what many of you failed to mention is that Lebanon was actually occupied by france up until the late 40s and many schools used to teach french as a second language (and in some missionaries even as a first) maybe that's why many do speak french. Nowadays the shift in the younger generation is more toward english but surely this doesnt mean by any chance they want to be french or english!
one thing though, in light of all political and economical problems that we've been facing for so long, YES some lebanese look for a better chance in other countries especially europe and the states and truly admire the advanced way of life there.. this by no means an action to trade our identity rather than try to elevate our lifestyle, and for that YES we are guilty!
---speaking french coz it wa scolonized by French and 2nd language is french. most of the school curriculum is feench not english, though they're fluent in english, too
--- changing a lot on their bodies esp. women co zthey have nothing to do, they;re just spending money, just enjoying life...coz in every family, 1 or 2 are working outside the cuntry
--- smart, and know how to fight for thier right!
--- they dont accept lower position, and they know how to make money
i am not saying lebanese should go o hell..if you followed the discussion thru- i sad yes all people saying "lebanese should die " should go to hell.. i agreed with what nadineana said...twas but a simple question gone wayward...mis understood,misinterpretations and all...there is not much fuzz bout this at all.
looooool !!! that is the funniest comment I have ever heard... Egyptians defeated Israel!!! Do you mean the pharoahs...
They defeated the whole egyptian army in 3 days (above 10,00 soldier), forced the government a decade later to sign peace treaty and now they are the offcial media representative for the Israeli Government.
I appreciate if you don't fantasize and try to accept your country reality and work hard to change it if you can.
Shankie30 why are you so afraid of your Lebanese boss?! Hmmmm
Don't need to say anything about Lebanese pride and what Lebanese spirit and nationalism stand for. the mere subject in question that we are discussing is a stand alone proof of the greatness of this country and its people's pride in their country and their achievements.
its obvious there are some major haters chiming in on this topic, like mr. teepatter...dunno what happened to you, or who abused you but i feel very badly for you that you're so bitter....In anycase, there are good ppl and bad ppl everywhere.....all in all, i'd say i pretty much like everyone, except those that suggest all lebanese 'should die'-well in response to that, i say go to hell!
I'm a Lebanese guy living in Qatar, and before that in Dubai, and believe me every Lebanese I met is Proud of being Lebanese..... So the answer for you're question is NO Lebanese are not dying..... and Lebanon will live for the end of the world..... and there will be no country Lebanese Free,...... we are already spread around the world, and where ever you go, no matter which country, you'll meet a Lebanese there.
Don't know about Lebanese but for sure some others are dying to be a Qatari. Is it a coincidence or not, i don't know yet but whenever i'm checking the profiles i notice non-Qataries mentioning their nationalty as QATARI. Why do they need to, it doesn't make any sense to me.
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All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Yestrday I was at qatar airways head office,,, when a european national came in and started with english... his attendent were a lebanese, while she noticed that european faces dificulty in speaking english,she started conversation with him in french.... Most of the labenese speak good frech infact. whichs a plus point for them.
again don't worry-that was my only point of view, you love lebanese guys- while i don't give a rat's ass bout em'. i am just asking questions, am innocent. so educate meh.
these innocent questions have a devil inside , they are meant to insult one race ,
come on guys , go to latin america and see the succes of lebanese who migrated there
the difference of lebanese with other arabs they assimilate with other cultures easily and get integerated very well
i have met a lebanese family who took assylum in India during the internal problems, you will never identify them as arabs , they speak hindi and punjabi so well , i was ashamed
so praise them for mixing and adapting freely to other cultures
I like lebanese and thier culture and life style except those pointed shoes, they are scary , lol ....
tis' easy to distinguish them lebanese from others...first americans etc. don't wear deadly pointed shoes, don't sport greasy asphalted hair, except maybe way back in the 60's as sported by james dean. and they are more professional to asians and other races being a lot more around the world dealing and understanding other people's cultures and way of life-rather than racism- but don't worry ann, they like filipinas a lot more than filipinos...
honestly, i have a lot of lebanese colleagues. being an asian, i will initially find it difficult to distinguish if they r lebanese or french or american or english because of their physical attributes but once they speak english (the common language) then will be able to figure out...the 'arabic' accent is still there!
i have no comment. lebanese must be having their own reasons for doing so...what matters is we respect each other as human beings!
People change their culture because, their culture will be having some good in it, some diciplines of life are there in it, Some restrictions in it... and so on.
Its easy to adapt bad things than a good one.
People like freedom to do anything! And when they understand all about it, it will be very late......
Love your culture, make a history for your country and people
""That's why sometimes it's difficult for them to talk technical details as they may've taught we're "pulling them down" when we really were assisting them of explanations of certain situations. "
My dear friend, dont u think you should improve on your spelling before you help anybody...write ur name properly first.
U know what i think, this is a stupid subject brough up by a stupid person.I dont think threads like this should be allowed..
Let me start a nice thread about a few nationalities i dont really appreciate..how nice would that be??
It's just that some of them (I hope not plenty of them) would possibly don't want to be "looked down" even if they really can't do it professionally. That's why sometimes it's difficult for us to talk technical details to them as they may've taught we're "pulling them down" when we really were assisting them of explanations of certain situations.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
I have around 100 phillipinos working for me and I will open the subject for them tommorow to see what their ideas are on this subject.Maybe a few of them will give me the opportunity to fire them for being racists and I hope to god ur one of them teeboy or whatever ur name is.
could anybody tell me what the catch is to this question??? all i can think of is that the person posting this question has been dumped by a lebanese.
No we are not dying to be french or English or anything else as a matter of fact....and please please do not compare us to Indians or swahilis or anybody else.We are a people who like to be open to everyone and we do like to have fun and spend our money on stupid and fancy things, we like to have plastic surgery because the possibility or improving ones self is there so we will take it which doesn't mean that we are trying to be somebody we're not and until we beg anybody for their money, i think noone has the right to even question why we do what we do.Yes we travel all over the world for opportunities. There are around 4 million lebanese in lebanon and 16 Million outside lebanon.
All the mojor night clubs, restaurants and events are run by lebanese and 90% of people who attend are lebanese so please crucify us for being outgoing and funloving.
One more thing, if you hate or are jealous of lebanese people that much, please stay out of our way and i would advise you not to mention this subject in a lebanese persons face because you will not like the outcome.
Lebanese people are dying to be any nationality and have any other passport than a Lebanese passport because they cant get visas easily to travel. So they are dying to be French, American, Australian, Brazilian, British, Canadian etc or any other nationality with a passport that enables them to travel freely!
Lebanese people are proud to be Lebanese. It's a great culture, with wonderful people. As in many other countries there are always some that give the rest a bad name!
Go to Lebanon and see for yourself what an amazing country it is, see how hospitable and great the Lebanese people are and then maybe you will be dying to be Lebanese!!!
Every country in the world has had 'lodgers' from time to time. If the Lebanese are wannabe French who are we to comment, if they want to be seen as European so be it.
Not one nation in the world is free of influence from another country or culture; it's under the umbrella of history.
Proud to be Lebanese and proud about my education and culture.
Lebanese historically tend to migrate. Mainly due to economic or political reasons. Besides ambition and looking for better opportunities.
France is not the destination to die for. Although almost every person in the world is dying to visit France. Personally I did not like it and did not like the French people in general.
For your info. Most of the Lebanese migrants are mainly in Latin America.
It really frustrates me when I read stereotyping comments, the likes of "get over yourselves Lebanese". This will eventually lead to a racist low standard debate, just like the thread creator wanted it to be in the first place, despite all the positive, open, absorbing replies of my fellow Lebanese.
Lebs i've come across all wannabe french, they just won't admit it - Fair enough its a second or third language but when with arabs or english they speak french its a bit strange. They disassociate themslves from middle east and attach themselvs to europe. They may have some european influence there but come on, ur not in europe, get over it!
Also, in my experience lebanese like to talk about their country and don't ask too many questions about where ur from - Fair enough i'm from uk, most people know whats going on there but my wife is from slovakia and when we first arrived in middle east and befriend some lebanese, not one question about her country/upbringing. Just chat about 'u know u can ski and sunbathe on beach in the same day in lebabnon?' Whopeee do, medal anyone?
I actually like the country, think the food is great but theres nothing more off-putting than someone who talks about themselves or their country all the time - get over yourselves lebanese!
Man..when did i change my mind ? Lol...I still say that there is a big room for development..but atlease I've seen someone diff. Well..thats good news :-)
Ok Zayd, i just based my comment on one incident in our office before, an Indian colleague ask two of our Lebanese office mates and they got mad so bad,and I even put "some" as my subject..I don't think that is generalizing is it?
On a clearer analysis...why does Spike wanna make a lebanese angry on the first place. Coz he might have been a victim of racism from them already.
Ease it out guys...statement like....WE rank better, WE do it great..are all bull effin sh!t. Visit NYC for once to see tolerance at play in every street.
tell you what pryda...if you ever visit lebanon let me know and i'll make sure you meet some of the people i'm talking about...its silly to state that an entire race is uneducated and void of all love maturity and respect...i mean, you can't really believe that can you? you've been unlucky...and if i'm ever given a chance, i'd love to change your mind :)
spike, you said "now i know why..." which means that you thought so before and pryda's comment just clarified it for you. you're entitled to your beliefs, don't think for a second that i have any objection with that. its just that you had sort of struck me as a more tolerant person. you judged us, now i judge you...but i won't generalize my thought onto your people.
Sure..why not ? Love and respect in a bar..i always do it. Was with 3 of my girls and the way u guys try to socialize...its poor man. I just feel sorry. Maturity is absolutely Zero. Education....needless to talk abt that...coz that would have given the other 3 traits. Another substantiation..lol !
spike! i'm really amazed by your educated comment! maybe i need to get 3 or 4 additional degrees to get to understand your point (if it exists!)
on the other hand, you could easily challenge Lebanese to other nations based on education and general knowledge and i assure you we'll rank high! ;)
..sure Lebanese got some problems with their sense of belonging and can differ with their views of the future but we surely aint an uneducated nation!!
it seems you need to hang around with more Lebanese ppl before you throwing such bold statement!
I was at some sky view bar in Qatar during a business trip...and i dont REALLY agree they are the nicest people in the ME, as Love and Respect are the first symbol of maturity and education.
The French are way far friendlier...so i guess its good that the Lebs wanna be frankies.
well pryda you might be hanging out with the wrong crowd then...there are intelligent and well educated lebanese people out there and their numbers are actually pretty high...we have a good education system and excellent universities thankfully which graduate some high calibre people.
I do appreciate that most of the Lebanese Guys I see around dress very elegant and style them up well. But when I ask about there educational qualifications...it is VERY low than the average. Are they making it up ? I think its time for them to spend there money on education rather than shiny blazers and wet gels.
Hindi hai HUM, is our national language but English widely spoken and used every where along with each state have their own regional language.
Hi FS: you take the thread from Leb to Ind....brought all brits to prove their points. anyways good to know that brits were staying in bungalows and not in apartments, after staying in GCC, we all will stay in 'Villas' now.
Aye Aye.. There are lot of westeners like me who want to be Lebanese.. but will never wear those pointy shoes and greasy hair style's or speak French.. Love the women though and the food..yummy
We are very influenced by French culture... yet very Mediterranian in our mood.. very Arabs in roots... very modern in life style... very ambitious by heritage..
which make us very different, sometimes very criticized, some other times very liked...
But in no means we are dying to be French or any wannabe...
We are who we are.. which is by itself very justified if you take a look at our history and our nation's evolution.
not only hard work Zhyiellha ..otherwise every hard working labourer would be successful? You need a bit of bullshiting to get to the top. A good leader is always the one that can convince not necessary deliver what he says.
I'm fine thank you :) How are you and the family doing?!
hmmm makes me english eh.. now i've begun to integrate a few hindi words.. am i Indian? or not yet :D
Catsniper: its true, Bonjour has become a more common practice than Marhaba and Merci in place of Shoukran.. but then we tend to say Sorry and excuse me; we tend to say Kefek/kefak instead of comment cava and how are you.. so you will know a true lebanese when he or she walks up to you and says:
Hi, Kefak/Kefek? Ca va?! (3 languages into one sentence)
Pinoys are not that different, our culture now is the product of Spanish, American, and Filipino culture...Combined and mutated into a more complicated form..
It’s totally up to them what they want to be like, but yes I have seen most of them prefer ‘Bonjour’ than greetings in English / Arabic. Am I right QL leb folks?
Moving on is simple; it's what you leave behind that makes it so difficult .
Are we dying to be french? NO! do the majority speak french? YES. Are we considered a Francophone country? YES.
We were definitely influenced by the french when they occupied Lebanon, but that only enhanced our culture, it did not change it or make us wannabes.
We have been occupied by many different civilizations, and we have learned alot from each and integrated certain things into our society and system, but we have not become wanna bes to any.
Now english is becoming as integrated into our Lebanese society whether in education or otherwise as much as french.
I am Lebanese.. I dont even know how to speak French.. but I am very fluent in English.. so what does that make me?
FS..good point.. But the fact is that British Raj in India has left a long lasting legacy in India of Today. The British established democracy for Indians (even you might not agree on that) also by abolishing of the Mughal Monarchy. So even if you don't want to be British, the influence of 200 years of British rule in India is too much to be ingnored.
We Brits are also influenced by India, and as a proof I can verify that Curry has become the unofficial National Dish of the UK...lol
That’s because we don’t speak a common language like your country... we have so many states speaking different languages...so its better to have one common language as our official Language...its not because English a great Language...lol
We got freedom from British in 1947...we can speak good English... we don’t act like a Brit...we are not wannabe British...lol So that makes no sense whatsoever..
Well, as we all know that LEBANESE have a Blonde look ,very pretty & handsome ppl & they do lead a very stylish life too. That's why they try their level best to be known as French,American etc
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Moreover, they did seek independence from FRENCH in 1943 adn they withdrew their forces in 1946 from lebanon. That's why they are so much influenced by them & try to learn French Language & their lifestyle too. I think they do have have french as their 2nd official language after arabic.[I'm not sure]
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baldrick's comment fit your info, kelly.nice and thanks.
Here are the main destinations of Lebanese immigrants between 1991 and 2000:
USA: 43.441%
Canada: 36.823%
Australia: 12.984%
Europe(France, UK & Germany): 44.799%
Full report on the following link:
http://www.information-international.com/pdf/emigration_report_english-1.pdf
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LONG LIVE FRANCE!! and lebanon!
^ thanks nadinenana :)
for the answer, check your inbox!
for clarifying it!!!!!!!!! **high 5, my fellow lebanese!! speaking of which, why aren't u in lebanon right now VOTING?
all samesame...lol
what many of you failed to mention is that Lebanon was actually occupied by france up until the late 40s and many schools used to teach french as a second language (and in some missionaries even as a first) maybe that's why many do speak french. Nowadays the shift in the younger generation is more toward english but surely this doesnt mean by any chance they want to be french or english!
one thing though, in light of all political and economical problems that we've been facing for so long, YES some lebanese look for a better chance in other countries especially europe and the states and truly admire the advanced way of life there.. this by no means an action to trade our identity rather than try to elevate our lifestyle, and for that YES we are guilty!
---speaking french coz it wa scolonized by French and 2nd language is french. most of the school curriculum is feench not english, though they're fluent in english, too
--- changing a lot on their bodies esp. women co zthey have nothing to do, they;re just spending money, just enjoying life...coz in every family, 1 or 2 are working outside the cuntry
--- smart, and know how to fight for thier right!
--- they dont accept lower position, and they know how to make money
--- travellers... and know how to enjoy life!
--- lebanese food is superb! soooooooooo amazing!
like what? like...How could lebanese be so dying to be french? he he..just kidding..
now can we move on to another subject?? hehee...
i am not saying lebanese should go o hell..if you followed the discussion thru- i sad yes all people saying "lebanese should die " should go to hell.. i agreed with what nadineana said...twas but a simple question gone wayward...mis understood,misinterpretations and all...there is not much fuzz bout this at all.
Who said that tunisians would like to be called or considerd to be french.
Why did you miss out Algerians ?
looooool !!! that is the funniest comment I have ever heard... Egyptians defeated Israel!!! Do you mean the pharoahs...
They defeated the whole egyptian army in 3 days (above 10,00 soldier), forced the government a decade later to sign peace treaty and now they are the offcial media representative for the Israeli Government.
I appreciate if you don't fantasize and try to accept your country reality and work hard to change it if you can.
Lebanon seems to be to the Middle East what Argentina is to South America
Simple very simple all Lebanese are dying to be something else then Lebanese.
.It's just that QL is not part of my daily work here......they are very nice colleague and so much approachable.
Shankie30 why are you so afraid of your Lebanese boss?! Hmmmm
Don't need to say anything about Lebanese pride and what Lebanese spirit and nationalism stand for. the mere subject in question that we are discussing is a stand alone proof of the greatness of this country and its people's pride in their country and their achievements.
Moving on to the next country or nationality?
anyone interested in teaching french lang.... i am interested... keen to learn the french... is there anyone... pls PM me.../
People who was born and raised in lebanon are dying to be french,because...wait my lebanese boss is here... to be continued..sorry
Us going to hell is not your call... gladly...
please feel free to keep wishing it for the rest of your life...
being Lebanese will not make you go to hell, hatred will.
maybe you should think twice about it.
Peace!
was just asking.
who' suggesting they should die??? ya rite! they should go to hell.
its obvious there are some major haters chiming in on this topic, like mr. teepatter...dunno what happened to you, or who abused you but i feel very badly for you that you're so bitter....In anycase, there are good ppl and bad ppl everywhere.....all in all, i'd say i pretty much like everyone, except those that suggest all lebanese 'should die'-well in response to that, i say go to hell!
like an airborne flu...or scent.
Hi there,
I'm a Lebanese guy living in Qatar, and before that in Dubai, and believe me every Lebanese I met is Proud of being Lebanese..... So the answer for you're question is NO Lebanese are not dying..... and Lebanon will live for the end of the world..... and there will be no country Lebanese Free,...... we are already spread around the world, and where ever you go, no matter which country, you'll meet a Lebanese there.
why do you suggest so?
Don't know about Lebanese but for sure some others are dying to be a Qatari. Is it a coincidence or not, i don't know yet but whenever i'm checking the profiles i notice non-Qataries mentioning their nationalty as QATARI. Why do they need to, it doesn't make any sense to me.
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All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
I read your subject saying
" Are Lebanese dying" and i said they should,loool
I call Lebanon the land of unique contrasts. It’s a blend of the East and West braided, diverse and deep.
bibo and Kelly...very well said.
Enjoy life..
Salam
Yestrday I was at qatar airways head office,,, when a european national came in and started with english... his attendent were a lebanese, while she noticed that european faces dificulty in speaking english,she started conversation with him in french.... Most of the labenese speak good frech infact. whichs a plus point for them.
i just said i "see" i didn't say i agree.
again don't worry-that was my only point of view, you love lebanese guys- while i don't give a rat's ass bout em'. i am just asking questions, am innocent. so educate meh.
that's good to know teepatter!
i see..ok.thankyou.
these innocent questions have a devil inside , they are meant to insult one race ,
come on guys , go to latin america and see the succes of lebanese who migrated there
the difference of lebanese with other arabs they assimilate with other cultures easily and get integerated very well
i have met a lebanese family who took assylum in India during the internal problems, you will never identify them as arabs , they speak hindi and punjabi so well , i was ashamed
so praise them for mixing and adapting freely to other cultures
I like lebanese and thier culture and life style except those pointed shoes, they are scary , lol ....
tis' easy to distinguish them lebanese from others...first americans etc. don't wear deadly pointed shoes, don't sport greasy asphalted hair, except maybe way back in the 60's as sported by james dean. and they are more professional to asians and other races being a lot more around the world dealing and understanding other people's cultures and way of life-rather than racism- but don't worry ann, they like filipinas a lot more than filipinos...
i met some Lebanese in my work field before, very stylist,.. look like so clever... they wanted to shoot the moon, and put out the sun...
'kinnada! they look down at us!
honestly, i have a lot of lebanese colleagues. being an asian, i will initially find it difficult to distinguish if they r lebanese or french or american or english because of their physical attributes but once they speak english (the common language) then will be able to figure out...the 'arabic' accent is still there!
i have no comment. lebanese must be having their own reasons for doing so...what matters is we respect each other as human beings!
Loosing their Identity.
Baldrick, thanks for incl Aust....
"They also want to be American, Canadian, Australian, etc, etc, etc,"
Good to see us aussies not being labelled as 'other' :)
smile lots laugh more
i stand corrected...anyways forgive me for my ignorance.
"Lebabese" is not a language. They speak Arabic, too; the dialect is just a little different from the Gulf...
(Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug...)
would you answer that in french?or lebanese?
simple answer: NO!
People change their culture because, their culture will be having some good in it, some diciplines of life are there in it, Some restrictions in it... and so on.
Its easy to adapt bad things than a good one.
People like freedom to do anything! And when they understand all about it, it will be very late......
Love your culture, make a history for your country and people
Come on................Some speak French, most speak Arabic, a LOT speak English. None of that makes them dying to be French.
They are a multi cultural race.
Perhaps he's just asking why Lebanese tend to speak French...
Nothing offensive in that..
Sorry but the Lebanese are the only country that defeated Isreal?!!!! When ? What about Egypt ?
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good night heero!
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"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
hmmm.... grow up dracula and get urself a new pair of teeth.
""That's why sometimes it's difficult for them to talk technical details as they may've taught we're "pulling them down" when we really were assisting them of explanations of certain situations. "
My dear friend, dont u think you should improve on your spelling before you help anybody...write ur name properly first.
U know what i think, this is a stupid subject brough up by a stupid person.I dont think threads like this should be allowed..
Let me start a nice thread about a few nationalities i dont really appreciate..how nice would that be??
I'm not sure they're dying to be French.
It's just that some of them (I hope not plenty of them) would possibly don't want to be "looked down" even if they really can't do it professionally. That's why sometimes it's difficult for us to talk technical details to them as they may've taught we're "pulling them down" when we really were assisting them of explanations of certain situations.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
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-hmmm...like a donkey?
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You can't have a light without a dark to stick it in!
Why are threads like this allowed? They incite racist comments.
I just want to have fun not argue who is best or who wants to be who.
Enough already, we are all different.......................so be it.
"All the mojor night clubs, restaurants and events are run by lebanese and 90% of people who attend are lebanese "
Where ????
Who the hell would want to be French?
Uhh, French Canadians, Gypsy?
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
if u can do it, i can too.
Honestly, this isnt the first time I hear things like this and I don't like it so excuse me for my bad temper guys.
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You can't have a light without a dark to stick it in!
but be sure ur looking in the mirror
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"I have around 100 phillipinos working for me"
....You want me to puke now or later?
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You can't have a light without a dark to stick it in!
I have around 100 phillipinos working for me and I will open the subject for them tommorow to see what their ideas are on this subject.Maybe a few of them will give me the opportunity to fire them for being racists and I hope to god ur one of them teeboy or whatever ur name is.
could anybody tell me what the catch is to this question??? all i can think of is that the person posting this question has been dumped by a lebanese.
No we are not dying to be french or English or anything else as a matter of fact....and please please do not compare us to Indians or swahilis or anybody else.We are a people who like to be open to everyone and we do like to have fun and spend our money on stupid and fancy things, we like to have plastic surgery because the possibility or improving ones self is there so we will take it which doesn't mean that we are trying to be somebody we're not and until we beg anybody for their money, i think noone has the right to even question why we do what we do.Yes we travel all over the world for opportunities. There are around 4 million lebanese in lebanon and 16 Million outside lebanon.
All the mojor night clubs, restaurants and events are run by lebanese and 90% of people who attend are lebanese so please crucify us for being outgoing and funloving.
One more thing, if you hate or are jealous of lebanese people that much, please stay out of our way and i would advise you not to mention this subject in a lebanese persons face because you will not like the outcome.
Lebanese people are dying to be any nationality and have any other passport than a Lebanese passport because they cant get visas easily to travel. So they are dying to be French, American, Australian, Brazilian, British, Canadian etc or any other nationality with a passport that enables them to travel freely!
Lebanese people are proud to be Lebanese. It's a great culture, with wonderful people. As in many other countries there are always some that give the rest a bad name!
Go to Lebanon and see for yourself what an amazing country it is, see how hospitable and great the Lebanese people are and then maybe you will be dying to be Lebanese!!!
Every country in the world has had 'lodgers' from time to time. If the Lebanese are wannabe French who are we to comment, if they want to be seen as European so be it.
Not one nation in the world is free of influence from another country or culture; it's under the umbrella of history.
I would say a fair few of them are in Australia, specifically sydney - To be fair they ain't got the best reputation there!
Proud to be Lebanese and proud about my education and culture.
Lebanese historically tend to migrate. Mainly due to economic or political reasons. Besides ambition and looking for better opportunities.
France is not the destination to die for. Although almost every person in the world is dying to visit France. Personally I did not like it and did not like the French people in general.
For your info. Most of the Lebanese migrants are mainly in Latin America.
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Who the hell would want to be French?
yeah but u do love urselves admit it!
It really frustrates me when I read stereotyping comments, the likes of "get over yourselves Lebanese". This will eventually lead to a racist low standard debate, just like the thread creator wanted it to be in the first place, despite all the positive, open, absorbing replies of my fellow Lebanese.
Qudos to Samer, Loulsy and to Zayd...
Lebs i've come across all wannabe french, they just won't admit it - Fair enough its a second or third language but when with arabs or english they speak french its a bit strange. They disassociate themslves from middle east and attach themselvs to europe. They may have some european influence there but come on, ur not in europe, get over it!
Also, in my experience lebanese like to talk about their country and don't ask too many questions about where ur from - Fair enough i'm from uk, most people know whats going on there but my wife is from slovakia and when we first arrived in middle east and befriend some lebanese, not one question about her country/upbringing. Just chat about 'u know u can ski and sunbathe on beach in the same day in lebabnon?' Whopeee do, medal anyone?
I actually like the country, think the food is great but theres nothing more off-putting than someone who talks about themselves or their country all the time - get over yourselves lebanese!
well pryda, the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step, so its still good news :)
spike...you seen this happen to one person...putting anything other than "once" is generalizing...no harm done though, just keep an open mind :)
Man..when did i change my mind ? Lol...I still say that there is a big room for development..but atlease I've seen someone diff. Well..thats good news :-)
Ok Zayd, i just based my comment on one incident in our office before, an Indian colleague ask two of our Lebanese office mates and they got mad so bad,and I even put "some" as my subject..I don't think that is generalizing is it?
"clarifications can go a long way"
thanks for the compliment, but if more people were open to changing their minds like you then people like me wouldn't have a hard time :)
pryda, so what if spike has been a victim of racism (and i'm hoping that he hasn't)...is spreading racism around the solution?
and i'm against anyone saying they are better...but i'm also against someone going around saying "THEY are worse"
If only all the guys were like you. Thanks buds...hope u lead a chain to make ur fellowmen open up there minds the way u did.
On a clearer analysis...why does Spike wanna make a lebanese angry on the first place. Coz he might have been a victim of racism from them already.
Ease it out guys...statement like....WE rank better, WE do it great..are all bull effin sh!t. Visit NYC for once to see tolerance at play in every street.
tell you what pryda...if you ever visit lebanon let me know and i'll make sure you meet some of the people i'm talking about...its silly to state that an entire race is uneducated and void of all love maturity and respect...i mean, you can't really believe that can you? you've been unlucky...and if i'm ever given a chance, i'd love to change your mind :)
spike, you said "now i know why..." which means that you thought so before and pryda's comment just clarified it for you. you're entitled to your beliefs, don't think for a second that i have any objection with that. its just that you had sort of struck me as a more tolerant person. you judged us, now i judge you...but i won't generalize my thought onto your people.
Sure..why not ? Love and respect in a bar..i always do it. Was with 3 of my girls and the way u guys try to socialize...its poor man. I just feel sorry. Maturity is absolutely Zero. Education....needless to talk abt that...coz that would have given the other 3 traits. Another substantiation..lol !
Maybe i saw the wrong crowd again ehh ?
Zayd I just made my conclusion out of Pryda's comment, if I am wrong, I can delete it...
"clarifications can go a long way"
so you're looking for love, respect, maturity and education in a bar/night club?? what's next, gonna go looking for a bride in a brothel?
spike! i'm really amazed by your educated comment! maybe i need to get 3 or 4 additional degrees to get to understand your point (if it exists!)
on the other hand, you could easily challenge Lebanese to other nations based on education and general knowledge and i assure you we'll rank high! ;)
..sure Lebanese got some problems with their sense of belonging and can differ with their views of the future but we surely aint an uneducated nation!!
it seems you need to hang around with more Lebanese ppl before you throwing such bold statement!
I was at some sky view bar in Qatar during a business trip...and i dont REALLY agree they are the nicest people in the ME, as Love and Respect are the first symbol of maturity and education.
The French are way far friendlier...so i guess its good that the Lebs wanna be frankies.
a week ago, a lebanese told me that they are Europeans not Arabs.. now im confused..
This started as a Lebanese discussion and eventually turned out to discussion on British period of Indian history & it's effects.
Wonder if this site still exists by it's name!
thank you for your racist comment spike
well pryda you might be hanging out with the wrong crowd then...there are intelligent and well educated lebanese people out there and their numbers are actually pretty high...we have a good education system and excellent universities thankfully which graduate some high calibre people.
If you really want to make some lebanese angry, ask them about their educational background...
Pryda now I know why...
"clarifications can go a long way"
I do appreciate that most of the Lebanese Guys I see around dress very elegant and style them up well. But when I ask about there educational qualifications...it is VERY low than the average. Are they making it up ? I think its time for them to spend there money on education rather than shiny blazers and wet gels.
100% every word you said.. i quite agree.. its what makes ppl confused and doesnt help them to stereotype us.. we are a cocktail :D
WYSIWYG
Jsut put this question to lebanese & see where the poll reaches..!!
~noms~
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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein
Strange, before Turkey, now Lebanon who wants to be euro, but sadly not on all aspect.
Hindi hai HUM, is our national language but English widely spoken and used every where along with each state have their own regional language.
Hi FS: you take the thread from Leb to Ind....brought all brits to prove their points. anyways good to know that brits were staying in bungalows and not in apartments, after staying in GCC, we all will stay in 'Villas' now.
hindi is the national lingo
Aana free, jaana free,
Pakde gaye tho khana free.
i thought hindi is the official language of india?
every_mothers_n... lol
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during this recession not at all a good idea to meet them, too expensive :D LOL
Moving on is simple; it's what you leave behind that makes it so difficult .
catsniper ..catwalk on the runway not ramp..
Yep yep dying to meet a lebanese lady to practice a bit of style and culture
In my boring office hours I just love watching their (Lebanese chicks) catwalk like on the ramp. :P
Moving on is simple; it's what you leave behind that makes it so difficult .
Aye Aye.. There are lot of westeners like me who want to be Lebanese.. but will never wear those pointy shoes and greasy hair style's or speak French.. Love the women though and the food..yummy
We are very influenced by French culture... yet very Mediterranian in our mood.. very Arabs in roots... very modern in life style... very ambitious by heritage..
which make us very different, sometimes very criticized, some other times very liked...
But in no means we are dying to be French or any wannabe...
We are who we are.. which is by itself very justified if you take a look at our history and our nation's evolution.
Yes you are right atif242, i read they're history and its true that french is their 2nd language after arabic they thought in their University.
Enjoy Life!
all the way from lebanon it took a U turn towards india...lolz
Aana free, jaana free,
Pakde gaye tho khana free.
Lously, oui ca va hamdoullah
not only hard work Zhyiellha ..otherwise every hard working labourer would be successful? You need a bit of bullshiting to get to the top. A good leader is always the one that can convince not necessary deliver what he says.
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I'm fine thank you :) How are you and the family doing?!
hmmm makes me english eh.. now i've begun to integrate a few hindi words.. am i Indian? or not yet :D
Catsniper: its true, Bonjour has become a more common practice than Marhaba and Merci in place of Shoukran.. but then we tend to say Sorry and excuse me; we tend to say Kefek/kefak instead of comment cava and how are you.. so you will know a true lebanese when he or she walks up to you and says:
Hi, Kefak/Kefek? Ca va?! (3 languages into one sentence)
WYSIWYG
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
Should rephrase the Question tee...
Pinoys are not that different, our culture now is the product of Spanish, American, and Filipino culture...Combined and mutated into a more complicated form..
"clarifications can go a long way"
Lously..I guess that makes you dying to be English then...lol
How are you today sunshine?
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It’s totally up to them what they want to be like, but yes I have seen most of them prefer ‘Bonjour’ than greetings in English / Arabic. Am I right QL leb folks?
Moving on is simple; it's what you leave behind that makes it so difficult .
Are we dying to be french? NO! do the majority speak french? YES. Are we considered a Francophone country? YES.
We were definitely influenced by the french when they occupied Lebanon, but that only enhanced our culture, it did not change it or make us wannabes.
We have been occupied by many different civilizations, and we have learned alot from each and integrated certain things into our society and system, but we have not become wanna bes to any.
Now english is becoming as integrated into our Lebanese society whether in education or otherwise as much as french.
I am Lebanese.. I dont even know how to speak French.. but I am very fluent in English.. so what does that make me?
WYSIWYG
It is true - Lebanese are one of the most ambitious people in this region.
And they are the only ones who defeated Israel In the world.
And they are one of the few in the world speaks 4 languages fluently: Arabic, French, English, Armenian (some of them).
And they are loved by the region top governments because they spend money, smart, enhance lifestyle and encourage tourism.
We are not denying that part. We are also thankful for so many historic buildings, English Education System and the list goes on and on.
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FS..good point.. But the fact is that British Raj in India has left a long lasting legacy in India of Today. The British established democracy for Indians (even you might not agree on that) also by abolishing of the Mughal Monarchy. So even if you don't want to be British, the influence of 200 years of British rule in India is too much to be ingnored.
We Brits are also influenced by India, and as a proof I can verify that Curry has become the unofficial National Dish of the UK...lol
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Don't forget. We also live in "bungalows"
every one wants to be some thing different .our pinoy friends act like Americans. NO Offence.
Matter of personal choice.
Generally using USD, life style and western culture all around Beyrouth (Beirut),
Doing nose surgery (naturally big) to look more westernised than arab nationals.
Israel soft target attacks....bad neighbour Syria, GCC nation not very supportive.....so obviously France...could be a better solution.
That’s because we don’t speak a common language like your country... we have so many states speaking different languages...so its better to have one common language as our official Language...its not because English a great Language...lol
FS you are absolutely right. You got independence from the Britsih in 1947, but English is still the official language of your country.. hmmm
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Lebanese are amazing. They are willing to travel to all parts of the globe to succeeed.
Dunno about lebanese but I am dying to become an Extra Terrestrial(Alien)..
"clarifications can go a long way"
lol.
We got freedom from British in 1947...we can speak good English... we don’t act like a Brit...we are not wannabe British...lol So that makes no sense whatsoever..
better to be themselves
if you go to the Pearl or the Crytal Lounge you'll find lots of them to ask.
Maybe they just want to be loved. (Unlike the French)
Well, as we all know that LEBANESE have a Blonde look ,very pretty & handsome ppl & they do lead a very stylish life too. That's why they try their level best to be known as French,American etc
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Moreover, they did seek independence from FRENCH in 1943 adn they withdrew their forces in 1946 from lebanon. That's why they are so much influenced by them & try to learn French Language & their lifestyle too. I think they do have have french as their 2nd official language after arabic.[I'm not sure]
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Everybody wishes they could go to heaven but no one wants to die.
Let the Lebanese people be heard! are you guys dying to be French, asks Teepatter.
Reason for asking unknown.
from what i observed...a lot of lebanese, morocons and tunis speak french and love when they are called french....no idea if they are dying.
Aana free, jaana free,
Pakde gaye tho khana free.
Very clear He wants to know if lebanese going out of their way to be like French people
I wonder why he wants this information though
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They also want to be American, Canadian, Australian, etc, etc, etc,
Well, can you be more precise about what you have said so the readers can understand your point and add their too
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Everybody wishes they could go to heaven but no one wants to die.