Offensive Behaviour during Ramadan

How the heck i missed this thread?

The term 'white guy' is only racist selectively...

My question was simple, i do not want to go deep into the psycodynamics of the subject, just asked what would you suggest.

To me Muslims are mostly over reacting to situations and thus loosing

east or west My India is the best

MOD ?

i started off from the start and skipped the next page just to understand where this topic headed.

Ok.. while everybody is expressing their feelings let me speak what i felt.

The guy (white, black, orange.. i don't care) was indeed insensitive, not for any particular religion but as a human to another human. (Please look at humanity first before religion.. i know it's tough for some but without human there is no religion).

now the act of the Boss to rush for number plate to use it later to get the man arrested was also insensitive.. (so it seems the BOSS believe in tit for tat) Like a little boy running to complain momma that somebody bully him and took his candy.

now, i was bit suspicious about the word torture, torture the WHITE guy frequently said. i am sure he might had said something more than that unless he was in some kind of mission to say only 2 words.. torture.. torture.. are we getting unbiased, fully story here or censored cooked story??

no further comments unless we get the full story. meanwhile people will keep throwing trash on each other..

remember.. guns don't kill people.. it's people who kill people.

Grow up you twisted knot.

in my first post rajendre.

BTW, I have noticed that the Indian Muslims are the most worked up by this. They are the ones baying for blood. Wonder why that is? Any thoughts?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

dunt start fight now ..

Popcorngirl is banned...

She can't go home... you think they want her there?

and went on a destructive rampage after the Danish cartons were published. Some don't know how to effectively handle any situation that challenges their beliefs.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Popcorn girl - go home... if you think that you are the one doing all the work here cause no one else can be arsed to then you dont need to be here !!!! you know as well as everyone else that you came here for the better pay, the no taxes, the maid that you would never be able to afford at home, the school feels that your company probably pays and all the other perks...

If you dont like the country or the religion or where you are do us all a favour and GO ...... am sure no one will miss you....

When you live in a Muslim country - like it or not - yes you heard - you follow their rules and the way they live.. you dont come and try to live your style in their space !!!!

everyone portrays Muslims who have spoken out about this episode have all be portrayed as people who want this guy deported

that is just not true... I for one am very sure that he will get a firm bit of advise and that will be the end of the matter...

People are over playing the 'deportation' part to insinuate that Muslims want him deported... to the best of my knowledge, no one has said so in this thread

This is just a method to 'extremesize' the Muslim point of view

people have opined that if this is his attitude, he needs to catch the next flight out on his own accord...

People like him who can't stand anything Muslim but just shut up and bear it just so they can rake in the moolah are cesspits of Anti Muslim sentiment

Well said Amnesia

I've heard people say that when it's Athan time. They say it's annoying.

I'm sorry but if you're in Qatar and choose to be here, then you take the country as a whole, you can't choose bits and peices.

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"Psychoactives: we can find them in all societies, we must respect faiths where ever we are

neither in east nor in the west my India is the best

That is why I said, "no matter what faith you are" (that goes for that guy as well) one should have tolerance. Practise it for a day at a time and everything will be better.

until now? it's not because of people who raise issues and serve as advocates of truth, but it's because of people who do not want to raise issues and remain in their comfort zone doing nothing but for themselves.

if you have read the whole thread, you will see the real purpose of this post. it is to provide a breeding ground for the possible consequences of the rude behaviour if it happens that the recipient of such did not exhibit tolerance.

let it serve as a reminder on how at all times, we should learn to respect.

as for your insinuation on increase and overtime pay, no I am not paid for this and my boss is not the one responsible in determining my annual increase as based on my contract. your comment and question only shows what kind of mentality you have when it comes to work ethics.

I think tolerance should come from his side too, many christians claim Muslims should turn the other cheek and love your enemy, a concept preached in Christianity not Islam yet we don't see Christian soldiers around the world turning the other cheek and loving Mujahideen. Bigotry and hypocrisy.

What are you trying to do right now? Ur issue again will raise discussion on religion. Shit happens sometimes, you cannot please everybody. Did your boss knew that you raised this subject here in QL? if yes then you have a guaranteed increase next year. Stop mentioning about how you were brought up as a Roman Catholic and how you loved muslim brothers and sisters, everybody needs peace we all knew that, did you ever think that maybe the reason your boss got offended is because there are people all around the both of you that time? No wonder our country Philippines still has a political problem after all this years, it's because of people raising issues like you! If I were you, just go back to your work and let your boss do the things she wants to do. Mind me asking, are you gettin' an overtime pay or extra pay once your boss read your "so called" issue? There's a lot of things to do lady!

"It's time to free your mind, it's time to cleanse your soul...."

Torture, torture, this guy should not be living in Muslim land.Let him pack his bags and go.He knows when he came here he signed up to live in Muslim land and in Ramadhan specifically,Muslims get closer to God and recite the quran more. He is just interested in the tax free dollars and the big house and swimming pool he has here. I as a muslim in non muslim land was forced to recite Hail Mary's everyday inprimary school although they knew very well I and many of the students were not Catholics, let alone christians. He is lucky I was not around in that place.Although some are trying to play it down by saying it is ramadhan the muslims should forgive,no one insults our quran and our religion and gets away with it ramadhan or not. If he finds the Quran torture he is free to leave and go.

There is no obligation in religion, the truth and falsehood are distinctly clear.

The guy that repeatededly stated that the Quran recital was torture, was being rude and thoughtless. But all of you who think he needs to be tracked down and punished, need to take 1 big spoonful of harden the f*** up. Welcome to the real world where not everyone likes you and your beliefs. You can try and dob in everyone who does not fit into the narrow standards that you consider acceptable, or you can widen your standards and try and practice that often forgotten aspect of many religions, called tolerance.

read the post fully even after the cashier told him its quran receitation

he continued saying torture..

so what u about him

But I have to agree with Exiled. What the guy said might've been assinine and rude, but if he didn't honestly know that what he was hearing was the Quran being recited, then how can you accuse him of breaking the law and disrespecting the Quran?

He doesn't have to think it's music to his ears; he's not a Muslim (and even Muslims are allowed to have opinions about what does and doesn't sound nice to them!).

Quite frankly, I've heard beautiful Quranic recitations and I've heard others that sound like sheep bleeting. I guess when you actually understand what is being said it makes a difference, but to the untrained (estern) ear, many times it is not so melodious and lovely.

I almost made a suggestion to Q-tel directory assistance because the music they play on their English line to customers waiting is Arabic...and whatever it is, to me it's like nails on a chalkboard. I'd rather wait in complete silence or just listen to some boring instrumental elevator music than the stuff they have on there now.

Now, if this guy had said something along the lines of "Islam sucks", I would agree that this is against the law in Qatar (although personally I think people should have freedom of expression).

But just because he didn't like the sound of the music in the store and said so? C'mon people...is that really something that the police need to be called for?

"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."

-- Maya Angelou

Whatever faith you may be from, the key word is "tolerance". If we can all work hard on tolerance we will enable ourselves to not let these kind of things offend us and thus act in the way we do. Live your life well and by treating people the way you would like to be treated. I'm sure, this life will be easier and less stressful and more productive.

gica contra said for u r 1 comment ,yes i m racist because i m cant tolerate any body disgrading quran

2 comment idiot is wrong it should be all arabs and muslims are idiot other wise what is happening in iraq , afghanistan.... would have not happened

on this earth

Sultu.....you're a racist...an idiot one...

your boss should have banged him and made a police complain working/being a slave in a muslim country and for quran saying torture i m surprised how u r boss accepted this ..1 st thing in my mind is to kick that b****** and throw him out of qatar.(and more over for u r information these white guys working in gulf are from slums of uk and europe they are illitrates and there views are very narrow)

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Every morning for 7 years even it is not ramadan I'm hearing the reading of qur'an here at work it's like a music to my ears already.Just IGNORE other people's bad behavior.

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Don't do to others if you don't want them to do the same back,,

You come here in Islam Country not the Islam country come to you,,

Correct!! get out in this country and go back from where you belong if you feel you are tortured in hearing the Holy Qouran,,

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The authenticity of the story is still in doubt for at least after looking at some of these respondent posting. But by the way the generalisation of white guy and torture are profilic behaviour to some.

Nah, don't worry, shellyjean, some of the folks here on QL are a lot more gung-ho about this sort of thing than you will find the Qatari authorities to be.

Mandi

dat guy said its torture and left, topic posted on QL yalla khalaas read the post and move on.

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different values and lifestyle than here in the US. I would respect that. However: Can rudeness and insensitivity really be a reason to be deported? I know about pork and alcohol and adultery, but I didn't know that just being a jerk was just cause for deportation. Can someone clarify?

Wow! I heard something about a heap of panties!

Where...Where?

wow everyone's panties are in a knot. Calm down kiddies and stick to the topic.

shameful death

when they are in search of accommodation. I always advise

them to stay away from Masjid's cos prayer call is disturbing. Everyone can select their peaceful environment

Still they choose residential area with masjid then grumbling begins

I am really running out of patience... maybe something needs to be done about this... what is your opinion?

not a day transpires without a reference to a huck or air supply or malpasos... strange though that you are the only one who has this problem... there are so many other people who post on QL but its always you who ends up attracting the wrong kinds of people... I wonder whyyyyy....

Its not just the offenders, there's also the other practising muslims who absolutely detest you... Me, Eco Savvy, Raison etc... isn't that strange? Why is that so? Hmmmm...

Anyway, go scurry along to the mods... show no Ramadhan mercy there... Ramadhan mercy is reserved for 'white guys' who think having to listen to the Quran is 'torture' and say so publicly... show no mercy to Muslims who stick to their faith and defend it...

Wallahu sarihul hisab

OK.

Mandi

Since you are the one who is so interested in legalities you MUST dig it up and examine it for yourself...

"take care though... you still have lotsa online fans.."

I really cannot understand why the mods allow you to stalk me, attack everything I write and even threaten me. But I will be pointing this thread out to them (just as you went and complained because I wouldn't call you by your new nickname).

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Eco-savvy, they don't, I assure you. Or if they do I (and most Westerners) find it so vague as to be incomprehensible. I'm afraid I'm so stupid and literal that you must define for me what is "respectable" dress. Up to the chin and down to the wrists and ankles? I'm OK with that as long as it is enforced consistently and I haven't seen that yet in Qatar. I certainly have every intention of respecting the Qu'ran. In fact, I read it in Arabic. But I don't know the do's and don't's of when and even whether or not I can physically pick one up. I come from a legal system that is detailed down to the smallest print possible. AND one that presumes innocence. Isn't that why we are here on QL? To learn adn teach each other these things?

Mandi

they were so great you ended up deleting all your comments... yep that makes perfect sense... take care though... you still have lotsa online fans... if you go or get summoned a second time, I think they may not act so leniently... maybe if we are lucky, the MODs would then decide they've just had enuff of you and ban you... You are the biggest troll on QL of all time...

Again, you MUST define for me improper behavior and show me the penal code that pertains to that specific act. Then I will decide. But I warn you, if it is a "victimless crime" I may not! (Shocking, but true, I try to err on the side of believing that I might be in error rather than the person I'm judging.) Remind me to tell you the story of the Oreos sometime.

Mandi

and his desire for retribution against some "white guy" -- lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

which contains do's and donts"

Mandi I cant go to Brazil and complain about Samba

bcos I am muslim

You are letting your imagination run wild ver. And I repeat it was not a "tryst". I guess you don't have much respect for the work they do.

What you have written here is just more evidence of how you will twist ANYTHING if it serves your purpose to attack someone you don't like.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

So does that mean that would not report any kind of improper behavior to the Police?

Good Lord, veris, if I reported all the unacceptable behavior I saw in Doha each day I wouldn't even have time to go to the bathroom! And I'm kind of a stickler for trying to discern the difference between custom, law and behavior. And I think it's really important to acknowlege societal differences and just plain ignorance. I guess I'm more of an educator by nature than an enforcer.

Mandi

you took a man to task for something he did online... and you are preaching that a man who behaves inappropriately in public should be treated differently... No... doesn't sound fair to me...

this thread is torture..

This being Qatar... and the local custom being that the Quran needs to be respected, would you agree that what this man displayed was acceptable behavior?

You're getting all worked up and ugly for nothing.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

No, veris, I would teach my children to know the consequences of their actions and to understand that there are unforseeable and unintended ramifications that may be out of their control. Then they are free to make an informed and ethical decision. You ARE morally culpable if you have failed to consider even the unintended consequences of your actions. This is Christian theology. This is why in the US we hold a person responsible for homicide if he hits someone while driving drunk. He may not have intended to hit the victim, he may deplore the fact that the person dies, but his decision to drive while intoxicated negates any claims to "no premeditation."

Mandi

I explained an issue that you brought out on the open forum targeting me in a thread (which is against the Forum guidelines anyway). It was not a "tryst" and there were no 100s of threads about any problems with the police. I was pleased with the CID response.

So if the lie fits....

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

some people preach that those people should have forgiven the white dude for his awful attitude because its ramadan. there very own comments here on QL are anything but forgiving and oh, its still ramadan. what a shame.

as I have also said, the most significant thing that came out from that incident is the spirit of tolerance. In spite of the offence, forgiveness prevailed.

Just to highlight again, I posted the incident here so that others may have insights and learn something from it preventing any untoward incident or consequences from happening.

and QLing at the same time :-)

That is an unfair statement... why are THEY morally responsible?... he is responsible for his actions...

By reporting the incident, they are being good law abiding members of the society...

If someone commits a wrong act and you report it to the law, that makes you morally responsible...

Honestly Mandi, is that what you would teach your kids?

If they tell you someone they know is selling pot, to hush and just let it be...

It's also a shock that I am still up late! I slept for a while and woke up with comments still going on and on. But this is good, you know. It keeps my spirit alive hearing views from left and right. Amidst the plethora of ideas, we choose the best and most sound opinion and we identify the force behind human nature.

It's good to be alive!

What has gotten into you? Are you going to pray with that lying mouth?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

In fact, they have always been great when I had to have any dealings with them. I have no idea what you are referring to but please don't slander me by saying I have had trouble with the police and "got chided for it" and references to "carnage". And most importantly for your own sake don't lie, ver.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Virgo, just understand that if you or your boss turn this guy in you are morally responsible for what happens to him. I'd think very carefully before I made such a decision. To later say, "But I didn't know what would happen," is indefensible at that point.

Mandi

my boss apologised to him and explained what was being played and for what reason. She is in the position to do that. However, in spite of the apology and the explanation, the offending words were repeatedly uttered by the guy as he was walking away louder and clearer than when he first blurted it out.

Suffice to say, that moment has been a defining moment for my boss. As for me, it has also defined how I value respect as a moral obligation.

of (online)behaviors during RAMADAN...right here on QL. ;P

Ya'Allah, you do have delusions of grandeur.

I'm off this thread before you start boasting about how you will turn me into the police for not defending Muslims on QL per your specifications. lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I thought she would stop doing that during Ramadhan... no chance...

PM where there in the time of Moses(pbuh)

I knew your "good behavior" wouldn't last for the month. :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I know the people I would be talking to and I have some influence on how events might transpire... However, if the guy continues to be a jerk on the phone... well... hard luck...

It sure seems like it with that last sentence about "elaborating more" on a subject you only know about because I shared it is a private message. What a fool I was to trust you.... :-(

GOOD NIGHT.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Veris, I don't know how you can be so sure that the police will exactly follow your desired scenario. It is my observation that they would be just as happy to let non-violent, non-criminal differences just be but they will push it if they are pushed and that outcome is not predictable. Wouldn't the wiser course have been to politely but firmly tell the crass idiot that he was over the line? Worked for me when I told that to the guy who was smoking in public last week. So if virgo missed an opportunity to be educational, well, there are times when we all wish we could turn back the clock and say something just right. There is a saying in the Bible, "Vengeance is mine," says the Lord. Or one of my favorite scenes from "All in the Family" when Archie Bunker gets backed into a corner by Meathead and has to yell to Edith, "Edith, get in here and help me defend God." It was funny because we all know that God doesn't need defending from or by idiots like Archie.

Mandi

Regarding the plate number, it is not my call. Though I also have it with me, my Boss will be the one to decide on that. I believe that the best thing that came out from that incident is the spirit of tolerance. Though the initial reaction of my boss was to get the plate number from the security person on detail, she was able to calm herself afterwards.

Let it just be known through this forum that such incident occurred so that others may learn something from it.

to read and think?

Seriously, you need a hobby. lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

just ignore PM's comment... she takes exception to you saying he was a 'white guy'... but did you read all that stuff PCG had to say to me and Indians in general... seriously... its nothing to do with racism... don't worry about it... she just needs something to pick on... just ignore her...

you should consider passing on the car number either to me or Sugar Qtr... they won't put the guy behind bars of deport him for this... but they'll probably call him up and summon him to the police station and ask him to tender an explanation and an apology... which is just as well... he needs to understand, respect and appreciate the culture of the land

generalization is the rule of the day , what can we do about it? we cant change the way other people think.:-)

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

I think that is a cop-out offered to you by others. Perhaps more introspection is called for Virgo. Think of it this way, if a "white wo/man" said a "brown guy" or an "Asian guy" we would have had a massive uproar about being racist. But the reality is that many of you think it's fine to be racist regarding "white" folks.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

there's nothing wrong in saying he was a white guy...

that's just desperate people trying to find just any fault in what you said...

it was not my intention to generalise about westerners...it's the term that came foremost to my mind as a graphic description of the guy who approached us. like i said in my previous posts, i had to stick with the facts in order to present a truthful depiction of what happened.

i guess, if I did not use that term in the first place, it will still eventually come up because in one way or another there will be questions about his nationality...it would have been most inappropriate if I point out a particular country of origin based on his accent. actually, picking up on his accent, as I happen to have an ear for accents, i could identify what his nationality is, but I prefer not to divulge it here.

we, filipinos have also been generalised most of the time in spite of the fact that mostly there are good ones whose image is affected by those who are somehow off track. hence, it is never my intention to generalise because i know the feeling of being the recipient of discrimination.

you actually generalised this topic on 'white guys'. its all about one bad apple who should not be taken as a verdict for the whole group.

talking about 'white guys' , i broke my fast this week by iftar party hosted by a 'white westerner' along with other westerners. its good to be bond by human love than religion.

iam just hoping that you dint mean to point at all the westerners.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

aah, my PM is open now.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

its difficult to get passionate about something you don't really believe in... good night...

LOL popcorngirl , more power to you!!!

Mine is not nor is anybody's house that I know. What I see is just more anger and hate trying to call Muslims to come put out YOUR fire that you think some Western non-Muslim set, when all you have to do is turn the flame off your gas stove. And yes, I agree, there is something wrong with that ....

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

dude... you don't accept PMs... Kerala by the way :-)

Bangalore... 7 years... BEAUTIFUL...

like I said... couldn't care less about what you have to say... your bias is as clear as day... loud and clear... your prayers for me are appreciated... but do take some other time aside to just reflect your priorities... when the house is on fire, you don't water the lawn... and if you do... then there's something wrong...

No thank more than yous veris...... you know what you are. A person that likes to cause trouble and be contary. Good luck with that.

I pray that God judges you accordingly.

thank you...

what a pity?

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

PCG, taunting verisimilitude is not very becoming behavior, either.

Mandi

examples of incidents in plenty.....!

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

apart from your low self esteem and lack of real education.

You have many problems.

Tell me, when are you going to actually admit you are not a Muslim?

Perhaps when you admit that and then come back on QL as somebody else (again) you may actually gain respect (just a thought) X

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The path to true happiness is paved with gin and tonics :-))))))

and I am not even angry or upset with you as you are so clearly with me. I notice that this is always your last line of defense when you really can't defend yourself: question my knowledge and faith because I do not support another Muslim QLer when I don't agree with them. It's really pretty pathetic and just makes me feel even sorrier for you.

You live in a world that MUST be divided into an US and THEM, in order for you to keep feeling important and continue the ride on the gravy train. I don't. Simple as that.

But I will pray for you, brother.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

There is no defence against liars...that includes you.

I suspect you are Indian.

Hence why 'the empty vessel makes the loudest noise'.

PM anytime you like, give me your number, and I will meet you with my Qatari friend and we can this discuss this again.

I am not afraid are you?

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I really don't care for what you think... where you come from and your 'friends' are more important to you than your faith... so save me your piece on showing best of Islam... Shame on you, here you PCG mouthing obscenities one after the other and you are preaching to me... Do some soul searching... decide what you really care for... think twice the next time you teach faith to another Muslim whether you know what you are talking about...

loooooool, playing racist card PCG, you really are an odd person. Your right though, sleep is much better than reading your rambles here. You need serious help, maybe your "imaginery Qatari friend who like you" can help.lol

Enforcing respect of anything makes you a Nazi!

Great pic btw, those were the good old days....

You can only enforce behavior. They will learn respect when they are shown the best of Islam by good Muslims.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Enforcing the respect of Quran on people makes this country 'Nazi'...

lol....pissing myself here at the thought the only thing you can come back with is following the herd and saying I am pissed lol.

How that suits your racist narrow mind!

Oh go to bed idiot!

By the way, I drink, eat and smoke all I want at work.

My Qatari boss likes me and respects the fact I am not Muslim!

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The path to true happiness is paved with gin and tonics :-))))))

You are welcome to join me... we can go to any police station and check what they have to say about it... this is an Islamic country if you haven't noticed... public disrespect of the Quran is not accepted...

just noticed you are British ES...

yes he challenged and yes he whipped you guys to shape LOL

Royal British Imperial Empire ROFL

By verisimilitude at 2009-08-30

Wait a minute, what law did this guy break? I mean, he's a total idiot, bigot and boob but if we went around arresting people for THAT this planet would be a lonely place. I really don't think Qatar is Nazi Germany and we are not the Gestapo. Qatar (with the possible exception of a few of its residents) is a very tolerant place. At least I haven't run into the "thought police" yet. And I hope I never do.

Mandi

kicked out of Qatar. I've seen your "subtle" threats to Adey, Gypsy and even experienced it myself. Why do you think you have such a hatred for Westerners? Is it because you feel they get more respect than you?

May I suggest you check out this link:

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/691970

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

He is still a terroist even if I can not spell his name in sanskrit. He challenged the govt of the day and that is unacceptable.

ramble on...

gtf

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The path to true happiness is paved with gin and tonics :-))))))

Ouch PGC so bitter and obviously drunk!! Lets hope shes not because when she graces her employer

with her presence(who mind you will just die if she leaves them), she wont be able to drink coffee or water all day to hydrate herself. Happy Ramadan PGC

Never had a PM from you, only recieved PM's about you. Big difference 'dear'.

Hmmmmmmmmmm drunk? Are you sure about that?

Is that Slander?

I am sure you will let me know; after all you are the big cheese on here lol. (How I jest).

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I don't care for what a man who can't even spell Gandhi's name properly thinks of him... I just attribute it to your obvious ignorance...

That is what need's to be done... this matter needs to be reported

Qatar does not need people who think listening to Quran is torture or wailing and neither does it need people who think Adhaan is wailing or caterwauls

all we could do is wonder...

Don't worry veris I waste my time with you a lot of the time.

I'm glad you agree Ghandi was a terrorist and he got what he deserved.

Its called common sense... how long does it take to figure out that its something religious... and if he is not smart enuff to know that then he's at fault... If I were at the shop... that man would have been confronted while at the shop and also would have had himself reported

What if a nonAmerican guy were to go to a Toy shop in the US and then start calling all ladies who walk through the gate wearing miniskirts 'strippers'

People like these are a menace to society... reminds me of the man in Germany who called the Egyptian lady 'Terrorist' and when she took him to court... he stabbed her 18 times to death... a lady who was one month pregnant.. stabbed to death in front of her three year old and the authorities just looked on... oh no.. they didn't look on... they actually shot her husband who too got stabbed by the assailant...

the "white guy" had some negative energy boiling in him, he passed that on to virgo825 and his/her companions and now he/she has passed that on here.

very simple!!

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

you, check out the Gold Souq...there are many pendants there of the crucifix and the Blessed Virgin Mary...

they are displayed openly in almost all shops... :)

I pray that God may heal the bitterness in your heart and open your eyes to the truth that we are no better than any human being...we are all mere specks of dust before the greatness of God...but we, after all, are brothers and sisters under one Fatherhood of God no matter what name we call Him.

There is only one universal truth, and that is the presence of a Supreme Being. Along with this truth is the recognition that we are all created and should learn to respect, love and forgive each other because in each of us is the seed of our Creator.

May we keep on learning and re-learning to transcend our human frailties and let goodness prevail.

Hi everyone, if I was virgo, I would have made sure he got his torture right there and right then. Disrespecting yourself is one thing, but disrespecting my religion, and my country in my country would never be tolerated. If you can't call authorities and report him, pass on the plate number and I will. I'll make sure he regrets ever coming into Qatar.

Nas min7a6a - Galeeleen a9il ou tarBeeya. If he even had a religion to follow!

~*Speak when you are angry and you will make the best speech you will ever regret*~

FYI... Gandhi broke the law willingly and submitted himself to go to jail to demonstrate the unfairness of the law... he didn't crouch behind some bush and beg for forgiveness because the law is unreasonable

ES... you don't even know what you are talkin bout okay...

You say words don't hurt... would you allow some stranger access to your children to tell them words?

Lots of people think marijuana is not illegal... should those people be allowed to smoke pot and we hide their offense?

Think it through ES... my discussing this with you is wasting my time...

and the music/chant was giving him a headache that's why he was saying it was 'torture'?

OR, it must be his FIRST TIME in an ARAB/MUSLIM country and this is his FIRST TIME to experience RAMADAN? And maybe he's been hearing it for days now that it's driving him crazy?

who knows???

She's in a foul mood...

had a swipe at your husband and my wife...

and some insane rumbling about my siblings :-/

and nasty PMs too... LOL... hmmmm...

PCG... paste em pls...

I would L O V E to see them :-)

Lets see what fabrication you come up with

Or are you too drunk to come up with something meaningful?

..but yes you do sometimes have to do that veris, especially when the law is unfair or unjust. How do you think the law gets changed against the bigots or the dictators?

Like the woman in Sudan who made a stand about wearing trousers. Now we all know that is nonesense but she was threatened with lashes and jail for her 'crime' but since she stood up to be counted now all has changed....

The same could be said about Ghandhi the terrorist. He broke the law and should have killed....

don't get angry girl , it is only bla bla talk , and it will end if you turn off your laptop .

don't raise the adrenaline ratio , it hurts .

really , and think in peace and remove the negative energy around you

you are an idiot remove yourself

By most on QL (AS I QUOTE WHAT I HEAR)

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you can talk against the law all you want, but as long as it is in practice... you have to respect the law and be willing to take the punishment... You can't mess up and then say No, No, No... I 'think' what I did is not wrong... According to 'ME', this is not an offense... regardless of what you may think of a law... you respect it...

yes she does and thanks for asking.

leelah check google love!

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No I disagree, if I can I should help them see that meaningless persecution is not the way to go. I claim to be not a special person but I know that words cannot hurt me. Say whatever you like and I can take it and hopefully I can teach those around me the same.

most welcome steve , but don't worry that doesn't change my feeling about Christianity

Christians are the nearest people to muslims and just like brothers as it is mentioned in Quran

and for that "guy" he will say the same thing if he heard the "the church bell" or the jews prayer .

so he doesn't mean anything to me , he only have mental problems

No I disagree, if I can I should help them see that meaningless persecution is not the way to go. I claim to be not a special person but I know that words cannot hurt me. Say whatever you like and I can take it and hopefully I can teach those around me the same.

If you think its stupid, then you shouldn't live in a country that does no tolerate this kind of uncouth behavior... but now that you are here... you are bound to respect the repercussions if you choose to wag your tongue unwisely...

I just hope that you did not parade around harping being a Catholic and that you have to be accepted here wearing a cross when the words you are using by themselves are offensive and judgmental...

This thread was written to relay an incident not to stir anything up but to serve as reminder that we need to respect the norms and faith of the society we are in.

You know, wearing a cross around our necks, holding a rosary, having church bells chime is not the true essence of being a Catholic. I shouldn't be the one telling you this if you are too passionate about being a Catholic. But forgive me for saying this, I am shamed by your claim of religion and your choice of words.

It makes me doubt if you are indeed a Catholic in word and in deed. Goodness of a person comes and radiates from within. God bless your soul.

yep, to pocorngirl

"WHY would I keep the Ramadam spirit when I am not Muslim?"

loooooooool , everybody is replaying to you for one comment

i think you have been punished more than that "guy"

hehehe,

but any "ramadan spirit" is the same as "chrismas spirit"

so if i live in UK , i shpuld have also the christmas spirit even i am not christian .

all of these spirits call for good life and corporation between man and his borther .

please tell me if i am right or wrong

Yes I do veris, if we are so scared by what people can say then we might as well give up. Were the stupid pictures of prophet mohammed worth all those peoples death around the world? No I don't think so.

Words can be ignored but to arrest people for saying things is just stupid.

its true the church bells are not banned in UK.we listen to it on sunday and at odd hours of the day but its our choice to live here,so we respect it.

I can not believe some one in this day and age has time to say such silly stuff.you don't like the place and its culture then LEAVE.I'm prety sure Qatar and Qatari people will survive without you and your services.

I have just spoken to a Qatari friend of mine.

I sent her this whole conversation by copy and paste.

She thinks it is bullshit (her words not mine).

I agree with her, this was an idiot trying to stir stuff and rather like a lot on here try and score points with the locals

As she pointed out...there is no word for torture in Arabic....so they either ( the Arab) did not understand the word torture or they were educated enough to know to ignore it!

Either way, this thread was bullshit!

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I'll leave you to it. I made my point and prefer to err -- if that is the case -- on the side of forgiveness.

Enjoy the mud. :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

ExiledSaint...

"Do we want to live in a society when people get arrested for words"

What are you talkin about man?... sit back and think it through before you say something okay... you saying people should just be free to say anything and everything they please in public regardless of other people's sensibilities?

PM is more concerned that Virgo's boss cared to take down the number of the person... and the fact that Virgo mentioned that he was a white man (corrected typo)... hmmmm... none of the comments above bothered you PM did they?

thank you one-shot

:-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Its suprising that all these indecent words are used this ramadan and thats shows how genuine you people are about your religion. The objections raised is a straight opinion and the response should be in a more respective and constructive manner. Problems cannot be solved by the barrel of a gun.

you can trash me as much as you like with your rabid lies PCG... you can say all the trash you want about me... not a child here will believe you...

you are obviously drunk like a skunk...

You have gone on and on on several forums about how this country needs you and blah blah...

Why can't you just go back home? Why do you have to bear all this?

And even worse, why do the rest of us have to bear you?

All this stuff you strut online with the anonymity of the internet, why not hold that on a banner in front of the Capital Police Station...

Tell THEM that the Quran while you are shopping is 'WAILING' to you... you will be doing all of us a favor...

And PM... you can be with her to explain to the cops that they should keep with the Ramadhan spirit...

Have you ever considerd your type/writing/words and your racist rants are totally aagainst Islam and against any society your brilliant education may have paid off.

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but tonight "she" seems to be "he"! :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Veris Virog never mentioned that her boss was Qatari only Muslim and what does that have to do with anything? Do we want to live in a society when people get arrested for words no matter how offesnive they are? I for one do not.

If the story is true and we have no evidence then the person is an insensitive idiot. Nothing more than that.

If you believe different then we can go back to my early posts and start killing people

If you don't want to consider Ramadan as a month of forgiveness for transgressions that is your choice. If it's just another month to act on your resentment and hostility towards anyone who you feel has disrespected you, then so be it.

But please don't try to start a fight with me because you are itching for one. I will not roll in the mud with you.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

at vermin......he has to be admired.

He is Indian by his own admission, took advantage of cheap education over here by his own admission but left his siblings in India.

Then comes on QL to curry favour.

lol good one Vermin

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Muslim or Nonmuslim... this is totally unacceptable behavior in a Muslim country regardless of Ramadhan or no Ramadhan... PERIOD

to steve

see this link

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=3.0.3658182698

I never say you right or wrong, but at this very moment I live next door to Durham Cathedral, and the cathedral bell is ring by the hour even at 3am IN THE MORNING.

And i been living with father in law in a small place before in Sedgefield, same case with the village church as well.

that was precisely the point why as I was writing the post, I have used the exact term to define him.

I write facts and have to stay with the facts for clear depiction of the situation.

That is so touching. Bilal's story is so inspiring to me.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Vermin and your point is?

WHY would I keep the Ramadam spirit when I am not Muslim?

By the way.......................you may want to look at your spirit as it looks very rusty to me.

You make out you are religious but, seeing some of the PM's you send out...well; all I can say, is god help your wife ;-))))))))))))

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You do not have to apologize to ANYONE

There is NOTHING wrong in what you have written

If your boss decides to report this matter to the police, she is entirely right to do so

This country has LAWS and people are supposed to LIVE BY THEM

Just bcos its different in the west is not an excuse to act rudely...

If that man is complained about and reported to the police, he will face the repercussions as he SHOULD for breaking the law

I think you did the right thing Virgo by writing this here

The fact that you are nonmuslim or Muslim should not take away from the fact that this was an inappropriate manner to behave in Qatar in public...

So we can't really force the Ramadan spirit on them, can we? But indeed it would be nice if everyone would think more before posting.

I choose to rise above it.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM LOL , you got it all figured out ;)

"I am a Christian, but I respect deeply all religions especially Islam. Even back home in the Philippines, when my uncle and I were both in public service we supported the Muslim community in our city in all its business endeavours and goodwill."

hmm

I will then have to live with what I wrote. :) I write straight from my head and never have the use for drafts. If I appear to have some issues, then it is part and parcel of my flaws as a human being. I accept my lack of judgment in using that term.

There is no way to stop that :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Stevethetyke said, "In Saudi, one of the compounds I lived in was surrounded by 4 mosques with speakers that would put a Who concert to shame. When they started up their pre-dawn caterwaul... Man that was torture in the first degree!"

PCG said, "it is torture. So is having to fast like they do in public."

PCG said, "This is about the VAST majority who are NOT Muslim having to suffer wailing when trying to shop as well as being hungry and thirsty when we are NOT Muslim."

I suppose PCG... the wailing you are referring to while shopping is the probably the recital of the Quran...

PCG said, "I think you you are a shit stirring bastard and this never happened. This is made up."

Yeah PM..and did you hear of the story when Bilal called for prayer some years after the Prophet's death when he couldn't go past the first two lines! That's very touching! :(

go to google love....type in Church bells.

Then advanced search.

Type 'banned'.

Then come back and say I am wrong.

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Or does the expression "full of awesome" run in your family? :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

HER NEW LIFE, SHE CAME WITH MULTIPLE IDS

I'm telling you the more people we kill the more they will be judged by God and the more room will be left for the rest of us on Earth......

Peace to all, but I really wish the people here didn't go reporting everyone to the police at the smallest thing. Ohh... her clothes are too small, call the police quick, ohhh than man said something bad about religion, call the police, oohh that person looked at me in a funny way that might have meant something sexual with badgers... quick call the police....

more tolerance please... none of these acts hurt you even if they are disrespectful. Just ignore the idiots.

popcorngirl you are full of awsome , go back where you came from , we don't like your attitude , you just here to cause trouble with your none sense you EMO

It really does seem like you have some racist issues, whether you realize it or whether they are subconscious. :-(

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

popcorngirl? have you been to england? church bell have been banned ? Are you sure? who told you that?

I now live in a flat that just overlook Durham Cathedral, the bell every Sunday ringing from 8am to to 10am NON STOP!

And that Cathedral Bell also on every the hour.

Let's leave the talk of red hot pokers and beating people up for the day time when we are fasting and can blame it on our low blood sugar. :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

but that's the term that first came into my mind because indeed he is that...

if that seems to be stirring up, then I will edit my post and use the generic word "expat" instead.

thanks for pointing that one out.

regarding your question about "ingratiating myself to Muslims", no that was never the intention. i am accepted as I am and I need not do any stunt to ingratiate myself with any group or anybody.

You have your point PCG. At time you find these guys talking nonsense about christianity without been penalised. For instance, the last time "That Jesus is a muslim". Just how are you going to tolerate that. However on the other notions, we will have to keep our temper to save our heads.

you meant to offend, however, you did not.

I am working here SO ARE I think 75% or more. You are not educated enough or have the ethic to work.

Do you get it? WE are here as you lot can't be arsed or do not have the educational standards to build your country.

So................................. what makes you think we then want to by force, be expected to follow your religion when all around we see hypocricy?

Oh by the way 'dear' I may not earn the same as I do back home......but I earn more than you 'dear'. x

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I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

lol exiledsaint, Maybe in the initial desperation they may have killed him but then later when cooled off would have done the right thing and not report him to police.

" Pele good, Maradona better, George BEST"

Yeah PM only white people are racist. The double standards on QL! Why couldn't the story been told without reference to skin colour..... I'm shocked by my racist brothers from the Philipines...

stevethetyke I think you should get to feel that red hot poker and then see if you'll still compare it to the adhan.

i think she(your boss) should raise a case against him

because if you think a while :

1- maybe you find people hate islam

2- maybe you will find people who hate muslims

3- but in this case he was aiming to insult islam by repeating torture in public , and he knows Muslims are very sensitive about their religion

and the same thing if i found somebody who is insulting Christianity or Judaism , i will drag him by myself to the police station

But only since he was a "white guy"! :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

You're making things (or rather just the term 'respect') complicated and illogical. It's not even a state law offense.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Replace the words white guy with black guy or asian and you would have got a totally different response.....

however he should have been killed. You should have beaten him to death in your shop and then called the police to clean the mess up.

That scene when Bilal goes up on the roof to make the adhan for the first time always makes me cry. It's SOOOOOOO beautiful!

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

One-shot. How did the Italians "Prevent" the muslim workers from fasting?

the he was a "white guy"? Isn't that just another way to stir things up and try to ingratiate yourself to Muslims, when in actuality most Muslims seem to be more forgiving? I'm really proud of my Muslim brothers and sisters that we didn't get sucked into a rant against misguided "white guys". :-)))

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

BOYCOTT RELIGIOUS THREADS!

Maybe he would get the message if he heard it enough :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Popcorngirl..

You said: Why are we here?

YOU are here because of someone's bad judgment! I cannot imagine you being paid like ..err..smart expats :) No offense meant though!

Alexa..

I agree with you that callers to prayer should be well selected so we can enjoy the call to prayer. Unfortunately they're not chosen like singers are, even though similar principles should be applied. At least this is what the Prophet did when he chose Bilal to call for prayer based on his beautiful voice..

to popcorngirl

do you know that in italy this year , they prevent labor muslims to fast in ramadan?

do you know that scarf is obligatory in islam and they are preventing it in europe

respecting the others is not an option , it is a moral obligatory

have we sent anybody to jail? No one had. The man is freely driving around Doha. I was relating the event as it happened truthfully.

Mentioning that my boss got the plate number from the security is part of the whole situation. Nevertheless, it was done out of desperation and initial reaction.

Even saints get mad but what makes them more saintly is how they get over the momentary anger and control emotions that would have resulted to chaos.

I hope that you take into consideration what happened in its entirety and find for yourself, that inspite of the shocking and disappointing moment, goodness still prevails.

did I say I did not like what I do?

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to popcorngirl

if you search , you will find that islam respect Christianity much more than any other religion , and building a church in Doha is great thing

and now they are preparing the road for the church , because they found traffic jam their ,

put this in your consideration

and a lot of Muslims salute Christians of all their events (me for example )

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if you didn't see that doesn't mean it doesn't exist

C'mon girl, get a life! I'm catholic also and I learn about "turning the other chick"...Just say a prayer to save the soul of the "white man" sinner...If the guy will end up in jail, your catholic conscience will be satisfied?

Why would I? This happened yesterday morning and there were other people around us when this thing happened.

I am a Catholic also, just like you, but I could never use the accusing and heavy words you just wrote in an open forum more so when I would like to have my faith and religious practices accepted in this country.

Please be mindful of your words.

popcorngirl you fail!!!LOL

Go back home where you came from you EMO!!!

Go cry a river!

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SHE IS SWEARING SHE SHOULD BE OUT OF QL NOW

"Instead of US bowing to them, they need to know, without us and therefore other religions, they would not have their wealth."

Firstly, I would agree that Virgo is stirring it.

Secondly, what the hell are you doing living in a place you don't like ? Life is too short. Enjoy yourself..

Where have I said bowing in my posts?

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Especially in the way you had to stress it was a "white guy" who did this. Why was that an important detail. I'm sorry but you come off as a bit moralizing and vindictive. I suspect you thought you would be praised by Muslims on QL (and you may be by some) but this Muslim is trying to keep a more forgiving tone during the Holy month.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I am confused. are you actually in Qatar and putting up with all this ??

If your boss really went after that guy to get his plate no. then she has got some serious issues.

" Pele good, Maradona better, George BEST"

How could you fault my boss, a Muslim and who religiously practices her faith? She was offended and during that moment, her initial reaction was to get any identity of the man because she felt helpless during that situation.

But like I said, she got it from the security in case she files a complaint. Until this day, she hasn't. That was her initial reaction.

The intention of this post is to bring to light an offensive behaviour and the possible consequence of such.

She should be able to educate and forgive, without turning this into a way to get back at someone who insulted her faith.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

We have a new morality policewoman: virgo825...

virgo825......"Putting it simply, when you are welcomed as a visitor in a stranger's house, do you throw your weight around? Do you openly express your views that totally contradict with your host's even when you see him or her totally offended?" .....Lets put it another way shall we . A stranger invites you into his house and then shoves a red hot poker into your ear. Do you say "thank you" or "Ouch"

They are the guest so therefore I look after them.

I do cook and have cooked food I would not normally cook for other people.

I have delayed dinners for Muslims who are fasting.

Simply put if somebody comes into my space I accomodate them.

Never have I fed a Jew/Muslim Pork or alcohol....yet on the other hand as a Catholic I have had to hear jokes about Catholics/Pope jokes/supporting the IRA...to name but few jokes. All from Muslims!

So please forgive me if I am reluctant to join in with the PC brigade who say I should embrace this.

It is about time they embraced us more, as after all we are the ones doing the work.

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and had I been around when this happened I would have explained to the man why the Quran is played and then if he would have continued I would explain that I am forgiving his transgression since as a Muslim I am commanded to represent the best of Islam, especially during Ramadan :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

and get someone arrested and possibly deported, virgo? Is your boss Qatari? Was she personally insulted? Did you think of reminding her that Ramadan is a time of forgiveness since you seem to be well informed about the culture?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I respect your views but I have to admit that there is one word you used that rankles on.. "Bowing"

Respecting Ramadan is not bowing in the context of a MASTER-SLAVE situation.

Admit it or not, even if we say that Qatar needs expats, we have the right to choose and decide whether we should come here or not.

Coming all the way here from our home countries entails embracing the culture and assimilating ourselves in the society.

Putting it simply, when you are welcomed as a visitor in a stranger's house, do you throw your weight around? Do you openly express your views that totally contradict with your host's even when you see him or her totally offended?

I believe that being a Catholic, you also have the sensitivity to deal with such situation in a respectful manner and with decency.

@ Alexa, are you married to a Muslim or are you just trying to curry favour with your QL Mates?

I know in both Melbourne and England, church bells have been banned so NOT to offend other religions, most of them Muslim. So don't come with this BS.

This is not about churches ringing their bells for a wedding or a funeral or on Sunday. This is about the VAST majority who are NOT Muslim having to suffer wailing when trying to shop as well as being hungry and thirsty when we are NOT Muslim.

They cope when abroad so why not here?

In order to gain respect you have to show IT and gain it.

When I can buy Pork, walk around with a cross, see a church on every corner, practice my religion without harm and talk about my Faith, without being ostricised then I will think..............this is ok.

WHEN and if my religion is accepted and my lifestyle ACCEPTED then I will put up with all of this.

Until then they have a long way to convince me that hearing this wailing is acceptable to the majority.

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rather than try to get someone arrested. Had you or your boss wanted to discuss this reasonably with him, I would say more power to you. But taking a plate number to file a complaint, knowing he is likely to be arrested and deported, makes me think none of you really know what Ramadan is about.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Thats very provocative things to say. I believe that supermarkets have a close circuit camera for analysing his identity if need be. Of course he will need counselling.

noise pollution controls should be put in place. i'm writing a letter to the government to complain.

Some people need beatings Period.

A person who had stayed in the Middle East for years will get used to any of the recitals or minaret prayers in every corner and will not bother saying 'negative' aspects to them anymore like it's the ordinary.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

it is torture. So is having to fast like they do in public.

When they move abroad they fast/cope with others eating around them and not having prayers at volume.

Yes it could be argued we are guests in their country.

However, why are we here.....because they could not/want to build this country.......so perhaps they need to lighten up a bit and respect the people that are doing the work for them. Instead of US bowing to them, they need to know, without us and therefore other religions, they would not have their wealth.

I do respect their religion but do they respect ours?

I don't hear of many Muslims giving up something for the 40 days of Lent.

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Poor man! I know what he feels like. In Saudi, one of the compounds I lived in was surrounded by 4 mosques with speakers that would put a Who concert to shame. When they started up their pre-dawn caterwaul... Man that was torture in the first degree!