Saudi prince kills aide at celeb hotel

UKEng,

The lack of focus on the victim, tells you the sad and enormous distant between its perceived "value" and the suspect's.

It’s almost the same as if His Highness, The Suspect has casually destroyed and object, part of the room’s decoration!

Ok can someone tell me some thing about the victim? He was a young aide travelling with the Saudi national referred as the Prince by the defence lawyer.

Now who was the poor soul who died? The Prince's aide or lover?

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I would like to clarify a few things:

First of all thank you Alumnar for seeing my intentions and for supporting me accordingly.

Second, Alumnar was correct, it is a relative of the Saudi Arabia's prince (son of a nephew) who is being accused of murdering his servant.

Third, Sugardady misunderstood Alumnar's comment, wrongly assuming that Alumnar was referring to the victim when she mentioned "relative of the Saudi Prince", when in fact she was referring (and correctly) to the suspect.

And finally, due to the fact that the suspect is a distant relative of the Saudi Prince, it appears that he does not qualify for diplomatic immunity:

"The suspect, who is a distant relative of a nephew of King Abdullah, does not qualify for diplomatic immunity."

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2586133#ixzz0g8iFSEcm

Also published in the Daily Mail and no longer available on their website but copied here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?55691-Saudi-prince-quizzed-over-murder-of-servant-who-slept-at-foot-of-master-s-bed

"The prince was arrested five hours later after questions were raised about his account of the incident, which was not witnessed by anyone.

Detectives have been granted more time to question the suspect. As a minor royal he does not qualify for diplomatic immunity."

britexpat said The simple fact is that "Diplomatic immunity" works for ALL.

If the same crime had been committed by a British diplomat in Saudi, He would also be protected."

- Precisely.

SD, so they've singed the Vienna Convention, have they? :P (j/k)

But then, "... we all know that the Saudi Arabia Goverment is not going to waive immunity for Saudi Prince.

So the Prince won't see the inside of the court room..."

But if KSA won't waive the DI, that means he will go through the due process, no?

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Beauty lies in the eyes of the beerholder.

... that is was a cousin of the Prince of Saudi who was arrested for questioning. Sorry for that, I must have misunderstood.

I heard about the 'no immunity' on Sky News yesterday, that's why I posted it.

"Don’t make anyone your priority while you're only their option"

The simple fact is that "Diplomatic immunity" works for ALL.

If the same crime had been committed by a British diplomat in Saudi, He would also be protected.

I personaly feel that D.I should not be applicable for murder, paedophilia or rape.

... for the relative of the Saudi Prince. This means if found not guilty he will walk free, if found guilty he will stand trial.

Snessi, you did nothing wrong. You posted a topic with news of the day. It is sad to see how people distort it and just go onto attacking and condemning anything they feel like. I was actually amazed this topic got as far as talking about Hitler - wow, great association with the main post!... but then nothing should surprise anybody on QL anymore. Instead of going onto defense posting and counterattack with totally irrational arguments, please try and reply to the TOPIC with constructive criticism, open minds, politeness and FACTS. Don't assume you are being attacked, read and try to understand posts PROPERLY (such as Nic's posts) and you will see that things are a lot easier that way.

sugardady

Being sensitive is not a good thing. Is it?

This a forum. It is open to everyone and to participate in any topic, one should LEARN to be tolerant. Above anything else we should accept that people are different and therefore they have different ideas and thinking on various issues.

What I think and say does not mean correct all the times!

Sorry guys, don't mean to hijack...let's get on with the subject.

I think the posting was clear, why so many things not associated with it was brought-out? Why not open another thread for such other accusations?

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"Why is my PM access blocked?"

Well.....definitely trying to communicate on different wavelengths here!

One thing just to add which is..... Most of the discussions and argument from people around here seem to have been discussed and resolves a long time ago in western societies, and hence the sensitivity and misunderstandings.

I hope I am not offending anyone here. I say that, as I know very well about both sides.

Who has pronounced him guilty.. Has the court given it's verdict???

Relax they won't hang him based on a thread in qatarliving.. And stop dragging America in every little thing, it's getting kind of boring.

The grocery store yesterday gave me a coke when I asked for Pepsi, I am sure American atrocities are to be blamed for it but I can't fit that in. can you help?

"Live with passion, Die with style"

u'll never make them to understand the real problem, no matter, how sincerely u tried.

we have an old proverb in Pashto, which we use for these kind of ppl, here i'll try to translate

"wat a buffalo knows about music" :P

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debate debate debate

Nic, you search for these assaults and murders only in the arabic region. There are bad people everywhere and there are good ones also. Rather than focusing on individual attacks, you should also open your eyes and see the injustice treatement towards the arabic and muslim world and the double-standards applied by american/europian policies.

Lebanese,

Here is some evidence to sustain my comment "typical behavior from this part of the world in the XXI century: masters abusing servants!":

"Human rights campaigners say the danger to maids in Lebanon is not so much political conflict but from abuse." see more here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7780556.stm

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiveDetails.aspx?ID=3275

http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=22715

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:6Q8B0Gq9IxQJ:www.opportunities.com.lb/lebanon/bhb/docs/Migrant%2520Women%2520Domestic%2520Workers%2520in%2520Lebanon.doc+abuse+domestic+helpers+lebanon&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=qa

I could go on and on and on, providing you examples from here, Qatar, UAE, Saudi, etc...

but its not necessary, you know exactly what I meant, but you asked for this!

john has forgot his glasses to put wear on his nose.

;)

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Lebanese,

How many times, I must repeat, I have nothing against Arabs. They are human beings just like any other ethnic group! Where on earth you get these ideas?!

As John said, quit your self-victimization crap!

John, please revise the comment by Nic on 17th at 11.17 AM and you will know who triggered this debate.

Nic,

Debating with a person like you seems useless. I don't know what did arabs do to you. Is there any thing personal? some arabic girl got you frustrated? ha?

Dot,

LOL... one more time just for you:

"It is not the first time that Saudi royals have been accused of mistreating their servants..."

Hyrcania,

Absolutely! To participate in a debate, we should all attempt to provide polite, rational and well substantiated arguments relevant to the topic under discussion.

lol.. brit...

..since it's sooo confusing thread, let me put my 2 cents in regarding "fake passports"..

.nah, it’s ok... i'll better drop it... no need to cause more confusion here...

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the point of generalizing and diverting the thread from its state.

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Dot,

That comment was the launching of this debate!

debate is what came after when 2 or more individuals engaged in an exchange of point of views ;)

Nic

I totally agree... I do really think that we should all learn to stick to the subject and try not to go off topic...

Time and time again some one makes a new subject, something which could be debated and argued (in a friendly way!) about, but somehow it just goes away!

This is quite noticable when a subject touches something / someone from this area!.

i've found lack of debating skills and valid arguments in ur first post Wed, 17/02/2010 - 11:05am.

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It is clear that Mossad used this incident not only to murder one of their double agents who was spying on the Prince's activities, but also fabricated evidence to frame the Prince ..

hyrcania,

For what I had come across, it's generally lack of debating skills or absence of valid arguments, mixed with a slight dosage of insecurity.

Why is any topic which is opened here related to someone from this area, always ends up wit US, Nato etc??!!

with beast.

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deepb,

thanks buddy, i was wondering if i was the only one to think that way ;)

I'm confused. How is Israel related to the Saudi Prince being arrested for murder? If that issue bothers someone so much, open another thread to discuss it. Wouldn't that be a more sensible approach?

I know! At the end, as you well said "he will fly to Riyadh using his private jet,.."

we may offer Arabic lessons for free , but for some people only ;)

Whatever..!! again such a waste of time...

Qaatari Gentel,

Sorry, but it appears to be a trend in people that hold a lot of power, a lot of money and little humanity in this region. Not meaning that all inhabitants are the same.

Here is (again) an extract of a newspaper article, to illustrate my sad conclusion:

The suspect, an international playboy, has been staying at the Landmark for three weeks, spending up to £100,000 on five rooms including a £1,000-a-night suite.

It is not the first time that Saudi royals have been accused of mistreating their servants.

Princess Hind al-Fassi and her husband, Turki ibn Abdel Aziz, brother to Saudi Arabia's late ruler, King Fahd, were accused by Egyptian and Filipino employees of mistreatment in 1998.

Several of their servants tried to escape a hotel, saying they had been treated as virtual prisoners. One broke his back when he fell from a rope made of knotted sheets.

The murder inquiry began after post-mortem results showed the 32-year-old victim died of neck and head injuries.

This contradicted claims by Saudi security sources stating the servant's death was caused by an ear injury sustained during a mugging.

But Saudi Arabian government sources last night insisted the prince had no involvement with the man's death. They claimed the servant died after an ear injury, despite post-mortem results revealing the victim was strangled.

'This young prince has nothing to do with the issue,' a security source said.

'Unfortunately, one of his private entourage was mugged in the street. He was cut on his ear, but doctors discharged him from hospital because they thought it was a superficial head wound.

'In fact the injury was very serious and he died later of an internal head injury.'

They were unable to explain how he also came to have been strangled.

Detectives were called to the eight-storey hotel after his body was found by a maid at 4.45pm on Monday.

The prince was arrested five hours later after questions were raised about his account of the incident, which was not witnessed by anyone.

Detectives have been granted more time to question the suspect. As a minor royal he does not qualify for diplomatic immunity.

The Saudi embassy refused to comment yesterday but a senior diplomat is believed to have visited the arrested man in his cell."

Read more: http://www.dailymail...

english is not ur first language, so u r not getting the meaning of this :P

oh, come on NIC, say again :-)

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this is your post "sad, but this is the Gulf!"....

Now whois attacking the whole nation ....!!!!!!

Dot.com,

I know my friend, you might be right and I may agree with you. But we can’t attack an entire nation for some politician’s bad decisions of few decades ago. This nation contains millions of innocent people that have nothing to do with the politicians’ decisions of a few decades ago or even the ones taken now.

on the other hand my friend, we were here discussing the murder of an innocent man, why, I repeat again, why do you need to divert the topic to Hitler, USA, Germany, Israel, etc.... why my friend, why you do it all the time?

I will say what I think about those issues in a relevant post.

These were not arabs, who brutally tortured/Killed/Putted in Prisons/made isolated JEWS from a free society in GERMANY and Europe, then why not they have a homeland in Europe or any other western country???

U did the same job, wat Hitler did, with a little difference.

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Dot,

it seems something crucial is missing in your understanding skills.

what happened to:

"We should never generalize. That's just totally wrong and unfair!"

can we summarize it

"We should not blame others for our own sin, we should not put our own burden on others shoulder, and if u are agreed, then u must condemned the entire EU and US, for throwing their illegal child (Israel) in the mid of arabs, which is the main cause of all these dispute"

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QatariGentel,

O_o

Influence my points on other people?!... LOL

Dot,

I do criticize individuals from other groups. You should have listened what I use to say about Bush or Israel government and many more when they cause pain and/or abuse people...

its just the topics of the forums do not covered them, otherwise I would be as vocal as I am here.

we should never generalize. just because someone is being critical about a canadian, its not right that i defend him just because he is a canadian.

my entire point here is, there is no need to divide the world between us and others. its just not that black and white! and i have never seen it so present all the time since i moved here!

I wonder what you are aiming for...everytime you refer to the misinterpretation as of nobody understands the Englsh language..

Your comments are so obvious and we can read what come between the lines....!!!

You are most welcome to comment, but you must be fair...otherwise never try to Influence your points on other people.

i never see u criticizing all groups except one.

any way, its ur job, carry on.

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Lebanese,

I understand that English is not your first language and therefore you might have misinterpreted, so go back and re read me again, you might realize that I don't hate any group. I might criticize individuals' for specific actions, but never an entire group. That's just totally wrong and unfair!

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Dot.com don't try to convince him my friend, because he is full of hatred towards a certain group of people and that's clear in all his comments.

Dot.com,

Again you are dividing the world in to 2 groups. Can't you see that is exactly the cause of tensions and wars?

Why cant you be partial and objective and debate the topic of this post as if it’s a human being accused of being a suspect of a murder?

Why do you have to take sides in accordance with his race or religion?

Why do you have to argument in a childish manner saying: "ah ah, they are accusing him because he is from this background and how about the other bad guys who kill and are from the other background, how come the QLers and the world are also not attacking them here?"

Is it too difficult for you to digest that most of us condemn both scenarios; it just happens that the post is about the Saudi prince, not about the bad bad boys Europeans and westerns who killed the poor guy in Dubai?

Come on man, the article of the paper couldn’t talk about both at the same time and here, just because I condemn what happened in Dubai, does not mean that I can not write my opinion here about this specific case.

What you still didn’t realize, is how poor debater you are when you are not able to stick to the topic and throw another one, in a childish manner, assuming that the world is divided between two groups.

It’s not like that my friend:

There are Arabs that support Israel, there are Israelis that support Palestine; there are Europeans who think like you, there are Muslims who think like me. the world is much more diverse and complex than the reductive model often used here, of dividing the world in to 2 groups!

Open you mind and try to see better, the world!

i do believe on equal treatment.

in case of saudi citizen, no one is supporting him for killing a person (even its not yet proved),

but don't u think that in Jan 2010, a Palestinian leader killed by 11 ppl, and all of them having European Passports (one german, one french, and remaining were scotish and british passports).

is this mean, that European are giving fully support and license to Israel, to kill these ppl???

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dot.com,

Why you keep saying "us"?

Are you part of the Saudi royals who attack their servants?

We are here discussing a specific issue! not US or NATO policies. You have no clue if my position towards those other topics matches yours.

Why are you bringing these issues here now?

Can’t you see that by doing that you are showing insecurity?

Don't ever assume that a specify citizen from a specific nation fully endorses their government's policies!

Come on man, you don’t need to divide the world that way; it’s just not like that.

Read again my 8:14 am comment above until you understand it.

They will always highlight the loop holes of us, but they will always cover their shits.

Nic

I never see ur initiative for condemning US & NATO forces for Killing innocent, and recently a couple of days befor nine (9) innocent ppl killed by US and British forces near to Helmand in Afghanistan???

why its not a leading story for newspapers?

why they don't have a space for them, in their news stories??

I've always observed u, that u r ready to jump, when it come a chance to bash a specific group.

Neither i've any good feeling for this man, nor i want to depend him, but i do believe on equal treatment.

Thats it.

PS: WK -- lately i find it.

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Whatever race or religion these people come from, they represent the nastiest side of human beings:

"The suspect, an international playboy, has been staying at the Landmark for three weeks, spending up to £100,000 on five rooms including a £1,000-a-night suite.

It is not the first time that Saudi royals have been accused of mistreating their servants.

Princess Hind al-Fassi and her husband, Turki ibn Abdel Aziz, brother to Saudi Arabia's late ruler, King Fahd, were accused by Egyptian and Filipino employees of mistreatment in 1998.

Several of their servants tried to escape a hotel, saying they had been treated as virtual prisoners. One broke his back when he fell from a rope made of knotted sheets.

The murder inquiry began after post-mortem results showed the 32-year-old victim died of neck and head injuries.

This contradicted claims by Saudi security sources stating the servant's death was caused by an ear injury sustained during a mugging.

But Saudi Arabian government sources last night insisted the prince had no involvement with the man's death. They claimed the servant died after an ear injury, despite post-mortem results revealing the victim was strangled.

'This young prince has nothing to do with the issue,' a security source said.

'Unfortunately, one of his private entourage was mugged in the street. He was cut on his ear, but doctors discharged him from hospital because they thought it was a superficial head wound.

'In fact the injury was very serious and he died later of an internal head injury.'

They were unable to explain how he also came to have been strangled.

Detectives were called to the eight-storey hotel after his body was found by a maid at 4.45pm on Monday.

The prince was arrested five hours later after questions were raised about his account of the incident, which was not witnessed by anyone.

Detectives have been granted more time to question the suspect. As a minor royal he does not qualify for diplomatic immunity.

The Saudi embassy refused to comment yesterday but a senior diplomat is believed to have visited the arrested man in his cell."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1251858/Saudi-prince-quizzed-murder-servant-CCTV-hitting-aide.html#ixzz0frVyhvU4

I never said he did! I was sharing a story with my fellow QLers :-)

*****If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all*****

"The episode is believed to have happened about three weeks ago, soon after the Saudi prince - son of a nephew of King Abdullah - and his entourage checked into the hotel."

dailymail.com

does it mean, that he did it???

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Dot.com I read the story in yesterday's edition of The Times.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

Certain people here can't resist showing their insecurity. Lacking of any valid, rational or even relevant argument, they throw the model of dividing the world into two groups, always implying that them, the good part are always the victims...

Until this mentality remains alive, the world will never achieve peace.

For god sake, can’t you guys see that in any group of human beings, there are always the goods and the bads? No group, whatever you may want to classify it, is all good or all bad.

Why defend blindly "my kind" or "you kind"? Why should one have the need to specify "kinds'?

Stop diverting the issue of this post into the usual and already predicatble "the poor us" and "the bad you".

Stop putting yourselves in the same boat as the suspect guy. Just because he holds a passport of your region it does not mean that he is guilty or that he is innocent and all of you are like him (either way).

We are here talking about an individual (he could have been Canadian, Chinese, Indian, Emirati, Sudanese, Japanese or whatever), it just happens that he is a crime suspect!

The story broke in the UK, I guess that's why it's in the English newspaper. The Sun is quite controversial and is willing to print stories early.

But I've just found this, hope it helps...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1251858/Saudi-prince-quizzed-murder-servant-CCTV-hitting-aide.html

*****If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all*****

by the way, till now, i didn't find that news in dailymail or any other more circulated news paper.

will u plz, help me???

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LUV u for ur last post

muaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah :P

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I don't think he's been charged yet, I believe he's only been accused for now. Also, I think you're all getting het up over nothing, it's got nothing to do with him being an Arab, but more to do with him being high profile. Anyone in the public eye is obviously going to column inches with a story like this.

*****If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all*****

Though it is not related to this thread but I will still answer you..

In the Middle-East Israel is being a pain in the a** of everyone. They can afford to do it because they are the adopted child of USA and none of the Arabic countries have the balls to stand up to USA. So the Arabs keep whining about it but don't do anything because everyone is scared of Uncle Sam.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

I dont mean to defend him or anyone, if Proven Guilty he should be PUNISHED but he should not be pronounced guilty before any trial.

People are quick to pronounce judgements and hatred as soon as they see an Arab involved.

World has seen with open eyes the atrocities/killing/torture done by Israel, America and the group but nothing was done but same world is very quick to bash the Arabs, even though nobody knows anything about the actual case.

So is that your defence king007 that since Israelis commit murder, he can too. Is that the "equality" you asking for... Good that you are not his lawyer.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

When an Arab national is involved he becomes Guilty without any Trial, or clarity of situation, but when its an American/Israeli etc, he is innocent even after the world sees the horror caused by them, amazing "equality" !

funny

when it came to a prince , he is guilty already..

but when group of killers get all the needed asistance and protection from so called free world .. its fake passports and nothing happens

isnt life with double standards colored with red, white and blue afterall.

lets wait for both cases and see what happens!

11 People, with Fake Passport???

wat the hell European are taking action against Israel, for these fake (i'm not sure) Passport???

Isn't it shows, their full support for Israel?

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Dot.Com you always hit the point.

one woman was killed and that a tragedy but what about whose dying every single day.

Nic, why dont you critize your government which supports wars killing innocent and also they close their eyes to "State Terrorism" practiced by Israel?

brit, i would also add smuggling to your list ...

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to kill those ppl, who raise their voice against their injustice and policies.

"11 agents with European passports" killed Mahmoud al-Mabhouh (Hamas commander).

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Nic you need to stop looking deeper into one dimensional statments.

There is always a complex hidden when we divide humanity into two any given groups ;)

Remember this, and avoid doing it, as it will always sound sour.

There is no inferior complex here. Just pointing out the obvious.

don't show your inferior complex, its totally unnecessary!

I'm with sugardady. Like you people say "Innocent till proven guilty". Or does that not apply to us Arab?

He should go for trial in Dubai and then they can find those who 'conspired' against him and receive an apology....

Kings can get away without punishments...we all remember the verdict of the UAE sheik ..he was innocent it was the drugs in his blood that did it..lol

but as this happened in UK....lets hope the trail will be fair and he will get the maximum punishment...

Or will he get away by bribing the family members of the victim with blood money...

Send him back and the Saudis can deal with him if they want..

Diplomatic immunity should be removed. It allows people to get away with murder. Avoid paying taxes. Not pay parking fines or be prosecuted for accidents.

The list is endless....

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he will fly to Riyadh using his private jet,..

whyteknight,

Ok, you are right.

My comment should have been:

"typical behavior from this part of the world in the XXI century: masters abusing servants!"

''Ask me NO questions, & I'll tell you NO lies :)''

he will receive the right treatment

If it was Gulf, he wouldn't have been arrested...

"Live with passion, Die with style"

whyteknight,

its not where it happened, its who did it, you get it now?

Happened in London, It is not the Gulf :P

"Live with passion, Die with style"

sad, but this is the Gulf!