expatriates barred from morning treatment

QL by that time?

another 50 yrs for oil based economy...

...then it will be the end of oil & GAS as fuel...

A better solution is to do what Dubai did and charge a fee to use the busy roads, so that the poor expats are forced to use back roads and take longer journeys, freeing up the road for people with more money.

surprise comes as a surprise!

Maybe they might want to ban foreigners driving on the roads in peak hour and causing congestion. Same basic argument, its just that one is much harder to wnforce than the other.

and I also hope that they will ban foreigners and expatriates working there in the mornings so it can be a only nationals facility during the mornings. That would then be indeed a sight to watch of the locals taking care of themselves at the hospitals

did I miss anything about private clinics?

patients do not tend to know if their cases are to be considered emergencies or not.

i hope they will first assess the people coming in if their chief complaint is considered an emergency,

if not, refer them to a later time but the 8pm time is just too much.

Fubar, the clinic I go to is private too. but There are no set times. Locals and expats alike go there. It's actually quite pleasant...the only "farmyard" ambiance is sometimes created by some of the staff...continuously chattering...but they, nothing is perfect, right? ;)

I have no idea how it works either here or in Kuwait Nonmerci.

I make an appointment and go to the doctor in a private clinic at a set time, I can't tolerate the farmyard atmosphere that surrounds anything that involves lining up and being served "in turn" when you put expats and nationals together in a waiting room in this country.

so they dont like seeing a brownie patient (expat) along while they're OK with same brownie Doctor/nurse....LOL

Funny!!!

Fubar, i have never been to a government clinic. So, why do they have different buttons for Qataris and non Qataris? What actually happens differently?

Are the Qataris immediately beamed up for treatment? ;)

Actually Zombie, the staff will also be segregated too:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/kuwait-start-medical-care-segregation-on-june-1-501976.html

"Last month, it was reported that staff also will be segregated according to their nationality, with Kuwaitis working in the morning and expat doctors in the afternoon."

oh wait I forgot, you're Flor, you like Arguing the Obvious (:

what's the problem? Go to other clinics! So MAYBE, when they see that the other clinics becomes crowded, they will have a second thought!

Or if they see that it implementable, then continue with it.

BTW, it's in Kuwait, you are in Qatar, wait 'til same issue crops up in Qatar and make your moves!

NM: and as a non-Qatari resident of this beautiful country, you are only allowed treatment at certain govt clinics. With a ticket number that reads (Non-Qatari patent)

Flor:

They are not barred but they are limited!

Sul/NM: Yup, it's true, ticket vending machines in all Qatari govt hospitals have tow buttons.

One says (If you are Qatari press here)

The other button says (non-Qataris press here)

Seen it myself

check again! It's procedural. They just change the timings of consultation!

MN, read my comment again, they are NOT barred for treatment!

Ah yes, I thought there had been something like that .

Thanks guys.

it is the 2nd one, different PHC for expats and local citizens.

NM ...I think Qataris and none Qataris have different gates at one hospital here as i heard

Wasn't there a clinic here in Qatar who had different times for Qataris and expats? Or was it a clinic that only treated Qataris? I remember there being a thread about it some time ago...not 100% sure though...:/

Thanks Suli:

HGL: senseless decisions just like the mods decision to lock Suli’s “Ask and Analysis thread”. Without valid reasons (-:

irony is that most of the doctors and the nurses who work in the hospitals are expatriates. I guess they all should report for work only in the afternoon as they are not supposed to be there in the mornings !

It is wrong and so in all probability it wouldn't get implemented.

MN --- Like for your last comment.

Flor: since when Medcare is a “freedom”

Last time I checked it was a “Basic human necessity”!

in your country to be copied by them. Their country, their rule.

brit ,,, "depleted oil supplies should not be an issue"

Should not does not mean that it will not

The point is

Any country should put some weights over their people shoulders, it is all about oil now, so if it ends what to do next!!!

No oil ,,,, No money to pay for the expats ,,, No people to think of other solutions !!!

If Kuwait has all that money and all those resources Brit, you wonder why they haven't noticed the obvious solution:

Build enough medical facilities to ensure that everyone can have access to doctors in the morning and evening.

The problem seems to be that there is massive overcrowding at the clinics, so to address this they are just banning ex-pats, to cover up that no one has been planning and investing in adequate infrastructure to meet the needs of a growing population.

And is it all that different from here, where there are HMC clinics that have banned ALL expats ALL the time?

Like Qatar, Kuwait has vast investments and a means of generating sustainable revenue for many many years to come..

So, depleted oil supplies should not be an issue.

it just remain a threat. These people will never change about their "arrogance" as you said. Reality is reality. We all have to live with it. If you don't like it, take the other option! Maybe, maybe, they will earn their lesson. The question is, are you ready to move out? I did!

No matter how you try to dress this up, it is blatant racism. Shocking!

Has anyone noticed how much time gulf arabs spend at doctors surgeries or in the hospitals? The slightest thing and off to the doctor...

Let their oil deplete one day and we will see how long can they afford to remain arrogant and racist..

It would be great if all the expats packed up and left.. Sadly, this will not happen and Kuwaitis will carry on being racists and arrogant..

I think Kuwait should get rid of all expats and do all the jobs themselves. Problem solved.

I love this..

The answer is simple. Give all expats Kuwaiti citizenship ..

In other racist news from Kuwait:

KUWAIT: A parliamentary bloc consisting of eight MPs yesterday called on the government to scrap all subsidies on services and commodities and make expatriates pay full prices in a move that could increase electricity bills to around KD 100 per month.

That's an increase of about 1270 QAR per month for expats.

Nice.

Wonder what the Allies who liberated Kuwait think of all this :O)

Expats in Kuwait are already banned from visiting the traffic department in the morning.

This is called a 'trial' but it will spread across all parts of the public sector I think.

Let's just say, wait until it happens in our home country. Then we can all comprehend.

Not necessarily Flor. If there's something wrong with my son I take him directly to a pediatric clinic. If there's something wrong with my pregnancy I go directly to a OB/GYN. I don't waste time going to an emergency room.

it's a bad precedent.

what comes next? expatriates cannot eat in the restaurant if the locals are not done yet... oh my....

The arrogance of some ppl r just far beyond my imagination.

Guys, let us wait until Qatar implements the same rule here (which will eventually happen in the near future), then we can debate over this issue.

One interpretation (music to many dreadful ears) : Their country their rule; leave if you don’t like :)

Other interpretation : Ideally, it should have been like this :-

Mornings : Local patients attended by Local doctors/nurse (but do they have ‘em?)

Evenings : Expats patients attended by expat doctors/nurse

Until they have local doctors/nurses, it’s nothing but hypocrisy!

Vaccines are not emergany cases.

Having to wait a long time for a let’s say (Eye-heart specialist),

Because he/she is a busy fellow, and comes to the hospital on alternate days , which means longer waiting lists, is really not a dignified way to treat human beings..

another one :

Kuwait has deported

hundreds of expats

for traffi c off ences

in the past month, a report

said yesterday, drawing

condemnation from a human

rights group.

The Al Anbaa newspaper

cited a senior interior ministry

offi cial as saying that as many

as 1,258 foreigners have been

deported for traffi c violations

since a crackdown began

about a month ago.

Foreign residents caught

driving without a licence,

using their cars to carry

paying passengers, jumping

a red light for a second

time, or breaking the speed

limit by more than 40km

per hour can be deported

without a court order.

(Copied from PDF copy of today Gulf Times. Couldn't find link in online paper)

is this qatar living or kuwait living..thank god the rule is not implemented in qatar..so stay happy and peacefully..even if it was done in qatar, i will immediately leave qatar and go back to india...khallas

good morning to all

to clinics, you go dirctly to the hospital. So clinics are for non-emergency cases.

I think that has a good reason, 2.6mil vs 1.2mil

Flor: allow me to rephrase your statement.

No one was barred from treatment only the timing was limited:

Now what does limiting expats to evening schedule only means?

1- Over-crowded departments.

2- Less number of doctors (some doctors work alternate days and with the new ban in effect would result in longer waiting lists)

3- Vaccines for kids like sis Fatimah said which if given during evening time are very luckily to cause trouble to both the child and his parents.

‘n the list just goes on.

I think if anyone of us put him/herself in that position when you have a sick wife/son/daughter and you can't let them in to get the treatment just becasue you are not a citizen,,,, what the hell would you do!!??

I have lived in Kuwait for one year or so and it didn't take me much time to realise they didn't have common sense..

NATIONWIDE?

My mistake.. Yes it appears as of now the ban will be in effect only in certain parts of Kuwait. However that still dosen't make the situation ok given the large number of expats stationed in those areas. It still is a very very racist law!

The issue is what constitutes an emergency case? Many people don't know that their situation is an emergency until they get to the doctor!

but you have to objectively see it in their perspective also. No one is BARRED from getting treatment, only the timings was changed.

Flor: this isn’t just one (particular hospital/ outpatient clinic)

This is a nationwide ban on all expats visiting any of the govt hospitals during daytime.

Glad that you are not the Minister of Health in Qatar :)

Flor: (The new system will be applied at the clinics at Jahra hospital for six months on a “trial basis before its application at other (government) hospitals”).

partiercular center in Doha closes on Sunday, that's discrimination?

flor1212: doesn’t make it any less racist/ridiculous

This is so outrageous and unreasonable. What if an expat is about to die before 8PM?

nationwide?

it will only be applied in ONE area for six month and I think it will not cover emergency cases.

Ridiculous.

This is a nation wide ban preventing expats from getting medical treatment in the morning hours. Even if the case be non emergency so to speak, a person still should have the option to consult a doctor when convenient for them. Things like vaccinations for infants and dental appointments, for example, may not be emergencies but are inconvenient when carried out in the evening or nights cos kids may then experience pain and fever throughout the night and not get any sleep, thereby causing hardship.

can do the work.

Kuwait is in my opinion the most racist place in the GCC and this move does not surprise me.

Maybe India should retailate and say Kuwaitis in India can only visit their hospitals between 3.04 am and 3.09am on alternate Tuesdays.

FathimaH: Thank you for your sensible comment.

Very well said.

flor1212 : All Kuwaiti govt hospitals time schedule is

From 7:30Am till 8:30 pm

But because of the discriminating system, a non-kuwati resident is not allowed treatment during daytime.

It is not fair if i was in an emergency situation in the morning or i can't go to the hospital in morning time due to my working hours.

If Kuwait couldn't handle thit, they don't have to bring any other expats there, or to build more hospitals -they have money-.

Putting people into grades make me feel sick,,,,

Even in ordinary cases, if you are to visit your doctor, you will have to check his schedule. If the clinic time will start at 6 pm, then you can only come at 6. When you say anytime, it may be an emergency and I agree, emergency can not wait.

Anyone, expat or local, should have the right and ability to seek treatment at any time of the day! That a nation would apply such a law in today's day and age is sickening and stinks of the discrimination experienced by those in jahiliyah (time of ignorance)I hope and pray the rule is abolished faster than it was applied given the bad publicity it is already receiving.

Well if they don't like it they can leave, well as long as they are not sick and cannot travel.

as long as they don't apply that to emergency cases, fine.

Removed or not re removed, can’t be bothered. (-:

Flor: an outpatient clinic is: a health care facility that is primarily devoted to the care of outpatients.

It’s not just emergency cases.

emergency cases, I don't find anything wrong with it. It's just procedural. It's just like moving the "opening hour" for expatriates.