will make you happy!! Maybe you will call that freedom!! But Qatari we call that Shameful!!

No one asked you to close you eyes?!... but close your mouth and mind your own business when it comes to our religion and culture!! We don’t want anther Dubai here!! Just concentrate on how you catch dogs (wow what a job)!! I am proud to be a Qatari and spoon fed by Qatari … studding abroad toot me how fake is your freedom!!

keep trying, one day you'll get somewhere ;)

One big difference between Qatar and the US. Qatar has lots and lots of money to lavish on their population.

If the poor Americans had the same opportunities, zero unemployment, paid university, free elec and water, free land, guaranteed promotions at work etc.... then I am sure the level of crime would be low, teenage pregnancy etc....

Yemen has a similar culture to Qatar but zero money and look at the problems they have there. Ditto Somalia.

StarQatar,

You know why I called you a kid from Qatar?

Because your understanding of the world is very very limited (don’t worry it will get better if you continue to study hard).

And your reading skills are not that great either.

Where did I write that I want Qatari culture to change?!

O_o

Dont know why you want to go to a club for , what is there to do there anyway , get some speakers put on your faviourte songs and dance it away in your room . well if you hate it here in qatar why dont you go to any western country once a year or twice a year and do whatever you want to do if you feel restricted here . I just dont see the things that you will get from all this and its a waste of time , i guess you might be so young and full of energy and think this is the right way to go , i am sorry its not . you will realiase it when its too late

Qatari-femme,

Nobody here is telling anybody to do or to be whatever!

You are just a lucky Qatari girl who has the chance to do whatever somewhere else (even though you chose not to).

The only discussion that is going on here is about the girl who wrote the initial post, who represents the oppressed Qatari girls who wished they had more individual freedom of choice!

And not about anybody who wants Qatari culture to change. No non-Qatari gives a damn about how oppressed or free-minded your society is. If all Qataris like, we are OK with it. It’s exotic and eccentric and people like to look at things with those characteristics (as long as it doesn’t involve human sufferance)!

People in general just feel sorry and care for human beings who are not free (in general) and suffer with that, that's all!

+| Jokk3R |+

I know some will not gona like what I am saying, but please you guys and I'm addressing this to those who are not Qataris, please STOP telling us what to do and what to do, I understand you're just stating you pov's however, you probably didn't still comprehended completely the Qatari culture and the religion and how this goes together ,remember Qatar isn't a secular country after all !

I am here in the US, I can do what ever i want and just cut it lose! But I didn't wana do such thing, in matter of fact, I thought i was angry at my society back in Qatar, but after me spending years here in the US, I discovered that I was wrong, see how much the american society in deep deep problems from debts to unemployment, from teen pregnancy to alcoholic and drugs problems, homeless people who don't know anything about their families

Yes, we do have some problems in the Qatari society, but hey at least women are respected! No one is gona harass me for wearing hejab, no one is gona call me a muslim terrorist, no one is gona attack me in the middle of the night if i am out to rob me and point a gun to my head! and these are few scenarios that can happen to any girl,yet there's no such thing in Qatar!

Freedom isn't about drinking, clubbing, doing drugs and dress inappropriately! You're mistaken God gave you the freedom, God gave people the freedom and what human kind did? they took it away from Black and enslave them!

So it's a problem with mankind, we screw everything up and then we run and we wana fix it but sometimes it's too late to do so!

So, the bottom line is and i truly believe in it if Islam said don't do x,y,z there's a reason, there's a logic behind whither in the short run or the long run and of course people who should obey will be awarded.

& those who said men and women should be treated equally in Qatar, yes I do agree with some restriction and I do agree to some extant. But compared to so many country's history and the way they treated women, or blacks we are way better. The US gained it's independence 1776,and they started women suffrage or in plain english women right to vote in 1922 ! whereas Qatar gained their independence in 1971 women got the right to vote in the municipality council in 1999 ! Can you guys do the math ?

& the examples goes on and on and on ..

'till later, take care and think and act responsibly !

''Ask me NO questions, & I'll tell you NO lies :)''

''Ask me NO questions, & I'll tell you NO lies :)''

Her issue is not whether to be Qatari but whether men and women should be treated equally.

Interestingly the papers do report the number of HIV cases here and if I remember correctly about 2 months ago it was around 140.

I look at the world realistically, I don't have a problem with the way Qataris wish to live... but it would seem like not all your countrymen and women feel the same.

I love your "rose coloured glasses' that you look through... I am sorry to disappoint you, but just because the media doesn't report things that happen in Qatar like they do in western countries does not mean to say they don't happen here.

1) Crime is on the rise - take a look at the posts that are posted here and on the odd occassion in the newspaper (when they are allowed to print it - and also only the ones they have caught - never the ones that got away) - The only reason its not as rampant as it is in my country.... there are 45million south africans (excluding the illigal immigrants) and not enough policemen - in Qatar, the population is so small that its easy to control things - thats why people get caught, quickly.

2) Teenage pregnancy - Aids - Diseases - Again, has to do with what can be printed and not - I know of 2 Qatari women that have been removed from Qatar for babies out of marriage - no one talks about them. Aids and other diseases - not recorded amongst the population because locals don't have to submit to blood tests like foreigners do - wonder how many cases of AIDS return after trips abroad.

Now all this being said - I love Qatar, I consider it my home - but I am not going to close my eyes to things anymore than I would in my own country just because someone tells me too - I have my own mine - given to me by God - and he expects me to use it.

If you studied abroad, you should have learnt 1)That there is more to the world out there, than what you are spoon fed here, 2) Hollywood is not real life 2) Sometimes people twist things to fit their own agenda!

visit www.qaws.org

you dont need to lie here in this site,and what is her purpose to lie??

Curious man" this post is nice to be talk to'

Great post"Cheers

_The problem to be faced is: how to combine loyalty to one's own tradition with reverence for different traditions....

_peace..!!

Do you really think she is Qatari !!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is my first time to hear a Qatari woman that doesn't want to be a Qatari..

but that is life..

some people wants to be Qatari..

your post are all good^^Cheers

Come on nearly a 1000....

thats odd, alot of girls wish to be in your place

outside middel east girls are forced by Goverment to remove there Hijab but here the Gov give you the right to do so , and you are complaning ?

another thing sprize me , how you are muslim but you dont want to follow at least the basic things !

I am not say you should be perfect but at least Stop drinking.

I hope you know there is no problem to be a qatari girl the problem with you dear .

Hazim M H

Auditor

GT

VIKAS KAUSHIK

Dear Superwoman let me tell you one thing from the bottom of my heart that you are the whiff of fresh air in Qatar. Please educate others.Let other girls come out in the open. Don't hide behind the veil of ignorance.Very well appreciated.

VIKAS KAUSHIK

You scared me Niiiiiic!!

By the way why your name so soft!!

Star,

You validate my assumption.

Don’t be so ignorant as Allah may punish you.

Here is a link to contribute to improve your education on the topic you chose to attack (if you are able to read long texts):

http://www.retrovirology.com/content/3/1/72

Nic ...from Canada ... home of fagets!!

First case of Aids in 1981 listed to a Canadian faget.

If you do'nt like Qataris what are doing in Qatar?

robert,

why bother answering, he's a kid and from qatar ;)

Come on, lets get this to a 1000 replies....

Drugs. Most native species of the popular drugs come from Asia and South America.

AIDS - Africa

N1H1 - Probably Mexico

Nuclear Bombs - US

Xena...

Do you know that South Africa is rated No.1 in crime !!

I bit you don't know that becouse you are too busy catching doges!!

I wonder from where all these bad things come from... drags, aids, N1h1, nuclear bombs, and who started world war I & II ect...if you do not know who statred it all,

then it's you the ignorant one here!!

Xena ... It seems to be that you have been with pets and animals for a long time and now you want the Qataris to be like animals too... You want Qatari girls to drink alcohol ( just like what superwomen wrote) and let the sky is the limit and haunts around just like what is happing in the west or South African!!

I studied in USA it took me 6 years to complete my collage degree, in the town where I lived their was 13 death casualties per week due to drinking and driving.

One of my neighbors daughter got pregnant when she was 16 yeas old, she rune away and until the day I left the state she was missing and no one knows what she was doing to support her child!! Her ex-boyfrind got another girl pregnant just 2 years later!!

Xena ...Is this the type of freedom you want for Superwomen to have, I know you do not want that for your daughter ... do you?!

StarQatar,

Pathetic.

don’t you know that your world, the way you twist it and choose to describe it does NOT represent the entire 100% population of what you love to call The West?!

These things happen, because they involve humans and as far as I know there are humans in every culture and religion. So, chances are these things might also happen in your own door step, except if they do, they will sure not make it to the public eye.

I pity so much ignorance dictated by high ranked (almost devine) severe restrictions to learn!!!!!!

So one gender isn't superior over another gender

Yes, in Islam there are rules, but so far, most of the female gender are expected to follow them, while the male gender figure the rules are not for them and literally screw around as they please!

visit www.qaws.org

maurochiado ...Two wrongs it does not make's it right !!

Xena "This said by an under 18 year old Qatari boy, who by the time he reaches 20 will be trying to pick up all the ladies he can find - to sleep with them - just like animals;-P.... I love the holier than thou attitude! becareful what you say StarQatar, things might come back to haunt you..."

Am not saying that it's ok for boys and not for girls ... Freedom has it's limits we are muslims and in islam we have rules that should be fowled by both if boys did not follow these rules then the solution is let the girls do what they want so they become equal...is this your solution?

dont ever try to meet and go with qatari women,if they feel a little offense from us expat that we used to our fellow countrymen,they will report directly to the police and you will be kick.lolz.

starqatar, I undestand your point.

But my sister is a human being like me, so she have the right to try to screw around like an animal, if she wants.

I don't own her life.

maurochiado someone like you will be proud when you sister or your daughter screw around just like animals!!

i understand what you feel,you are a very openminded lady but it doesnt suit here in your contry,try to visit other country that no restriction of rights,SEE THE WORLD FREE.

'Feel sorry for you Mayoshka ... you have all freedom you wants do what you like to walk around with anyoney and sleep with anyone you want... just like animals, well we are very happy it's not like that in Qatar'

This said by an under 18 year old Qatari boy, who by the time he reaches 20 will be trying to pick up all the ladies he can find - to sleep with them - just like animals;-P.... I love the holier than thou attitude! becareful what you say StarQatar, things might come back to haunt you...

visit www.qaws.org

better animals than prisoners...

Try to go out of this country if you can. Go somewhere where men and women are treated equally.. Everyone deserves happiness, man or woman.

Mayoshka : said I feel sorry for you ...

I Feel sorry for you Mayoshka ... you have all freedom you wants do what you like to walk around with anyoney and sleep with anyone you want... just like animals, well we are very happy it's not like that in Qatar.

damn .. m sad for u ..

+| Jokk3R |+

Qatari do not want someone like Superwomen !!

hey Qatari SUPERWOMEN i think u have to " THANK GOD "

i agree with RABBIT

first of All you are a muslim girl .. and in muslims u know what is HALAAL ( هلال )??? and What is HARAAAM ( حرام )???

:) I wish the same..... :)

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Men will wrangle for religion, write for it, fight for it, die for it, anything but live for it

Dude...Its always been beautiful and blessed for me and for the some1 u mite b referring 2...people who know me would know of it...cheers...

Life is callin ?????

I wonder your life is As beautiful as it was for someone earlier.... ;p

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Men will wrangle for religion, write for it, fight for it, die for it, anything but live for it

Those were some bold comments you put in there...gr8 going lady...well hope the best for you...m new here in Doha...loooking out for some good friends...thats how landed on your post...All the best...and hope things do change...take care...

I wish more people could think like you..........I believe in God and what I wear or drink sometimes, who I talk to or if I go or not clubbing will not take me closer or further from him......everyone has the right to live their lives as they want we are not OWNED by anybody..........and of course WOMEN and MEN should have the same rights.....if people who loves you do not understand or at least respect that I am afraid they do not really love you...

My advise? do what you heart tells you, if you can't do it here.......go to a different country where you can be free and happy.........and you don't get judged by appareance or nationality. Be strong and go for it.

Good luck

I wish more people could think like you..........I believe in God and what I wear or drink sometimes, who I talk to or if I go or not clubbing will not take me closer or further from him......everyone has the right to live their lives as they want we are not OWNED by anybody..........and of course WOMEN and MEN should have the same rights.....if people who loves you do not understand or at least respect that I am afraid they do not really love you...

My advise? do what you heart tells you, if you can't do it here.......go to a different country where you can be free and happy.........and you don't get judged by appareance or nationality. Be strong and go for it.

Good luck

Believe me that if you were NOT QATARI you'll be dreaming of being Qatari, Just take a tour around your country, and try to transmigrate other female life in that country and see what freedom means to you. No one is accepting his life as a whole, there is always something derogating, it is every where in the world. Be thankful that you are Muslim but are you? may be not because you did not know Islam yet,, Why ,,,, because it is the religious of some closed people you do not like,,, do not make this takes you to hell afterwords.. may be you feel that the life is boring, you may be right, but we are making our selves' life boring,,, breakout the routine, do not make the same things repeatedly, do not make your Today a copy of Yesterday, I repeat Study Islam, but from it is right roots from Quran and Sunna, do not think that religious is rigid, people around you makes it rigid for you because they are rigid and have nothing to give you for Islam except the other face that forbids you from being alive, ,,,,, you;ll be happy from inside your heart when you satisfies Allah,, it is your soul that seeks to find the life happiness that will not be unless if your soul is clean and gets its satisfaction,, your flowers will die if didn't get water, and your soul has to be fed with religious, please wake up your soul as it seems to be dieing ,,, wake it up and get it back to life,,, this is the life.

Superwoman - you have options. If you have the self-discipline, get your degree (if you haven't alread) and go to law school. All change takes time, and it also takes those with the vision to see what changes need to be made.

Change the laws. Build your support, write new laws, have them adopted. All this takes time. It isn't going to happen overnight. You can be a driving force for change, but do it within the system; don't take unnecessary risks.

guys let her do what shey want shes a free woman

as for clups guess she gas to find a group or start a group for5 girls to have fun

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Yes Jon, you should keep your sister locked up at home to protect her from all the bad things in the world.

If you are 100% Qatari and a Muslim you would know that family is everything,,and would not disgrace your family even if they didn't know about your behavior,,,your just a selfish silly girl, who thinks of her own needs and wants with no regards to others...I feel sorry for your parents if they are alive...

There wouldn't be a society without rules!!!

I feel sorry for you. You are living in your own country but still your freedom is limited.. It's a shame

I guess we are just bond'ed with Home and work.. we dont realy chill ne where else.. or end up shopping. thats about it i think we should have a place to play activities, have coffe and just relax,

-: You Love Me Or You Hate Me But I will Always Be in Your Mind :-

I am not aware of such group,but that sounds like a great deal to me ! I'd love to and am sure many women would love to have a group of their own !

''Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 'Discover''

Mark Twain

Sister, why dont we open a Women's group in Qatar to chill ? or are there any such groups to join..I am new to qatar so don't know much

-: You Love Me Or You Hate Me But I will Always Be in Your Mind :-

Am I the only who thinks that there are more things important in life other than going to clubs ?

I think being in Qatar itself is a blessing, we have to learn to appreciate the things we have, we're in a politically stable country, we're safe, no drug dealers on the streets, no violence,no homeless waiting for a piece of a bread to survive, no natural disasters,etc ..

I mean seriously, once all the blessings we have are gone.. i think only then we'll appreciate what we have,that other people don't.

Peace,

''Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 'Discover''

Mark Twain

salute to you superwoman for your courage and bravery...for following what your heart says...anyway we only live once so better make the most out of it :)

is it the longest thread ever or what

men are pathetic :)

For the expats I hear the answer if you don't like go home. I get that but the problem is that this lady is home.

*zzzzzzzzzzzz* Boring.

Go and live in a different country

i dont belive your story

Points to Ponder: In this world, whatever we believe in our own different religion is that can't be save us because it's up to us on how we carry our own life. if we think what we want to do can make us happy, then why not we try and do but we always have to be careful and avoid hurting anyone in such a way can make you bad. We all can go forth, believe in yourself, be true and just do good. There will be a time to realize on how much you care, that is because to live in this world timing is important. ^_^

Loool

you v got 100\100 for this article.... if the gov want to deprive this ok go a head but please for both gender.

thats what they called apartheid

I guess the length of this thread demonstrates the intolerance in the modern world. Many of the disgusted people here would probably be the first in the queue when it comes to stoning women to death for the perceived wrongs they have committed in the name of civilisation and decency.

as per what i read, so what you don't move out of Qatar and go live in another country. it is very simple, really shame on you.

look i have nothing to do with you if you want to go for a club or whatever place is not my business but don't say you are a Muslim as long you are not believing in Hejjab/Cover because God ordered this in Qoran.

and for God's sake stop that kind of conversion of blogs this is a bullshits. and with my respect you are a such liar because you can enter any the club from an experience im talking.

Superwoman, u have showed how courageous n gutsy u r that u have posted a thread about the agonies of QATARI girl..Its really sad to read ur post..But being a QATARI, i don't think u can raise ur voice against the goverment..right???

900 posts... not bad.

LOL

"Superwoman to the rescue"

I think you have the right, with certain limitations of course parallel to your present state of maturity, to express yourself and say so boldly how you feel. You are given your God given right to know what and how you feel about certain things you find important to you.

I for one feel you did a remarkable job in this thread. I actually think its comparable to a breath of fresh air. Someone with the guts to just ask a simple question. The spectators shouldn't focus too much on the petty club example, it is what it is, just an example. Why o why does a culture imprison some of their own.

When you were growing up, someone should have had the privelage and duty to make you feel comfortable under your own skin. If you seek this experience to yourself, no one should judge you without really knowing. People's aggressive comments here are not always appropriate, they are not even certified mind readers to really know how you feel, still judge you with only a morsel of data to do so...terrible.

Good job, continue to find your answers, no one really cares as much as you on your feelings. You do get tired of pleasing other people before yourself, eventually.

superwoman, that was just a wrong club for you ))) next time find a better one and club there)))

hey u r a qatari n here being a qatari means a lot,the authorities listens to everything u say or ask for i think u shud put this matter in al-raya newspaper so more people will kow abt it n maybe some other qataris girls will join the protest..coz i dont think that there r much of qataris here in QL

BarBi3

I wonder if people will still be posting in 2020 and will this girl get her freedom? Its the arab Bridget Jones!

hey lady.. if you are a muslim 100% you dont have to go in the clud and drinks alcohol coz it prohibited in your religions.. you better go in other country and you will be happy in way you wanted to be.. good luck...

I was just about to say that too! Someone's tryin' to hit the 1000 comment mark! Some people never learn, good luck with your deportation! :D:D:D

I respect your point of view.

However, me as a Qatari girl, I am proud to be one,I don't wana live or die in any other place but my country,although I traveled to many countries had the opportunity to see and be exposed to whatever didn't exist here in Qatar,however, I chose NOT to lose my culture or my value or the basic fundamentals I was raised on! 'Cuz if I did so,I'd be like everyone else around me but the way I dress,the way I behave makes me unique especially outside Qatar, in particular Europe or the US, Cuz I think I am representing Qatar as a whole not just me as an individual.

I see where your frustration comes from, I see why you're talking this way I know many girls who (thinks)the same why some of them had the guts to do what you wana do and faced consequences,others just don't cuz they don't wana deal with the aftermath of their irresponsible behavior.

You think that going to clubs and drinking so glamorous and fun and staff? Well..You have to think twice,I lived in the US for a quiet long time and I've seen it all,i've seen people I care about destroying themselves,losing so many thing ie: money, time,values,friends and sometimes themselves too!

It's like this: you start a little fire and the fire out of a sudden gets bigger and bigger and then you realize oh! I should call the firefighters! Well guess what?! Too late,everything got burn down!!! And why? It's all because the ''Little'' fire you started !!! I hope that you got my point.

Just so you know, I am NOT super conservative type of person, I am an average type of person when it comes to religion,but I maintain certain boundaries and limits I don't cross! Although I have many friends from all over the world who are Jewish,Christians,Buddhist,atheist,agnostics,etc.. They come from different countries,I've never imposed my culture,values or religion on them, contatrly,they always loved the fact that I'm wearing hijab,and when I explained to them,why we fast,why we pray 5 times a day ,why we don't drink or eat pork,it all made sense to them!

In matter of fact,I have two class mates one of them are Korean and the other is an American,they converted to Islam by choice not by force and that reflected in their life positively? so It's not Islam that's wrong,right?

Lastly,It hurts to see a girl from my country talks in such way,cuz I care and I HATE to see anyone hurting themselves or walking on a wrong path,especially if the one we're talking about is Qatari!

There are two possibilities either you're: A) Still very young and immature ti understand life and what's fun and what's not B) You've been brainwashed.

Either ways, this is not the right way to live your life or think about life,there are other things more important than the ones you mentioned.

Hope you're NOT bothered, It's what I thought of you can either take it or leave it!

Regards,

''Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 'Discover''

Mark Twain

still alive?????????

Someone want to beat the record.........

Look.. There no problem with ur Islam = The problem is with Arabs who changed Islam & start creating a lot of problems under the name of Islam. This problem (I mean Arabs) can not be solved by human like us unless we become a unity.

Any how, 4 time being I will give u some solutions hopefully it finds ur satisfaction & b sure its ur chose what do:

1- Change ur Nationality + keep ur real Islam.

2- Change ur Country + keep ur real Islam.

3- Convert 2 any other religion u like & believe on it ( I don’t prefer u 2 change ur religion) because u r going to loss ur Donya & Akira.

4- Don't change any thing & try 2 live with those problems & keep Arabs matter to be solved by Gad.

Culture & traditions is a creation of human & can b changed = a lot of changes happened & will happen in next few years.

العيب ماهو بالدين الإسلامي ولكن العيب فينا نحن العرب اللي غيرنا مفهوم الدين تبعا لأهوائنا وصرنا نحلل على البعض ونحرم على البعض الآخر = صرنا نغير أشياء كثيره تحت مسميات الإسلام وبالتالي إحنا العرب إللي شوهنا سمعة الإسلام وندعي إننا نحافظ عليه. وتغير العرب مش بيدنا وإنما بيد الخالق وحده -أو- نتوحد في وجه التحديات اللي تصير في ديننا

عموما أبترك لك بعض الحلول تتماشى مع همجية هالزمن الغريب والأمر بالاول والآخر راجع لك

1- تغيري جنسيتك + الأحتفاظ على هويتك الإسلاميه الحقيقيه

2- تغير البلد اللي أنتي عايشه فيه + الأحتفاظ على دينك الإسلامي

3- تغير دينك لأي دين آخر يناسبك (ما انصحك بتغير الدين) لأن تغير الدين فيه خسارة الدنيا والآخرة

4- لا تغيري حاجه وحاولي التعايش مع التغيرات واتركي الخالق للخالق

أما العادات والتقاليد فهي من صنع الإنسان وهي في تغير مستمر مثلما لاحظناها مؤخرا وسنلاحظها بالسنوات القادمه

تحياتي

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Try to go to Istanbul and Turkiye, you can both live islam and freedom there..

Stop playing. These intention-seeking tactics may be working but the person whose attention you really need is a psychiatrist. Lose the whole Qatar girl thing btw. Only dimwits may be buying it. Come on... cut the crap. You're not Qatari and you know it.

That's the worst advice I've ever heard!

You should have an open mind, have the ability to rethink and CHANGE YOUR MIND if you are wrong.

PLEASE listen to others and try to understand how will this help you and most of all DON'T BE IGNORANT.

As far as religion. ISLAM is the coolest religion on earth, if people misunderstand it, then that's their problem.

If you're an unbiased person looking for the TRUTH and the ONLY TRUTH you'll come to find ISLAAAAAM!

Ashhad an laaaa Illaaah Ila ALLAH wa Ashhadu AN Muhammed Rasulolallah!

There is no god worthy of being worshiped except ALLAH (the one and only god) and Muhammed is his messenger and slave!

He's not the middle man between you and god, He's not the savior, he's not the enlightened one, he did not die for your sins! HE'S THE SLAVE OF ALLAH JUST LIKE ALL OF US AND DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING FROM YOU, HE JUST DELIVERED THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM THAT CAME DOWN TO HIM WHICH IS TOTAL SUBMISSION TO GOD and you don't need to make any connections to saints, preachers, or whatever to connect to god! YOU ONLY NEED YOUR HEART!!!

Please TRY TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM MY SISTER before you make such decisions.

If you think drinking, dancing and walking half naked in the street will give you more happiness and inner peace than this beautiful way of life "ISLAM" Then I feel sorry for you.

And all what us muslims can do is pray that god guides you and guides us all.

But I just want you to do one thing my sister (and every weak muslim or non-muslim)

I want you to be WANTING to find the truth. I want you to search and research... and you don't need to be biased or defend your religion because if the religion is true it will defend its self by its self. Just be rational and ask god to guide you.

My post might have offended some people but I'd rather say something useful than beat around the bush.

Assalam Aleekom

I am so sorry for you that you can't live the life you want to live. But everything i can say is just... don't give up and keep your own always, don't let others to change your mind.

this is :(

...listen to the sound of silence....

I think u r living just negative live not because of Islam if ur drinking and smoking and having sex then what kill ur self si ur not doing something positive and actually I don't think ur really Qatari girl or ur family from Qatar so u have to do ur Salah and make do3a to Allah don't let ur self to run with these things let ur brain to breath with Quran and try to read it with ur hart.

I think also u have to go to Psychologist Dr.

Hope Allah help u

Thank you and Best wishes

**Dont get discourage when things go beyond your imagination because the greatest glory in life is not falling but rising everytime you fall. Life is what you make it**

good for you

I wish you can change your nationality & religion… you know why…. You don’t deserve to be Qatari & Muslim!!!! If ur Muslim.

I understand your statement, i know its difficult.

in my country where i live, the women are free.

But i visited qatar, and i have a great respect for your people!

Here you can do what ever you want when you are a women, but also there is a lot of crime here!

I noticed in qatar its clean, no men that harrest you when you walk on the street, i saw no crimes..

So freedom isnt always so nice..

But i agree your statement that is isnt fair that the girls cant go clubbing and the men can.

I dont think you can do mutch about it,i only can hope for you, that when you are older you may have a nice modern man, that wil give you some more freedom than you have right now.

Maybe you can go to some clubs when you are on a holliday with him...

Is it also not alwowed when you go with you brother or so??

i hope i"ll hear from you!

(byethe way i'am a girl, living in europe)

but unfortunately that was for gays :(

so qatari baby be cool and calm , and find some other places to visit :-)

A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose! Dr. Choc

its like a super spring under too much tension

waiting to be released..!

once released...................... out of space..!

MY RULES:

1.I AM ALWAYS RIGHT.

2.JUST IN CASE I’M WRONG SEE RULE NUMBER 1.

oh my baby, it's really a struggle!!! between a society imposed standard and sense of freedom and individuality. It is really an envy wherein you can see other Western girls, Leb'nse, Phils, etc....walk along with sorts of freedom and liberation. They can easily express their thoughts & talents by way of fashion and lifestyle, career, personal preferences, hang-outs and alike. The bottom-line is we need to respect, whatever or wherever society you belong to. Think again, and you might also see the things that make other girls like you HAPPY & CONTENTED with what they are and to where they belong to. Good Luck.

Why should leave her own country to please people like you?

Wow talk about one over-stretched thread....

try to move in us or canada....its gud for you....

if you have family its not gud choise to migrate

wow I missed alot I got to catch up sorry for not being here for so long..new post ( topic) in few minutes....

"Superwoman to the rescue"

I didn't know about those regulations.....

The first step for freedom is making your own belief and your own merciful and forgiving God not that crazy dude with the drawn sword, yelling I don’t know what, and ready for a barbarian punishment for nothing.

Your god given sense is good enough. So trust it and use it.

Hey if you wanna party so bad why don't you go over to Bahrain or UAE - better yet go to Lebanon. My advice to you 7abibti is "Don't rock the boat".

Peace

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

go get a foreign passport .. or just book a ticket and lets go to somewhere out of here and enjoy a night at a crazy club. count me in :) am ready.

dam this is still continuing???? i dont think she even gives a shit ne more lol

I hope you'll be happy someday!Stay strong!

We live here side by side with Arabs, but we don't get to know much about your life and culture.

Everywhere society lays it's shackles. May be some bold Arabs can help you.

superwoman, i strongly i agree with what you are trying to show here. i guess if you will start in a more noble cause then you can gain ground and later this equality that you are longing for will come true. bark in a right tree as the saying goes.

progress

Sandy - correction... Drinking n clubbing like crazy :)

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Men will wrangle for religion, write for it, fight for it, die for it, anything but live for it

Oh Damn this thread still going??????

Superwoman must be laughing like crazy...

its your culture whether u like it or not u must live with it otherwise u will end up crying.

DON'T LET FANTASY ROB YOU OF YOUR REAL LIFE BEAUTY

Subhanallah Superwoman, repent my dear sister of Islamic faith. You may be young, but that does not mean that you should disregard the guidance and teachings of our religion. If I were you, I will take the comments from 007 as a challenge. Being young doesnt mean that you cannot enjoy life. There are many ways to do it not necessarily by clubbing, drinking alcohol and stuff like that. Consider the comments by 007 wisely and you'll be a better person. If you evaluate whatever feedback you receive in a positive way the result will be to your benefit, you'll grow-up wiser and honourable. However, if you evaluate it the opposite way, than only you'll benefit the opposite of good. Heed my advise. Allah knows what is best for everyone. By wanting to do the opposite of the teachings of Islam, in my view you are challenging God. That's why in my 1st sentence above I suggest you to repent. Don't spoil your youth unnecessarily, you'll regret doing it when you're more matured. Through the years, I've seen many young girls like you regretted for doing the things that they are not supposed to. There are wise non Muslim girls who regretted for not being a Muslim much earlier. Reason being should they be born a Muslim, her pride and dignity as a young woman is secured.

Wallahu Alam

I never knew Whore meant a female who likes to drink...

Gotta refer the dictionary again :(

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Men will wrangle for religion, write for it, fight for it, die for it, anything but live for it

wow, 007, I don't know where to start....yea people in western countries are unhappy and in hell because they don't have "real faith". :rolleyes:

People who visit nightclubs are all whores *sigh*

Tell me, am I a whore for visiting a nightclub even though I rarely drink? (maybe drink a couple of times a year).

haha..nice point ashwindoke...

superwoman: do u hate men?

i mean qatari men?

you can go dubai or bahrain.

you can go dubai or bahrain.

10 pages for this ?????

I wish I was a Qatari female.....

Indians driving Altos and Kias (Any car for tht matter) would be glaring at me in my Range Rover.... and thinking I am some princess and even looking at me and appreciating my beauty might entitle them to be Deported back :p

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Men will wrangle for religion, write for it, fight for it, die for it, anything but live for it

well....

just chill, i am with you though i am not qatari nd not a girl, but can understand nd imagen.

by the way got some change or still ???????????

Wow 007 something really upset you......

Im Qatari Girl and I am proud that Iam a Girl and that Im Qatari...but you I don't think that you are really Qatari or even Musilm and If you are really what you claim then you must be a sick person and you need a Psychotherapy..well let see you think that your freedom is to drink alchol and go and have sex with anybody and became a Whore is that what you want ??

to lose your respect at least to your self ??

if you think that the west countries that you love their life are happy you are wrong ... they live in Hell why because they dont have the real faith that we have ... and they dont have the life that our country provide it for us .. you are ungrateful girl .. do you think any country wants someone like you to live in their country or to give her their nashionalty ?? NOOOOOO

why ?? because you are ungrateful... you will bit the hand that feed you ...

Allah created us to worship Him And not to worship our desires and Allah tell us to wear hijab .. ask your self why ?? to protect us from the Human wolves that want to attack your the honor and purity of Muslims Girls...

Don't walk in the wrong way then nobody will help you to come back Except your country and your family.

أختي الكريمة لا تجعلينا أضحوكة أمام الأجانب ..فمثل هذه المواضيع

لاتطرح هكذا أمام الأجانب وغير المسلمين...لقد جعلتي من نفسك أضحوكة أمام الكل

راجعي نفسج وأستغفري ربج..لأنج محاسبة أمام الله عما كتبتيه هنا

وأحمدي ربج أنج قطرية موب من جنسية ثانية...كان عرفتي صج

قيمة بلادج إلي ربتج وكبرتج وفي الأخير تبين تعضين اليد إلي ساعدتج

لا تخلين الغرائز والشهوات تغيرج على بلادج...

ولا تظنين الشرب والرقص والرقص في الديسكو والنوادي هذي هي الحرية...لأ عزيزتي...الحرية هي حرية العقل وانج تعرفين الصح من الغلط

وللحديث بقية

This topic is more popular than a soap opera. come on guys ... if there were only girls posting here OK i would of understood. But come. Wake up ;))).

P.S I only read superwoman's first topic so I don t now exactly about what's all the fuss about but ... does this topic give milk and cookies to ? :P

such a nice comment :)

I had been to a Pub last week at W-Wahm, it was call of duty...I don't drink. Felt guilty and was very uncomfortable and left the place in few minutes....

May Allah forgive our sins..Ameen

yeah! you should be happy like everyone does.. if you want to live free.. run away with me..

للأسف انج قطريه

انتي ماتستاهلين تراب قطر يا كلبة يا بنت الكلب

اذا في امج خير طرشيلي اسمج الكامل يا حيوانه علشان اراويج السنع يالوصخه

تتعدين علا بلادج ودينج الله فوق ان شاءالله وبيراوج بأذن الله

انا عارف انج وحده مش متربيه وحيوانه وماتقدرين اتطلعين اي بيانات عنج لانج مو قد الكلام الي اتقولينه

ولو انتي بنت ابوج وقد هالكلام طرشي لي اسمج الكامل عالخاص

وانا اراويج يا بنت الكلب

Islam is a religion of free will and nobody can force it on you!

Religion is totally different than Culture and traditions are not culture! Every country has different Cultures and every family practices different tradition. Religion is neither Culture nor Tradition, all though people do mix them.

You say you are Muslim but you don’t believe in its rules? Then don’t call yourself Muslim!

Islam is not a curse it is a privilege. Guidelines are for our protection, not to take away from us! You can drink alcohol if this is what you choose! But there is a consequence for it on the Day of Judgment (or do you not believe in this either?)

Every machine you buy in a store comes with a manual. If you follow your manual then your product will run well and last longer. Quran and hadith are a Muslims manual, follow it and you will be protected and live in paradise.

Neither Qatari girls nor any other girls have to be a copy of something they are not. Sorry to say but I have yet to meet a prefect or even near perfect Qatari girl! If you know of one please let me know because I have a son.

As for the marriage statement you made? I see young married Qatari couples out all the time discussing their big wedding day. They are going out together to movies and dinners and getting to know each other mentally, sometimes for a year or two before living together.

If you respect your parents then you trust their judgments. No one loves you more than your parent’s girl! Ok, lets say you have horrible parents and they wish you were never born. This doesn't give you the right to rebel against right from wrong?

What is the purpose behind going to clubs? you said you do not openly go against Islam in public! what is this about then? Only bad comes out of that kind of these actions. Why go??? to show off your body to socialize with the opposit sex, to drink alcohol, to make a total fool out of yourself and your family.

The boys that go to these places? Who wants a used up boy that has shared himself with many other women? knowing clearly that this is wrong in manners and religion. What a waste! I wouldnt pick one of those for my daughters.

The good for the good, the bad for the bad! If a man comes for one of your daughters and you are pleased with his religion and manners marry them! This is in our mannual showing us how to choose.

Double standards, Yes there are double standards going on here and everywhere else, not just Muslim countries.

Open your eyes up and do not be small minded like a child! We will all be judged on the Day of Judgment for our intentions and actions. Both male and female will get books given to them, no double standards there.

If you’re good deeds weigh heavier than your bad ones, you’re destined for Jinnah, but if you’re bad actions are heavier? You are ordained to hell! These are not my guidelines! These are your creator’s guidelines.

From every point you are complaining about in your disturbing letter you wrote, your bad actions stand out by far! But you don’t need to be judged by me! Allah is the best one for this. I’ll pray for you.

Muslims are not unethical and unjust...

However in many cases, Islam does specify different set of rules for men and women separately....shall we call that 'double standards'?

A big NO, why bcoz we know OUR creator, My LORD Allah understand and knows better and HE knows the BEST and WISE, suggested the best instructions for our own benefits.

NO WAYS, One consider that ISLAM allows men to visit Bars & have alcoholic drinks....Its Haram for all muslims.period

Peace

PM,

Just a minor observation to your latest comment.

One may say Islam is not unethical and unjust as one may say Muslims are not supposed to be unethical and unjust but no one can affirm that an entire group of people, in this case Muslims, are not unethical and unjust.

Allah yhdeki .. u thinks this is the true living of life?

why u ppl thinks about wht will happened this hour , or next day! or next week? why not thinking and going in a higher level of thinking? Islam banned these stuff ! for what exactly? because it is good? or what will happened after while bcz u got in to it? maybe our body needs it? or maybe we can live better with it? u will turn ur life miserable if u entered that way . so don`t

PPL; PLEASE promote ur thinking to a higher level!

Hey u still alive....?

I have to disagree with you about the reasoning Qatari women aren't allowed in (because they can get pregnant). Even though Qatari men cannot GET pregnant, in Islam drinking is considered Haram and therefore this law should be applied equally (which is the whole point to begin with). furthermore, Qatari men can impregnate women and therefore have the same moral and ethical responsibility.

The bottom line is that if this is the rule because of Islam it should be applied equally to Qatari men and women. Making excuses for why it is not only makes Muslims appear to be something they are not -- unethical and unjust.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

world is the final destination (One Life for Enjoyment and Fun)...and doesn't have any share in the Life hereafter!

Assalamu alaikkum...Superwoman...!!!!

Hadith "This world is the prison of the believer and the paradise of the unbeliever."

My allah bless u dear...!!!!!!!!!

Said Paul...I agree with you to a certain extent...one get trapped in a cultural confusion, when going thru the situation you mentioned BUT does this make any sense to open up such concerns in the Open Public forum?

She should go and meet Qatar cultural and heritage & law ministers to discuss about the creation of liberal and free muslim society...rather moaning here and asking for solution or amend Laws to your very own convenience.

Even if I consume alcohol and use contraceptives; shall I stand at the rooftop and announce it publicly?

Live life respectfully, don't disgrace your parents, if they provided you with Western education, apply yur skills and knowledge for the benefit to yourself and society at whole

Thanks

Peace

I agree with you and I suggest you get a boyfriend ;)

Your friend is not the only one bat_eng

dear your problem happened before with afriend for me but she is from emirates

but she overcome it by listining to her family order but there is two months in the year she is doing what she want

amonth in summer vacation when she come to me in egypt

the second when she move to london for avacation also

she decided to live as she want but only outside her country she said this solution works

Fascinating.

Trying to enforce old cultural norms while educating the rising generation in new ones is bound to lead to the sort of cultural rebellion Superwoman represents.

How can you teach your children in English, in Western curriculum schools, let them watch the Cartoon Channel and then American teen soap operas, give them wi-fi internet devices, send them to the West for university education and then expect them to embrace the same thinking as their parents and grandparents?

Western liberal thought and Eastern illiberal cultural traditions will not coexist happily in the same mind.

But those who are promoting modernisation/Westernisation in the name of economic progress are themselves trapped in the mindset formed a generation or two ago, so they want to uphold the very norms that their policies and the pursuit of wealth are destroying.

I do think Superwoman is real and I think there will be more and more like her. She is unlucky to be caught between two cultures.

Ibrahim, believe me, the last thing i would like - is to be born as a muslim lady... Thanx, but no, thanx.

I like to be free, i like to have choices in life, i like to travel without this funny latter of no objection... i like to be able to think and express myself, i like to met people i want, and surly i want to marry men i want ( not to be arranged by parents and be my second cousin....) I personally left home whan i was 19 and i would never change the life i lived for nothing ( no land rover, no killos of gold, no tonnes of pearls)

i can tell you this - i know where am i standing, and i am proud of myself. ( if you can digest this, coz)

jewels locked in a jewelry box

:(

Dear Superwomen,

If you are Muslim, this means that you obey ALLAH and Profit Mohamed teaching and instruction, you should also believe in the live after death, which means to us Muslims, that we have to always think of the good and bad things we do on the scale of Islam.

Believe me sister, if you ask western ladies, they will tell you that Muslim ladies are treated as queen, since they are not required to work and guarded as a jewels

I ask ALLAH to:

اللهم اهدنا فيمن هديت

Is there any result and no point in dragging so far.......It is an absurd demand :p

if you dont want to be a Qatari girl .. change to a Qatari boy !!

its easy these days ,,

Nothing to do with preference its to do with the alcohol confusing them and doing things they wouldn't do while sober now stop attacking Qataris.

to Zara- we can argue forever.... this is a way you live, this is your culture, this is the way you dress...

we are from different planets, thats all.

whiefeather you are 100% correct and that is what scares qatari men so much, that qatari women could prefer foreign men over you.....

You all want to know why Qatari WOMAN aren't allowed in?! Well it's because Qatari MEN can NOT get Pregnant! Got it?! Now move on.

shalla

yeah it might look good when someone gives u good comment BUT what they have in there heart with how dirty eyes they will look at u U HAVE NO IDEA they will talk bad abt u in there male friends (99% males do ) will it sound good so i think public place is not good for having comments

if u wanna have comments abt ur self then its good in family functions and relatives only

In todays world even if u do hijab men will look at u as if they r having X-RAY eyes LOLZ

Expats always ready to corrupt. Where is Omar ibn Al-Khattab(RA) to kick you guys out again?

all women think like that???

:P

if you are good looking woman , why not to let men look at you? what is wrong with that? It is just like looking at beautifull piece of art... i LOVE when men looking at me - this means i still alive and cute :)))))))

Freedom in my point of view supposed to be priceless but it's not....for our freedom we've to sacrifice.... fristly we've to define what freedom we are talking about, we refer to the freedom that doesn't hurt others, just to be free and fair with ourselves and others.

religion restricts should count.

some customs doesn't belong to religion restrictions, even some customs can be counted against religion instructions. for example having a girl friend or a boy friend in many countries is something common, which i believe it contradict with the three main religions. etc....

I wonder what happened to superwoman... maybe she moved to China and opened a laundry service for hijabs while you wait. You can dance in the reception and have a G&T at the same time....

It is indeed Alexa...

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

I can't believe people are still discussing this...

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

WHAT ALLAH DO FOR UR GOOD maybe something wrong might have happened with u thats y ALLAH stopped u through an angel TAKE IT THAT WAY

i dont say that only i have problems n u dont have any problem

we should thank ALLAH for what he have given us and pray to get what we dont have

u have few facilities i have other facilities

BUT I AM PROUD TO BE A GIRL AND ON THAT PROUD TO BE MUSLIM

EVEN I WAS AGAINST HIJAB but when i come to realize some cheap men will see u with how dirty eyes i feel like never going out

i do hijab only in public places :)n stay free in my family relatives

i dont think it sucks i think any one can make dj mix so one of the fri can do that otherwise u can download number of remixes with the duration of 30 minutes n more

n if u dont want only girls give an open invitation ur fri will bring there fri and so onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn it will form a big group of ppl males as well as females

THERE IS A WAY TO ORGANIZE EVERY EVENT U CANT JUST REPLY WITH THINKING AN ALTERNATIVE

Qatari dont get cars for rent but they get jobs easily with Good salaries they can work n buy sports cars bikes

"disco party at home? wow... thats real fun! only girls wearing D&G and Valentino infront of each other! super party!" actually, I find that pretty cool lol :D.

QATARI LOCALS don't get any cars for rent here..........................

disco party at home? wow... thats real fun! only girls wearing D&G and Valentino infront of each other! super party!

That's sucks!!!!!

but i wished i was a Qatari girl

i am proud to be girl

girls are more stronger then boys.

n what make me write to be a Qatari girl bcoze i am born here n dont like go to Pakistan

but even i am born here i have no facilities given as they give to Qatari's

when i go to hospital and ask for sugar strip or some other medicine doctor says me its free only for Qatari ppl n we r not in so good condition that i ask my dad to buy from outside. so look good facilities for Qatari ppl.

i passed my +2 with distinction but my dream remains a dream to study in Qatar foundation n now i study in mes where no proper classes are given :(

my dream of racing also remains a dream

to live in a crystal palace also remains a dream

i am suffering to find any job

SO LOOK AS A QATARI GIRL U HAVE SO MANY FACILITIES

not allowing to enter a disco is a small thing u can have a disco party at home also or somewhere outside ;)

Yeah force those women to wear hijabs, that's promoting women in Islam!! Shame on the west....

Adey,

About married women being free to apply for a passport in this part of the world, Kuwait i's on the news, because it’s so revolutionary and daring for the gulf countries:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/571282-kuwait-women-win-right-to-get-passport-without-mans-approval

(the world knows and no need to argue here because some locals cant see the storm they are in, how developed and modern these societies are!!!!)

yalla Habibti!

"Don't Dive with Me if you can't take the PRESSURE"

I thought that the topic was closed but seems still, I wrote u before and I write u again, u should be proud to be a Muslim , u should proud to be a women and u should be proud to be a woman, and u should be glad of all of that , people at USA from different nations but when they got there citizenship they proud about it and they can do anything for America even if they got a citizenship one day before, the western girls and amirican girls when they be 18 years they kicked out from home and go to do what ever to support herself , the Muslims women family responsible about her till she get married and then her husband responsible about her expenses , and if she is working her money for herself she doesn’t have to pay anything from her salary for home(any Expenses ) unless she want to do that by her Choice, So tell me witch religion do that, and I saw at USA Police catch prostitutes at the street and take them to jail, why it is free country , cuz this bad infulance at people and they want to protect them and protect her too from this, and finding a decent job. And that what happened here u want to enter the club and if they allow u they will allow to all Qatari girls , I do not Know about u if u been allowed by your parents to go to club ,then another Qatari girls will escape from there home and enter the clubs . and then what happened there too many men too many drinks . I want to tell that the worst view I ever seen to see the drank girl and how she acting without her mind ( can do anything) .i am tell this again u have to be proud to be a Qatari woman and before of that u have to be proud that u are a Muslim and go back to God and be agood muslem women and SuperMuslemWoman and what ever God not allow u to do is for your benefits . الله يهديكي ) (

(non)Logical,

from what and how you wrote it, you nickname is a contadiction!

"two learn".... O_o

Yeah hail the non-believers... what's up with the flag jack? ;)

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

nothin matters in front of freedom

You call yourself muslim? , w q6riya?

seriously one grow up

two learn how to speak english then write all your BS for us

three 9j 9j ma tst7een , ilnaas yft5roon 'f 3adthm w t8aleedhm w enty ga3datlna tabeen tglbeen walad?

il naas y5afoon 3ala sm3thm w sm3t halhm, even if your "annonymous" enty mafrooth 'b nafsiich tkoneen wath8aa ,

clubbing, drinking w all that ? seriously ?

Dont blame it on society blame it on yourself

w if you really wanna leave

go ahead machoof 7d masskiiich damiich tsween kl hal 7arakaat;)

bs yalla ma ngool ela allah yhadeech.

OTOsan said if he/she was not happy , ...

if he/she was not happy , doesnt mean that our religion is unfair .. its simply mean that he/she doesnt understand it well .

and what is exactly (Modern world) mean ??

just to follow our desires without any controll?? .. drinking .. dancing..as this girl wants ? having sex with out married?? escaping from Responsibilities.. or what is the exact meaning for that ??

Only faith is leading to happiness .. and GOD know whats better for us .. not our desires !!

Listen, dude…. I understand that there is no point to argue with you, coz no matter what i say, you will be singing same old song about faith …. But!!!

You are forgetting that first of all we are all just human beings, simple creatures with desires. And there is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong, if a young, unmarried girl wants to go and have fun (before she gets married)

Talking about faith leading to happiness – speak for yourself. Or you don’t accept exceptions? What is her faith does not? Or it is just must?

You see, the problem here, that you are turning religion just as it is convenient for you. Everybody know, that there are clubs with hookers here. So, why it is ok for males to go and enjoy themselves, and it is not ok for girls?

I am not saying that everybody should go and have sex left and right, but it is proven that people can be just not suitable for sex with each other… can you imagine to marry some one, who does not please you in bed at all? Than you just suffer all your life. Well, the only thing I can say – poor, poor girl. Faith, God…she is just a young girl who wants to live to full extend. And why can’t you be faithful to God and go to the club at the same time? Clubbing is not a crime ( as far as I know…)

So with Saudi full of the most holy places then you would think the girls in Saudi are the lucky ones.... however you think the extra freedom Qatari girls get should be thanks to God.... I'm so confused.

Many Activity in Life you can do ,

you are Very lucky Girl Rather than Girls in Suadi Arabia ,

you should thanks Gad (Allah )

and try to Change your Life , and finding new things to do to recover Habbites (العادات البالية)

SuperWoman: You really have lots of guts. A girl like you should be living her life to the max. I have this offer for you, if you still want to go clubbing, send me your name (first and last), your number and name the club that you want to go to. You can send it to me in private, but I assume it doesn't matter if you reveal your identity here cause you don't fear God, so why fear people. I have lots of connections that they can let you in to any club here in Doha. I will let you know that you can go. :)

say what? kill???

kill who??? lolzzzzzzzzz, u think u funny huh

dude! what the fuck ur talkin abt? goddamn it! you have no idea about what you're talkin abt....so u wanna kill huh???

dude r u f***** crazy? or what???

Shame on u big boy!!! Don ever try to be a murderer, calm & peace!

Seriously Anwar you think that is the answer? Is that what you would advise your sister to do?

QatariLady, are you innocent? :)

There is a famous quote that says

"“If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck”

source http://www.famousquotes.com/show/1051825/

10-15-20 years ago would you have dreamed any of the changes in Qatar would have occurred, especially as a lady?

Maybe you wouldn't have believed the realism of today had you been told about it in the past!

For me personally, and with no disrespect to others beliefs or creeds believe that Alcohol in Islam cannot be accepted. You will find that I debate this extensively in QL.

Allow me to remind you that HH challenged many taboos in the country, With reference to one of her most inspiring initial speeches saying " we need to challenge social taboos and lift this rigid veil of understanding"

Is it so farfetched that in light of the path the country has set for itself. With regards of the acceptance of Qatari males into bars you must accept that it will stir controversy being a contradiction in terms of the equality it prescribes????

Supergirl...

When the Qatari government allows Qatari men to club and drink, I don't think they were mallicious towards you, because that would mean they saying it's halal for men and haram for you girls, which is an open contradiction.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS: IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL CAN HAVE THEM - THEN SO SHOULD IRAN.

DEAR EVERYONE....again in light of the spirit of debate SUPERGIRL says there is a double standard at play here, which clearly there is when Local guys are allowed to club and drink and Local girls aren't.

Lets take religion out of the mix and reassess her statement and outrage. Here she has a valid point and says either they all are allowed with NO DISCRIMINATION or the Qatari males are NO LONGER PERMITTED access.

Fair enough. She,Supergirl being a modern day gal and all, has aquired a different culture which is now adopted in Qatar for the sake of the expats and modernization, intergration development and what not.

Supergirl is saying that since They here in Qatar didn't put islamic beliefs into the equation when they allowed alcohol in the country and opened clubs for expats and for the male locals, she wants to point out that there is also a huge movement in the female locality that is being dicriminated against.

Why do the muslims here blame her? Hasn't the country been lobbying for equality? Schools are co-ed, work places, banks, women can drive and thats all just the begining

So I ask you all, why are you all battling superwoman ?

She meerly wants to point out that there is a huge part of society where the young generation who go to mixed schools and universities and work side by side with men also want the same luxuries their government is offering the men. She is saying that only during the day she is an equal and what about her evenings?

Supergirl has said that there are many girls like her.

Join forces other Qatari girls that you say are plentiful and challenge these double standards and ask of the Sheikha for her support, which im sure she will give when you take that step.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS: IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL CAN HAVE THEM - THEN SO SHOULD IRAN.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS: IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL CAN HAVE THEM - THEN SO SHOULD IRAN.

Exiled saint , i wouldn't mind discussing Islam, but as you can see from the new QL guidelines it has to be discussed in another forum where i would glady oblige.

The point here is that this poor creature is questioning equality and the double standards of the country.

Now it dawned on me this morning that the same Governmental officials who allow Qatari men to go clubbing and drinking may not be awear that there is a huge local demand by Qatari women whom obviously want to enjoy the same luxury.

Otherwise wouldn't you agree that like other things in Qatar it would be a huge hypocricy that the country advocates equality and doesnt practice it when it comes to an adults personal choice?

NUCLEAR WEAPONS: IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL CAN HAVE THEM - THEN SO SHOULD IRAN.

Supergirl......After a good nights rest I think I have risen a with a new perspective.

Who am I or anyone to judge, Only God can judge!

You're obviously a big girl who knows what you want and has no problem expressing yourself.

Far be it for me to tell you not to......in fact I can see now that obviously this is your right and the country is heading towards liberation from any and all constraints

They can't do everything for you!

I say you openly demand the equality they have left it in your hands and the capable hands of other Qatari girls that you say are plentifull.

Join forces and challenge these double standards and ask of for support.

If I can see the light so will others, Join forces with your girlfriends and call the morning program Watani ilhabeeb sabah ilkheir, why not publish an article in western news papers I can bet you journalists are probably dying to cover this, its the next big thing after the bra burning suffrogettes

NUCLEAR WEAPONS: IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL CAN HAVE THEM - THEN SO SHOULD IRAN.

Superwoman...

I can relate to you on so many levels, but thank god for my Canadian nationality.

A lot of these replies are immature, and yet here you were opening up about some rather personal stuff.

All i'm saying is that you can still have fun because honestly, the clubs here suck, and even if you feel "freedom" is being able to choose to go or not to a club, the truth is, the damage can be far worse by going! Qatari men go there, so imagine one of them recognizes you? Actually that's what started the law in the first place. But, if you fancy a drink, you can always do it privately, at friends' houses, or house parties, after parties, and you'd feel better meeting new people there than in a place where people might say "oh my god, you're the first Qatari girl I meet who goes out"..

what all you think about its to be like man in Qatar so you think man are more better

i am sorry to tell you, you So fucking dumb we have many problem if you just need to go to the club only don't mix thing up like you know every thing

just live your life as the fuck you like it

i know many Qatari have problem and they are man and woman find you room and get a guy

don't take anything personal i just found that your mixing many thing up

Yo Superwoman

I know what you feel but there nothing you can chang alon it will chang it self i was there one time

SO

If you realy need to Enter club

1 don't ever Give the Security Guard and attantion Coz i know Qatari thay will do

2 don't look like you are Qatari and that easy realy

3 Don't go there alone take guy with you

if he/she was not happy , doesnt mean that our religion is unfair .. its simply mean that he/she doesnt understand it well .

and what is exactly (Modern world) mean ??

just to follow our desires without any controll?? .. drinking .. dancing..as this girl wants ? having sex with out married?? escaping from Responsibilities.. or what is the exact meaning for that ??

Only faith is leading to happiness .. and GOD know whats better for us .. not our desires !!

that's why u have something called private parties :)

gd luck super woman

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if some one is just NOT HAPPY, does it really matter what religion this person is? no one is trying to teach you, you just dont get that people are different. why some one have to suffer in the name of religion, if this religion and this rules does not make him or her happy? in my opinion this is just ... anfair? get real, we are living in the modern world and everybody should be able to live their lives as they want, despite any religion (some are just very convinient for males....)

some people must know that we will never change our islamic instructions and traditions to make them happy !!

we are here b4 they come to our country .. and we absolutely know whats good for us and whats bad , so they must not act like they are our teachers !!

if one woman is not satisfied with women situations here , you can find thousands of women who are !!

If you live in a golden cage, you are still caged...

It takes time to read all that...oh...

it is not the worse thing to be a qatarian lady.... at least they are loaded, they shop till they drop, they have nannys and mades and drive nice cars...and they do not need to work! superwomen, imagine if you were born in Saudi or Somalia :)))))

But personally i feel very sorry about you... poor thing... if i were you, i would leave to Europe...

Some one wrote, that she has to be proud 1 - that she is a muslim, 2 - that she is a woman. Why not to be proud first, that you are just a healthy human being? what is this paranoia with the religion?

I believe if for Qatari women to fight for their rights not us foreigners. We can point these things out but its up to them to fight, be it with the government or their own people. I just hope if they do decide to go this route none of them get killed in the process as they have shamed their families honour.

What a Sh..., all people should be equal... I total disagree with this dual rules...

People should be free here or any were!

you answered yourself adey.

of course it's all about saving face. That's part of our Arab culture not to expose our dirty laundry to foreigners

(In fact, we even have a proverb for that)...

Things like these, are always better kept under the carpet.

Have you ever seen any Arab politician get questioned about his secret encounters ;)

*muffled snigger*

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

At least the borg were all equal....

yeah, imagine a world where there were differences? Long live the Borg!

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Thank you, at last an answer to my question. I appreciate the honesty.

Thank you again , you are an honourable man

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Then you dont deserved to be a Qatari girl.

you are totaly different from them.

-=early worms catched by the early bird=-

ya know wat a mean..

yeyo ayman here

why is it you think then that anyone questioning the prescibed view of what a Qatari should think or do here on QL is so blasted?

Is it because some Qataris on here do not want ex-pats to know that not all Qataris are in agreement? Is it all about image and saving face?

This is not my opinion as I don't have one on the matter - it's just a question thrown out there to gauge others thoughts.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

There are many local Arabic forums, where you'll find different opinions & perspective from Qataris. Some are Conservative, liberal or even Atheist. Some issues about democracy & secularism are discussed in an open ground. Although in some point, it turns into liberal/west bashing and the whole big conspiracy theory.

The answer to your question, the father (or guardian) consent is a must.Lately there have been some flexibility as the consent latter can be permanently attached to the passport ( off course this is with the father's approval)

thank you for your input, it adds new facts to the discussion. However that was not exactly the question posed. We seem to know that women can travel independently without husbands by law. And that 18-25 year old single women need there fathers permission to travel.

What I am trying to find out, for example, is if a 26 year old single woman can independently apply for, and recieve, a passport with no male involvement at all BY LAW? The permission to travel is granted by the passport, what the question is, does the granting of a passport need male authority?

Thanks again

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I am sure there are a few, you seem to prescribe to the idea of 'group think' and that all Qatari's think as one.

It is only logical to assume that there are dissenting opinions - even amongst Qataris (Shock horror! lol)

The question is, what forum does one have for voicing these opinions if anyone posting on here is slapped down and told -"you must not say that!,you are a Qatari for goodness sakes!" - which has been the majority of reactions to this thread.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

i haven't been following your latest discussion exactly . But i can confirm, that married Qatari women can simply have her husband name imprinted in their passport. Thus, can travel any time they want without their husband's consent. My wife, because of her work, travels frequently abroad and that doesn't require my presence.

QL,CBD...i hope to read your comments on my EC thread :)

As Qataris yourself, what do you think of EC & the future of eduction in Qatar...

Adey,

You are basing your argument in QL? give me the name of one qatari lady who concedes what you say!

I don't want you to reference your pals at work!

And how should they voice those opinions? Do you think they have a right to voice those opinions in public?

I am not accusing you of lying because you have given no answer - I am saying you are evading giving an answer.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Adey.. Why is it hard for you to believe that we don't know if a grown up woman can have a passport without a male consent?

I don't know if there ever has been a Qatari woman who found herself suddenly without a passport. Like I said Qatari women get their passports immediately after birth.

Adey,

Don't make matters worse please lol..

I honestly do not know and it is not professional of you to accuse me of lieing coz that what you basically said. No apology needed and i am cool.

However, i told u assuming women are not allowed to get passport without male's agreement, then i see no issues at all! That is not answering your q! You need a hard copy do you?

Exiled..

Your wife needs your signature for everything because she's an expat and you're her sponsor.

I can buy whatever I want without any male consent. I own a business and my male relatives know nothing about it except what I chat with them about.

I own some stocks and they're in my name..I trade stocks myself .. One of my brothers opened an account for me the first time but it was a favor not a legal requirement. Minors need their fathers signature to open bank accounts and to buy stocks but not women over 21.

Many women own real estate and businesses as well and trade in them themselves.

This is not personal CBD, I suspect we would get on fine if I knew you in person. I am not being confrontational, as in aggresive. However I am confronting your 'position' - that is what a debate is. And again you sight my lack of knowledge yet you steadfastly refuse to answer a simple question, evade it even, about the passport issue that would increase my knowledge.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

"I am not expert in these transaction, but let us assume worst case where women cannot do so without her father or husband's concurrence. If so, i see no problems in that!"

You may see no problem in that but have you ever stopped to think that some Qatari women may see a problem in that?

Or are they just expected to 'shut up', as has been the response to the original post which questioned the rights of gender discrimination for Qatari women.

Now, this is of course a task for Qataris alone but everyone is entitled to an opinion and I would expect Qatari males would find it more difficult to morally blackmail me and tell me to shut up than a Qatari woman posting here. btw I don't include you amongst that baying mob.

That is just typical of what those who voice their opinion here have to put up with.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Adey,

we are about to go in circles here!

You know what, among other things, hurts me here? is that you and I and others could have a better relationship if we modify our approaches rather than being confrontational to each other especially when it is based on lack of knowledge.

Can you see this? Hope you do!

You brought up the point about strippers, not me. So I could throw that statement straight back at you - "Now tell me you are not projecting and proposing!!"

You are nearly there CBD but not quite giving me a staight answer. You don't have to be an expert; you are telling me that you, as a Qatari Male, do not know if your permission is needed for your wife or unmarried adult daughter to recieve a passport?

I find that hard to believe.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Adey,

that is something we differ at as well!

something is logically wrong here!! You see!

Quote from you:

"You stripper point is irrelevant -but if you want to pursue it, you do know there are male strippers? So again, you either decide to allow stripping or not - it applies to both sexes."

Now tell me you are not projecting and proposing!!

It is amazing how some sneak in!

Peace!!

You say 'human rights' - well whatever human rights Qatar wants to provide that is up to them...but...human rights apply to both genders otherwise the term means nothing. The word 'human' encompasses both male and female.

You stripper point is irrelevant -but if you want to pursue it, you do know there are male strippers? So again, you either decide to allow stripping or not - it applies to both sexes.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Adey,

I am not expert in these transaction, but let us assume worst case where women cannot do so without her father or husband's concurrence. If so, i see no problems in that!

Actually it is my wife who was really bothered by all of this, but no the society of another country should not be revamped because of a few foreigners. However there is pressure from within the society for change but a lot of influential people want to remain in control and keep the status quo......

I'm not here to change the world or even Qatar, just to earn a few bucks and go home. I know the rules, they pay me to do a job, no citenzship ever and I am expected to keep quiet and go home peacefully. This is what I shall do.

As for women who want to work as strippers. If that is their choice then I have no problem with it. Same with prostitutes. However if they are forced into doing it by others then that is wrong of course.

I am projecting nothing - I simply require facts.

If I am unqualified then please qualify me by educating me.

QatariLady already told me about women travelling, that was good of her, but the question I asked, which she did not know the answer to, was:

can a grown woman apply for and recieve a passport, not a renewal then, without the permission counter signed by a male relative?

CBD - can you give me a yes or no answer or will you try to evade the question?

It is not a difficult question to answer.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

exiledsaint,

This is your view of how women in this country should or should not be treated. Generally we are just fine, including women, with how women are treated- nothing is perfect!

Do you want us to revamp structure of our society to please someone like you! with all due respect!

Tell me how women enjoy true welfare in societies where they can freely striptease as they please!!!

Funny I am not Qatari or Arab, but when I asked my wife to get my daughter's birth certificate there first reply was where is your husband he should do this. I had to call and shout down the phone before they would do it...

Its one of the things my wife hates about this country, as a woman you are discrimated against either legally or culturally every day.

For example when she wanted to buy a car, to register it she had to get a letter of no objection from me, when she wanted to work, she had to get a letter of no objection from me...

Adey,

I though i did not make sense to you!

Never mind, You have just proven to be lacking knowledge and yet debate! Example is the ability of a grown Qatari woman to travel alone! a Fact! Again, if it could mean anything lol.

Can you be responsible enough and accept ur unqualification to judge the issue?

Likewise, I am not being rude but straight to the point.

One more thing which i hope explains everything: We are not a perfect society and we have so many issues. However, when you try to project Qatar as a horrible place in terms of human rights especially against women, then u r wrong! so wrong!

Peace!

Your son's birth certificate example makes sense`as I believe Islamic statutes state that the mother is responsible for a child up to the age of 9 then the father is responsible(divorce alters that state however in the father's favour)

Prehaps CBD could answer my passport question?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

life is not all about clubbing.

QatariLady,

On your side for certain!

Quote:"I remember that I applied for my son's birth certificate not my husband (if this could mean anything)"

If this could mean anything

Oh and the honour killing guy is right about one thing. Its nothing to do with Qatari women drinking or going to clubs, its the fact that they may meet and like foreign men.

All very interesting. If Superwoman is a Qatari or not and I have no evidence either way I she made a fundamental mistake in her post. If she had just posted about the blantant discrimination against entry to clubs rather than saying she drinks and doesn't alway wear the hijab the response may have been kinder to her. Interestingly the Qatari women I spoke to about this agree that she should not be allowed to enter clubs here which did surprise me but does under line the conservative theme that runs through this country. (However there other statement is go to a different country on holiday and you can have as much fun as you want, which kinda smacks of double standards...)

For the man raising honour killings and trying to justify them, well you my friend are a sick individual. If you think the intentional murder of female relevatives is justified then you are not a man of God, you work for the devil. There is a case in court in the UK at the moment, all because the boyfriend was the wrong type of muslim....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6883855.ece

Adey..

I don't know about applying for a passport. As I mentioned earlier, our parents apply for our passports almost immediately after birth. And I believe it's the father who applies for it not the mother.

I remember that I applied for my son's birth certificate not my husband (if this could mean anything)

When I said move on I was referring to moving on in life despite the obstacles. Sorry if you got it that I meant YOU in particular :)

I am just trying to asses what is legally allowed for women as oppossed to men - this has nothing to do with family preference, culture or religion - but what the law states and how it legally descriminates against women in certain fields.

Again for the forth time - can a grown woman apply for and recieve a passport, not a renewal then, without the permission counter signed by a male relative?

Give me an answer and I can, indeed, move on.

Peace :)

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

CuriousButDetermined..

..and on which side are you? :)

No Adey it's not allowed between 18 and 25.. and most families don't allow unmarried women to travel alone even after 25..

But we're fine with it. Yes it's nice to do whatever we want but rules are rules..move on :D

..and I forgot to answer your question about going to hospital..do they need permission to get health treatment in Saudi Arabia?!! OMG!

OS,

I am particulalry referring to what you said to PM earlier, some else done the same just above!

do you think it is nice to start question someone if he or she is a real muslim? How about your obligation towards muslims!

Attack the issue not the person.

Frankly, this is too bad to do.

I read your posts and I have nothing against you except what i stated above. Your call!

QatariLady,

Continue the battle lol I enjoy reading that!

You will find though that alot of claims made here result purely from a lack of understanding and comprehension of Qatari society. Therefore, I consider my participation here educational and not defending although it might be just as well.

CuriousButDetermined said One shot, It is so ...

One shot,

It is so discriminating of you to accuse/question someone of his/her faith!

You owe someone an apology if you have done so!

Sat, 24/10/2009 - 2:22am///

i didn't insult any one here

please...copy paste what i have said

to explain it to you, it could be misunderstanding

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

can a grown woman apply for and recieve a passport, not a renewal then, without the permission counter signed by a male relative?

So you are saying women between 18 and 25 cannot travel without a mans permission.

thank you, I did not know that.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Adey..

We get our passports at a very young age so we definitely need the father's signature :) for renewal I don't remember having any man's signature or approval. We just fill out the needed forms ourselves.

It is legal for a woman above 25 to travel without a man's permission (at least so I've heard.. never tried it myself).. however in every Qatari household you'll find different views and practices. In my family I can get on board a plane all by myself provided that I don't stay abroad without relatives..they could be cousins (females) ..they could be in-laws etc.

In my husband's family it's more strict..

I know other families who pemit their daughters (even below 25) to study abraod without a chaperone.

Again.. no one-fits-all rule..

Is there ever a time when a Qatari lady is ever held legally responsible for herself? After the age of 18 or 21 say?, when she can do all things without some males permission or counter signature?

The answer is no, you cannot get a passport at anytime in your life without a male relatives permission.

As you are a Qatari prehaps you would be honest and enlighten us as to what you cant do without male permission? - do you need a males permission to recieve hospital treatment as in Saudi? I would hope not as I do believe nowhere could be backward as Saudi.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

My objection was on the term 'property'.

And I'm not quite sure what you mean by "is it not the case that after 9 the father is legally responsible for the daighter until marraige?"

All fathers (and mothers) all over the world are responsible for their children. If you mean that in the case of a divorce the daughter moves in her father's home, then this rule is not a one-size-fits-all situation. It depends.. If the mother remarries the daughter lives with her father to protect her against any possible sexual abuse.

if the mother remains single the daughter can live with her forever. Yes the father is legally and financially responsible but this doesn't mean she's his property.

I was in my father's responsibility until he died 10 years back and I was well over 21 but never felt I was his property. I still pray for him and wish he were alive. His responsibility did not make me hate my life. Plus, I have four older brothers with whom I've had conflicts and arguments but never hated that they're legally responsible for me.

Now I'm married to a VERY, VERY conservative husband but I still live my life pretty well. I have a chance to fulfil my dreams and plan for my life within boundaries and it works just fine in the long run.

Life is not about doing EVERYTHING we want but making the best out of what we have.

Breaking all rules isn't necessary getting us to be what we deserve..Least of all CLUBBING :-/

Get yourself a passport then - all on your own with no help from any male relative.

And you forget Islamic law, is it not the case that after 9 the father is legally responsible for the daighter until marraige?

You can not cherry pick that which is Islamic one minute then say this is not the law of the land the next - which is the argument regarding consumption of alcohol by females(qatari ones)

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I just felt surprise... because it contradicts how i view qatari women...basically because i haven't had an opportunity to talk to them.. The best thing you can do is to travel, enjoy and just be happy... wish you goodluck! =)

{quote PM:] "After all, legally they are pretty much the property of their fathers, husbands or brothers."

Did you just say 'legally'?! Where did you get that from? :-O

This is the most ignorant phrase I've read by you so far!!

I'd rather say: 'supervised', 'led', 'protected', 'supported' ..etc. This is what our men do legally. True, a small minority would mistreat their women (just like any where else in the world) but to claim that 'legally' women are the property of men is utter ignorance!!

i took my time to read through this thread and am slightly shocked that QL user PM is a Muslim because her posts conflict what i have known this far about Islam.

what was even stranger is the lack of debate. basically its all arguments in personal levels taken quite sensitively by a few of the users. let me point out the funny part - when a user fails to continue with the pointless 'argument' they tend to deviate towards language proficiency. lol

now since i have read the whole thread which i doubt anyone else actually did (it took me almost an hour), i think the fair conclusion would be:

Qatari Men should be denied entry to premises serving alcohol just like the Qatari Women.

having the above rule applied, what i was wondering is... would they consider to ban alcohol completely?

no offense, just loud thinking, Cheers!

Club with Alkohol just like a rest room...male and female...Does Superwoman want to use Male rest room ??

“The fool speaks, the wise man listens”

I wanted to write u before but i get busy anyway ,I think u r very wrong when u take this as against u in Arabic we say (عسى ان تكرهوا شيئا وهو خيرا لكم )and take this story some gang force one man to do one of these things kill a boy or sleep with his mother or drink al kohool (whisky) ,then he choose the easy one he think it is drinking al oohol after he is drinking al kohool he lost his mind , then he kill the boy and slept with his mother . maybe this not true story but what I want to say if they allowed u to go to the club then u drink too much then some of the men take u and slept with u , then you loose the most value for the women then you wished that somebody not let u in . and u should proud to be a Muslim 1st, and woman 2nd , and a Qatari 3rd , and u should be proud about that ,read about Muslim women in Islam and how her treatment and read about non Muslim woman and how they treat her . and then u should be proud that u r Muslim women .go back to your religion and yourself and think about it, People search and search till they find the Islam is the solution and u r a Muslim by born ,u do not have to look just little reads and u will be a good Muslim woman and proud about it ( الله يهديكي ) .

One shot,

It is so discriminating of you to accuse/question someone of his/her faith!

You owe someone an apology if you have done so!

pm

LOL

it was a joke , i didn't mean it

:P , don't get so sensitive

adey

i will try to understand what you are saying next time inshallah

good night all "kisses"

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

Well if that made any sense, either lingustic or rational, I would be able to respond.

As it is all I can say ..............whatever you are trying to say I am sure it's logically incorrect.

By the way, I am not against religion, Islam or otherwise, what I am against is the unjustified influence and power religion demands.

You or anyone else can believe what ever you want as long others are not beholden to any of it's precepts or rules.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I have NEVER threatened anyone, nor would I ever -- even though I have received a number of threats on QL.

Why would you even think that is funny to kid about?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

you are contradicting your self here

can you see it?

you are against the religion

BUT

you are with freedom to do whatever you want

BUT

you are not with freedom to do whatever you want IF it makes a direct damage "not potential" .

BUT

you are with the rules against actions could make a serious "potential" damage

BUT

you are against religion of Islam which made this rules

and differ between what is serious and what is un-pleasant

HAHAHAHAHAHA

you must be number 1 in PM list of double standards

did she send you death threats letters? or have you received dead fish "like mafia style"?

it could be from her LOOOL

pm"i am kidding"

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

You just illustrate the problems of using religious dogma as the Law of the Land. It does not allow for freedom of conscience.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

good both men and women , which III AGRREEEE WITH

secondly , i was pushing you to post like this ;).

so there is a scales we should follow to determine if over eating is on the same level of drinking and driving.

here we call it Islamic rules , we believe that it has been sent by God to protect the humanity. and we think it is perfect .

you call it rules to follow .

by the way do you know that over eating is not-pleasant action in islam ?

i will shock you more ...

do you know that eating "itself " is Forbidden in islam?

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>>> when you eat and you know that your neighbor is hungry.

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

NICE ONE

easy to answer

all your drinking and driving as well as drugs etc laws apply to BOTH men and women.

secondly, your freedom to over eat may hurt me as you may have a heart attack at the wheel of your car due to your potential obesity, your car may career across the sidewalk where I may be walking and you might end my life.

These are all potential consequences, they haven't happened yet....but by your logic we should close all restuarants and strictly enforce all diets and portion sizes of all home cooked meals....Just in case.

So your freedom to over eat hurts me.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

See Superwoman, what u do and what you don't as being a muslim thats a matter between you and Allah, but to some extent I agree with you regarding partiality between men & women, Ok I know bibi Huwa was made from Adam's ribs and women have less legal right as men in Islam, but Islam never said men go clubbing women can't what a Hippocratic act, Any ways superwoman what you can do is to have some patience and read about some great leader like Abraham Lincon, Mahatama Gandhi etc.... And the last always try to see both sides because then you will also become one of them who make biased & partial laws and senses to this society ....Best of Luck .......

Maverick

PM,

it is not that your point is hard as much as the issue is too complex :) hope that makes sense. let me know if not.

Adey,

Good to see you too! I don't mind critiques so you are not rude!

THIS LAW KEEPS THE HONOR KILLINGS DOWN TO A MINIMUM. IMAGINE A QATARI MAN GETS TO DANCING AT THE DISCO, MAKING HIS WAY THROUGH THE DISCO, HE BUMPS INTO HIS 21 YEAR OLD SISTER, DRUNK, AND DANCING WITH A FOREIGNER. I AM SURE HE WOULD NOT SAY "HEY SIS, HAVING FUN?" HE WOULD PROBABLY JUST PROCEED INTO WHIPPING HER A** OR WORSE. SISTER WOULD PROBABLY DISAPPEAR NEVER TO BE SEEN OR HEARD FROM AGAIN.

then you must not generalize , your rule is broken

qatar is considered as islamic country and follows the islamic rules .

since drinking is against islam rules then it should be prohibited in all areas for muslims .

and any action against that could hurt the other muslims by breaking these rules "men and women"

and if you are saying that only "potential hurt" then why they prohibited drunk people to drive in all the countries , it stays potential , they didn't kill some one YET.

what about drugs? it damages the societies , why they prohibit dealing with it , and in some countries they prohibit also drinking it?

the "high" person didn't hurt himself or others YET.

please explain your theory , because i can't get it

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

You were the one who brought up the issue of "cultural and historical conditions" that would supposedly help us understand the issues behind this thread (i.e., why Qatari women are not allowed into clubs in the same way Qatari men are).

Is it really that hard to understand the point I am making?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

"Freedom of person stops when it hurts the others"

What hurt to others could a Qatari woman do by going to a club that could not be done by a Qatari man?

Also this statement is only true of actual hurt not potential hurt - otherwise everything would have to be restricted. You cant legislate for what might happen in a few cases to cover everyone.

CBD - good to see you back, but I cant really debate with you because you always seem to write in riddles without really saying anything. I'm not being rude, prehaps it's me but i can never fathom what it is you actually mean.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM,

If we are talking about legitimacy then many things will work in our favour which is to make things more conservative, this is number 1.

Number 2, what are you basing legitimacy upon? to allow people to go and drink!! something the west is losing fortune on just to benefit some big thieves and merchants!!

I am against Qatari men drinking anyway let alone allowing them to!

Pm , you really hate men O.O :D

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

and not WOMEN? Can you give me the cultural and historical conditions that make this acceptable?

I personally believe if you want laws to prevent Qataris from drinking it should be applied to all Muslims, since presumably you are basing that decision on the interpretation of Islamic law.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

agree with jd

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE DENIED ENTRY

WHY IS IT NOT HURTING THE FOREIGN WOMEN?

NO RESPECT FOR THEM? AND ALSO THE QATARI MEN. YOU SEND THEM TO THE PUBS TO PICK UP FOREIGN WOMEN AND PARTICIPATE IN INFIDELIC ACTIVITIES? IT US OK TO BE HURT AND CORRUPTED BY THE DISCOS AND PUBS IF YOU ARE QATARI MAN?

If freedom means absoltue choice of what to do, then your logic should be revised!

This is to all!

You need to consider all cultural and historical conditions before you present views and non of you seems to have done a satisfactory job on this regard!

Peace to all!

Freedom of person stops when it hurts the others

adey i think you are wrong

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

my history is reaaally clean ;) and have nothing against PM

unless she is wrong in something , then she has to join the queue

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

"Each of us have the freedom of what to do"

Obviously not! Which is the whole point of this thread.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

and I won't waste my breath on you. :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

and I have heard similar views expressed by them. Could it be that they maybe present a different view to others than they do to you "Qatari men"? After all, legally they are pretty much the property of their fathers, husbands or brothers so it is understandable to me that the views expressed by superwoman as a Qataria may not be consistent with what you are used to and expect.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

look at your history.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

i don't remember , unless you have many accounts ;)

are you superwoman ? you don't look like one :D

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

read this fatwa about what you said above

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-Arabic-Ask_Scholar/FatwaA/FatwaA&cid=1122528608222

it is in arabic

but the summary that , THE TESTIMONY OF TWO WOMEN IS EQUAL TO ONE MANS in only what he have experience in .

that is all

and it is refer that in some testimonies , woman testimony could equal 2 mens in the same field that woman has experience in .

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

PM,

I find this thread dragging me and I already tried to stay away but it is hurting me! Honestly, I believe superwoman is not worthy of our attention and my post replies here are to educate those who know nothing or little!

I may not have answered if it was someone else but to your question..my answer is..we know our people and know the nitty gritty of our society..Superwoman is either non Qatari or a ruined one who lived under extreme conditions and who is not representative of Qatari girls nor is welcomed with here poisoning calls!

Simply you may refer to Qatari girls in this thread to see for yourself!

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PS. Regarding another separate issue by the way, Thank you for the info on predictive software that could be used to check students' papers! This is really a cool tool! You always teach me new stuff!

We have been on many threads (not THREATS) together. Just review your history here and you can see.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I can understand what I hear, but do not read Arabic.

But we are posting in English so what does YOUR ARABIC have to do with anything????

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

whaat????

this is the first time , i get involved with you in a real discussion .

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

i think , YOU don't understand my arabic

because of that i can see a comment like this above.

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

A THREAD??? But this a reply on a thread here on QL. My reply is not a thread at all -- it is part of a thread.

Do you mean "threat"? If you do I would ask you what you find "threatening" about ANYTHING I have written to you?

As for double standards, I am not denying anything. I don't like the way you treat me on QL and am admittedly treating you the same way. No double standard there. I am giving you exactly what you dish out -- and deserve.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

THE TESTIMONY OF TWO WOMEN IS EQUAL TO ONE MANS. SO IF SHE TALKS IT IS ONLY HALF TRUE? WE NEED ANOTHER WOMAN TO FIGURE THAT OUT? GET THAT OTHER 50 PERCENT?

and again if you understood English clearly, you would know that "It is not uncommon among Arab men of a certain type and educational background" does not GENERALIZE about Arab men. It refers to a specific type that exists. You are in the group in my opinion. That doesn't imply ALL Arab men are like that.

If you don't understand my English, just ask for a clarification.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

:D

nice , then you can refer to it in many many threads.

actually you can make your own topic about double standards.

but first of all have you asked yourself if you have double standards?

///Don't try to make this an attack on me. I won't play that stupid game with you.///

i will not consider this as a thread ;)

but you are attacking me pm. read your posts above , you just posted them half an hour ago ,it is not that long to forget.

you are contradicting yourself in "double standards"

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/nea/119125.htm

Yeb, every1 writing up here in regards for this strange purpose forum?

Lets go to USA or most Europe Bars / Night clubs ..

********** Do u know most clubs will not allow Arabs & Chinese and most 3rd countries nationalities to enter

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pls don’t deny ,, as me my self I have been their and for long time I note it , even if u have everything means everything (include ur money) they will not deal with u never as they r the 1st world people who r talking and writing here about Gender Equity , come on people …

By the way we need to know even more , yes we r 3rd countries including the gulf countries ,,, & by the way just who made us 3rd countries ???, doesn’t it happened cos they "the 1st world countries " captured us for hundred of years and use all our resources and did everything to keep us 3rd!! will not write about politics here just ,

don’t belive this fake and don’t talk about it here , don’t attack our culture and religion cos u r civilized NOOOOO cos u r not,,

Yes they attack OBAMA cos he kill " a fly" live in his interview wow looks great still they consider all other nations r lower "not full human!!!" and u can try this ur self Qatari girl go their>>>>>>> go to their free and civilized community , C how they will deal with u ? u will feel tooo much less than any others ,,

Am not saying this to attack their culture NOP they have a lot of good and positives issues which we need to learn just I want to clear the facts , so pls again don’t involve our history and religion in this , yes we want to keep our girls safe we want them to be educated and to work every where and be great mothers , we can Learn from u and be civilized positively but nothing else.

Regards.

what is that about treating women like pearls?

Strange way of treating a pearl - saying f**k you at the end of your post.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Because I have NEVER encouraged ANY Muslim to go to a club or drink. I onyl pointed out and responded to the double standard. But I can see how you would like to imply that as a means of discrediting me.

Don't try to make this an attack on me. I won't play that stupid game with you.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

what you need to do just to respect the country you live in,,thats it....you are fake...and u shouldnt throw stone to the well where you drink from..f ....u

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PM said Because I see you consistently being intolerant ...

and incapable of accepting people's opinions if they don't agree with you. That doesn't surprise me, though. It is not uncommon among Arab men of a certain type and educational background.///

do you know that you are the one who insulted me in this ??

2 mistakes PM.

1- you judged on me that i am intolerant.

2- you generlized all arabs

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

you are very very cleaver making all people to feel soory when you are not girl and not even qatari...

if you mean bad things.god will sorted i am sure .if just for fun god know.you are not from her respect the county you live in .....and dont throw stone from the well where you drink a water.f....u

Great ,

As a muslim when we see wrong or corruption , we tried to correct it , and if we can't we say it is wrong , if we can't we believe it is wrong.

it is not about man and woman here.

i didn't see in any of your posts that also "muslim" men should not be allowed to enter clubs because it is against our religion , instead you are debating in the same side of the woman (which is good) but calling her to go clubbing )

Do you think that as a "muslim " this is right?

instead of keeping them away of haram , you are increasing the ability to let the community accept the qatari woman to club.

and if you wanted really to help women , there is 100 cause better than this, and you can open 1000 threads about this .

and you will find me the first one who will support you but under the rules of islam as me and you believe .

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

SO IT IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION...NOT ABOUT RELIGION.....NOT ABOUT RELIGION

and incapable of accepting people's opinions if they don't agree with you. That doesn't surprise me, though. It is not uncommon among Arab men of a certain type and educational background.

Now again I am asking you: WHY DO YOU ASK IF I AM REALLY A MUSIM WOMAN?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

FOR ALL THE NON-BELIEVERS

HERE IS THE PEARL MEMBERSHIP GUIDELINES.

CLEARLY STATES....CANNOT BE A QATARI FEMALE!

QATARI MEN CAN ENTER AS LONG AS THEY DON'T WEAR THEIR NATIONAL DRESS.

IF IT WERE ABOUT NOT WANTING TO CORRUPT THE HOST COUNTRY NATIONALS, THEN QATARI MEN WOULD ALSO NOT BE PERMITTED.

SO IF YOU ARE A FOREIGN WOMAN, OR FOREIGN MAN, OR QATARI MAN, YOU CAN ENTER.

you said this

"But it doesn't surprise me."

what you saw from my posts to direct you to this conclusion ?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

I said YES.

WHY DO YOU ASK?????

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

please answer my question

you are imagining things i didn't say

please answer my question

isn't that difficult?

and why you saw it insulating?

i am not attacking anyone here

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

Are you following the ignorant reactionary crowd who think this thread is about drinking?

In case you don't get it: It's about discrimination between Qatari men and women.

BTW, I find your post questioning me faith and honesty insulting. But it doesn't surprise me.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Pm

can i ask you one question?

Are u really a muslim women? like you are claiming?

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"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

Although I do find it ironic that "proud" is posting a revealing photo of Miley Cyrus, and yet chastises Superwoman for not being engaged in serious issues! :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

CAUTION: BLONDE THINKING

If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

unless you know the mind of every Qatari female in the country then you can't say that no Qatari would ever say such things or want to do such things.

Do you know the thoughts of every Qatari woman?

No what you are really saying, is that YOU demand this of every Qatari woman.

Isn't this thread gone on long enoough? Nothing new or particulaly interesting has been said for a long time.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

You shout too much!

DO YOU THINK THAT QATARI LADIES WILL GO EVEN IF SHE S INTERESTED OF THAT TO SOMNE BAR IN HER COUNTRY DIRECTLY POLICE WILL COME TO CATCH HER THE ONE WHO WRITE THAT JUST WANT TO INSULT ARABIC PEOPLE AS THEY HAVE DIFFICULT MENTALITY AND ISLAM I WILL KNOW THE TRUE ABOUT THIS POST AND PROOVE TO ALL READERS THAT THIS POST IS A BIG LIE

AS I AM QATARI NO QATARI LADIES WILL TALK LIKE THAT OR DO SUCH THINKS JUST WANT TO INSULT ISLAM ....WHO IS THE PERSON WHO POST THAT \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

if you know what you are doing is right and know how to handle it, i guess Qatar is not the limit for you. You can always enjoi else where, isn't it? More over, i have qatari friends who keep a low profile here cos, they t all well know here, but whenever they want to enjoi, they either take off 2 europe of far-east, have a blast and come back. You know, there are rules that can't b broken, but as a person, it's always 50% fine to bend it :)

Both can be Qatari...However, "Proud" has a point in what she posted.

is actually Qatari but Superwoman is not? Is it because you WANT to believe that this is the way Qatari women think and feel and you don't want to be associated with someone who doesn't repeat the Party Line you are more comfortable with?

I smell the distinct odor of hypocrisy here....

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

There you go, 'proudtobeqatari' is just another reason to admire the qatari women..,. good on u.

sadly some people haste into conclusions with a weird misinterpretation of poor reading skills.. never mind it. :)

proud to be qatari..

I think you have many things to be proud of!!

what an impressive speech that was!!

A CLUB!!

I do not read all threads… if you wanna be a srilankan I have proposal

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"If you born poor it's not your mistake

But if you die poor it's your mistake"

wel im just a new here in this kind of website ... wel i think just to try hang out with raven then milkyway is not even your limits ... such a nice topic you made me regiser here to reply it .. you sucssed...

raven ( bad black bird)..

Superwoman

Life is not so easy. Not everybody is happay in working and living in where they are. I am glad that you relaised that you do you feel when you were stopped to go in. See how many people in DOHA were happen this.

Don't be too much disspointed your self. You can not run away simple as you like. You have to be what you are. Just wish for future luck or luck for next life.

A lot of options must be available for you but you have to be working, studying like us such as having kind heart, hard working, telling true, sincerely,etc.

Time is the most important factor for everybody life. I have never dream in my life in one day I will be here/this region to work and live for a while. Now I am physically here.

So cheer up, ask me or PM more questions if you need more information or consultation. I only want to say is "Never give up of what you wanted to be".

" A small piece of wood can be a lifesave if you are in the deep sea"

All the best

Aisha, You are absolutely right.....We have to see Qatar as a whole as.. as system not piece by piece...We will find that this country is a paradise in the dessert...

I met many Qatari women and they are all smart and proud with all they have...because they know how to appreciate what they have...and confident with themselves..they are willing to learn and leverage their position in fairly manner..

For some poor and narrow mind ....Neighbour yard always looks greener...shame on her/him...

I fully understand your feelings. I admire you for writing and letting your feelings or stand known.

I do agree that your country has this double standard laws, that it is racist.

Why not be an instrument of changes here in your country? Establish yourself till you reach the position or situation to influence, and urge people in authority to make this double standard laws fair.

In fairness, the double standard that you are complaining about is also true in the whole wide world. The only difference is that it is subtly hidden, or sugarly coated as we see it.

Let us take for example the rich and the poor, the wise and the fool. The rich can buy luxurious car as many as they can afford it, the poor wants to buy also but not allowed by the so called money. The wise can speak and people will appreciate what he will say. The fool can also speak and be heard of, but to be mocked later on.

Be an agent of change to your country. if you can't enjoy it today your children will.

progress

How do you know that a lot of Qatari girls feel the same. they want their freedom same as any person, of any country and any sex.. why do muslim men play around and expect all muslim women to be saints??? weired???/ yes

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

Dear all...........

Actully Superwoman is not a Qatari girl infact she is trying to Mis-Guide the other girls and She wants them to be Ignorant about their Religion and Culture. its just a Dream which will never come True....

May Allah Guide Superwoman Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnn

1st of all I need u to understand it took a time for me to wrote this ,just like to advice u if u will concern to it or not will be ur issue,,

I need u to open ur mind

I want to tell u am shock to read what u wrote , yes it's good to be developed and open mind still lets c it from another window ,

Do u think all Arab girls (not only Qatari) girls r ready for what u ask for?

With all their culture and history , do u believe they will understand the freedom as western girls? They will be safe? They will not lose the Road?

Its not religion issue by the way its culture and 100's of years of programs inside us which still need long time to be changed ?

i spend good time in Europe and u will find 2 types of peoples , some will celebrate the week end and be successful in their life most (girls) lost the way and discoverd that only after they become old and find their self at least alone!! ,,

believe me,, am sure when the government took this step this was and still to protect u and other girls from being in risk,(RISK) even from the chance to be in risk , this is good ,

even if u lets say will not lose the way with ur modern mind , others 85% will ?

do u got it???

Let us look from another window which u never look?

U care to be male not female?!!!

I need u to have a look to other nations problems , peoples suffer just to survive , peoples lost their lands , peoples die from hunger , tack deep look and (think to think) in something bigger , work with human rights ? why not?

I think if u allow me its ur friends who miss the windows for u , its nice to celebrate and u can arrange parties any time as privet as u wish still , why u want this to be discuss in public ? why u want some (not ready )girls mind to read this ? am sure u will not be happy if some of them lost the way cos something u wrote ..

In some stage of ur life will tack the wrong steps cos some wrong doors were open in the wrong time ? what u will prefer about those doors ?

I believe better to be closed or not even exist at all.

By they end be sure I respect ur mind and thinking as every1 have the right to think and others will always try to guide (if they care),, yeb?

Good luck

You question whether she IS Qatari, criticize her for "running to the expats" and even make a point about how she is running after Western things, but YOU are the one who seems to be running after the West with something as fundamental as your picture which is at odds with your "screen name".

Sorry but there is something amiss in your post.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

You fee the need to post a picture of as non-Qatari woman (who is not only uncovered but showing her breasts) as your avatar??? Sorry, but I don't buy it.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Though I don't agree with everything that you said but still nice to see a wise opinion on this thread proudtobeqatari...

When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity. - Albert Einstein

BE AFRAID..

What happens to superwoman?

Brava! PM, I can't say i'm shocked you're beating them off with a stick, Quite the Femme Fatale are you?

I am obsessed with RAND??? Provide a link, a quote to back your accusation. This is the very first time I have mentioned RAND! Why is there something we shouldn't know?

I did a wee background check on you honey, interestingly according to QL legend (and archives) there is a long list of people who accuse you of pretending to be something you're not! Now this explains why you are taking it out on me :)

I have no interest in this sterile bickering, because I know you are only doing this to compromise thelovely integrity and truly insightful thread.

FREEDOM - TRUTH - DEMOCRICY - We only support them back in the U.S

haha i mean to be honest i dun have much to say but as u mentioned about no body got balls to stand up well thats true we got balls but its been castrated by ur govt :) sorry the thing is for you guys its just about having fun i know ur a gurl ur qatrii n u cant enter :) that sux sorry for that i never knew that before cuz i've seen many despo qatri guys gettin in clubs and u know the rest about their character not being disrespectful to the country i like this country but they got double standard :) well i gues since ur born here in a qatrii family :) good luck i hope all the best for you well if u wanna go to some parties which is way better than cluubs :) am always here to help you in this case u gottaa flash money insted of ur id :) which means haha private clubs parties with foreign pppl :) well u might find some qatrii gus as well :) .. well ne who ... u seems like an intresting person .. dun much care about ppls opnion do wut u thing is right if ur a true muslim then be one if ur not a true muslim then dont be one :) .. its as simple as that :)

It's a dead giveaway.

But I don't dine with strangers -- men or Qatari women pretending to be married American men. Thanks anyway! :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Qatarilady..Why thank you for admiring me! I'm not really into this tough love style.

So don't hold you're breath waiting for me to reciprocate your feelings...I don't see it happening in the near future, But then again, you're welcome to try ;)

PM...What intelligence? j/k lol

How intriguing and novel this software is to the region: A RAND creation? Maybe you can program it to finish the road works in La La land :p

I would invite you to a candle light dinner, which would be a more civilized approach for getting to know me, but I doubt my wife would approve :(

This thread has lost its meaning of tolerance and coexistence and non discrimination. I have nothing more to add here.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS: IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL CAN HAVE THEM - THEN SO SHOULD IRAN.

so, what is the heavens conclusion? should qatari men be allowed to enter clubs/pubs ? and if yes, then why not qatari women...? why ? why?

our intelligence with this charade. Besides, what's wrong with being Qatarita?

BTW, did you know there are author recognition softwares that help you identify people by their writing? I've heard many universities are using it now to insure their papers are actually written by the students submitting them.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

hahaha

هذا اللي يكذب الكذبة ويصدقها

I really admire many of your qualities and hate to argue a lot with you..

I'm out of this ;)

Oh Yes QatariLady

QatariLady said...

And Dali I agree with you that HH shouldn't have allowed the photographers to take this picture anyway as HH is a role model to many young girls..

Mon, 19/10/2009 - 1:15pm"

Is this according to your standards????? Because you appear to be in contradiction.

Frankly dear, you are quite aggressive not only towards me but it is YOU who is bashing Her Highness Sheikha Mozah.

I remind you that you are in no position to disagree with her allowing her beautiful photo to be taken that shows her lifestyle, because according to YOU it depicts a negative role model to young girls.

Im beginning to think you must be this qtarita person, tsk tsk

Her Highness is the epitome of fashion, social and traditional reform, a beacon of contemporary Islamic values. She doesn't only symbolize an icon for young ladies but she ushers in the Moderate Muslim movement carefully calculated through Rand for Qatar.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG574/

Judging by your response your old school creed and values are being systematically replaced by a new set. I may be wrong but it appears as though you object to Rand cultivating your countries values?

I think you wrote that in another thread.

Well relax, its not like you will be accountable on the day of all days, now are you?

"I disagree with everything you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

On loan from Dracula as I do not plagerize

NUCLEAR WEAPONS: IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL CAN HAVE THEM - THEN SO SHOULD IRAN.

QatariLady, So are you racist towards Americans or just those who didn't take you seriously enough to spell check prior to posting? I'm more concerned about what's being said. But that's just me.

Plus I haven't said I disagree with HH lifestyle and right to have her picture taken on the contrary, it's a beautiful picture on so many levels :)

While you're on your crusade complaining to National security, please don't forget to rant that I didn't spell check for you and more importantly about, according to you the Sheikhas unwise decision to take the picture that shows her (according to your high standards) is a bad role model! I hear these matters are ranked way up alongside fighting terrorism :)

It would be nice to see the day that you just appreciate her work and respect her choices...

"I disagree with everything you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

On loan from Dracula as I do not plagerize

NUCLEAR WEAPONS: IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL CAN HAVE THEM - THEN SO SHOULD IRAN.

It's called "FREE WILL" Brother!!!!!

I agree to what Aisha has said above. I believe each and every thing in this universe has double aspects. It could be positive as well as on the other side it could be negative. I suggest you should take things or happenings from their POSITIVE ASPECT. This would create patience in you and will let your will-power to boost you for good things in better ways.

so strange that a girl want to change her nationality and hate her country just because she was not allowed to enter a club !!

And Dali I agree with you that HH shouldn't have allowed the photographers to take this picture anyway as HH is a role model to many young girls..