LOSING OLYMPICS- the real reason
people here came out with a million reasons. but heres what i think is the right answer. please travel to industrial area, look at the roads. olympic committee people mite have travelled thru this and felt annoyed. there wer better roads in 1940s.. the roads there really suck. its all bumps n potholes. what a great signs for a developing qatar. please dont go in cars or jeeps. hire trailors or trucks.. i ve been to some parts in street 15 and 16 today. i am going back with a crain to get my car back. welcome come qatar.
well if they had six years to get it togther for the asian games ,how would they cope with the olympics in 8yrs? , i went to the opening ceremoney and the roads around the stadium and (still not fixed)they still have those fishing rod like lights along by the road not installed, Qatar has to plan of a lot more , they should start with smaller events and work their way up (F1 , major tennis events , extreme games espn etc , and make the place more attractive to tourist fix the beaches etc the list goes on and on , all depends on where Qatar want to be in 10 years.....
Thanks tallg for that wake-up call to ncmedia... and when did they actually start working on it... they had to get a warning from IOC before they actually moved their behinds maybe 3 years before the event began...
Cheers all.. have a lot of Olympic meetings now... :)LOL
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Not every one wants to go to a hotel to have a drink, infact i despise the fact that just to have a drink with a meal when i am out requires me to go to a hotel. I love buffulo wings, which yes you can get at TGIF's and chilli's but were i am from TGIF's and chilli's i can also get a half decent Magarita to wash them down with.
another beauty is that Qatar doesn't have many athletes representing the country that are actually born and bred here, rather they are imported...this is another reason...
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ncmedia, Doha were voted as 2006 Asian Games hosts on 12th November 2000. Why do you ask?
Ramadan is one of the other reasons i would say, most athaletes would be here at least two months before to train and aclimitise something most would not be able to do during ramadan as you can't even eat in your car. these are things that Qatar has too address. It is all well and good as I said before for those who are living here on a semi permenant basis we are used to this and we try our best to "do as the Romans do" but we are not talking about living here we are talking about an event that includes every country in the world that will bring people here for a minimum stay of 2 weeks people who really don't give a flying F*&^ about religion they are here to watch some of the best athaletes in the world compete against each other and to have a bit of fun. I know i saw this in sydney the exitment the celebrations of your country winning a medel. We are not talking of other M.E countries we are talking of Qatar this is were the epicentre will be not the U.A.E., not Barain but Qatar.
lol they couldnt even get the asian games finished in time and they had ten years lol
In other ME countries.. no you can't get in the stadium.. but you can buy it from shops.. not just hotels... well.. if you've seen any of the plans for the games you'd understand that putting people in 8 years will not be a problem when you have 50,000 hotel rooms built (if not more), hugh stadiums, trains from west bay to main play arenas...
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When was the asian games given officially to Qatar any takers?
Koko I wasn't just talking about pork I was also talking about restrictions on the selling of alcohol. No ME country allows alcohol in their stadiums. As for when in Rome do as the Romans do, that's great if you're a tourist or an expat, but if your an international Olympic Committe deciding where do put a multi billion dollar games and hundreds of thousands of people, when in Rome doesn't really fly.
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Other ME countries have Pork... Alcohol and almost anything else you would wish to have especially celebrating an occassion like the Olympics..
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why?
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Mis-Cat.. yes it is true that this what they would like to do... but imagine the foods are not part of their daily diet... but it isn't against their religion... think about ramadan.. you see the population here is not totally muslim.. but we have to bare with the rules and wait for resturants to open, even tourists...
Live in Rome, do as the Romans do!!! This is their country and you never know.. maybe they will allow other resturants to have alcohol.. there was a lot of talk about places (like Bennigans) getting the liscence for the Asian games,. but it didn't happen.. but maybe for the olympics it would...
What i am trying to say is that food and drink are not all the reasons not to give someone an event like the olympics...
And Gypsy.. have you visited other ME countries??? If you had.. you wouldn't have said the whole ME has to realize this!!!
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thats right Sydney Held the Games in September due to the fact our summer doesnt officially start till december so this is why I say that I think it was just a convieniant excuse for the IOC.
Just because you are a westerner that doesn't like pork doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. Alot of asian countries have a diet that does include alot of pork product not to mention european countries as well. It's the same with the alcohol issue, while we live here on semi permenant basis these are things we just accept most of us have a permit to buy alcohol from QDC and access to the bars, but from a tourist point of view if you are coming here for a celebration, which is what most people do for the olympics, trust me i lived through the Sydney games and worked in hospitalitym, most who dont get tickets for some of the major events will seek out the local watering hole, or buy some booze for home and watch it on the T.V. do not forget a majority of the people that will be here weather in an official capacity or just here to watch the games are used to just popping down to the local bottle shop to pick something up.
supernurse - Probably a lot of those mentioned here by koko37, miscat and gypsy, and by other people in the other threads about this. I doubt we'll ever find out the actually real reasons though.
Now, I wonder what those reasons could be.......
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I agree with MisCat and Gypsy. I don't see how the October timing could have been so much of a problem to the IOC, especially as the Olympics have been held in October previously. And as Doha came joint third for the criteria discussed in the official IOC report I can only assume that they were rejected for other reasons not covered by the report.
koko37....you're absolutely right...yep, narrow minded..thats what we are......narrow minded....mmmm like that one...
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You guys are so narrow minded!!!
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I think pork will be a huge problem, it's a stable for a lot of diets.
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koko37, pork is a problem cos we can't buy it!!
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Qatar could very easily be ready for all of that by 2016. 8 years is time enough to get ready... rush of visitors and food and alcohol.. come on... do you really think Pork is a problem here??? I'm a westerner and i hate pork.. what gives people... food and drink is not a big deal... something else happened!!! For reference.. Qatar back in the 70's did sell Pork!!
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Too true MisCat, I think the lack of basic cultural amemnities is a big reason, it's the same reason they won't get the 2018 World Cup. Qatar has to realize (hell the whole ME has to realize) that no pork and no booze means no big sporting events.
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The IOC just used the excuse of the date of the olympics to be held in Qatar as a way of letting Qatar down easy. While Qatar will more than likly have most of the ifrustructure (if this be the case) needed to cope with the incoming influx of tourists for the games, there are certain issues that will need to be adressed such as the availability of alcohol the availabilty of pork products ect.ect. The truth is over 50% of the countries that will be competing in the games are not muslim countries so these things will be an issue not just for the atheletes but the people that come here to support them, to give you and idea last night I was watch "Anthony Bourdin's No Reservation" he was in Korea, Almost every meal he ate had some kind of pok product and was always accompanied by rice whisky or beer. No while it is true to say this is not how they always eat, but this is the way they eat when entertaining and always for most special occasains and this is just one country, there will be an extreme amount of others. The same will apply if they want to try for the world cup, again the majority of the countries that will be represented are not muslim and Qatar will have to be ready to accommodate.
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Did you ask for the reality that happened over there... did "THE GUY" give you the information... because I too work there!!!!
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I have a connection, yes...
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you work for the Qatar Olympics???
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I work for the olympics........and I know the olympic bloke so there......
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It's not an excuse.. it's true.. but they are actually looking into the matter of December...
How many of you actually work for any of the olympics.. all you do is read or watch tv.. so where are your facts???
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koko37 - the window for holding the Summer Olympics, as set by the IOC, is 15 July to 31 August, so I think a December Olympics is out of the question.
Qatar requested to hold them October due to the hot weather, as they are allowed to do according to the IOC conditions, but the IOC decided that it was unacceptable to hold them in October in this case (or they at least used this as the excuse for rejecting Qatar's bid - since they've previous Olympics have been held in October).
I agree with TweetyBird regarding the fact that the bid for October was too difficult for the IOC, but not for the televised reception. Most sports federations are working and in deep games by that time, so it would've been out of the question to host the olympics then. But there is a chance to host the olympics in December, as that's when all federations are off and no reall big games are in play.
As for the Indus' roads, what rubbish is that??? Do you think every country in the world has the best roads everywhere you go??? Of course not!!! These bad roads are caused because of heavy vehicles, and not from the government. Yes, they need to do something about it... but regarding the olympics... PLEASE.... don't fool yourself... They got the Asian Olympics with the same roads... Dahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Regarding Terrorism.... Now there is something to talk about.... Spain is the first on the list for Terrorism... FARC and all the others are so against Spain right now and there are more chances of something happening there than anywhere else in the world.... Chicago.. the windy city... US will probably be the worst place to host the olympics in the summer... No airconditioning... busier roads... and again prone to self destruction... (internal terrorism.. external terrorism, etc...)
Tokyo... Look at China at the moment... suffering from Earthquakes.. erupting volcanos.. Tibet... Expense city.. should I say more???? You think Tokyo is better????
Rio .. probably the best pick... but technically the worst according to the IOC... Hot & Humid in the summer... what the heck...
If you ask me... there is nothing stopping Qatar from being awarded the Olympics except for Politics from the European Side of matters... Money for sure is no problem... Qatar would've spent the most money... Infrastructure.. everyone is thinking of todays infrastructure.. a lot can happen in 8 years... terrorism.. more likely to happen out of the middle east than in the middle east!!
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Sounds like a plan. I can see the toboggans zooming through the snow covered dunes already!
tallg, ok then I'll put it to the olympic bloke to go for the 2018 Winter Olympics.......cos global warming would have probably cooled Qatar down a bit by then, thus, snow may fall.
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Nice idea Supernurse, but probably best to bid for the 2018 Winter Olympics, as they're held 2 years after/before the Summer Olympics!!!
I know!.....why don't Qatar go for the 2016 winter olympics.....mmmmm? They want to hold them in October and October is winter! I shall put it to the olympic bloke today.......
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Well, tweety, i'm a bit confused here.If IOC feels that
"it will lose valuable advertising because it will be difficult to compete for a decent share of the televised market because of the major professional sports that are traditionally broadcast in October.", why wud they insist on having it in October.
N yeah, u r right, I do disagree abt the cold hard cash part :). I do not believe that would ever come in Qatar's way of hosting Olympics.
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Maybe just maybe the IOC meant what they said - Doha was eliminated because of the desire to hold the olympics in October. Maybe the IOC feels that it will lose valuable advertising because it will be difficult to compete for a decent share of the televised market because of the major professional sports that are traditionally broadcast in October.
I don't for second believe that Doha's alleged need for better infrastructure/number of hotel rooms were the reason - if that were the case they would not have made it as far as they did. Neither do I buy into the terrorism issue. I think recent history proves that occurs EVERYWHERE and any city hosting the Olympics will have to deal with it.
I really do believe it is cold, hard cash that is the cause. Of course I am sure there will be those who disagree. :)
Agree with mufy on the state of roads in the industrial area...they r quite primitive, but dont know how much of that was a cause for being denied the 2016.
I believe, what Qatar has been trying to sell was its 'ability' to host the olympics. May be if they had sold 'Qatar' as a destination, a place to be, as a place that can live the age old spirit of Olympics.... I do not know how much was done in those lines.
Also, one cannot focus the development of infrastructure on one particular event, no matter how great the event is. Events will come and go but what comes after is as impotant. Once the 'sustainable development ' of infrastructure is well on its way ,as a part of an overall plan for the region, I believe that 'summers' wont come in the way of Qatar's dream to host the Olympics. lets look forward for 2020/2024.
As for terrorism, I do not believe any part of the world can be immune to the threat.
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are you taking expired dope?
@nichamaran - if mufy was attempting sarcasm he needs a lesson in how to convery it in written word before conducting the lesson you suggested (no offence mufy)!
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It's true, so annoying! i've been there for important so so so bad trip!
Didn't the Olympic Commitee release a statement saying that unless there was a dramatic change in the climate no Gulf state would ever get an Olympics?
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However, it never ceases to amaze me how many ideas people come up with to justify Qatar not getting the Games.
Yes. Qatar have very bad roads compare to saudi & dubai. That's the main reason.
You need to have a driver like my car has :-)
IOC might have seen the labour camp also there...
the bad roads in indus'l area
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absolutely correct tallg
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some roads wer so bad, i took car on the "foot path " or watever.. i saw a round about with a deep "trench"!!!
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No No Maran, it's BECAUSE you are there that elite QLer's don't go :P
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Mufy - Pl. conduct a training lesson on Scarsm for the benifit of most of the Elite QLers.
Elite QLers never visit Industrial Area. Only the lower class like me go there :(
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mufy - I really doubt the industrial area had much to do with Doha not getting the Olympics.
fieryangelinthesky - Qatar will have 80,000 hotel rooms by 2016, so that was not a reason. Doha was rated 3rd for infrastructure so the IOC weren't worried about the mobility issue either. Read the full IOC report.
The reason given for the rejection was that Doha wanted the games to be held in October though there were probably a few other undisclosed reasons too, but not those mentioned here (well, perhaps #3 on fieryangelinthesky's list, but unlikely as almost all major cities face that threat now).
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just get in your car and go to indus area.
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the real reasons were:
1.) International Olympic Committee (IOC) requires at least 45,000 hotel accommodations for visitors, currently Qatar has 18,000 only.
2.) Mobility - IOC found out that Qatar has few taxi and busses. It lacks railway transit and so on...
3.) There's a terrorist threat from Al Q**da
Olympic 2016 - REJECTED!
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Yes bad roads...because Chinese roads are sooo much better. :P
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Worse.
I agree with you...
i insist asking hubby to get taxi to collect his car from the garafe ... ! I refused to drive to that area in my little car !!!
that is true