Dubai - Mangalore Air India Flight crashes at Mangalore at around 6.30Am IST.Detail information yet to come out.166 persons including crews were onboard.
Up to 78% of fatal air crashes are caused by human error, of which a majority are because of pilot fatigue, according to the Indian Commercial Pilots' Association.
well it is sad news but what i saw on this thread nobody praying for them infact every body giving thier own views like they all are experts come on it is not the time for this thing if you really want to do some thing do pray for them
Rain is not the cause of the crash, It was a pilot error for sure. If he had a doubt in his mind that he would miss the touch down point he should have initiated a go around, which he didn't.
Pilots were also experienced, The first Officer was landing the aircraft, previously he had made 66 landings in mangalore. Captain had made 19 landings in mangalore, he had 10,000 hours in which 7000 were in command, and 2500 on 737-800 as a captain.
I Don't no if the aircraft was below the glide slope, or in this case it must have been above the glide slope.
Only the cvr and fdr can only tell what had happened.
Saadm I heard from one report that he did indeed initiate the 'missed approach procedure' when he realized he had overshot the landing point by a huge margin.
He probably increased power to overshoot the runaway but the aircraft was far too down. Maybe he tried this at a lower height and when the aircraft bumped down at a much higher speed due to increased engine power, he tried to brake as hard as he could which led to the tyres bursting.
Looks like when something started going wrong everything went wrong
Rain alone could not have caused this. In any case it was just light drizzle and the visibility from all reports is said to be 6km. Aircrafts can land safely even in driving heavy rain too.
It looks like the pilot missed the landing point by a huge distance ( this is confirmed) and then panicked. Either slammed the brakes too hard or tried to increase power to gain altitude to overshoot the entire runway. Not sure.
Only the black box will reveal what happened in the cockpit. The air traffic controller states there was no distress calls.
About ILS and landing I think it just guides you in based on all the data available. In the end it is the pilot who lands based on what he receives on ILS.
Only a person well versed on this subject can inform us.
Another report says he tried to abort landing at the last moment realizing he overshot the landing point by a huge distance but this is unconfirmed. The visibility was reportedly 6 km which is good enough and there was only a light rain. And he was locked on to ILS Instrument Landing System.
Just heard that one survivor a 4 year old girl died in hospital. Damn sad
Mehnis..oops, just another one to the majority, pilot errors.. seems heavy landed, and that too beyond the spot and being a Table top he must had the complete breaks which didnt help and overshot..
this happens when there is poor visibility I guess. was it raining?
Apparently landed about 3000 ft beyond the touch down point. Pilot braked very hard resulting in bursting of tyres. Skidded towards the end of runaway and hit the wall. The reports suggest that the plane broke up into two on the impact and burst into flames while sliding down the valley.
Almost all the survivors were the ones who were thrown out when the aircraft broke up.
737-800 aircraft is one of the most modern of that capacity, its called NG- aircraft (New Generation).safer than A320s which is of the same size n capacity.
I dont htink its anything to do with the craft. The runway is a TABLETOP one, must have overshot..another pilot error?? we will know soon..
This Particular Aircraft 737-800 Needs 2500 Feet Of Runway To Land, And Mangalore Had 8000 Feet Of Runway With 6km Vis, Light Rain, And Runway Was Not Wet.
If you really look at the statistics there are more deaths on Indian roads than anywhere else in the world. Apparently 13 every hour and 114000 died in 2007 and many more injured .
saad, whats ur date of birth?? suppose if it is 22nd of ne month then ur fate number will be 2+2=4 and destiny number would be the addition of all digit..say for e.g.22.05.1980..2+2+5+1+9+8=27=2+7=9..Herez the link below..thnx
oso, its ok..all r free to give their views..I have a slight knowledge about numerology and so i shared with u all..i belong to number 9 and the people belong to this number may face the tragic accident once in their life..And its really true in my case..Try to read more about this though i m not enforcing my views on others..its just about likings..thats it..
The problem I have with numerologists is they come up with all kinds of conspiracies for all kinds of numbers eg the number 9 adds to 9 for all it's multiples ie 9x2= 18, 1 and 8 =9, 9x3=27, 2 and 7= 9 etc etc. Also 999 is really the devil's number inverted ie 666. Guess I am a little cynical about this
Do u guys believe in NUMEROLOGY?? I don't believe but sometimes the circumstances have made me to ponder a lot on this..
The number 8 considered to be rule by the planet SATURN(shani)which is inauspicious for many..Today is saturday, the day of SATURN and hence number 8..The total survivors r even number 8..The person whose interview i have seen in the news channel told that he jumped from his seat no.98 when plane crashed into two parts..The addition of number 98 is 9+8=17=1+7=8 (again)..Three people sitting in the same row of 98 got their life saved as well coz of that man..
Well i m sure many won't be agreed with me but i just thought to share my views which i have calculated thru my bit knowledge in this..
I know that an ex colleague was flying back to Kerala from Doha over the weekend and hope her and her family were not on the flight.
My feelings are with the families.
I read an article dated 15th May stating that the airport was to receive international status soon but that prior to that, the runway was to be extended.
Its so sad to hear this tragic accident.I dont have any words to show my haertiest condolence to the deceased .. Lets all pray for the departed soul and speedy recovery of the those who injured in this Air crash. Oue Dear Lord will comfort the members of the bereaved families.
saadm can you shut the f**k up.. We all know by now that you are a pilot, you have told this in every single comment of yours till date, we all know you are the greatest pilot in the world, you have told that too in every single comment of yours till date. Can you atleast leave this tragedy alone or you want to use this as well to brag about you?????
Oh by the way, it's not exactly a big deal to be a pilot.
This was not a technical fault in the aircraft. I Damn sure about it. This means it was a pilot error. The pilot would have missed the touch down zone, this is to my knowledge and flying experience that i have.
8000 feet runway is sufficent. I Have landed in 7500 feet, if the pilot had a doubt he should have aborted the landing and initiated a go around, which he didn't.
i leave very close to manglore, and have travelled many a times using AIE to the same airport.
total 166 people were on plane of which 6 were crew. until now 8 people are informed to be alive. and 40 dead bodies have been removed.
the airport was an international airport with a sufficient runway of 8000 feet. this was a new runway initiated in 2006. and met all necessary conditions and was liscenced.
Accident is suggested to have been due to overshoot(ie the plane landed much far away from the point it should have landed and thus runway proved to be short)
as per the reports of the survivors, the plane landed and within a few seconds they heard some big sound and they noticed an opening ie the plane broke open and they jumped out of it while the plane was still sliding. luckily they survived who jumped out.
seven people of my place died. father and his 3 kids(whose wife had expired in a tragic van accident a few months back near manglore thus he had taken his kids on a visit with him to dubai and this was their return journey) and a mother with her 3 year old son and another 10 year old boy.
May Allah grant patience to all the deceased families.
What is wrong with Air Travel these days? It was supposedly the safest way of transport till recent days. Air disasters are becoming increasingly frequent these days.
I have always wondered whenever i have to travel that why the modern technologies are not yet advanced to make such kinda planes which could land as normal as a vehicle(car)without scaring the passengers..
same with me sonia, been working in the industry and had to fly around a lot.
One flight to Daressalam in Tanzania screwd my happiness forever. It had freefall twice while decenting, but landed safe afterwards.. after that , I start to sweat my palms once it starts decenting. :((
I m in terrible shock coz i have travelled thru air india express many times..That sounds really funny when i would say that i get goosebumps whenever i fly from any airlines though i have travelled thru flight umpteen number of times..Whenever the pilot make announcement of the departure,i make sure to convey my feelings to them thru air hostess or flight steward that DO TAKE CARE OF US WELL WHILE LANDING N TAKE OFF..It may sound childish but i m really really scare of making my journey thru it..
I just don't have ne words to show my heartiest condolence to the deceased..
I have seen a video footage of a small baby that resuce team were carrying him/her in their lap to give the first aid treatment in one of the news channel..
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Up to 78% of fatal air crashes are caused by human error, of which a majority are because of pilot fatigue, according to the Indian Commercial Pilots' Association.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-crashes-Tired-pilots-crew-a-recipe-for-disaster/articleshow/5963763.cms
Eco - really it is so sad...
this is indeed painful
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mangalore/Two-families-claim-one-body/articleshow/5965115.cms
My condolences to the family of the deceased.
RIP.
It's so tragic!
A Tragedy. May they rest in peace and may their loved ones find solace after their loss.
No words and prayers can cover the tremendous loss of human life..
.....May they rest in peace, and their families find solace in this difficult period.
Lawa this is a discussion forum not a prayer service.
they are supposed to thank you for your cooperation isnt it.
well it is sad news but what i saw on this thread nobody praying for them infact every body giving thier own views like they all are experts come on it is not the time for this thing if you really want to do some thing do pray for them
we circled Karnataka, flight was playing ping pong
overhead bins threw luggage out, we have to go back to Mumbai. weather was not in favour
Dumb cabin crew said thanks for flying Indian Airlines
and blah blah
Rain is not the cause of the crash, It was a pilot error for sure. If he had a doubt in his mind that he would miss the touch down point he should have initiated a go around, which he didn't.
Pilots were also experienced, The first Officer was landing the aircraft, previously he had made 66 landings in mangalore. Captain had made 19 landings in mangalore, he had 10,000 hours in which 7000 were in command, and 2500 on 737-800 as a captain.
I Don't no if the aircraft was below the glide slope, or in this case it must have been above the glide slope.
Only the cvr and fdr can only tell what had happened.
is bad
Talking about the Polish air crash did anyone see the amateur video footage of Russian soldiers shooting the survivors??
Very tragic and unimginable inncident,Oh God give patience to relatives of those who killed and courage and fast heal the survivors...
GOD IS GREAT
Hat's up! to the manglore people who rushed to the spot,and rescued the servivors,
great work done!
There are no 'good' presidents.
dont know about the others
Saadm I heard from one report that he did indeed initiate the 'missed approach procedure' when he realized he had overshot the landing point by a huge margin.
He probably increased power to overshoot the runaway but the aircraft was far too down. Maybe he tried this at a lower height and when the aircraft bumped down at a much higher speed due to increased engine power, he tried to brake as hard as he could which led to the tyres bursting.
Looks like when something started going wrong everything went wrong
I hope it had crashed with all the politicians on board like the polish one.
Kingfisher/Jet airways do it well but not OAL
Rain alone could not have caused this. In any case it was just light drizzle and the visibility from all reports is said to be 6km. Aircrafts can land safely even in driving heavy rain too.
low visibility
Actually Mangalore Airport Runway is A (Category C Runway)
Approach Speed Should Be 121 knots or more, but less than 141 knots.
How come the runway was not wet when there was light rain? Where did the water go?
vis was 6km and light rain, and runway was not wet. Mangalore airport has a spill over area of 90 meter which in this case was very less.
The pilot in command in time of the landing should have initiated a missed approach procedure at around 200 feet.
737-800 aircrafts engine response time is 8 sec.
It looks like the pilot missed the landing point by a huge distance ( this is confirmed) and then panicked. Either slammed the brakes too hard or tried to increase power to gain altitude to overshoot the entire runway. Not sure.
Only the black box will reveal what happened in the cockpit. The air traffic controller states there was no distress calls.
About ILS and landing I think it just guides you in based on all the data available. In the end it is the pilot who lands based on what he receives on ILS.
Only a person well versed on this subject can inform us.
Being on ILS, then its indeed a technical error to land beyond the landing point no?.
Another report says he tried to abort landing at the last moment realizing he overshot the landing point by a huge distance but this is unconfirmed. The visibility was reportedly 6 km which is good enough and there was only a light rain. And he was locked on to ILS Instrument Landing System.
Just heard that one survivor a 4 year old girl died in hospital. Damn sad
Specs and runway requirements can be found here:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/737sec3.pdf
Mehnis..oops, just another one to the majority, pilot errors.. seems heavy landed, and that too beyond the spot and being a Table top he must had the complete breaks which didnt help and overshot..
this happens when there is poor visibility I guess. was it raining?
Boeing 737 "as this aircraft" they are tecnologically advanced planes
Apparently landed about 3000 ft beyond the touch down point. Pilot braked very hard resulting in bursting of tyres. Skidded towards the end of runaway and hit the wall. The reports suggest that the plane broke up into two on the impact and burst into flames while sliding down the valley.
Almost all the survivors were the ones who were thrown out when the aircraft broke up.
All preliminary evidence points to pilot error
I Fly 319s.... :(
737-800 aircraft is one of the most modern of that capacity, its called NG- aircraft (New Generation).safer than A320s which is of the same size n capacity.
I dont htink its anything to do with the craft. The runway is a TABLETOP one, must have overshot..another pilot error?? we will know soon..
This Particular Aircraft 737-800 Needs 2500 Feet Of Runway To Land, And Mangalore Had 8000 Feet Of Runway With 6km Vis, Light Rain, And Runway Was Not Wet.
Let's also pray for 86 400 souls who'll die today because they have nothing to eat.
and he is British national of Serbian origin
Very Very Sad to hear this incident in the morning, Let us all Pray for their Souls, and Condolences to their families.
I am waiting for the condolences of all you 'holy' people. 36 million dead. 1 every second. 86 400 per day.
If you really look at the statistics there are more deaths on Indian roads than anywhere else in the world. Apparently 13 every hour and 114000 died in 2007 and many more injured .
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/India-leads-world-in-road-deaths-WHO/articleshow/4900415.cms
This is a very tragic accident but looks like air travel is more safe than Indian roads
This is really tragic. Does anybody care?
"On average, 36 million people die each year as a direct or indirect result of poor nutrition, which is more than 1 death each second." (WHO)
Flying is safe compared to living.
sad to know
Let computers fly the airplanes. Pilots are always a risk.
How this kind of Disasters can be avoided.
preliminary finding point to pilot error. And in Mangalore airport the margin of error is very minimal. YOu miss it you will fall off the hill.
March 27, 1977: KLM and Pan Am Boeings collide in Spain - 583 killed
August 12, 1985: Japan Airlines 747 crashes near Mt. Fuji - 520 killed
November 12, 1996: Midair collision between Ilyushin cargo plane, a Saudia 747 near Delhi - 349 killed
March 3, 1974: Turkish Airlines plane crashes near Orly airport - 346 killed
June 23, 1985: Air India 747 between Toronto and Mumbai blown up midair - 329 killed
Indeed a sad news this morning, may Allah give patience to relatives of those who passed and heal the survivors.
condolences to my indian friends.
my condolences to the families who departed from the tragedy, rest in peace to the victims
Soniya my number is 6.... :)
very bad to hear the news, and Its a very balck saturday in our life, we can pray for who killed in disaster,
inna lillahi va inna ilaihi rajiyun.may allah 4 dem.plz pray 4 deir souls
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mangalore/List-of-passengers-on-crashed-Air-India-Express-plane-/articleshow/5961760.cms
Many kids on board, maybe returning home from Summer break :(
saad, whats ur date of birth?? suppose if it is 22nd of ne month then ur fate number will be 2+2=4 and destiny number would be the addition of all digit..say for e.g.22.05.1980..2+2+5+1+9+8=27=2+7=9..Herez the link below..thnx
http://www.findyourfate.com/numerology/birthdays.htm
What would be my number ;)
oso, its ok..all r free to give their views..I have a slight knowledge about numerology and so i shared with u all..i belong to number 9 and the people belong to this number may face the tragic accident once in their life..And its really true in my case..Try to read more about this though i m not enforcing my views on others..its just about likings..thats it..
:( :(
tragic...
Hi Soniya
The problem I have with numerologists is they come up with all kinds of conspiracies for all kinds of numbers eg the number 9 adds to 9 for all it's multiples ie 9x2= 18, 1 and 8 =9, 9x3=27, 2 and 7= 9 etc etc. Also 999 is really the devil's number inverted ie 666. Guess I am a little cynical about this
thanks for sharing soniya. But i don't believe in this. It is the destiny.
Do u guys believe in NUMEROLOGY?? I don't believe but sometimes the circumstances have made me to ponder a lot on this..
The number 8 considered to be rule by the planet SATURN(shani)which is inauspicious for many..Today is saturday, the day of SATURN and hence number 8..The total survivors r even number 8..The person whose interview i have seen in the news channel told that he jumped from his seat no.98 when plane crashed into two parts..The addition of number 98 is 9+8=17=1+7=8 (again)..Three people sitting in the same row of 98 got their life saved as well coz of that man..
Well i m sure many won't be agreed with me but i just thought to share my views which i have calculated thru my bit knowledge in this..
http://www.indianexpress.com/
sad and tragic
LicolnPirate, I Don't think so it could be a problem with the design of the aircraft.
I know that an ex colleague was flying back to Kerala from Doha over the weekend and hope her and her family were not on the flight.
My feelings are with the families.
I read an article dated 15th May stating that the airport was to receive international status soon but that prior to that, the runway was to be extended.
(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Mangalore/Mangalore-airport-may-go-international-soon/articleshow/5935521.cms)
WK, by the way if its not a big deal to become a pilot, go and try to be one. and secondly mind your language......
there is always an official investigation to such. Just wait.
Its so sad to hear this tragic accident.I dont have any words to show my haertiest condolence to the deceased .. Lets all pray for the departed soul and speedy recovery of the those who injured in this Air crash. Oue Dear Lord will comfort the members of the bereaved families.
"This is the 8th Boeing 737-800 plane that was damaged beyond repair as result of an accident, a criminal act or a non-operational occurrence."
Anything wrong with the design of the plane?
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20100522-0
saadm can you shut the f**k up.. We all know by now that you are a pilot, you have told this in every single comment of yours till date, we all know you are the greatest pilot in the world, you have told that too in every single comment of yours till date. Can you atleast leave this tragedy alone or you want to use this as well to brag about you?????
Oh by the way, it's not exactly a big deal to be a pilot.
This was not a technical fault in the aircraft. I Damn sure about it. This means it was a pilot error. The pilot would have missed the touch down zone, this is to my knowledge and flying experience that i have.
8000 feet runway is sufficent. I Have landed in 7500 feet, if the pilot had a doubt he should have aborted the landing and initiated a go around, which he didn't.
Here we go again. Another one down. I Had my emergency landing drills yesterday, and we were talking about the Libya crash and this happened.
To my information Air India Express Flys 737-800 On Miiddle East Routes. This Aircraft Is The Latest In Boeings 737s Fleet.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mangalore/Mangalore-Air-India-aircraft-overshoots-runway-158-dead/articleshow/5960931.cms
Really sad :(
i leave very close to manglore, and have travelled many a times using AIE to the same airport.
total 166 people were on plane of which 6 were crew. until now 8 people are informed to be alive. and 40 dead bodies have been removed.
the airport was an international airport with a sufficient runway of 8000 feet. this was a new runway initiated in 2006. and met all necessary conditions and was liscenced.
Accident is suggested to have been due to overshoot(ie the plane landed much far away from the point it should have landed and thus runway proved to be short)
as per the reports of the survivors, the plane landed and within a few seconds they heard some big sound and they noticed an opening ie the plane broke open and they jumped out of it while the plane was still sliding. luckily they survived who jumped out.
seven people of my place died. father and his 3 kids(whose wife had expired in a tragic van accident a few months back near manglore thus he had taken his kids on a visit with him to dubai and this was their return journey) and a mother with her 3 year old son and another 10 year old boy.
May Allah grant patience to all the deceased families.
last week there was some problem with Indian Express at DIA
What is wrong with Air Travel these days? It was supposedly the safest way of transport till recent days. Air disasters are becoming increasingly frequent these days.
May the victims Rest in peace.
I have many friends from Manglore/ Banglore.
no comment about Air india express !!!
and very sad.
More than 60% of airplane crashes are pilot's mistakes.
I have always wondered whenever i have to travel that why the modern technologies are not yet advanced to make such kinda planes which could land as normal as a vehicle(car)without scaring the passengers..
same with me sonia, been working in the industry and had to fly around a lot.
One flight to Daressalam in Tanzania screwd my happiness forever. It had freefall twice while decenting, but landed safe afterwards.. after that , I start to sweat my palms once it starts decenting. :((
Condolence to all those lost their beloved ones.
only the soul!!!
To Him we belong to HIM we return
That's really tragic...may the departed souls rest in peace...
Oh my God
sorry double post
My heart felt condolenses with those who are suffered, May god gives their family to bear the pain,
having no words to express my feelings.
very sad..inna lillahe wa inna elaihe rajeoon.
:(
Really so sad...
Pilot - Well Experienced expat
Flight - Only five years old
Airport - New airport inagurated for operation just a month before itseems
Still What went wrong??!!
A really tragic accident...
I m in terrible shock coz i have travelled thru air india express many times..That sounds really funny when i would say that i get goosebumps whenever i fly from any airlines though i have travelled thru flight umpteen number of times..Whenever the pilot make announcement of the departure,i make sure to convey my feelings to them thru air hostess or flight steward that DO TAKE CARE OF US WELL WHILE LANDING N TAKE OFF..It may sound childish but i m really really scare of making my journey thru it..
I just don't have ne words to show my heartiest condolence to the deceased..
I have seen a video footage of a small baby that resuce team were carrying him/her in their lap to give the first aid treatment in one of the news channel..
All 160 out of 169 are dead...........
60 people dead, 7 survived, rescue operation is going on.