homosexual hypocricy

Homosexs and polygamy topic seem to merry go round here. Now its the lion who is the victim of accusation. Who's next, a homosex camel with 10 femine?

People just need to do whatever they need to do.

As long as all involved are happy then let them get on with it

There is no God so just enjoy life

Very well said Dude! Am giving u a five star satule^^ bang ! bang!

Did my point get ignored?

Samix, the polygamy that human's practice is NOT natural to animals. Animals either mate with one other animal for life, or they mate indescriminately. Polygamy in humans is like giving them the option to mate indescriminitely, but then imposing a forced permanency on those that they have chosen to mate with. To my knowledge, no animal chooses permanent multiple partners.

Samix you forget

- Polygamy by Humans is a choice

- Homosexuality in Humans is not a choice (for the fast majority), I would accept calling it a birth-defect.

- Polygamy in animals is natural

- Homosexuality in animal is natural

Humans, across the world, have dismissed polygamy by choice as it is unethical and unnatural in their eyes and does not fit in modern societies and its perception. There is one religion that strongly disagrees with this as a book has something else to say about it.

My question: God created Eve for, and out of Adam.

And not

Adam, Eve, Rachel, Layla and Britney

As far as I know, your prophet never said you should marry four, he actually advices against it if I am not mistaken. If done, it should be a social move by marrying a poor widow that can not take care of herself, sex in essence has nothing to do with it. Polygamy in Islam, in my humble opinion, has been abused and is seldom the basis of a social act.

You seem deeply confused about what is natural in MOST animals and what is natural in SOME animals.

Your point seems to be that any trait that exists in any animal is natural in ALL animals and to deny it in humans is hypocritical.

Substitute polygamy with the ability to fly or breathe underwater - most animals cannot fly, or breathe underwater, and to suggest that humans should be able to because certain animals can is ludicrous and simplistic.

Gypsy's post (http://www.qatarliving.com/node/559973) made the point that 'Homosexuality in Animals is Nearly Universal', and that's the key word - UNIVERSAL.

Can you see the difference?

'So your point only applies if humans are naturally polygamous, which they don't appear to be.'

see here is the point on the one hand you say that homosexuality should be allowed because it is natural to animals thus it should be natural to us on the other hand you say that humans don't appear to be naturally polygamous, so in effect you are hinting at the fact that animal and human nature differ.

So how come you support homosexuality in humans because it is natural to animals and not support polygamy even though it is natural to animals but you get the point.

Thus the hypocrisy

human to animal! Unless you feel one........ (is that natural?)

"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

The thing is samix, are you referring to polygamy, as in marrying more than one person, or as having sex with a lot of people?

From what I know, animals don't naturally permanently bond with multiple other animals. It is either a permanent bond with one, or mating indescriminately with many. With humans, polygamy is like allowing indescriminate mating, but then forcing a permanent bond.

But it's not natural to all animals. Animals vary, some mate for life, some screw once and never see each other again. So your point only applies if humans are naturally polygamous, which they don't appear to be.

The dude I never said it is natural, rather i am trying to prove the fallacy of the those people who try to justify homosexuality because it is prevalent in animals.

At the same time I am amazed by the fact that the same people are staunch opponents of polygamy, even when the argument they use to justify homosexuality can be equally used to justify polygamy.

This may not be true to everyone though.

the argument that in polygamy people(women) are exploited is again contrary to the first argument, but if it is natural to animals then it is natural there is no exploitation.

I dont disagree that some people may exploit in a polygamous marrige, but this is the whole point that I am trying to make that 'just because it is natural to animals it should be ok for us , is a fallacy'

Its another case of

Do as we say,Not as we do !! from the learned people.

While we are on the subject of homos quick question to all the straight men out here. How many of you would like to see two HOT lesbians make out? I saw this movie yesterday called "I can't think straight" its about 2 lesbians and i was glued to the screen.

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What Gypsy says 100% x 3.

The only objection people really have against polygamy, is that often there are people (usually women) being exploited. One form of exploitation is allowing men to be polygamists, but denying women. Another form is by encouraging someone to believe that it is their position in society to accept being a multiple partner. There are ways to make a person accept to be one of many, without them actually truly wanting to be, and that is what people object to. In our day and age you rarely see people who are truly happy sharing their partner with other people, but they instead see it as something they must endure for them to be with the person they want to be, or to get the benefits from the relationship that they want.

I think there is nothing to argue about. The statement made was merely an observation with the behavior of animals in relation to human.

Firstly, Im not quite sure if the statement is justifying that either it is ok to be gay or polygamous just because animals do it?

Secondly, would it be justifiable to say that humans are more rational than animals that they know what is right and what is wrong?

Thirdly, the term moral, or what is right and wrong varries from person to person. It is established by cultures, religion and the upbringing of the person. your right might be wrong for me.

Fourth, respect, a fundamental of harmony, has been thought at home and in school but it seems to be difficult for some people to understand it.

In summarry... The issue is not being gay or engaging in polygamy, neither the lions or any other animals.

Well, you could be an animal barking at each other, or be rational enough to be human and respect one another.

i think it's becoz they r either bored or proving that they r natural(not meant for anyone to make it clear)

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But Samix is silent...

Samix, can you please read my comments and get back to me on that. (from the gay lion up)

Fubar

People keep discussing it as they 'suffer' from IT.

I have NEVER seen a forum where 'gay' is a daily subject. Loads of Arabs are living in fear as their true nature is NOT accepted here. So discussing it, becomes therapeutic.

Right Samix?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the people who keep opening the threads why they are so obsessed with it.

Why is it always on their mind?

Why do they keep wanting to talk about it?

Are they curious???

y is every1 arguing about homosexuality??/

wat's hapening ppl

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I think poor Samix is a bit muddled, and thinks that all people on QL speak with one mixed voice.

There are people who say that "homosexuality should be allowed because it is natural among animals". There are also people who say the opposite.

There are also people for whom "when Islam speaks of polygamy they raise a huge hue and cry like its something so unnatural". There are also people who say the opposite.

They aren't often the same individuals, Samix, in case you haven't noticed.

In fact I would hasten to guess that the people who are accepting of homosexuality are the very same people who are usually accepting of polygamy, since they are all people who believe in free choice.

Don't try and paint all non-Muslims on QL as a single, confused individual. We are a disparate bunch of confused individuals with our own opinions.

Whatever floats your boat Brit.

So what about midgets and extremely leggy blondes in high heels.. Do they count ??

Samix - Homosexuality is something people are born with. I am not sure whether its curable.Anyway Its not by choice.

Taste, urge, desire..etc natural call dude. You may change one day, never know.;)

wher as polygamy is something people can accept and deny, so its by choice.

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Are you addressing this at anyone in particular?

"But when it is against your position then go the other way!"

My position on what?

What are you talking about??

Who is going the other way?

There you go if it supports your position use 'its natural because its natural among animals'

But when it is against your position then go the other way!

I say screw around with whoever you want as long as they consent. And before anyone says it, animals and children aren't capable of rational consent, therefore they don't count. Screwing them is just abuse.

Okay, I'll concede that point Gypsy.

Normal would be just to allow everyone to screw around with whoever they want to, and have some freedom and some privacy.

Why are people on this site so obsessed with poking their nose in on other people's business?

They aren't getting any themselves, so they want to elbow in on other people's fun?

I disagree I think the act of coupling monogamously for long periods of time is natural to humans. While I don't think polygamy is completely unnatural to humans, I don't think it's the "norm," or at least not in the past, as jealously is natural to humans, and I don't think people are capable of providing satisfactory emotional support to multiple people at the same time. Someones always going to feel left out.

But everyone's different, so if they can make it work and be happy, more power to them.

But when western guys go and screw all the women that they can find, people complain. How is that different from the lion and the pride?

The only thing that's unnatural is marriage, whether it is to one wife or four.

I don't particularly care how anyone practices polygamy as long as everyone in it cosents (and most importantly is old enough to consent), and there's no abuse. If a woman is ok with her hsuband having more then one wife, or a husband ok with his wife having more then one husband, more power to them.

Gypsy...

But doesn't Mohammed advice against polygamy as it is demanded that you treat/love all wives equally, which in essence is impossible. And was this not invented to help the poor?

Samix says...

"In a pride of lions , the lion who is the head of the pride has the right to all the lionesses in the pride and this is natural behavior that we all know"

.... to me that is abusing polygamy. The females do not need him, they can have others to take care of him. So in this thread he exposes himself in a way.

I do support polygamy Samix. As long as all the people involved consent to it.

So, I am now assuming Samix that you will take it up the ass in absence of females, which would justify homosexual behavior.... as you say "it is natural".

So,

The lion has the right to mount his lionesses, and other lionesses.

Cool

So how do you explain this....

Exposed what?

That you are simply backwards?

Ok, thanks.

why would we compare humans with lions? or shall I compare people with baboons as well? hmmm or maybe pigs?

Thats my point if you so support homosexuality because it is prevalent is lions

Then why not support polygamy ? this is hypocrisy at its best

Gosh Gypsy you really do your homework on homosexuals dont you :p care to give him a link to this well documented finding?

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There are homosexual lions. It's been well documented.

i'm sure there is some lion out there who's afraid to come out of the closet. I'm starting to wonder if this is becoming homoliving.com there is only so much gay topics i can read in one day.

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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Why everyone wants to discuss abt HOMOS now a dayz ? :(

Perhaps you should read some other threads, everything you've just brought up has been discussed several times.