as usual s_isale you miss the point completely. The captain has a duty of care to look out for the safety of his passengers, he failed to do that by jumping (or tripping) ship so fast.
So the captain was italian or maybe french or British but certainly not some pinoy or someone from the sub continent. Just wondering if they dont teach them safe working practices
How can he make final decisions if he's not there on the ship? As a frequent cruiser, I find this extremely worrying. He should've boarded the very last lifeboat.
What a lucky coincidence!!!, that he swooned right in to the waiting arms of a life boat, and luckier one that the lifeboat departed as soon as he fell in to it....without his communicating devices so could not hear the cries for help from his vessel!Even Bollywood cannot beat that!
In most cases, the army surrenders if the commander dies or flees from the battle field as the chain of command breaks at the top and things go haywire. In the same manner, a captain, who calls the shots on the ship has the moral responsibility to save as many lives as possible.
I don't know if a captain takes an oath of abiding by such a conduct code but morally he should not abandon the ship before he has saved as many as possible. Voilation of this code of conduct should be punishable to set a precedence.
The simple fact is that it is an unwritten rule that the Captain of an airliner, Ship etc are expected to stay till the end to supervise any emergency procedures.
I remember when Captain Kirk was the last to leave with Uhura after the main ship had to be ditched after an altercation with those damned klingons..
This captain not only left his post and his passengers to the mercy of the elements but went away from his normal route to show off his skills and god know what else. This guy put the safety and lives of his passengers and the safety of the boat in jeopardy and he should be held fully accountable for this avoidable disaster
I think he/she should stay as long as there is still something to be done to save the passengers, however I don't believe they should "go down with the ship" if they haven't gotten everyone off. Asking someone to commit suicide is a bit much.
He WILL be prosecuted for that along with a number of other charges including involuntary manslaughter. As a point of interest, the penalty for abandoning his ship carries a maximum jail sentence of 12 years ........of course that is "without prejudice". He has to be found guilty first.
I think it's a tradition but he should not be prosecuted for that. His crime is more of command responsibility for not following protocols and deviating from course that spelled the disaster and causing lives to be lost.
Avaya - I think that prosecutions and recriminations are the last thing on anyones mind when they are in the midst of a crisis - that comes later and the captain should show leadership by directing the crew with the passengers. How can he possibly do this if he has legged it to shore and apparently jumped in a cab and said to the driver, take me as far away from this mess as possible???
The Captain should be the first one to step into the rescue boat/s. If he doesn't do so, how will the shipping company or the owner of the ship make him responsible for the accident and put him behind the bars and escape from the insurance claims?
Is your colleague British? That is not the way we do it you know.
As for the captain. He refused the request of the coast guard to return to his ship and orchestrate the ships evacuation. He should never have left. The captain is supposed to command his crew, and assist his passengers. Not leg it and watch from the safety of shore. Especially when it looks like he is the one who caused the blooming disaster.
I've been watching the news also and its terrible that such a tragedy occurred. Bodies are still being found.
I too believe that he should be held responsible.. The reason I asked is that a colleague suggested that at times like this, it should be each person for themselves.
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precious. All Pilots and Captian go under thorough training for disaster recovery and crisis management.
In his place, I should have made all efforts to save as many life as possible.
As a last resort, when situation goes out of control then would have save own life.
hahaha classic @ Captain Lost
I better change my user name .. ASAP !!
as usual s_isale you miss the point completely. The captain has a duty of care to look out for the safety of his passengers, he failed to do that by jumping (or tripping) ship so fast.
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Yo dudes...how's it hangin'?
So the captain was italian or maybe french or British but certainly not some pinoy or someone from the sub continent. Just wondering if they dont teach them safe working practices
Snessy's a frequent Cruiser ?
That doesn't hold water :o)
Yo Snessy good to see you around again ;)
Post-mortem;
Ethically and morally its wrong / gross mis-conduct and punishable under criminal laws.
S_isale; A fireman shall NOT work with such attitude.
isnt his life precious?
The bad thing is, he was instructed to go back to the ship by the coastguard and he didn't comply. He really deserved to be prosecuted.
with that terrible occurance i don't think any barve captain can scape jail neglecting what decision he made.
How can he make final decisions if he's not there on the ship? As a frequent cruiser, I find this extremely worrying. He should've boarded the very last lifeboat.
are French or Italians? Lol!
Britexpat I am sure ze iz French!
What is interesting is the psychologists and experts coming on TV trying to justify his actions :O(
What is interesting is the psychologists and experts coming on TV trying to justify his actions :O(
One of the first to fall in the lifeboat? He was on land within an hour of the evacuation!
for him his life was precious :)
No seriously UK he actually claims he accidentally fell into a departing lifeboat.
What a lucky coincidence!!!, that he swooned right in to the waiting arms of a life boat, and luckier one that the lifeboat departed as soon as he fell in to it....without his communicating devices so could not hear the cries for help from his vessel!Even Bollywood cannot beat that!
lol timebandit..
Rumours also have it that he is a native Frenchman and was heard saying I give up.
On the news this morning; he claims he accidentally fell into a departing lifeboat.
ITS HIS OBLIGATION TO MAKE IT SURE THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS CLEAR.....THAT'S WHY HE'S THE HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE OF THE BOAT!!!
he's drunk! No news about it? Or maybe he run away with his GF?
In most cases, the army surrenders if the commander dies or flees from the battle field as the chain of command breaks at the top and things go haywire. In the same manner, a captain, who calls the shots on the ship has the moral responsibility to save as many lives as possible.
I don't know if a captain takes an oath of abiding by such a conduct code but morally he should not abandon the ship before he has saved as many as possible. Voilation of this code of conduct should be punishable to set a precedence.
Where do the gays and lesbians fit in then ?
brit, I think it is a written rule... can someone google it and let us know? I have no time, too busy..
The simple fact is that it is an unwritten rule that the Captain of an airliner, Ship etc are expected to stay till the end to supervise any emergency procedures.
I remember when Captain Kirk was the last to leave with Uhura after the main ship had to be ditched after an altercation with those damned klingons..
followed the Disaster recovery management policy of the company and should be charged if he is not compliant with the Company policy.
IMO, he should be charged for Putting the Life of passenger and crew in danger and runaway instead of guiding the passengers to safe place.
Normally the rats are the first to leave the sinking ship!
This captain not only left his post and his passengers to the mercy of the elements but went away from his normal route to show off his skills and god know what else. This guy put the safety and lives of his passengers and the safety of the boat in jeopardy and he should be held fully accountable for this avoidable disaster
to face the consequences of his mistake/s (which is still to be determined).
No, He had just stepped out to get more lifebuoys....
Otherwise technically a Captain should be the last one to ditch, that is the surety we have from a Captain and the reason for respect he enjoys!
Capt. Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger was the last one off the aircraft that he successfully ditched into the Hudson River a few years ago.
Mandi
I think he/she should stay as long as there is still something to be done to save the passengers, however I don't believe they should "go down with the ship" if they haven't gotten everyone off. Asking someone to commit suicide is a bit much.
He WILL be prosecuted for that along with a number of other charges including involuntary manslaughter. As a point of interest, the penalty for abandoning his ship carries a maximum jail sentence of 12 years ........of course that is "without prejudice". He has to be found guilty first.
I think it's a tradition but he should not be prosecuted for that. His crime is more of command responsibility for not following protocols and deviating from course that spelled the disaster and causing lives to be lost.
Avaya - I think that prosecutions and recriminations are the last thing on anyones mind when they are in the midst of a crisis - that comes later and the captain should show leadership by directing the crew with the passengers. How can he possibly do this if he has legged it to shore and apparently jumped in a cab and said to the driver, take me as far away from this mess as possible???
Yes and yes to these questions.
the captain leaves last in case of a ship mishap and the pilot of the plane exits first in an air crash
"So, my question - should he be prosecuted for abandoning the stricken ship ?"
Errrrrr... YES!
The Captain should be the first one to step into the rescue boat/s. If he doesn't do so, how will the shipping company or the owner of the ship make him responsible for the accident and put him behind the bars and escape from the insurance claims?
Is your colleague British? That is not the way we do it you know.
As for the captain. He refused the request of the coast guard to return to his ship and orchestrate the ships evacuation. He should never have left. The captain is supposed to command his crew, and assist his passengers. Not leg it and watch from the safety of shore. Especially when it looks like he is the one who caused the blooming disaster.
What a coward!
I've been watching the news also and its terrible that such a tragedy occurred. Bodies are still being found.
I too believe that he should be held responsible.. The reason I asked is that a colleague suggested that at times like this, it should be each person for themselves.
From what I have seen on the news, he is a reckless, show boating, coward. How the hell did this man become a captain?