Why do we Muslims not celebrate Valentine's Day?
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Most of QL may asked this question (Why do we Muslims not celebrate Valentine's Day?)
Please read the following article and I hope it answer your questions . because QL members are most respect and lovely friends and I hope who read this respect our view and religion ...
This question may be answered in several ways:
1- In Islam, the festivals are clearly defined and well established, and no additions or subtractions may be accepted. They are an essential part of our worship and there is no room for personal opinion. They have been prescribed for us by Allaah and His Messenger . Ibn Taymiyyah may Allaah have mercy on him said: "Festivals are part of the laws, clear way and religious ceremonies of which Allaah Says (what means): 'To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way' [Quran 5:48] and 'For every nation We have ordained religious ceremonies which they must follow.'" [Quran 22:67]
Like the Qiblah (the direction faced in prayer), prayer and fasting. So there is no difference between joining them in their festival and joining them in their other rituals. Agreeing with the whole festival is agreeing with disbelief. Agreeing with some of their minor issues is the same as agreeing with them in some of the branches of disbelief.
Festivals are the most distinctive things by which religions are told apart, so whoever celebrates their festivals is agreeing with the most distinctive rituals of disbelief. Undoubtedly, going along with them in their festivals may, in some cases, lead to disbelief. Dabbling in these things, at the very least, is a sin. The Prophet referred to the fact that every nation has its own festivals when he said: "Every nation has its own ‘Eed and this is our ‘Eed." [Al-Bukhaari]
Because Valentine's Day goes back to Roman times, not Islamic times, this means that it is something which belongs exclusively to the Christians, not to Islam, and the Muslims have no share and no part in it. If every nation has its own festivals, as the Prophet said: "Every nation has its ‘Eed" [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim] - then this means that every nation should be distinguished by its festivals.
If the Christians have a festival and the Jews have a festival, which belongs exclusively to them, then no Muslim should join in with them, just as he does not share their religion or their direction of prayer.
2- Celebrating Valentine's Day means resembling or imitating the pagan Romans, then the Christian People of the Book in their imitation of the Romans in something that was not part of their religion. If it is not allowed to imitate the Christians in things that really are part of their religion - but not part of our religion - then how about things which they have innovated in their religion in imitation of idol-worshippers?
Imitating non-Muslims in general -whether they are idol-worshippers or People of the Book - is Haraam (prohibited), whether that imitation is of their worship - which is the most serious form - or of their customs and behavior. This is indicated by the Quran, Sunnah and Ijmaa' (scholarly consensus):
(i) From the Quran: Allaah Says (what means): "And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment." [Quran 3:105]
(ii) From the Sunnah: the Prophet said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." [Abu Daawood]
Ibn Taymiyyah may Allaah have mercy on him said: "This Hadeeth (narration) at the very least indicates that it is Haraam to imitate them, although the apparent meaning implies that the one who imitates them is non-Muslim, as Allaah Says (what means): 'And if any amongst you takes them friends (and helpers), then surely, he is one of them' [Quran 5:5]."
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(iii) With regard to Ijmaa', Ibn Taymiyyah narrated that there was agreement that it is Haraam to imitate non-Muslims in their festivals at the time of the Prophet’s Companions and Ibn Al-Qayyim narrated that there was scholarly consensus on this point.3- The love referred to in this festival ever since the Christians revived it is romantic love outside the framework of marriage. The result of that is the spread of fornication and immorality. Hence, the Christian clergy opposed it at some stage and abolished it, then it came back again.
Some people may wonder, and say: “You mean to deprive us of love, but in this day and age we express our feelings and emotions - what is so wrong with that?”
We say:Firstly: It is a mistake to confuse what they call the day with what the real intentions are behind it. The love referred to on this day is romantic love, taking mistresses and lovers, boyfriends and girlfriends. It is known to be a day of promiscuity and sex for them, with no restraints or restrictions… They are not talking of pure love between a man and his wife or a woman and her husband, or at least they do not distinguish between the legitimate love in the relationship between husband and wife, and the forbidden love of mistresses and lovers. This festival for them is a means for everyone to express love.
Secondly: Expression of feelings and emotions is not a justification for the Muslim to allocate a day for celebration based on his own thoughts and ideas, and to call it a festival, or make it like a festival or ‘Eed. So how about when it is one of the festivals of the non-Muslims?
In Islam, a husband loves his wife throughout the year, and he expresses that love towards her with gifts, in verse and in prose, in letters and in other ways, throughout the years - not just on one day of the year.
Thirdly: There is no religion which encourages its followers to love and care for one another more than Islam does. This applies at all times and in all circumstances, not just on one particular day. Indeed, Islam encourages us to express our emotions and love at all times, as the Prophet said: "If a man loves his brother, let him tell him that he loves him." [Abu Daawood]
And he said: "By the One in Whose hand is my soul, you will not enter Paradise until you truly believe, and you will not truly believe until you love one another. Shall I not tell you of something that, if you do it, you will love one another? Spread salaam (Islamic greeting) amongst yourselves." [Muslim]
Fourthly: Love in Islam is more general and more comprehensive; it is not restricted only to one kind of love, that between a man and a woman. There are many more kinds of love. There is the love of Allaah, love of His Messenger and his companions love for good and righteous people, love and support for the religion, love of martyrdom for the Sake of Allaah, etc. There are many kinds of love. It is a dangerous mistake to restrict this broad meaning to this one kind of love.
Fifthly: What these people think, that love before marriage is a good thing, is wrong, as has been proven in studies and by real-life experience.
So, how can we believe that Valentine's Day is of any benefit to Muslims? The truth is that it is a call for more permissiveness and immorality, and the forming of forbidden relationships.
The husband who sincerely loves his wife does not need this holiday to remind him of his love. He expresses his love for his wife at all times and on all occasions
Valentine quotes I love you Day really like music are either included from the lines of well-known really like music and collections or initially created for the event.
This too early for Valentines day!
Salax
May Allah protect YOU ameen
Yeah, I was wondering which joker dragged it up to 1 of the 3 buttons on the right of my screen...
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The Cookie Monster said it.
Hard for me to believe an 08 thread on Valentine's is on Recent Posts Page in the first third of Ramadan 09...lol
Salam
I really see no conflict in seeing God in everything including for when one presents a lovely flower to their significant other.
I'd also remember Him on Labor day too, being grateful for His blessings, although that day is classified as "non-religious".
Ramadan Kareem..:)
Salam
"When I celebrate Valentines or any other occassion, it's for the fun and not the worship."
so you have two standards one for religious and one for non religious...
so the valentine falls on non-religious acts. can be said as irreligious? another thing giving roses for your love one is just for fun...what is that man????
it may sound right to others but if you are reading some books of faith it says..." put God in everything you do."
in Islam all acts of a muslim is a form of worship. even giving a smile to stranger is charity or worship.
removing a small broken glass on the road etc...how much more about celebration of eid...
both books qur'an and bible have a specific points regarding about acts of worship. like for example... "pray without ceasing."in the bible...
in islam every works we have a prayer (du'a), when entering, when going out, when eating, after eating, when someone sneeze, when traveling, when embarking, when disembarking, when we see beautiful things, when we hear one dies, when we hear someone is born, etc...and a very specific prayer on eid day...
that makes islam unique.
lol darude
great explanation
Its a good idea to post religious topics under the islamc group. That way people wont feel like religion is being shoved down their throat.
PH..i agree with you it is from both sides,but to associate people with
suicide bombing, i can see why they get upset, i would be too...
Dawhwah is one thing and critisicing and attack the other person’s beliefs is another.This might make the other person more adamant about his beliefs as well as spoil the good relationship that you have with him.
You can have sensible “argument” for the excellence of Islam, but the minute you see someone whos not interested in what you are saying, then all that will happen is more arguing that leads you nowhere. Do not let your da`wah deteriorate into a debate or quarrel. Tt is the quickest way to lose your sincerity and make all of your efforts go to waste.
Allah is the One Who guides and Who leads astray. While this does not remove the responsibility from the Muslim to invite non-Muslims to Islam, it does show us that we are in reality powerless to change peoples minds. Nevertheless, we do da`wah (inviting to Islam) because it is the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and it is the means by which Allah often (but not always) spreads His guidance. However da' wah shouldnt be done in an agressive manner.....theres a difference between inviting someone to Islam(Da' wah) and convincing him with it..
Personally i think da'wad is to lead by example.......
It would be nice if discussions were more constructive rather than insulting or agressive all round..
Nadt.. have you noticed that it is both muslims and non muslims who ridicule the religion at every chance they have. Whether it is about terrorism, red roses in saudi, domestic violence, or some women meeting a man in a cafe. Islam will always be part of these discussions.. and we as muslims should try to tell people about why such things are happening because non muslims do not understand.
What I really disliked was the fact that every time a person would talk from an Islamic stance .. someone else would jump in (both muslims and non muslims) and ridicule that stance.. and even make fun of it.. even if it was something which is a well known fact in islam.
And I admit that I let this type of comments get to me.. and frustrate me.. and defend that which is the truth.
Hashin it was my fault for not sweeping any comments under the carpet
I should have just let them wallow in their opinions..
and I didn't..
I allowed myself to be lured into a silly discussion that did not even keep in tune with the original post.
And I also have a great deal to learn about tact.. and talking to others in a way they can understand... or in a way that will do good... or in a way that I will not be answerable to Allah for not setting right that which is wrong.
hashin post where you like.im not saying dont post in qatar living lounge,its was a suggestion, as theres an Islamic group where info on Islam available for info and dahwah.....eps for copy and paste info, where people can read that stuff if they want more info about Islam....
I didn't get you...
Are you saying that Islamic topics should or should not be posted in Qatar Living Lounge?
why doesnt everyone make life simple. There is a muslim expat group here, for the people who want to discuss or read about Islam, why not just post in that group for muslims to read or for non muslims who are interested in the topics, to discuss etc etc etc..
Obviously this isnt a website to convert people, its about Qatar living and since Qatar is an islamic country Islam gets mentioned a lot, hence the muslim expats is a good idea to post information about Islam and people can choose what they read and what they ignore...
Your comment...
"You did it again PM>. You supported a disbeliever.. in him making my statements to appear like I have said something else.. "
PH... you are not the only one who feels that way...
you'd be surprised the kind of comments people are willing to sweep under the carpet
“Help you
one another in Al‑Birr and At‑Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but
do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily,
Allaah is Severe in punishment”
[al-Maa’idah 5:2]
PM rich coming from you.
Alexa I didn't mean to offend you with my post or anything. For the record I dont agree with a lot of what PH says, and you have a point in that she's not doing me a favor as a muslim because she doesn't represent me, but I just wanted to clarify that she still has every right to be here and what she posts is her prerogative- Im not directing this towards you ofcourse, Im just saying...
She's certainly not the only one making other people feel inadequate or look wrong when they disagree with her. Why only blame her for it? Infact she's just as much on the recieving end of it (eg. members insisting she's "airsupply") and its not her job to do anyone any favors, if there's anything I learnt from this site is that ppl are equal in posting what they want. At least she doesn't resort to personal attacks and back stab people by posting private details about their lives like some members have done, why werent they called out for it?
An apology is:
A written or spoken statement expressing remorse for something:
AN admission of guilt:
Or request forgiveness:
Then why did you make an apology then go on to say.......
"I allowed myself to be lured into the arguments and wishy washy thinking of those who spoke without any real knowledge or wisdom themselves"
I think you have missed the point of what an apology is, you should not apologise to someone, then go on to Criticise them.
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is this a religious site????
dont forget that ITS NOT
its a multi religion, culture and heritage site.
so you better stop.
YOU DO NEED TO RESPECT OTHERS RELIGION TOO.
NO ONE HERE IS BEGGING YOU FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT RELIGION.
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I feel I do need to apologize. I did not use or have any wisdom in responding to posts that would aggravate those who have different personalities, biases, and justifications from their opinions on what they say. I allowed myself to be lured into the arguments and wishy washy thinking of those who spoke without any real knowledge or wisdom themselves.
I made an excellent beginning post. However upon the seeing a sister mention something that was not true about Islam.. I quickly rushed to defend Islam and the truth of what the religion says. In this most people would have left such brainless comments alone and 3 scenerios would have happened if I had just left all alone.
My original post would have
1.) been replied with an obvious brainless reply that most would have understood as brainless.
2) Someone would have actually made a good point and posed a question that needed to be answered. And this could have been answered in an equally diplomatic way.
3.) people are just left to their own devices and no matter how much I try to explain the truth.. No one would have and indeed did care to listen. And my original post would have remained classy and uncompromised regardless.
Instead.. I commented ... in which incited those who have their own agendas to twist and turn whatever I said.. And has indeed, been a reflection of their own hearts. Which in turn deflect from the original post I made and the point I was trying to make.
And this comes from my own lack of wisdom of not understanding the condition of the people. Or how to respond in a forum where so many people may not be up to the same level as myself in their Islam. And this has made me appear argumentative...
This is something I should not have done.. and inshAllah May Allah forgive me .. and may I learn how to have more patience and wisdom in giving Dawah.
103. Surah Al-Asr (The Time)
1. By Al-'Asr (the time).
2. Verily! Man is in loss,
3. Except those who believe (in Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, and recommend one another to the truth (i.e. order one another to perform all kinds of good deeds (Al-
Ma'r?m>)which Allah has ordained, and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds (Al-Munkar)which Allah has forbidden), and recommend one another to patience (for the sufferings, harms, and injuries which one may encounter in Allahs Cause during preaching His religion of Islamic Monotheism or Jihaad etc.).
Personally, I think Valentine's day is one big commercial joke. Has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I don't take stuff like this seriously. But if that's your thing and you enjoy it then hey whatever rocks your boat.
I didnot said bad words to other people . s
econdly Everyone should know about our religion even if you disagree with us .
Also Don't mix between the view of islam and mistakes done by people.Also don't measure islam according to people. Islam is bigger than this .
Finally This My country and we got free speach and Please use better words when you reply to me
I respect your idea and you also respect our religion ..
thanks
But you started the bashing. With your " My religion is better then yours" agenda & called others as "Pegan". How do you know you represent the Qatari culture? Have you been to restaurants last thursday and saw how many Qatari couples were celebrating valentines? Have you checked with Jewelry shops/ Perfumers and clarified about the nationality of the consumers during the event(I advice you to go down to Alfardan or Almajed and ask how far Qataries do splurge over the event). Please don't generalize your opinion (or what you were brain-washed with) on US
First Iam totally disappointed from some of QL members who took this valubale topic to say bad things about other religion.
I added this topic because I am representing my country and culture and QL members from first time asked me to share with them my knowledge ...
QL members should know about my religion of my country , as they love this land and most of them spent their life here
Also as we are muslims we obbay our God's religion.so if some people not following islam it doesnot mean islam is not good. Islam is a peacefull religion and it teach us to live with other people in love and harmony .
Please donot take this topic to fight each other ...
thanks
I celebrate Valentine's Day everyday!!! trying hard to appreciate all the loved ones and people in my life, being thankful and grateful for what I have and what I don’t have.I also celebrate birthdays, mother, father, family days and certainly pray on Christmas, eastern and new year to pursue my dreams and that all of us fellow humans live in eternal peace and content.
I don’t believe in these days(except for Christmas) but they serve as good reminders. They are not part of my creed. Ramadan and 2 Eids are.
That's what I originally have been taught by tenets of my beliefs as a Muslim. So I wish guys who are blinded by calendar holidays, would open their hearts wide and read and interpret words of Allah as should.
Mark you calendar to make everyday a celebration! You will find yourself in constant prayer for the blessings you’re showered with and will sympathize and feel for others who are less fortunate.
Salaam
That Islam is black and white, but you did not continue the story. The story says that people like yourself make Islam looks like having a black side and you represent that side.
The more you argue here about Islam, the more damage you make to it. You are not in a position to teach people and explain Islam to them. Islam is Quran and Hadith. They are available in almost every language and everyone here can read. So do not waste your valuable time here. Go and look after your family and spend the remaining time praying or educating yourself instead of fighting with people here. God knows which forums and chat sessions you are involved in and what damage you are making to Islam in this place and other places.
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As if there is a hell!!!
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
a promise that he has taken upon Himself never to break:
The Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of th e Fire; no helper will you find for them QUR'AN chapter 4: 145
I'm MORE than glad to take a 10 day break...sheesh...
PH..you most definitely owe Alexa and PM an apology for your comments connecting them and the suicide bombers...so why not be an adult and do so? The rest of your arguements are just that...if that's the way you believe then go about life being happy with yourself...save us from it, please tho...
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
NOTHING ELSE.
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some popcorn Alexa ?
If everything needs a creator then so does the creator and so forth going back and back.
Statistical experiments have been carried out, double blind, that prayer makes not one jot of difference. Coincedences happen, nothing to be surprised at there.
"develop a belief" - exactly, you said it.
Care to name the 'miricles' that have happened to you in your life?
"well I'm not here arguing if God exists or not!"
Well it's incumbent on believers to constantly argue for god's existence as religion has tremendous influence in this world. We have already consigned thousands of gods to the dustbin of history, and I don't see anyone calling for the reinstatement of Zeus or Odin etc, just a few more to go.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
pm I never suggested .. I asked you a question to make your brain actually think!
Belief in God has always been a personal thing. And I suppose the question is ..why does every person in the world.. even those who live on isolated islands.. develop a belief that Something or Someone has created them?
Or if the big bang did happen.. then where did the bangs(2 entities of matter) come from? who or what created that? And why is there such a system that has allowed life to grow and develop?
And why is it that miracles happen after a person prays? Is that not evidence that A God has answered the praysif it was impossible to be just coincidence!
Oh no.. I believe in God.. I would be a fool not too.. with the miracles that have happened in my life!
As for others.. well I'm not here arguing if God exists or not! To each is their own in that matter.
But I am here fighting for the truth about the reality of the world and the beliefs some of its people hold.. and then hypocritically deny in the same breath.
'I have too much proof to say that he does! I could never deny his existance!'
You can only deny something that exists, you can't deny something which is not there.
Well if you have proof all I can say is that you are unique, the first and only person in human history to have proof. I think you mistake proof for faith.
Please publish this proof so all the world shall know, when you think about it a supreme beiong could make it all very clear quite simply.
It matters not to me what religion you happen to proscibe to, they are all ancient myths or additions to myths, that's all; hence I say again 'such a waste'
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
But what Adey?
What if God doesn't actually exist?
I have too much proof to say that he does! I could never deny his existance!
If I am wrong in my actions then I pray God will guide me. And I don't think he would leave his servants in limbo..........
I am a sincere follower of truth.. Whatever that truth may be! And I hate falsehood and injustice of any kind! And most of all I hate muslims who try to make the religion of Islam something that it isn't! When it is very clear that what they say is not based on any proof, evidence or knowledge within their own religion!
And I find it very unjust to accuse a person of thinking they compare themselves to Allah.
When we all know how Pharoah died a horrible death with the buzzings in his ear when Allah placed a bug there.... because he felt himself As Allah!
'As for me... Allah knows best my situation and will InshAllah bless me
with his blessing as he sees fit and is better for me and my faith..
And he is the controller of all affairs and gives the blessings to
those he wills....'
'And I am very sorry to inform that this worldly life means very little to me!'
What if you are just wrong though PH? Would seem a sad waste.
I'm sure you will say you have faith.......but
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
lima foxtrot.. we do not need a job with QP! So thank you very much for the hint. It is after all the companies loss! And of course a loss for us as well.. However Allah is more powerful than you.. and he makes what he wills happen.
If my husband lost something .. then I put my tawakul in Allah for defending the faith he has sent us with. And I am one of the believers who is not scared by the Shaytaan when he threatens with poverty and affliction.
It is too bad that people like you feel that Money, Career or anything else in this life could ever threaten a true believer in the Deen Allah has commanded us with.
I understand that this life may be all that you have.. and therefore such things may affect you a great deal. And perhaps I will be more happy in my affliction than when you experience happiness and ease..
As for me... Allah knows best my situation and will InshAllah bless me with his blessing as he sees fit and is better for me and my faith.. And he is the controller of all affairs and gives the blessings to those he wills....
And I am very sorry to inform that this worldly life means very little to me! And your threats only carry your own fears.. and Not mine!
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
and a question to ponder:
'It would be interesting to see the figures on admissions to psychiatric
treatment for religious idealogues as compared to the norm.'
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
PH has shown her true colours here on QL.
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and maybe someone from QP has been reading all PH's post and decided they don't want he/she to work for them.
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It seems PH / she / he more interested to discuss about religion then the move to Qatar or works with QP?
you have not apologised to Alexa or PM for your nasty comments!!!
Shame on you!!
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Still got those beers? How many factions in Islam? Might be one extra in a minute.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
you and PM.
Although there has been some people on QL that think non believers and non Muslims should be put to death !! Thats not very sporting is it ??
Everyone should just learn to get along, jew, Arab, Catholic and all the other religions, we all bleed red !
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Well said.........with no comments.....speechless
You did it again PM>. You supported a disbeliever.. in him making my statements to appear like I have said something else..
Isn't it obvious how he purposely twisted ... and quoted me.. without qouting the whole statements.
I never once in any of my statements ... EVER said that you were a disbeliever.....
In fact I said you and alexa are no better than those who take part of the Quran and verses .. such as the takfirees... and use them and interpret them through your nufs (heart) and twist everything a person has to say. And assume that which is NOT TRUE!
And your insults!... and in fact siding with ST. Paul in his obvious LIE is ample evidence that what I am saying is true.
get dragged into this arguement ??
And i quote here, Habibi....
" to the point that you have left the protection of the muslims and have started to fight and side with the non-muslims and hypocrites on almost all of the misguided beliefs they hold."
" Such as killing the kufr.. or not making friends with the disbelievers."
Please explain ....
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i think u did a good job PM.
Stay PM, i wanna see blood and violence !!
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Why don't you quit hiding behind this fake persona and just tell us who you really are...most of us here have already seen through your guise.
You preach yet you deceive.
You have never called my card! Your judgements and biases have blinded your eyes to the truth because you have been hurt by individuals. Because you became muslim and was dissappointed in the muslims.
And Allahu Alim what your other reasons are!
If you read carefully.... it is the judgement calls that people like you and alexa make that are the reason we have suicide bombers and people who misinterpret the Quran today.
One example I would like to make is the remark I made some time ago about eating with knives and forks. I Never said that a muslim can never eat with the fork or knife.. or even use toothpaste.. And yet you took my words as if one can never ever eat or use such things. Rather I would say this is your problem in that you do not understand how to interpret what even a mere human says in the context in which they say something. It twists in your mind until you make what they say something it isn't. I.E. you take it to literally and hard!
And I don't know how many times.. you have called me a "salafi" and made me part of a sect! Despite declaring myself on numerous occassions that I believe Islam is only that which has evidence!
You have not learned the Islamic knowledge enough or you would easily know how to differentiate to what is black and white in Islam and to what is only recommended and opinions for the muslims. And because of this you are turned away because you think Islam is difficult or hard. When in fact Islam is a very easy religion to understand.
Also you have NO hesitation in insulting Muslims or the Islamic Creed and Belief! Your hatred for Islam is growing in your heart every day.. to the point that you have left the protection of the muslims and have started to fight and side with the non-muslims and hypocrites on almost all of the misguided beliefs they hold. And this also holds true for Alexa.
You have said.. that you chose not to get in a debate with me about your beliefs or the reasons behind your insults... and rude comments.
and I have already responded to you PM and said that I would be a good listener with no strings attached.
Yet you keep repeating the same thing over and over again.. IN PUBLIC!
Tell me.. if what you believe has any substance then why are you scared to share it with the rest of the world.. And guide us muslims who need guidance. Since you feel you of course are on the right path!
So here it goes.. no one is going to debate with you.. So tell us what is your reasoning and what do you actually believe. Cuz from your posts it is definately starting to get really confusing. You claim to be a muslim who has knowledge of Islam.l and that of those on the haqq and yet are so willing to insult others by saying
That we make ourselves into Allah subhana wa ta'ala.
What a rude statement that was.. and one that clearly was void of any knowledge within Islam.
You know the inheritance laws.. yet you have proclaimed that you just cannot follow them because they don't make sense to you!
Now to all the non muslims on this site.. PM may be eloquent in her speech.. and have made friends with people. It may be nice to have someone side with you on the issues that you would agree about..
But Islam is a Black and White religion on so many issues. And I would think that as a non muslim .... many of you would appreciate people being honest about what Islam is stating rather than some rhetoric by people who have themselves admitted that they find it hard to follow the Quran on issues that are difficult for them. And yet claim to possess more knowledge than scholars of Islam.
Please note.. to all friends.. that my insult in comparing these two to suicide bombers is because they believe in part of the Quran and not another.
How can a person believe in a religion and a Book that came as a Guide for Mankind and yet refuse to follow the Verses within the Book?????
Clearly many verses within the Quran would go against their personal beliefs.. So how do they interpret them.. Such as killing the kufr.. or not making friends with the disbelievers.
Have they seen the matters of the Unseen (Al Ghaib)??? That they can interpret such verses.
What stops people from becoming suicide bombers or even alcoholics is the hadeeth.. that goes hand in hand with the Quran.
and this brings me back to every single one of my posts about islam.
Muslims don't know crap about the religion. They think they do.. They believe in Islam.. and say yes we are muslim. And know absolutely nothing about the whole of the religion and what it teaches. And are doing nothing to bring themselves out of ignorance and learn.
I may not agree with many scholars of Islam on many many issues.. however at least I am doing something about it! By learning Arabic, hadeeth, and sciences of the Quran.
What are pm and alexa doing besides filling people with their wayward rhetoric?
oh right.. thats it ... I remember now.. PM is insulting others by making the suggestion that they are trying to take the place of Allah!
And you would be suprised at some of the drunken antics we did...
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''Spank me harder?'' Mr. Paul, I'm sure the British Army never encourages such behaviour!
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Bad boy Mr. Paul. Diamondism does not allow such outbursts from males.
OK guys, this Diamond has a plane to catch. Have fun! Happy V Day
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Adey, only if they are very good boys...Diamondism is totally and utterly ruled by females. Males are our slaves.
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No religion expressly prescribes anything Choice to certain limits is advisable.....
And it is the limits that one has to draw thats more important...
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
Or do male diamondists receive beer from their female brethren?
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Ah, my first convert! You will get a very special Magic Diamond.
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All of my very own?
Where do I sign up?
You are right..... Diamondism Rocks!... big glittery ones....
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
and says that you are atheist. My boss who is agnostic (very kind hearted, he is candidate for Nobel Prize ) calls Mother Mary with worst names
I dont have problem with him what bothers me is another so called catholic who giggles and enjoys slandering of Mary . I get upset that makes me ponder what kind of Christian is she? And then on 25th December she celebrates Christmas birth of Jesus. Isnt that hypocracy
We have grt respect for Mary, mother of Jesus, One chapter is decdicated to her in Quran.
Atleast Atheist will say we celebrate Christmas (though its pagan festival ) for booze and gifts this are words straight from my boss
now within muslims there are hypocrates, there are 75 characteristics of hypocracy (like Salman Rusdie, Taslima Nasreen there are millions more) I can see several characteristics in me out of 75 May Alllah Guide me
Hypocrates are like black ants crawling on black stones, This creates confusion among disbelievers and trust me Allah Says about Hypocrates in one whole chapter and in several chapters verses of munafiqs are said.
There is no place for Munafiqs in Islam, Alhumdullilah I learnt my Deen from reverted muslim ( we born muslims were just like Catholics/hindus Julie/Mina/Tina/Reena)
Silly Xena, the man of your choice will be provided to you with the use of The Magic Diamond which you receive upon accepting Diamondism. The Magic Diamond has special powers which you use to hypnotize your dream man and make him fall in love with you for ever and ever.
Diamondism rocks! (ouch, very bad joke)
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But what if you do not have a diamond.... and you cannot find said husband to provide the diamond... how can I diamond worship?
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
Oi vey!...couldn't find any kosher cream cheese...some shiksa stole it no doubt.
With regards to Diamondism, I'm just fine-tuning...you know, The Book of Diamonds, How You Must Wear Your Diamonds, the obligations of the husbands to provide the diamonds...not forgetting...The Worshipping of the Diamond.
Creating a new religion is SO much work.
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Alexa, on my screen Jauntie's comment is in full. No blackout.
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Missile hits target....*move up paul, adey.... not a drinker, but chuck one of those beers this way.... in for the long-haul.... now where are those crisps I brought.....*
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
Stange! oh well post into browser
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Shalom my chosen people.
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You MUST see this
Even the music goes with the fight.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
have to put up with !!!
We are better off out of it, i think..
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It's a tag team wreastling bout now?
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
This is where its gonna get intresting..PM/Alexa vs PH/Manyana.
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But I expect you jogging along the Corniche in your sweat pants shadow boxing every day now.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Think of it like a prize fight - the young pretender v the reigning champion.
Cue Rocky theme tune.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Shall we run a book?
first one to cite a named cleric?
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
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It's always interesting to watch people fighting over their imaginary friends
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
I think PH is a secret Vactican plot.... she has been placed here to turn people away from islam and just give it a very poor image...
doing a very good job
Mind if I park myself awhile and open a packet of popcorn?
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
wait for it.... wait for it......
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PH, That is the worst thing you have ever said....and you are usually WAY offbase.
You have sunk to an all time low with those kinds of comments you made to PM & Alexa. I think an apology should be made.
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we may enjoy things when we are young but we don't enjoy them anymore when we age. It might be fun for 2 teenagers in love to celebrate Valentine's but when we grow, even birthdays, new year's, X-mas & Eid don't seem fun anymore.
I agree that the country should not all be colored in red & decorated with hearts & roses, but people should be free to have private celebrations
if you pay peanuts you get monkies
I just need to make a quick point to PM about her comment "the same as Allah" in making judgements..
I think that was a wrong thing to say .. And you very well know it!
And if you want to turn that around.. And criticise anyone in reference to what you have stated.. then it would be yourself and alexa. As you read the Quran and interpret it.. to how your heart feels at the time. Isn't that nearer to being God in that you feel YOU have the power to rightly read a Book that no other scholar in the world feels they can do without some sort of Hadeeth. (whether its shia or sunni)
Are you better than a group of people who interpret the Quran by the doings and sayings of the Prophet. And do not add anything to these interpretations of the Sahaba and the Prophet SAW nor inshAllah take away anything.
actually I would say it is people like you and the others who become suicide bombers because they hear a verse in Quran "Kill the kufr where ever you find them" that are the ones causing division and lack of unity within Islam.
You take part of the Quran.. but then do not accept ALL of what it says.. And yet fall back on no hadeeth to help you with even the timeline of the Quran. How do you know which verses have been abrogated?
If people are truly sincere in their Islamic belief then they would strive to become People of Knowledge! rather then commenting on your feelings which are baseless! As of yet I don't see either of you doing so!
What keeps you Muslim? So many other religions also claim La Ilaha Ilalah and I hear that if you become a sikh.. they even believe in Prophet Mohammad as a prophet and pray for him.
valentines day have no any connection on the religion, its a matter of remembering that there's a heart day that you can give something for your love ones.
Great wonderful debate for muslims and I hope we all learn something from it.
My point on this:
Whether valentine is allowed or not depends on one crucial thing (from a muslim point of view)....Your level of Eman i.e. knowledge, belief and commitment.
Knowledge: You've read and developed an understanding of such celebrations from Islamic point of view.
Belief: Your understanding (from learned scholars and respected sources) is something you'll accept regardless and firmly believe in.
Commitment: You're willing to firmly hold on to this belief and can logically and eloquently explain and prove your point from an Islamic point of view.
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JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) _ Indonesia issued a tsunami alert on Thursday after a strong earthquake rocked the east of the country.
The country's geophysics agency said an earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.6 struck 275 kilometers (170 miles) southwest of the Maluku island chain at a depth of 10 kilometers (6 miles). It said it had ´the potential to cause a tsunami.ª The U.S. geological survey put the intial magnitude of the quake at 5.9.
The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center and Japan's Meteorological Agency did not immediatly issue their own tsunami warnings.
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Diamondism. Any takers?
Ok, bedtime...I'm getting way too silly to care what I say.
Goodnight all.
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Dont give up so easily no problem i will send my ghost to accompany you :D
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Ok, Ok, I give up...I promise no more bagels I'm starting my own religion which includes diamonds.
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I dont think there is anything wrong with you eating Jewish bagel.
lot sonline shold be a chatitng room
I L!ke Mus!c(omarstuff.wordpress.com)
Iwow...lots online rihgt now....there sould be a chatting room
L!ke Mus!c(omarstuff.wordpress.com)
PM, do you think it will help me enjoy my morning bagel more? I can eat in Hebrew.
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well explained and said....thanx
I L!ke Mus!c(omarstuff.wordpress.com)
Judaism is looking quite good PM...care to join? lol
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I don't know if I have tiime now, Jauntie...it seems because I eat bagels I am now Jewish. I am now very busy familiarising myself with my new customs.
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Why dont we ride camels? why do we travel by air
Why do we use internet ? why dont we wear Turkish pants (islamic pants)
since we have problems with western pants
i should consider all this since I ancient Old as Pyramid
when I was a teenager meant you had a secret admirer.
If you got more than one, then you were the envyr of your schoolmates.
A very harmless bit of teenage fun.
An anonymous delivery of red roses are intriguing on Valentine's Day (or any day!)
For Heaven's sake, it's romantic!
Who cares who started it or why, it's become a tradition and makes people happy. What's wrong with a 'feel good' day when the newpapers feed us all 'feel bad' days.
so when you discuss with me bring the verses of Quran and Hadith
Then its easy for me to rectify my mistakes
Don't know Eco, why are you? You're obviously far superior to me. I just eat Jewish bagels. I'm imitating being Jewish.
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I miss that . I love honey wheat kosher bagels. There are dozen of Kosher bakeries in Le marais, Paris. I used to pick in my way 2 work
SO. What is the bashing theme today?
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Oh really PM, I thought Princess Habibah was your alter ego :)
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"Whoever imitates a people is one of them. when we know this
hadith is clear and authentic
why do we say we just do it for this reason or that reason?? Is our reason valid enough to be in their category (pagans)
Btw why I am discussing this with you DG
I happen to eat a Jewish bagel almost every day lol. Does that make me a half-believer? Ooer.
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Happy Valentines PM! Did you send your little grandchildren a message of love?
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Eco-savvy AKA Preacher Man, who are you to say that Amnesia is a part-time believer? That's a bit strong.
You appear to feel very strongly that celebrating what in your opinion is a pagan festival is wrong. Why then arre you happy to make money off the back of it in your capacity as a floral designer? Haram, non?
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We cant be half muslim half pagan (infact paganism is boom for me as floral designer)
half Muslim half buddhist
half muslim half christian
‘half hearted efforts do not produce even half results – they produce no results’.
You are now the best nation (Ummah) brought with for mankind.
You
enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah”
(Ale – Imran 110)
According to this divine decree which nation deserves to be called the best:
1) That which believes in Allah.
2) That which forbids what is wrong.
3) That which enjoins what is right.
The mystery of the downfall of Muslim Ummah has been solved by these verses of the Qur’an.
When some Bushinas, tsunamis befalls on us then we have another slogan Why Allah is killing innocent ppl.
Valentine is pagan's festival http://www.thercg.org/articles/ttbsvd.html (Amnesia this link is posted again for your awareness)
BTW we are divided into 73 SECTS (ONLY ONE WILL GO TO JANNAH) and non muslims 72 SECTS i really dont know about them
@ Richard.... I LAUGHED SO HARD when I read your first line
"richard123 said Its not xmas habibah ..."
Don't get me wrong anyone, I understand that in Islam we are told not to promote another religion by supporting their religious events, but my argument is, what if you celebrate an event for another reason? Not for the religion?
My personal faith is that Allah is mercifull and forgiving. He is also tolerant and accepting. So we should use Allah as the example.
If we aren't supposed to be learning other languages because it's the language of another religion, then why are we speaking english?
I believe peace is through integration not segregation.
To understand different parts of the religion is fine if you want to use past events, but you must also acknowledge that those past acts were respective of it's time.
For example, some Imams say that Music is haram. Some say that only music that incites hate and has bad words or sexual contotations are haram. Some say that it's not Haram it's just makrooh. Some say it's Halal because the athan is in a musical tone.
I guess we just have to follow what he believe in our hearts. I'll do my best to be a good person because I know that God see's within me.
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I do try and inject a little humor into these o so serious debates of the righteous. Most of the time my pathetic attempts at satire fail to hit their mark and I provoke several responses of indignation.
However, if I made you or anyone else laugh I am glad because that was my intention.
As far as I am concerned, I also believe in peace but only after the USA squashes that little communist upstart known as Denmark.
The time has come to substitute caution for courage. Martin Luther King, Birmingham, Alabama 1963
I fail to see Valentine's day as a religious celebration, it is now purely a commercial advert for love... nothing more.... frankly I don't see the neccessity of this thread as none of the quotes what I assume to be from the Q'uran are actually related to this day. Its not a holiday in any country as far as I am aware so it has no religious significant in that respect either....
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
get me both english and arabic.
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I will gladly send a link.. as soon as I back track and find it..
on a proper hadeeth website. One that will be of no question to you on its truth!
Can you read arabic.. or is english the best language for you?
That makes alot of sense Alexa..
you believe in the Quran but not the hadeeth? That clears up so many questions I had in my mind!
So I wonder is it you causing division with your lack of belief and guidance by hadeeth and personal interpretations of the Quran (leaving out that which you don't understand) or is it me by stating that which has been followed for more than a 1000 years?
or should i give you hadeeth software that will be easy for you to find out.
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'I see is that you incite and promote a rift between faiths'
dont' worry Alexa not true... i just laugh my socks off - which is good.
This prissy pious pedantic attitude is funny.....
Show some respect. The festival is called Christmas after Jesus Christ who I believe is one of your prophets as well as being the object of worship in Christianity.
To call Christmas Xmas is to devalue the occasion from any religious significance. If it is Xmas then it is not religious and then surely, there is nothing to stop muslims or anyone else for that matter from celebrating it.
The time has come to substitute caution for courage. Martin Luther King, Birmingham, Alabama 1963
I said give me ref from Quran and Hadeeth.
'Umar forbade learning their languages, and even entering their
churches on the day of their festival, so how about doing some of the
things they do on those days, or doing things that are a part of their
religion?
I dont give a damn about shia or Qadiani.
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that shia's have their own hadeeth
or that we are not allowed to celebrate xmas
???
is this topic on behalf of shia or sunni???
are you shia?? yea seems so your name and you following Umer words. not the Prophet PBUH.
get me reference from Quran and Hadeeth. with link.
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Da rude it said on the day of the festivals... Not always. which is because to learn ones language means you have to associate with them. And Umar... one of the sahaba felt that we should try not to place ourselves in situations where we might offend them... i.E. leaving all of a sudden if they practice shirk
the shia's have there own hadeeth Darude.. Or didn't you know that?
muslim converts.... way more staunch than the born muslims.....lol....
Princess Habibah vs Darude/Amnesia....
No offence meant to anyone, so please don't take any.....
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Alexa..
I know what you mean.. To a non muslim reading those texts it does make it look like Islam is totally against them.
Unfortunately.... being a muslim does mean that we are divided from the Non muslims! We don't agree with what they believe in.. And we believe that Islam is the light!
That does not mean that we don't have a mutual respect for the n on-muslims. Even if we are not able to go into the churches or celebrate the holidays.
for instance if someone from a christian came to the house.. then we should respect what they have to say and listen very carefully.
((If the people of the Book give as-Salaam upon you, then answer them by saying, And upon you)) is made clear in a hadeeth narrated by ibn 'Umar
And also we must be JUST with all non muslims and treat them kindly in all affairs.
Amnesia, I agree with you... I don't know anyone who actually associates Valentine's day with a saint.
In Brazil (a country with a huge Christian population), it's not even celebrated on the 14th of Feb but rather on the 12th of June...
'Umar forbade learning their languages, and even entering their
churches on the day of their festival, so how about doing some of the
things they do on those days, or doing things that are a part of their
religion?
are you insane???
how will you preach islam?? if you wont LEARN their langauge??
and haadeeth for shia??? lady you really need to go and refresh your Knowledge.
i went into church i am a muslim i prayed there too AND I AM NOT A SINNER OR GET A SINNER IF I DO SO.
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Yes amnesia.. that is why he sent down the Quran
to guide us.. and teach us what is right and wrong and to establish tawheed!
As for interpretations.. Well your right alot of interpretations are in Islam.. by people. so we then look at the evidence.
The evidence and example being how did the sahaba and Prophet Mohammad interpret celebrating such events.
In the Sunnah: Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came [to Madeenah] and they had two days in which they would (relax and) play. He said, "What are these two days?" They said, "We used to play (on these two days) during the Jaahiliyyah." The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allaah has given you something better instead of them: Yawm al-Duhaa [Eid al-Adha] and Yawm al-Fitr [Eid al-Fitr]." (Reported by Abu Dawood).
'Umar ibn al-Khattaab said: "Avoid the enemies of Allaah on their festivals."
'Umar forbade learning their languages, and even entering their churches on the day of their festival, so how about doing some of the things they do on those days, or doing things that are a part of their religion?
obviously for shia's I do not know the hadeeths.. and so it may be different for them.
I would say that this is ample evidence to say that we should not celebrate xmas. So even if it makes your friends happy.. does not mean it is fine and allowed within sunni Islam.
Not that I would judge them based on this.. as to each person is the own choice on what they choose to follow and not follow. And Allahu Alim a persons heart and sincerrety.
I only wish to clarify this point so as to not make what is (clearly) Haram into Halal.
God is the only judge, no matter who you worship, only they have the right to judge your actions....
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
I never said Islam was created to bring the world together, I said we should bring the world together through Islam. There's a very big difference.
Perhaps I've got my own little faith going on, but at the end of the day, I'll follow Islam to the best of my abilities. Remember, someone had to interpret the Quran, and it's been interpreted by many different people, so why can't we have our own interpretations? It's just how some people are hypocrits, they'll say "No you have to do this, it's written", but they'll also say "No you can't do that..." "why? It's not written", "but it's implied".
As for the day, every day is a valentine's day for the person I love. I'll give her everything, love, and respect. If the word Valentine can make her feel even more loved, then why not.
Point is, some people are not so stringent when it comes to religion and we just need to tolerate people's attitudes towarsd life and religion.
I know some Muslim friends who celebrate Christmas as an event (not the spiritual part), it doesn't affect me and if it makes them happy then it's fine.
God is the only judge.
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mara zan bah khwashalo na!!!
nan saba the pukhtoonkhwa mor mara shawee da!!
sorry for hijacking...
Phukhtano da kar na kaye paqalara sha zan yakh sata :D
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khrab baiytak ya Abu Al Theeb (zeeb)!
hai youm eid ul hoob!
anta ma eeraf shai....
HAPPY VALENTINE TO EVERYONE!!!!! (in advance)
Lets celebrarte love !!!!
Obviously it is bringing the world together as religons do bring the world together in a way that it unites all in one (at present many) beliefs and that is God is the person respected by many beliefs.
For instance it brings many Christians to Rome and many Muslims to Mekka so what would you call that, and one thing more every new person to the Muslim religon gets an enormous welcome as Muslims are happy when they find converts.
This has of course nothing to do with Valentine which in my opinion has nothing to do with the original St. Vaentine, it is clearly a day when businesses, retauraunts and flower shopw make good business and is mainly due to gifts and cars a commercial festival.
Those who make valentine a special day for their loved ones are the consumers of this festival.
Amnesia.. Islam never came as a religion to bring the world together
It came as a religion which promotes the worship of God.. solely in Tawheed. And will this will only be established ALL over the world when the mahdi comes. (common knowledge about islam in every sect )
I wonder how come you don't try to change the day you share the love (similar to that of valentines.)
One thing I do .. rather than give my daughter b-day parties is to have a party (without a b-day theme) and give presents to all her classmates + her. She then doesn't feel left out.. however its not a party we do at the same time every year. which means we could have 3 or 4 parties for her if she wishes.
@princess habiba, Imitating would be following their traditions.
In Valentine's day I have my own traditions.
(some just happen to be similar to what 'non-muslims' do).
We're supposed to bring the world together through Islam, but sadly people are to focused on the divide.
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I think the author made several points amnesia. Another of them being that we do not imitate non muslims in the celebrations.
And another of the reasons is because valentines is something which does not have any restrictions between lovers, mistrisses, spouses,
And by condoning the celebration of Valentines days which was based in the first place on a Roman Celebration of non marriage..and thereafter a christian celebration that the church rejected at one point because of the lack of chastity within the holiday..
To modern day times when people take boyfriends and lovers very easily. Then we can see that it is not a holiday based on the morals and chastity Islam promotes.
Also the love which is shared.. as many people have said is for every day of the year. If a muslim is not able to show his love then perhaps he should try to read the islamic texts and gain love in his heart for Allah.
This was an excellent article if not a bit long winded. And I will make du'aa for the Qatar Falcon for his intentions of good and trying to establish understanding.
as one poster said.. We all come for different religions and backgrounds and should try our best to understand those around us.. without bashing someone elses beliefs.
@red_pope, when I said 'The Christians adopted it', I meant that the Christians of their time accepted it.
So if you, for example, don't accept it as adopted by your religion it wouldn't apply to you. Sorry if I caused offence.
It's like Christmas. It was adopted into Christianity and wasn't an occassion from the begginning.
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yes your right diamondgirl, small things really means a lot.. :) a simple message from ur loved one can already make your day.. :) its just so wonderful knowing someone is there for u.. :)
It really is the little thoughtful actions everyday that count. To know that you are loved and someone is rooting for you and wants to make you happy, makes you want to do the same right back. Win win!
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awwww is he really a romantic at heart???shhhhhh ok i shant tell......
life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......
oh ignore charan...he is always saying the opposite...he is a romantic guy (just doesnt' want everyone to know...right, charan? )
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Love is the answer...look at my tag line below :)
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i agree with u owen, its great to know that such people still exist.. :)
charansoi there's nothing wrong in showing someone how much u love him/her..well, that's only my opinion coz i believe that love makes the world goes round, love ties all of us together.. :)
Very sad to hear that this kind of fools still exist on this earth ;(
very nice to hear CB that this kind of love and affection do "still" exist...makes you want to believe again...
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i say he appreciates her unless of course on the other side of the coin she is making him get her all the stuff......lol(i may be wrong.......)
life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......
"We have a young Philippina in our office, she is very sweet just turned 30, her huband buys her a piece of jewellery every month, and every anniversary, and every Christmas, and every New year. He makes her lunch in a bag to take to work and a great many other things - I call this real love (not because of the jewellery)"
I didn't know such kind of fools exist in real life (:
happy valentines to all of you , have a good one, i will be gone for a few days back on sunday, till then be good stay safe and have a good week end.......muah and tataaaaa
life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......
shenuu haail maskhara youm valentine :?
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You are still very young but have a great attitude and valentine is really not about one day more about the respect and love you give to each other.
We have a young Philippina in our office, she is very sweet just turned 30, her huband buys her a piece of jewellery every month, and every anniversary, and every Christmas, and every New year. He makes her lunch in a bag to take to work and a great many other things - I call this real love (not because of the jewellery) but because he cares about her.
Inshallah HappyHappy...Happy Valentine's Day
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I hope your Valentine's is as long as the years you lived, still ahead of you and beyond. Salaam
what is all this argument about vals day,??? i am christian and i celebrate what i like . i think this is the beauty of living in qatar . we are allowed to still have our identity. not like some other gulf countries. i think if the muslims dont want or like to celebrate vals day, they have every right not to . lets all just live in harmony with one another and we will all be happy . pls for you xtians that are celebrating it like me... have a happy valentines day. pass the love on to your neighbour , thats the most important message for this day, whoever you are... thanks all for your time..
Salam Canarybird...oh yes, I know how fortunate I am. I try to reciprocate of course :) I am a bit too competitive for my own good lol.
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Sorry Owen...tis true...I am blessed with the most wonderful of husbands...he is excellent at surprises. I am very fortunate.
Quite good at surprises myself though...
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Good Morning
You can consider yourself a lucky lady dear.
*envious with DG here* ......hmp! ....
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Well my Valentine's experience started last weekend and is still ongoing into this weekend :) It's wonderful to celebrate love
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Infect every relegion have own celeberations and valentines days is cristans relegion celeration. Being a muslim this is clear we have no concern with this day but for cristans we repesct their celeberations.
"Keep Smiling"
I don't need a day like Valentines day to show my apriciation to some one close to me like my husband, friends, parents etc.
I think its nice to show them evrytime you meet them. And the way you show it can be for instance making a nice diner for friends and family or giving a present from time to time or just being there for one another and so on....
And on Valentines day it doesn't mean anything to me. It is more special when it comes from the heart and the thought then when some commerical day makes you do it.
So for me it's "Valentines day" everyday only not on the made day its self hahaha.
But he, everybody does it in it's own way so lets respect that. Also the one's that don't celebrate at all even if there is a special day for it.
Just have fun and respect others :):):)
Greetz J. :)
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I think you are somewhat confused and yet again I seethe preachers are at work.
Although this at one time did have a religous background as said above relating to the Romans and St. Valentine - today it is not the case.
Many aof my Muslim friends celebrate it too, people nowadays are consumers and as such often find such an event an idea moment to patch up old quarrels or just to show appreciation to the person they care for. Often it is not even that, howeverthis is a large industry nowadays and you will find that many Muslim shops are selling those kind of goods.
"In Islam, a husband loves his wife throughout the year, and he expresses that love towards her with gifts, in verse and in prose, in letters and in other ways, throughout the years - not just on one day of the year".
I don't where you picked up this part but I can tell you I and many other women who were married to Muslims got the present of being hit slaped an kicked sworn at andthe saved money all went to his accout during the marriage not to mention the affairs with other women.
Oh I see this is the love he expresses, the beatings were the gifts, the prose was the swearing, and the letters were his way of taking all our capital.
This is not even just one Muslim this is millions who show there appreciation in this way.
So please don't preach about "Why do we Muslims not celebrate Valentine's Day"?
AMNESIA said:
It was created by the Romans to celebrate appreciation.
The Christians adopted it!
Amnesia, I agreed partially with your statement but:
I got a sensitivity issue with your statement of "THE Christians adopted it".
I'm Christian and I don't follow that tradition. I know for fact it has the roots of Roman paganism.
The Roman Catholic Church, is product of the last days of the Roman Constantine Empire, their adaptations and cover up to their paganism and rituals in adopting the word "Christianity" in making a religion.
In others words by you using "The Christians adopted it", you are generalizing all the Christians denominations of the world. Which I consider wrong doing.
The way I would rephrase would be "Then commerce adopted it"
I hope we understand my clarification.
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But as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
Either way, holidays these days are all regarded in the eye of the beholder (does it fit to say that?).
I for one celebrate it just for the sake of showing appreciation and because it can give people smiles. I do not think about St. Valentine at all, nor do I consider the day a homage to him.
And as for the reason why it's not celebrated in Saudi, the main reason is because they didn't want romantic events between men and women and we all know how they love segregation.
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Valentines day was starter to celebrate St. Valentine.
Excuse me if I omit some of the details but here it is in a nutshell.
The Romans decided that marriages would no longer be allowed. Valentine was a clerygyman that continued to marry people in secret. He died for his efforts to help people do the "right" thing....live as man and wife and not in sin.
Of course now it is just another commercial holiday. As Alexa mentioned earlier the majority of the people who celebrate don't have a clue what or how Valentine's day began or what it is really about.
I don't know where Qatarfalcon got his facts from but the basic reason that Muslims don't celebrate Valentines day is because it celebrates a Christian Saint. Saint Valentine was the total opposite of his description....he helped men and woman live in holy matrimony and not live in sin.
This is the reason that it was not allowed in Saudi Arabia when we lived there. I saw on the news today that they cannot even sell anything that is "red" in color on Valentines day. I know the florists where we lived (there was only one at the time) made a killing every Valentine's day. He doubled his price on roses.
As I mentioned to people before, this is not a RELIGIOUS holiday, so the rule in Islam doesn't apply to Valentines.
It was created by the Romans to celebrate appreciation.
The Christians adopted it!
When I celebrate Valentines or any other occassion, it's for the fun and not the worship.
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When one brother loves another for the sake
of Allah, swt, he should inform him of that by saying,
'Innee 'uhibbuka fee-laah.
"I love
you for the sake of Allah"
response should be,
'ahabbaka-lladhee 'ahbabtanee lah(u)
"May
the One for whose sake you love me love you."
Btw many christians dont belive in this festival of pagans
http://www.thercg.org/articles/ttbsvd.html
good saying
qatarfalcon, ............well explained . appreciate it. may it will open eyes of lots...........