Naughty, Naughty
As I have said before the Russians are not your friends.....Don't support those or applaud them who are against American interests because these people are not your friends.
As the saying goes, better the devil you know...
The terrorist may have been a Muslim who killed those people but the Russians wanted to make extra sure the Russian people knew how was to blame and what better way to do that than show a picture of her wearing the 'evil' hijab.....
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Altered Images: How activists cried foul over 'suicide bomber' photo
Altered Images Questioning whether cameras never lie
Hours after six people died in a bus suicide bombing, pictures of a passport - showing the suspect wearing a headscarf - were aired on Russian TV. But they were soon called into question.
The first page of Naida Asiyalova's passport had been published via a National Anti-Terrorism Committee Twitter account, recalls twice-weekly paper Novaya Gazeta. It says that initially no-one picked up on the fact that, under Russian law, it's forbidden to be photographed for documents in a hijab and simply reported that it had been found at the blast scene. "Only individual bloggers began to wax indignant," it reports, noting that Asiyalova would not have been able to board a long-distance bus to get from her home in Dagestan to the scene of Monday's blast, in Volvograd, with that photo in her passport.
Soon afterwards, pictures of another passport began circulating. It was damaged but had the same details, except that this time Asiyalova's head was uncovered. Opposition activist Roman Dobrokhotov was among the first to suggest this might have been the real one. Political website Slon asked why security forces felt the need to publish "such a strange fake". Eventually, even state-controlled Russian Channel One TV suggested the hijab in the earlier-released version had "been glued on top of another photograph". Another activist, the former World Chess Champion Garry Kasparov, tweeted to complain that "no officials or media will be grilled about the fake's release".
Russia's main investigative agency later said it hadn't released the first picture, according to AP news agency. It quoted state-controlled NTV as reporting that the picture with the hijab was a scan of Asiyalova's passport, taken from a dossier held by security agencies, and that a photo of Asiyalova in a headscarf had been placed over it by a security agent.
You could never ever get rid of GOD's concept in your heart. It would keep on exist in your heart either as "YES" or "NO" , as simple as that.. Hence atheism in life is possible but atheism in heart is not. :)
Yes..I said you will laugh today. :) there are things within our reach.. there are things which are invisible but we can sense..there are things out of our reach. As simple as that. You need wisdom to understand that..don't say you want to touch WISDOM to know what WISDOM is like. :)
LLR says "It is so childish to ask 100% evidence"
Did you work for George Bush when he was stating Iraq had WMDs?
You guys make me laugh, you ask for hard evidence that Syria used chemical weapons, you mock the US over Iraq over WMDs but when it comes to your beliefs you say that you don't need any evidence. Please make up your minds.
Not only your parents.. :) don't generalise.. You don't have to believe in 6000 GODs.. it is making you more childish.. it is kinda same like you don't want to wear any clothes because there are millions of designs.. same like scientific theories.. every subject has a past, with hundreds and thousands of theories.. religions were mentioning that there are invisible forces from ages.. science and people like you were laughing until we had some developments in science.. so today you might not agree with religion but you will die as a believer. :) or live a life believing on something. It is so childish to ask 100% evidence.. it is kinda same like you want to 100% know your results before attempting any test or examination.
Again for the record I do not hate any religous people, I believe in freedom of choice and freedom from oppression. Jsut because I believe your beliefs are ridicolous does not mean I hate you, it just means I do not agree in what you believe.
lol thelonius
Mast my parents taught me nothing in regards to having to believe one religion or another. They taught me there are different religions out there and people in different parts of the world believe different things. They also taught me that some people out their reject all idealogies of which there has been many since the dawn of written human history. (about 6000 gods, dieties and various supreme beings if you are interested)
So I believe my parents are good, rather than brainwash me into one particular belief using hell as my punishment if I did not believe, (something catholics and muslims share in common) they allowed me to make my own choice.
If you are calling it atheism it is your choice. by the way to be precise newborn know ONLY to cry "thats it"
EAT??? not way.. newborns don't eat..
Chillax guyz, we dont need to discuss anyones parents here !
Keep It Clean !
If someone talks bad about anyone, Mods shall take appropriate action accordingly....we dont need to argue here.
Cheerz.
(Visit my Emporium, we can hav a group chitchat with Chai ! :)
Rip were your parents were athiest and did they teach you athiesm...............?
Guys don't waste ur time...This guy will keep hating u regardless of stands and will simply avoid questions he cant answer...after all he thinks calling someone diseased is not hateful
and the Saga continues....
I am not going off the topic.. I have answered to your off-the-topic comment in this thread. Yes..figure is much higher than what is mentioned but for an argument sake even if we take those figures it dissolves your claim that parents are responsible for anyone to choose what to believe in.
Fubar you raise some good points, if Russia can keep their muslim agitators fighting in Syria and elsewhere it reducing the problem they have at home. The Russians don't care how many Syrians or Iraqis die as long as the result is peace within Russia and allows them to crush descent.
The last thing they want is US military action to tip the scales in favour of the rebels as then the war will finish quickly as it did in Libya and then the sunni muslim extremists will be looking for their next war. That war could be in the caucus taking on the russians. Look at what happen to Chenyna, the place was destroyed.
LLR we are getting a bit off topic here but no child has a concept of atheism in the same way they have no concept of God until they are taught that.
I would also say there are far more than 2.4 million muslims in America, that figure is far too low.
I would say it is exaggeration to tell every child born as atheist as atheism in heart is impossible. The concept of GOD will exist in hearts regardless of your knowledge/surrounding/parental advice.
Part of an article
"A researcher at the University of Wales Trinity Saint David, calculated that around 5,200 Britons turn to Islam every year, and that the total number of converts is about 100,000. In America calculating conversion rates is even harder. The census does not ask about religion and few mosques keep registers of their members, so even the total number of American Muslims is uncertain, let alone that of converts. In 2007 the Pew Research Centre estimated that there were around 2.4m American Muslims; in 2000 President Bill Clinton made reference to a figure of 6m. Pew reckons that just under a quarter are converts."
We least bother about the enemies live outside our body.. The biggest enemy of all us lives inside us.. our own "nafs" ( evil side) and desires which makes us egoistic, impatient, dishonest, liar, namesaking moron etc.. hence for the same reason even in battles we don't forget the enemy living inside us..
However RIP.. thank you for letting us know about Russia but we least bother about enemies living outside our body.
I guess this is why Russia is so happy to see the conflict and killing in Syria rage on for yeas to come - the Al Qaeda linked Chechen separatist terrorists are away fighting in Syria and giving Putin some peace and quiet. The sooner the Syria conflict ends, the sooner these guys will return to Russia and begin fighting against him again.
The USA is now getting entwined in all this anti-Muslim hysteria too now:
President Vladimir Putin is turning to Barack Obama for help protecting the costliest Winter Games ever from attacks by Islamic extremists, including hundreds of battle-hardened jihadists now fighting in Syria.
About 400 Russian nationals, mainly from the North Caucasus, are currently battling President Bashar al-Assad’s forces in Syria and their return poses a “big threat,” according to Sergei Smirnov, deputy director of the Federal Security Service, or FSB, the main successor to the Soviet KGB.
“Many of our compatriots are fighting on the side of al-Qaeda in Syria,” Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak, who’s in charge of preparations for the Feb. 7-23 event, said in an interview in Moscow on Oct. 21. “We understand this is a global threat and we can only prevent it through joint efforts.”
As Russia prepares to seal off Sochi, a Black Sea resort of 345,000 people, it’s reaching out to the U.S. and about 80 other nations for help identifying potential threats from abroad, Alexei Lavrishchev, a senior FSB official, said Oct. 2.
At the top of the list are the Russian militants in Syria, whose numbers may be triple what the FSB is saying publicly, according to the Russian Institute of Strategic Studies in Moscow, which expects a third of those fighters to return home.
“Their experience and exposure to al-Qaeda groups represent a real danger,” Elena Suponina, who runs the institutes’s Middle East and Central Asia Center, said by phone. “The Russian security services are very worried about this.”
Read more here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-24/obama-joins-putin-war-as-syria-jihadists-stalk-olympics.html
Calling others "dieseased" is not hateful...hmmmm gotcha...hehehe
Do not HATE of course is the word that should be there.
For the record I do not have religious people, you do not blame the patient for his disease.
Buwahahahahahahahaha
Everyone sees others through the eyes of his habits...I guess hating all religions and all religious ppl is not hatered....ROFL
Fubar it could be even worse in Russia, if you are a homosexual muslim then you are a double target in today's Russia.
It makes me laugh that a number of people on here have the standard position of being anti-American as they think they are anti-muslim. In fact Amercia's stupid actions in places like Iraq have benefited the muslims, as the various muslims sects have killed and driven out non-muslims especially christains in the region. Iraq used to have thriving Jewish and Christain communities but no more, those that have not been killed have been leaving in large numbers.
We are now witnessing the same in Syria as the minority religions are being decimated.
So as the point I made the real enemy of Muslism, (apart from themselves) is Russia and China, who both have large scale persecution programs but who cares about them when you can still believe the lie about the evil west....
I must agree with SC on his statement....
If ur biased once, ur biaced always.
The hatred from some of you and your blind faith in what you believe, does not allow you to see the good in others or even consider their points of view.
I feel myself lucky that I am not poisoned by blind hatred for any man or woman on this planet, I just wish some of you could say the same.
I must agree with SC on his statement....
If ur biased once, ur biaced always.
The hatred from some of you and your blind faith in what you believe, does not allow you to see the good in others or even consider their points of view.
I feel myself lucky that I am not poisoned by blind hatred for any man or woman on this planet, I just wish some of you could say the same.
Nationalism is as a big threat to this world as is the extereme form of any religion...
All I can say Fatimah is that if I was a Russian Muslim right now, I would be very, very scared of Putin.
Let's never forget that Putin came to power in 1999, right after directing a war against Muslims in power in the Chechnya region of the North Caucasus when he was prime minister. He's targeted Muslims for political success before, and he'll do it again.
Some choice quotes:
"Some political forces use Islam, the radical currents within it ... to weaken our state and create conflicts on Russian soil that can be managed from abroad," Putin told Muslim clerics meeting in Ufa, Bashkortostan's capital, in southern Russia.
"We must fight back hard against extremists who, under the banners of radicalism, nationalism and separatism, are trying to split our society,”
Would agree with you MM bhai we should not forget the past that hatred always pays it price
Now, nothing is left to comment ................... after Super Cool 's verdict .............
Mast , Only a few remember TCOM's idea ................
SC, You did the justice ................ ......................... ............ Mon. 28.10.2013, 08.13 hrs .
@ Fubar....you mean we should try to look for good wisdom in this post from this poster!!???
That's like saying let's go hug a shark!!!!
We have a saying in Arabic...it roughly translates "Don't throw rocks in dirty water lest it splatters on you"...there are certain people that u just don't wanna get advice from, much less wisdom. If ur biased once, ur biaced always. If ur hateful once, ur hateful always.
A big hello to you too. Yes that statement is again extremely inflammatory to say the least, both towards those who already harbor hate and doubt towards Muslims and the terrorists as well. Sadly the ones to suffer the dire consequences of such speeches will be the average peace loving Muslim civilians of Russia who have no role to play in this all but will be tarred with the same brush nonetheless.
Hi Fatimah, long time no see. It's quite worrying, when the Saudis are saying things like this to Russia. We can only imagine what is going to happen in the coming months.
”As an example, I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi on the Black Sea next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us, and they will not move in the Syrian territory’s direction without coordinating with us. These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role or influence in Syria’s political future.”
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_08_29/Bandar-Bush-threatens-President-Putin-with-Sochi-terrorist-attack-2596/
Fubar.. God forbid. Yes the future for Muslims in Russia is looking very bleak and may God have mercy on them and protect them from further oppression and mistreatment.
A truly calculating and downright wicked move by those involved in the doctoring of the image, that obviously was a step to stir up as much hatred and discrimination against all the Muslims of the land, as though they don't have it badly already no thanks to these terrorists and their committing vile acts proclaiming it to be a part of their faith. Very sad indeed..
I would agree with your old thread title Tcofee '' Let the barking dogs bark alone''
Coming from one of the three wise monkeys I am sure he takes that as a compliment.
The hatred for rip is so intense that even when he post some thing positive and good, they fail to grasp its meaning.
ROFL fubar is working as a part time secretary for Rip......................:)
The Russians have already done a pretty good job of persecuting muslims in the causcaus. They have a problem with them for two reasons.
1. They do not fit Russian society as a quiet religion
2. They tend to be political and Russia does not want muslims stirring up unrest
Russia is just getting the public onboard with the idea of cracking down on Muslims. We are sure to see a lot of government led attacks on mosques and Islamic groups in the leadup to the Winter Olympics.
Thank you fubar for explaining to them.
I think it is disgusting the offical state media in Russia deliberately prayed on fear of muslims but forging a passport picture of the alleged mastermind.
P.S. Boxe we are all born atheists, it is only later through parental and societal indoctrination that we become religious and the funny thing is you are always the same religion as your parents at the start. Strange that.
Rip, you were being too hopeful that people on this thread would actually read and understand your post.
Let's try instead to boil it down to a single sentence so that certain people actually get your point:
The Russian media is trying to shock readers by falsify the image of the suicide bomber to show her wearing the hijab, to make the point that they feel women who cover their hair are evil mass murderers.
Click here to see the pics:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24671688
Ohhh dear me! Here we go again round the mulberry bush,
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when your parents have brainwashed you from an early age...RIPPY....but iam not an atheist...i believe in god...so iam definitely not brain washed...no parents can brain wash his kids...a person himself gets brain washed or by his own weird thinking or weird choice
Don't understand your comment boxe, are you saying this is a fact a true story and the picture is actually real? I find it strange that you think I'm brainwashed by the media, when your parents have brainwashed you from an early age.
at last Rippy Found something to post... Not bad actually keep moving..
Deleted by Moderator. Warning to user: stop the personal attacks and stick to the topic...once you manage comprehend it!
In the current world we live in, its the media and the publicity that gets people on your side or against you. So any one and everyone will use what ever means they can to frame their enemy.