RAF radar chief: I saw UFO fleet
Let's get on to a derious topic...
AN RAF expert yesterday revealed how he tracked a whole fleet of “spaceships” on military radar — but the Ministry of Defence told him to keep quiet.
Wing Commander Alan Turner, 64, said colleagues sat stunned when 35 super-fast vessels appeared on their screens.
Wing Cmdr Turner, who was a chief operator of the RAF’s radar system for 29 years, said the craft were equally spaced and shot from 3,000ft to 60,000ft at almost 300mph.
Incredibly, every few seconds one of the UFOs would suddenly vanish from radar and be replaced by an identical vessel moments later.
Wing Cmdr Turner said six military radars, plus operators at Heathrow, spotted the UFOs east of Salisbury Plain and filed reports on the unexplained phenomenon in 1971.
The RAF chief even drew a map charting their flight in between key sites like RAF Lyneham, Wilts, and the aircraft navigation transmitter at Brookmans Park, Herts.
Three days later, the Ministry of Defence visited the RAF and instructed staff to “never speak about the incident again”.
Wing Cmdr Turner, who retired from the RAF in 1995, said: “UFOs are a fact — I tracked them on military radar units.
“What I saw defied all logic and was, quite frankly, extraordinary.
“It wasn’t just me.
“More than 30 pairs of eyes of RAF staff and radar operators at Heathrow Airport witnessed the same thing.
“It’s arrogant to believe that we’re the only ones in this universe.”
The dad of three, of Shrewsbury, Shropshire, was a radar supervisor at the now disused RAF Sopley base, Dorset, in 1971.
Wing Cmdr Turner said: “I instantly knew this wasn’t a convoy of military planes.
“The only craft with that rate of climb were supersonic lightning aircraft but they wouldn’t have been able to hold such a perfect formation.
“They also make a lot of noise.
“No one heard a thing on the night in question.”
Wing Cmdr Turner, awarded an MBE in 1984, is guest speaker at the Close Encounters conference in Pontefract, West Yorks, next month.
Philip Mantle, of UFO Data magazine, said: “His testimony is remarkable.”
Lol. Heero.
Well if the Philadelphia Experiment worked, there must be a possibility of defying the laws of Physics...and possibly the government might've to do with some experiments. Well somebody broke the sound barrier...is there a possibility that they may also broke the light barrier?
And no matter how fascinated I am that UFO's came from other galaxies or planets, there's little posibility that they may have discovered us by now.
Again, in conclusion, UFO's are still UFO's - Unidentified Flying Objects
Now about the parallel universes, there's little possibility that there will be a conjoining hole that can pass through said universes...and black holes are not it. A mass entering a black hole is destroyed and becomes trash on the other side. black holes are associated with the death and a rebirth of a star. Mass crumples, star dies, black hole creates, passage on another location, new mass created, turns to a star. Just that.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
:D
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Granted.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
I believe in what you say, adey. What more do you want?
as he is a bit busy on mondays.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
I do, adey
It lives in a shoe box under the stairs but it will disappear if exposed to the light - so you can't see it I'm afraid - just take my word for it.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
ever caught one, adey??
Excellent knowledge.. Thanks..
One last question.. Last year, a couple of German scientists claimed that they made microwave photons travel "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms. Thus putting a small hole in Einstein's theory..
No alien visitations - but there are faries at the bottom of my garden!
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
clearbluesky, thanks for your friendly comment. If there is something you don't understand, don't worry. Even I don't understand it sometimes.
monymoe, nobody is trying to tell you something. UFOs exist for you, and that's fine. And if it makes you happy that they exist, it's even better. And you know, they were here thousands of years ago and "kick started" civilization. Actually we are just playing figures on their intergalactic chess board. Lol.
the only thing illogical is that some people still think its illogical for aliens to exist and travel long distances to come to Earth (and maybe other 'neighboring' planets). when dealing with UFOs, we are dealing with a complete unknown: we dont know who or what is in those crafts, we dont know why they are here or how they made here, we dont know how long have they been here and for how much longer do they plan to stay.
With all these questions, its just absolutly absurd that someone could say "well why would someone come 100 years to visit us". its baffling that there are people who use human / earthly standards to ask questions about something that is in herently non human and non earth based.
the fact of the matter is; these UFOs do exist, and there is something/someone inside of these crafts. What they want from us, how they made it here, and all these other questions are an entirely seperate set that needs to be answered independently from the foremost question which is: are we really alone in this universe". personally, i believe that we're not alone, regardless of whether there were UFOs or not.
Standing ovation for Magic Dragon....excellent logic.
The problem we usually face when we hear such news is that people tend to loose their sense of logic. Once we start thinking logically we get out of the darkness and into light.
The usual explanation is "they are comming here to study us"....but for them who travel faster than light and lighter than gravity...studing each person on the Planet earth would only take just a couple of hours.
So in effect the discussion of UFOs visiting us here & us talking about them are quite futile.
Dear brit, wormholes are a "mathematical" consequence of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. The idea is that a massive black hole "cuts" the space-time lines, so that they are open ended. Our universe (and its law of physics don't apply anymore, or should I say, we don't know what happens inside a black hole) is "open ended" leading into another "open ended" universe (white hole) which spews out all the energy the black hole accumulated on our side. The problem is that any entity entering a black hole will be dismantled of its physical structure and re-assembled on the other side into who knows what. That's the real problem. The destruction of matter in a black hole on one side makes it risky to try to go to the other side.
I am not into physics, but i bow to your knowledge. However, what about aspcets like wormholes.. Can't they be used for travel and shortening of distances ?
sure, brit, "more advanced" doesn't mean that they can turn over the laws of physics which obviously rule the universe. They might make a better usage of them but they can't escape them. The final limits (i.e. speed of light) also exist for them. Physicists call these the "fundamental constants". They are there because the universe is as it is because these "constants" are as they are.
I am not doubting the laws.. Even in Physics, there are theories and people don't always agree.. For example,Niels Bohr may disagree, but Everets ?Many Worlds" theory is also plausible..
As for travelling form other planets.. isn't it possible that theer may be "beings" who are more advanced than us?? After all, we're now considering seriously travel to Mars etc..
no idea, brit. Back to UFOs. People are dissatisfied with their current lives, they long to hear about some magic truth. And that is why these kind of stories are and always will be popular. It's only that the laws of physics speak against it. Now, you can doubt the laws. I don't. And that's when the point comes when our discussion becomes useless.
I can't beleive it.. How can the big boys screw it up so badly ??
brit, Torro rosso (Vettel) pole position.
The thing is you have to trust
Look in ISLAM ITS clearky mentioned in Quran that Allah has made people us from caly a sand which has theproperty of shinning & Jinns from Fire so neen not worry my dear the things are allready revealed onto US
i'd like to see something made of fire. so far the coolest thing i've seen is lava.
Everyone even the science is focusing about the life on different plantes, Y is really everyone so anxiety about all these things?
Scientist have made so many experiments that the have evolved with nothing but the only preliminary stage exists saying that we are exploring.
I can say three things about Life on earth & different planets
1. We need oxygen to Live but their exists some different body who dosent need this so they can fly & live any where
2. We are readily captured by fire but them they dont are made of fire
3. We nee food to live also water but they dont
Look how simple is it
Yeah, I'm gonna watch it now. It's raining, brit. Excuse me guys.
brit, even those parallel universes would have one thing different: that's the space-time lines. As Einstein postulated there are four dimensions, 3 for space and one for time. Nothing can share these coordinates, they are unique, and they are not connected between the universes. Our space-time continuum is our space-time continuum. Any other space-time continuum may have a different (parallel) history. Again, there is no way they can touch each other. They must obey their time-space lines.
If it rains, I'm going for Raikonen and Alonso in the top three..
aleem, you have to be more specific.
Shortly, before the F1 qualifying one more thought, brit. Force equals mass times acceleration. The momentum of a body is increasing with the applied force. If a mass has reached almost the speed of light its momentum (the tendency to keep speed and direction) approaches infinite. In order to accelerate the mass for the last tip to the speed of light an infinite force is required which, according to all calculations is not available in the whole universe. Therefore, no warp speed! (Besides, the spatial dimensions of the mass also shrink towards Zero).
But we're not talking about different physical laws are we?? We are theorizing on another dimension, where the Universes are "linked", but following different evolutanary tracts..
i know MD, i was referring to the attempts to hack the computers controlling the LHC yesterday. They were called the 'Greek Security Team'
http://www.itpro.co.uk/606150/cerns-lhc-network-hit-by-greek-hackers
Give me an answer of what you think of this universe evolvation & the planets>
corleone, in Geneva, Switzerland.
Dear brit, yes, some theories postulate the possibility of parallel universes based on probability of the quantum effects in the very early stages. However, a universe that has different physical laws than ours would not be able to make an actual contact with us. The elementary particles in those universes would have different properties which means that they could not exist in our well defined particle zoo. It is useless to speculate on entering a worm hole and appear in another universe. The protons there would have a different mass, or a different charge, or a different spin, or a different quark configuration. The electron would possibly have a positive electric charge. It would be impossible to materialize there. Or, no way to exist in anything other than our universe. And that's too big. And that's expanding. And when local galaxies tend to crash into each other in the future, that doesn't mean contact either, it will mean Armageddon.
There's been quite a few ex-military people coming forward saying this kind of thing recently.
well yeah, but they're all in Greece trying to hack into that Large Haldron Collider and create black holes
Come back.. I need help here..
MD: I am not an expert, but i recall reading a few years ago about a theory by Everett regarding parallel universes. These universes are all linked to our universe, but life and outcomes may be different..For instance, England may have won the last world cup..
Also, I think Quantum Physics delves into this also..
ANY Physics experts in QL here who can enlighten us ??
tipu, our Solar System is a nutshell. We are struggling to reach Mars. Pluto is a billion kilometers away. No chance to get there alive within the next thousand years. And now, after the Solar System, the universe begins. It expands 1 billion kilometers every single hour. You, I assume, have absolutely no comprehension of the real size and the distances. I don't blame you for that, please don't misunderstand.
Please MD ... its entirely logical .just look in to our own future how our world is evolving, We would also be sending missions if we have the technology to other Galaxies as we already have started in our own solar system, to look for suitable habitats.
so to look for others in the Universe is perfectly logical .
One who hasn't taken risks hasn't lived
Exiting. Swiftly.
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Good question, brit. But the physics "as we know it" is not the physics "as we know it". It is the only possible way to explain what we observe. If there was a different "physic" I reckon, we would not exist and have this conversation. (Anthropological Approach).
In other words, if "warp speed" and "parallel universes" existed,. then we would not exist, at least not in the way we do exist.
You are talking about physics as we know it..
What about the theories of parrallel universes or even the possibility of travelling at warp speed..
lol.. i guess the MoD found out someone had played a huge practical joke and wanted to hide their red faces.
OMG MagicDragon, what is it that you do???!!!!!
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Let's be logic, brit. The ultimate speed for objects that have mass is the speed of light (300 000 km/s). The closest star is Alpha Centauri (4.1 lightyears away). There haven't been any signs of planets found. The planets that have been discovered are 20 to 100 light years away. Suppose they could manage to travel at 90 % of the speed of light it would still take them 50 or hundred years to get here. Why would someone do this? Don't you think it's illogical?