How to fight for NOC letter?

Qatarisun said

thank you for your exceptional attention to whole matter and to its details. .. thanks for encouraging ME...Keep dreaming....

I'm very curious and eager to read:

What kind of dreams are you talking about?

"Don't make me write your name on my TURD List!"

sure Novi... :)

:x

Good luck and finger cross ! keep me update pls QS.

anytime!

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

Thanks Apple for your help! And thanks Novi for your idea..we will work on it..

posters in this thread are all trying to help you

(i guess). QS asked a question how to fight for your NOC and we are trying to give you a valuable replies, which is a right place to approach!

Just FYI, in some cases, employers are force to grant NOC to their employee (case to case basis though). But that is contacting the right place and the right people.

Thank you!

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

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...just like what my friend said...

I'll go with britexpat's answer. Simple as that.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Avoid mentioning any company names here. Let's make it plain discussion about the most controversy issues in GCC--> "NOC"

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

Youre brave,bro.

Mostly, that's companies internal policy only... "No NOC" and nothing to do with the Labor Laws. But it was supported by a Labor Laws that NOC is compulsory required to transfer sponsorship to a new employer.

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

ok

If you wish to pursue this one in court, might as well REFRAIN from making further comments. It may be used against you...

Just a thought....

but I ask my my self hows this NOC looks like? isnt just a piece of paper with simple statement that no Objection! or is there some thing more?

why didn't you tell us...maybe we could have done something about it.

well sad to hear that one of qlr having this hard times...is it really dracula?

i have an engineer friend too who is really very good and dedicated in his work as well as to the company..but even so when his contract was finished and asked for NOC he was not given. the manager said its not the policy of the company to give, the big boss will gonna be upset...he wonder who is that big boss...

I Never Tried.

"Drink Beer Save Water"

Neither they issued me Noc Nor they cancelled My Visa.After Long Bed Rest of one month.Finnaly i returned Back to Home.I can not imagine those days,Even more than 100 Laboures got NOC.But They Dint Issued for Us.I saw there one of our egyption mate tears in his eyes.lol.But he dint stop the Work.I made my work khalliballi.....lol

"Drink Beer Save Water"

Somehow I can understand NOC policy, companies trying to protect themselves and trying to stop employee to go in competitive company and ok I can accept that.In UAE for example, if you leave company before the end of contract you are banned six months by Ministry of Labor or one year by Immigration. Unfortunately some companies are not issuing NOC even at the end of contract.

But I dont understand why company doesn't want to issue NOC if somebody joined from here and going to another company in different field of work. Most people here are with familiies and their kids are in school, so imagine that one of family member from some reason cannot get NOC, that means all family need to go back home.

I absolutelly agree with you QS when you say that is a Human rights violation. NOC is just depends on someones personal opinion and giving him a chance to play with your life and destiny. It's a crap and something should be changed.

LOL I was the victim of NOC( No other Chance)

"Drink Beer Save Water"

"THIS particular case, there is NO any reason for refusing a NOC letter, other then amusing themselves"

--> just like i said...reason must be SELFISHNESS

"In any other cases i consider it as Human rights violation."

-->Again I said, let him go to Human Rights Commission, and let the HR Committee handle his case, they may contact some dept. (e.i. Labor and others) to sort it out. If nothing happen, at least he did his part before saying bye bye!

Or another option... if he knows someone (a big fish) who knows his employer to speak and ask NOC for him.

Wish you good luck, Dracula. I'm sorry you are in this situation:(((

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

because without NOC... it simply implies that an EMPLOYEE is not good... which is opposite to your friend's case... i wish ABOVE will soften the hearts of of those who constricts of your friend's life...

~~~ There is no substitute for victory yet there is risks of too much oversight... ~~~

QS..unfortunately some companies refused to issue an NOC even if the contract is finished and you come here by yourself.

it is violation of human rights. they dont allow employees to seek better options.

I think I've discovered the secret of life - you just hang around until you get used to it.  ~Charles Schulz

ic.. good.. and you wipe the mirror to nice viewing...

so why, i was wondering why such a COMPANY can do such damn thing for your friend... when there's no reason at all... and this assh**le signatory why cant give such a sign to a simple paper...if there's no reason why would not to allow?

just wonderin why some people would clutch back your freind's life when there's no such thing being ask in return to grant such NOC...

dont tell me the glass of water disappeared without somebody had drink... i dont believe rainbow sucks the water...

~~~ There is no substitute for victory yet there is risks of too much oversight... ~~~

thanks Novi, i will pass him this destination.

Any other suggestions?

Vivo, if it is a matter of Company's expenses, used for his Visa, etc... it wouldn't be a problem .. i think everyone can find 1000-2000 to reimburse his Visa Fee for 1-2 years.

but i repeat, it looks like this Company just full of jerks who don't give a sh*t on someone's life...I am pretty sure, in THIS particular case, there is NO any reason for refusing a NOC letter, other then amusing themselves.

Speaking general, I think giving a NOC letter could be refused by Comapny (not necessary though!) only in case when an employee wants to leave the Comapny before his contract expired. In any other cases i consider it as Human rights violation.

Vivo... you omit the third type of scenario: the guy was hired by "A" compnay, brought here, finished the contract with them, GOT A NOC LETTER from this company, then found another job, with "B" company, who for whatever reason terminated him and doesn't want to give him a NOC letter... and just dragging time in couple of other issues, which I am not even going to mention here.. shortly, this "B" company is acting as a real ASS**LE! this is the story!

so the question is what he can do about it?

thanks.

qatarisun have you try Labour Department in C ring road?

thanks QS... i got a clearer view of your mirror...

since the company didn't brought him here, surely the EMPLOYEE did does the tourist thing at first right? only then the COMPANY assumed him upon employing for the position. But the COMPANY terminates him before contract is over.

How heal the COMPANY is that? now your friend suffers. so am wondering how heal his boss is...

again as i will repeat... businesses here hates losses... and they'd expend for the assuming your friend's visa. try one thing if you're friend can reimbursed amount they expended for such... hopefully his boss will lie low to grant such NOC...

we know that in certain cases, our job is like playing a poker where you dont know which card u will have with... its a matter of decision to deal the card and replace for newer ones... hopefully this will work into a royal full house...if not flush...

~~~ There is no substitute for victory yet there is risks of too much oversight... ~~~

Dear Red Pope! If you bothered to read the thread, or at least one/any post of this thread, you would probably noticed that it is not my personal case… thank you for your exceptional attention to whole matter and to its details. .. thanks for encouraging ME...Keep dreaming....

Apple, i am still waiting for your kind response. Thanks.

You are a Canadian citizen, there is tons of companies willing to hire your skill set level.

Anywhere any time.

"Don't make me write your name on my TURD List!"

And my previous employer gave me the NOC and/or RELEASE letter...

But since I already know Drac's previous employer, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you....

one of the factor that cause EMPLOYERS not to release NOC is that they're not used of lossing in business... 99% of the businesses here prospers and since the local employment laws roughly cling to expatraites workers, looking at a larger perspective, we are definitely nowhere to fight for.

by time, let the weather cools down and approach once again. the effective way, be humble until only just to grant your NOC... once taken... only then you can shout to the whole world..

~~~ There is no substitute for victory yet there is risks of too much oversight... ~~~

"in some cases, employers are force by ----- to grant NOC to their employee (case to case basis though). But that is contacting the right place and the right people."

please.. if you know by ---WHOM---? and what are those 'right places'? and 'right people'?..could you please let me know? thank you!

sorry Red pope.. I didn't mean it, eh?

Good luck,

I was wondering, what employer would want to deal with your big mouth and crasy attitude?

"Don't make me write your name on my TURD List!"

but ENTITLEMENTS is not a favor!

Company terminated the employee before the contract is over.. what favor is that?

ok...now.. I have just got the information that this company did NOT bring him here..Does it change anything?

I think we have discussed it earlier, that NOC letter by its nature is not too "human paper". Ok, I understand when the EMPLOYE is the one who wants to change his job before the contract is over, and since Company brought him here and spend money for other issues, it's quite makes sense and understandable...

But:

-the Company did NOT bring him here;

-the Comapany terminated him;

what could be the reason why Company cannot give him a NOC letter? From my point of view it's just a wild abuse for self-entertainment, nothing else..

..that’s why I ask what are the ways for fighting this violent decision..

..I will be grateful if somebody would share his/her own knowledge/ experience in FIGHTING this humiliation..

Organizations in the Middle East use this ploy to control the workers. Its a form of Blackmail...

Thanks, mar!

N O C :(

and smack each morning with bitterness...

what to do?

~~~ There is no substitute for victory yet there is risks of too much oversight... ~~~

law exists for balance...

there u sat before and agreed for employment contract.

surely any of these are existent in your signed contract.

1>employer will shoulder airplane fare coming in and out of QATAR.

2> employment contract is two years and is renewable upon expiry.

if any from both of you fails, the erring party will have to suffer. and since you mentioned that the company terminates for NO REASON... then it is certainly a LOSS for the EMPLOYEE. so only to rectify the problem. ENTITLEMENTS will answer.

However if in cases ENTITLEMENTS wont be satisfied and the EMPLOYEE ask for another favour. then ENTITLEMENTS ceased. it is the FAVOUR that replaces entitlement for the employee.

bUT AGAIN, if FAVOUR wont be granted... hmmmnn...

~~~ There is no substitute for victory yet there is risks of too much oversight... ~~~

Novi... do me a favor.. let me get some valuable responses first, then I WILL GIVE the permission to hijack my thread (IF i wish so!)...NOT any earlier.

Thank you for understanding and cooperation.

Red Pipe..

if I AM the one who is facing this dilemma, would you offer me a job? well.. let me see… i might change my present Company for yours one.. i definitely will feel more comfortable in your Company's environment...

as long as my duties not including dealing with you ..:)

i'll try to fix it:)))

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

the girl is gone ... i think u need to resize the pic Apple.

@QS ... i am afraid in Qatar you cant do much for getting the NOC if your employer dont want to give you one for whatever reason.

I was just going to say the same thing as you.

Apple, if you press ctrl & f5 it should refresh & show the girl by the pond :)

What do you mean,” if the company couldn't satisfy the entitlements..”??..

.. if company couldn't satisfy the entitlements, company must be black-listed and banned I guess.. it sounds ridiculous..

-if Company CAN provide entitlements, so ex-employee has to be sent home ? (WHY?? What the relation between these two?)..

-but is Company CANNOT provide entitlements, so kind of, “Dear ex-Employee, go and fkuc..ops,sorry…help yourself with your surviving and finding other Company else who will send you home after your new contract with this company will be finished??

it is even double nonsense!

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But i think, there should be a reason at least like company is shooting down due to loss profits, misbehaviour of the employee, incompetence, poor performance or just plainly your employer dislike you and blah blah blah.

If the employer want to terminate a worker, he will have 101-reasons in mind, and sometimes the reasons are just pure nonsense.

Another sad facts!:(

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

Are you facing this dilemma?

are you just asking to analyze the options you have available.

"Don't make me write your name on my TURD List!"

it's not for me.. it is for my friend...that's what i told him: go here, go there..

but....speaking in general.. even they brought the person here, like vfr750 say... why they refuse to give him NOC letter after THEY terminate him?.. it's not that HE wants to change the job, because he found the better one... THEY terminated him for NO reason..

so, again, even they brought him here.. instead of paying his ticket back to his country, why not to give the NOC letter??

I think some assh**e companies use this abusive rule for their own sake to satisfy their own silly ambitions...which is quite humiliating, isn't it?

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every law has the rightful consequences to undergo.

1> if the company terminates someone for no reason, then consequences will be... he should received the whole entitlements existing under contract in full and he will be sent home.

2> if the company couldn't satisfy the entitlements for the employee, he must provide options for the employee like issuing an NOC so that the later will benifit the time losses arise from disengagement with his current company.

~~~ There is no substitute for victory yet there is risks of too much oversight... ~~~

am not talking about the Human Rights at Salwa road. Am talking about the one handled by the Ministry Interior itself.

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

Human rights have no teeth,, go to labour dept,,,, futile but but justgive it a try.

Go to Human Rights commission the one for the Ministry along Al-Dafna area. Make sure you got a job offer from any sectors on hand and is ready to sponsor you. Just try, you wont loss anything. It may help.

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"A LADY IS A WOMAN WHO MAKES A MAN BEHAVE LIKE A GENTLEMAN" Russell Lynes

I wonder if you finish your contract ... i.e. project completed, job well done and leave Qatar.

Can you return to work for a new company on a new job?

Do you still need for an NOC ?

It is always their privilege if they want to issue the NOC...Specially when they're the one who brought you here from your country.It is always a matter of they would give it voluntarily; or you ask for it nicely.

Everyday i beat my own previous records,for the number of days i have stayed alive!