Here is another one...

Oh really?? and what did u come to know from your new teaching experience??? can u plz share it with us?? :))

:-D

No worries soniya, just ignore it.They will be gone sooner than later.

Ah, this thread is taking an ugly turn...

Gunner, I am pleased that you found my threads stimulating.

tinker, more like "infamous".....;)

But heck, what can I do if people are so eager to talk about me...;) It seems to give them pleasure......

Gunner bhayya

hold down ur Gun

Oh....so now people are tracking me....my, my......;)

Gunner, I don't know...you are the one who mentioned it.....and I will soon share more posts/threads with you, I promise...as you seem to eagerly await them. :)

Gunner...and as I asked someone some time ago...and THAT would be the big news? Took you a while to figure it out...lololol

cryspy...it's nomercI.

And mercy...why would I need mercy??? What for?

drmana, indeed...and the smile really lit up his face...:)

KHATTAK lol ... hop they got ur point

Gunner, you think so? Ah...if you just knew.....lol

See, sometimes all is ot as it seems...but, let's leave it at that. ;)

Cheee...Cheee Colt how can you talk of your Indian sisters that way?

Colt NOOOO don't scare him :P

lol...Cryspy

very few on this thread have mercy for nomercy

I will show you Indian pornography too... now what?

Staring the European ladies with bad thought is the result of the rubbish magazines, films, videos the country produces wherein all the characters are mainly European females.

If a lady especially European wish to have dignity, tell your country to stop all the rubbish publications which corrupt the mind of people.

KHATTAK

nomerci, Sorry for getting that post wrong. Probably that guy was apprehensive using escalator for the first time :-)

Khattak, good luck to you then! :) Hope you'll have plenty enjoyment.

Drmana, there was no sarcasm at all in my previous post...in fact, thinking of that encounter still makes me smile. :)

or all men in general?

Oh Khattak....lol

I've had few ugly encounters before but i just follow a simple policy to JUST IGNORE withut exaggerating the situation...

Khattak, ROFL for ur comment...

khattak you are evil!! lol

My sympathies are with all those victims of staring or sexual harassment. This act should be unacceptable in any society.

Having said this, let me tell you that I also face the same kind of situations almost daily. The moment I enter a Mall/ Shopping Centre...the sales girls, cashiers and even the housemaids carrying shopping bags for their Madame, would start staring at me....just like as if they are undressing me & taking pleasure. Sometimes, they even pass some kinky comments too :P ..... I really feel uncomfortable with all this rubbish...

But,

I really like it when the "Madame" wearing Chanel perfume, holding a costly mobile in one hand & LV bag in the other,stares at me. I never mind if they even try to touch me or pass me their mobile number/BB Pin...

Is it acceptable? I think, it should be, NO?

Yaa'ni.... What to do?...

Cultures might not teach you to harass women, but quite a few teach you that women are "Lesser" than men and are nothing more than breed cows and sperm receptacles.

many aspects of a society. I think you mean to say you believe no RELIGION teaches harassment of women and I might agree. But indeed, I do believe that some cultures do support and even teach that harassing women, as a means of controlling the harm they would bring to society (in their minds) is acceptable.

ex.expat, even those who have such opinions I think are twisting the facts taught to them. I haven't read all the books on various religion or culture, but from what I gather from few sensible posters here, they are misinterpreting the book for their own benefits.

I strongly believe that no culture teaches to harass women.

1- films give them wrong impression about western women.

the same films give westerners bad impression about them (how many of you thought earlier that GCC cities has sand roads and camels as the main transport)

2- it's haram to do that,

I think some cultures teach that when women are "out of line" (such as going out in public without a male escort or without being completely covered) that it is acceptable to harass them. I think some cultures teach that women need to be controlled and while the methods of controlling them might look pretty harsh to people from another culture, they believe they are doing the right thing.

they do it simply because they can get away with it. I hate it and it makes me feel so uncomfortable. It happens everywhere, the souq, the malls, shopping centers, simply sitting in the car and it is awful.

I think that because they can get away with it, and there really is not a definitive way to stop it that they do it. Just like men other places in the world, for example, get away with brushing up on a woman in public transportation with their privates. I think, for the victim in this sense, really has to make a scene for it to stop, but that is hard when it is almost everyone just staring.

The only time I have seen them stop is if my husband gets in their face and gets pissed. It also does not matter what the woman is wearing, it happens to me when I am in abaya or western clothes. I really hate it and have never felt as uncomfortable out in public as I have here and I have traveled all over the world.

Ex.Expat, Not all cultures treat women as equal to men in terms of opportunities and benefits but no culture teaches to harass women in any form. If some people do, it's by twisting the facts.

the same way and treat them the same?

ex.ex.expat, I thought nomerci was being sarcastic as usual from the last sentence of hers.

Sorry, if I got this wrong.

But it is wrong to blame the whole culture for the few mis-behaving and thick-headed people. I don't deny the incident nomerci had in souk but to blame the upbringing of whole population of any country is definitely not the way.

Some people have twisted mentality irrespective of where they are born.

Nomerci in no way stated he made her uncomfortable. In fact, she spoke to him and remarked on his big smile. How did you get that all twisted?

Nomerci, if that guy was offensive to you in any way...was it because he was a NEPALI?

What was it in him that made you uncomfortable? Did he stare or his being in the same lift as yourself?

The scenes that nepali guy saw last night in his mobile of your(western) beutiful women were still in his mind that he couldn't resist you, nomercy...

nomercy, perhaps, they didn't learn the thing 'a quick admiring glance with a friendly smile' which would actually do the trick. poor guys!

The other day I was at City Center. As I went to the escalator, a Nepali man, obviously a worker, was standing in front of it so that I could not pass. He looked behind himself and saw me. He then tentatively stepped onto the escalator. He looked slightly uncomfortable,and held on tight to the sides of the escalator. So by walking by him, I asked "Are you ok" ? He looked at me with the biggest smile all over his face...and said "Yes. ok".

So, here you go..there actually are some decent blokes around, right?

kadavsk, yes and no. No, if it is staring...undressing with the eyes, having obvious lewd thoughts.

Yes, if it is a quick admiring glance with a friendly smile.

I pity for the ladies who are not stared.

Is it not an insult to their beauty, dress, ornaments and makeup?

Rape and killings go on here to moayad2001. Just ask the maids.

ok ramil I hope they are not looking at me like I am a gay :D

@ Panda, 'coz they're confused if youre white with black or black with white patches.. lol...

at least in doha they only look not like many countries they they rape or kill girls ... and i think many of you came to doha from there so u know what i mean ;-)

even they stare at me I don't know why :-/

Which culture to be exact teaches "to look at women" in offensive way?

Answer: None.

If the culture being pointed out here was teaching that, all the women in those respective countries should be hiding inside house all the time or covering themselves up to make one self invisible.

To blame culture for such looks on women is offensive.

Whoever stares needs to get a piece of mind for his screwed mentality which is his, not of his "culture".

Im enjoying this series, now i see whinners, and racists and lazy people who instead of working sped their time crying...

Whoever says they don't know what they're doing is wrong is mistaken. They know perfectly well what they're doing is wrong, hence why every time my husband stares back at them they drop their eyes and hurry away ashamed.

My personal favorite is the guys who make rude remarks in Arabic thinking we don't understand. I was walking on the Corniche yesterday with my parents and my husband and a man started making rude remarks about how he could see the outline of our breasts because we were sweaty (I guess a long sleeved shirt and long pants makes you a bit sweaty in 40 degree heat). Little did he know that my mother understands Arabic and he got a thorough tongue lashing for his rude remarks. Dirty minded git.

One of my friend complained the other day that I went past him and his wife and few other ladies friends because I did not stop and say Hello of even give the ladies a glimpse. I know that I was in a hurry but is there some thing wrong with me that I did not pay any attention to these lovely ladies?

I am confused am I abnormal or what?

Good Morning you Buggers

lol good morning ukeng

Yes unacceptable but true..

Good Morning

that's a very unacceptable norm WK, good morning.

somwer men talk to boobs all over the world, that's not really a local phenomenon.

there is no such thing as decent staring, staring is rude that's it, much more talking to women and staring at their boobs!

staring in whichever manner is wrong. why cant everyone agree on that. could anyone explain decent staring?

Who here claims that they do not stare if they really see a bomb shell walking past them, the difference is some do it decent, some do it smartly and some who are a bit uneducated do it shamelessly being unaware of how they make some one feel uncomfortable.

Well i do appreciate that Canuk and Victoria have taken it in a positive manner.

Yes, staring does make women uncomfortable , but out here, Women are like first we drops of rain on drought.

except it or not, scarcity increase demand, Simple economics.

I have been a victim of men staring my female friends, but how many of them will i really go and smack, unless some one is really crossing limits.

Does not mean that i am supporting the men who stare, but really cant do much for them or for the women who are stared at.

I don't in any way expect everyone to be Western in habits and mores. But you stated that the staring is cultural and people from that culture have stated it is not acceptable. Who should I believe when it comes to understanding the culture? A Canadian? Or someone from that very culture?

Where did I say you are condoning rude comments and following? I would assume you understand English... Read much?

It's very clear that my remark about Filipinas was to show that there is unacceptable attitudes towards women in other places, lest I be accused of stating that all brits are perfect gentlemen. I don't think you are so stupid you didn't understand that... well... "think" being the operative word.

Then pray-tell why do you think that the entire world adheres to western cultures, mores and conduct. We tend to jump the gun a bit here. I was merely talking about staring and you said I condone rude comments and following. Then the Filippina comment..... can you see how someone would construe you as... well.... anyway.

well i believe that staring anyone is not polite at all...so is the attitude of some rude people are most likely the factor.

In fact, I had figured out the world wasn't Westernised before I even left home. What took you so long? ;)

XX, you asked why I mentioned something, I explained. We are talking about cultural issues and ethnocentricities are we not... sorry to have mentioned them in a discusssion that actually pertains to them.

A lot of us have lived in non-western countries for quite some time and realize that the whole world isnt westernized.

you don't need to advise me on cultural sensitivity or ethnocentricity. ;)

can happen anywhere but we need to recognize it and stand up to it. I think my comment is quite clear that I am disparaging those men who think that way and so I will not be deleting it. Sorry if that bothers you.

Grr... you guys from the Philippines with all your smiling and joyful singing ;) terrible lot hehehe

That's an example that would elicit racial bashing from others. I would ask you to PLEASE re-phrase (or even delete) that part...if you may.

Let's stick to the topic...

I didnt say the following and rude comments are OK XX, just the opposite. The staring is uncomfy but as I said, most of them dont even know they are doing anything wrong. The whole thread started over some guys working in the souq.

The arab wife comment is that back home it is quite normal for someone to comment on anothers wife, that perhaps she is beautiful or something to that effect. Here, it is not normal but not everyone knows that. You have to try and be a bit objective sometimes and not see everything from a western point of view when you are dealing with non-westerner.

Any guy for that matter Canuk, it is just not acceptable.

scared of the ladies they stare at and make rude remarks about. Everyone knows that Qatar has little patience for men accused of harassing women. The fact that they do something so risky by following women and making sexual remarks (which also has happened to my dear wife) indicates that they DO believe that they are safe in treating women in such a manner. That says to me that they assume women are powerless and look at them as lesser beings.

As for your comment about Arab wives, I am not sure what your point is in this context.

WK, you said when YOU are with your girl.

Azi, it is indeed uncomfortable and the clothes dont make a diffeence. Abayas and niqabis are harassed by Qataris, the rest if us are fair game it seems.

Can't speak for other nationalities in the sub-continent but back home if a guy stares like this at a girl with me, It's a cue for a major brawl..

Most of our fights in college were initiated by this staring :P

Ouch XXX..... but it is indeed easy to stereotype *sigh*

To each his own

how, pray tell can we do that? Wearing abayas or decent, respectable clothes don't even stop them from doing so. To their eyes, women ARE WOMEN...

From your comment, I could guess you haven't gone to these places where men GAWK at women? or have experienced it yourself, have you?

:)

I just think that some cultures may have a tendency to look upon foreign women, women alone, women in public, etc., as easy prey. I compare it to the way some men from my culture think every Filipina is out for a passport and will become their personal subservient housekeeper and sex-slave. It's an insulting position to take, but it is prevalent in certain quarters.

XX, you cant put yourself in their situation, your entire background, socio-economic situation, education, culture, upbringing etc. is completely different.

Do you know that in arab culture it is taboo to comment about a guys wife, and in arab circles quite an offense. Would you know you were doing something wrong if it is something you grew up with as being a very normal thing.

XX I have to disagree a bit (just to be argumentative :))

These guys dont think that they rule they world, and are probably more scared of us than we are of whatever it is they do to us. I read the other post, I didnt see anything from Nepali women, Sri Lankan women, Bangladeshi women. I saw one comment by a woman who classified herself as Asian-Indian but not much more than that other than us western folk.

in their culture to stare, canuck.

I do think it is partly culture and exacerbated by class, lack of education and general lack of respect for women. I liken it to the Mad Men era. Men think they rule the world and women are just here to pretty it up and be playthings for us. The thing is that much of the world has progressed beyond the misogynist attitudes of the 1960s. But some have not.

Let's be very clear on one thing, It's NOT OK in ANY culture to stare at women so shamelessly..

I was here without my wife for 2 years when I worked here before the Asian games. I didn't lose my manners or have trouble controlling myself from harassing women. I think that is just an excuse.

if anyone physically harassed me they would call the police cos I would punch them first!

Believe me I take good care of myself. And I agree with canuk it doesn't really matter what you wear.

Stares are not classified as harrassment here so calling the police is useless. I don`t agree that it depends on what a woman is wearing here, they will stare regardless.

if we understand that they are like that, we are more aware that we should take good care of ourselves. we should try to avoid being harass, but ofcourse their stares and look is not in our control. if they physically and verbally harass CALL THE POLICE.

cheers

Oryx, different context. These guys come from a culture where it is OK to stare, we do not. That doesnt mean that we always expect everyone to bend to what makes us comfortable, and do realize that sometimes there is more to what you deems as ignorant staring than there really is.

Appreciate the tactless comment though, I can see you gave the whole idea a great deal of thought.

How tactless - no black person ever died from being called the 'n' word - doesn't make it right.

Why on earth should I try and understand why someone is harassing me...???? I agree its attitude and its not acceptable.

I believe its more to do with attitude.............its attitude that sets the personality within us....................its a globe which carries mix of different communities to which human beings belong to...........it needs to be taken and thought of in different direction .......nothing can be done much about it...............yeah!!!

so true, they stare like they haven't seen a human being before!

in a crowd some man find ways to rub a lady shoulder or any skin part.

we ex-pats here must understand that they are not use of seeing women skin coz usually women here are all over covered. so its up us now to take care of ourselves or understand the way they think.

cheers

I am western and have never had anyone say anything rude to me but they do stare.

I think you are reading far too much into this. As many have said, a lot of these guys have been years without seeing a decent woman. As long as they are not saying anything (sorry you had that happen) no one has ever died from being stared at. I feel sorry for these guys more than anything, pity they have no manners and to be honest a lot of them don`t even realize they are doing anything wrong.