Bleu, The Annual leave for expats working in corporarions/authorities have changed from 37 working days to 45 calender days. Also they settled the balance leave from previous year. The structure is not yet clear for expats. Is this the only change for expats? or any other changes may happen? please reply...
THE LAW U R TALKING ABOUT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO QP. THIS ONLY APPLICABLE TO MINISTRIES. I HEARD KHARAMMA ALSO GOING TO UNDER MUNICIPALITY. LAST YEST SOMEONE JOINED AND HE GOT 7.5K ACCOMODATION ALLOWANCE AND SOME ONE JOINED LAST WEEK AND HE IS GETTING 4K ONLY.
I think it's safe to assume that nationals who started government jobs in the last few years are set to have their salaries reduced, and nationals who have been with the government for many years will receive pay increases.
fubar, not everyone, some people had an increase, but their salaries have been low for ages, Starting 3750 basic salary for a new graduate since 1971 (My father started at the exact same salary I started at 30 years later...), it was increased to 5250 two years ago,this is a big change for ministry employees.
I guess after the 2009 budget was short by about, gee, 1.5 BILLION US Dollars (according to the weekend papers) the Qatari government might be trying to claw back some of their forecast losses.
It was probably a choice of cutting everyone's salary, or sacking inefficient workers.
A qatari friend of mine was told his take home pay will decrease by 4,000, but in the end it was decreased by 'only' 3,500. He's not amused.
His Qatari boss tried to console him by pointing out that his take home pay is to be reduced by 17,000.
Kind of amusing, admitedly in a perverse way, to hear about Qataris getting screwed over.
But I'm willing to wager that in less than 1 month all this will be reversed and everyone will be back to their old salaries, just like the traffic law was watered down and the increase in cigarette prices was overturned.
I can’t stand reading the dailies for the past few days, With all the cheerful interviews(How thankful & happy everyone is )!!! I think most comments were fabricated. How can our press be so shallow
I think it will depend on HR senior in each particular government corporation to utilize the law to their benefit. There are some grey areas that can be used (as special allowances initiated by each government body + the 40% of the basic) .
breifly, we had ministries, and in order to decentralize government, they started splitting some of them into independent entities that don't work under the civil service law.
These entities started a bidding war for Qataris, and there was an exodus of Qataris leaving the ministries.
There was an ebay-style bid war between them to capture the Qataris, and the salaries were hyper-inflated. Those who stayed in government would make between 10% and 25% of their counterparts who moved out (not 10-25% LESS THAN, but 10-25% OF). Last year they were banned from leaving the jobs that they hate, with a promise of a new law.
The new law fixes the basic salary for every job, and the allowances.
Since some already have inflated salaries, the new law will not touch their BASIC salary, but it will unify their allowances, (some see a decrease in the TOTAL salary of up to QR15k as I read in some Arabic forums)...
Really wonder how they settle with lesser salary... someone I know was recently granted Qatari nationality in a non-ministy...he might be regretting now..lol
Well, the law is too huge to be posted. I was surprised it was not posted in the English dailies(Not even mentioned!).
So far the law is applicable on Qataris only. As Expat in government offices has definite contracts, their salaries will be the same (I guess).
The law is already causing a huge controversy among Qataris in public forums, Radio talk show & Newspapers. Employees in government corporations are fearing that some allowance like (Educational & Additional housing) plus Medical insurance will be deduced.
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Google it...not hard, right?
Dears,
I have noticed the discussion about the Law and I would like to have a look on it as well, so would please send me a link or even post it ...
Thanks in advance.
hey guys, does anyone know what is considered as the beginning of salary date for expats?
Thanks
brightsun, I have no idea.
I am never sure if HMC is classed as government or not? Is HMC affected?
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Bleu, The Annual leave for expats working in corporarions/authorities have changed from 37 working days to 45 calender days. Also they settled the balance leave from previous year. The structure is not yet clear for expats. Is this the only change for expats? or any other changes may happen? please reply...
THE LAW U R TALKING ABOUT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO QP. THIS ONLY APPLICABLE TO MINISTRIES. I HEARD KHARAMMA ALSO GOING TO UNDER MUNICIPALITY. LAST YEST SOMEONE JOINED AND HE GOT 7.5K ACCOMODATION ALLOWANCE AND SOME ONE JOINED LAST WEEK AND HE IS GETTING 4K ONLY.
Here's a rant (in Arabic, and doesn't translate well using google)....
I think it's safe to assume that nationals who started government jobs in the last few years are set to have their salaries reduced, and nationals who have been with the government for many years will receive pay increases.
Ex-pats are yet to be affected.
Will the Qatari employees of the Supreme Education council get a rise too?
fubar, not everyone, some people had an increase, but their salaries have been low for ages, Starting 3750 basic salary for a new graduate since 1971 (My father started at the exact same salary I started at 30 years later...), it was increased to 5250 two years ago,this is a big change for ministry employees.
I guess after the 2009 budget was short by about, gee, 1.5 BILLION US Dollars (according to the weekend papers) the Qatari government might be trying to claw back some of their forecast losses.
It was probably a choice of cutting everyone's salary, or sacking inefficient workers.
Tough call.
fubar, I wouldn't bet on that.
when was the increase in cigarette price overturned? The price rise of Pesi and COke was overturned....
brightsun, nothing changes for expats.
A qatari friend of mine was told his take home pay will decrease by 4,000, but in the end it was decreased by 'only' 3,500. He's not amused.
His Qatari boss tried to console him by pointing out that his take home pay is to be reduced by 17,000.
Kind of amusing, admitedly in a perverse way, to hear about Qataris getting screwed over.
But I'm willing to wager that in less than 1 month all this will be reversed and everyone will be back to their old salaries, just like the traffic law was watered down and the increase in cigarette prices was overturned.
What about the allowances like Education, transport , family air ticket and medical for expatriates? can you throw some light on this? thanks
plz. attach it next time
do we really have to believe what we read on the dailies?
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It sounds like you gonna loose few thousands? are you one of them?
I can’t stand reading the dailies for the past few days, With all the cheerful interviews(How thankful & happy everyone is )!!! I think most comments were fabricated. How can our press be so shallow
kakaw: you're wrong... that's for the Qataris, the expats have contracts, and what's in your contract applies.
tallg: the Arabic newspapers are saying the usual "All Qataris are happy", "The biggest increase ever"... So expect price increases for everything.
exiled: no change for Qataris working in companies.
kakaw - where did you get that from? Source?
I think it will depend on HR senior in each particular government corporation to utilize the law to their benefit. There are some grey areas that can be used (as special allowances initiated by each government body + the 40% of the basic) .
Yikes!
Thanks for explaining.
"banned from leaving the jobs" - so it's not just expats you get screwed over :)
The housing benefit for all expat working with gov will be reduce from 7500 to 4000 and all the different will be giving to the qatari,,,, so smart
tallg,
breifly, we had ministries, and in order to decentralize government, they started splitting some of them into independent entities that don't work under the civil service law.
These entities started a bidding war for Qataris, and there was an exodus of Qataris leaving the ministries.
There was an ebay-style bid war between them to capture the Qataris, and the salaries were hyper-inflated. Those who stayed in government would make between 10% and 25% of their counterparts who moved out (not 10-25% LESS THAN, but 10-25% OF). Last year they were banned from leaving the jobs that they hate, with a promise of a new law.
The new law fixes the basic salary for every job, and the allowances.
Since some already have inflated salaries, the new law will not touch their BASIC salary, but it will unify their allowances, (some see a decrease in the TOTAL salary of up to QR15k as I read in some Arabic forums)...
The ministry employees are very happy.
be interested in this.
There is a huge difference in what Qataris can earn depending on which company and which sector they work in.
Really wonder how they settle with lesser salary... someone I know was recently granted Qatari nationality in a non-ministy...he might be regretting now..lol
Genesis, they will lose those allowances.
The aim of this law is to unify the salaries for Qataris doing the same job in different government organizations.
It used to be that you'd find a recently graduated Qatari engineer making 8k, and another making 20k, and both are in the government sector.
As the OP can't be bothered, would someone else mind giving a brief synopsys of what the law entails, and why it's causing so much controversy?
we are safe; where you stand Bleu?
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Well, the law is too huge to be posted. I was surprised it was not posted in the English dailies(Not even mentioned!).
So far the law is applicable on Qataris only. As Expat in government offices has definite contracts, their salaries will be the same (I guess).
The law is already causing a huge controversy among Qataris in public forums, Radio talk show & Newspapers. Employees in government corporations are fearing that some allowance like (Educational & Additional housing) plus Medical insurance will be deduced.
I'll talk about it,
This only applies to government, and not the private sector.
All the Qataris in non-ministries, who had their salaries previously inflated, will see a reduction in their TOTAL salary.
The Qataris in the ministries will see increases.
The non-Qataris will not have their salaries affected.
why not take the initiative to post some reference here.
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It may help the discussion if you post the law or a link to it.
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