Goodbye Britain.

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first off - LIS, having thought about it I don't think you are BNP.

A plant - don't know who for, there's just me. :)

Just to add some perspective before I go to bed; from the article in the OP:

"The most popular Muslim girls name is Aisha – meaning “wife of the Prophet” – and was given to 541 girls last year ranking it 101 on the list, up from 110 in 2006."

worth repeating

"ranking it 101 on the list, up from 110 in 2006."

Goodnight mate ;)

"One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle."

What is Shill?

I don't see you as shrill at all. :)

You will find no apologist for Islam here......however I just say it as I find it.

Maybe 'joke' is the wrong word.....a 'turn of phrase' may be better. "AT THIS RATE" is clearly just saying 'at this rate of growth the whole parliament will be muslim' No one can read into that that he means muslims WILL dominate parliament -unless you come to the video already wanting him to mean that for your own political agenda - But that rate of growth can not be sustained, and he knows it, because there is not the muslim population to begin with and never will be. Maybe it is an unfortunate phrase, considering it will be jumped upon and distorted for political gain.

As for being shrill - well, it's late.

:)

hiding their political leanings, just as one very famous british expat hid his religious leanings for so long and pretended just to be a very "muslim-friendly" liberal. I guess it all depends on what one's agenda is ;)

You did not debate anything; you didn't answer any questions or expand upon any points, you just kept repeating the same slogan ad nausium; then becoming rather abusive and shouty when your points(such as they were) were not accepted as the percieved wisdom - please re-read the BNP handbook; you can only be one of two types of BNP activist- either an out and out thug or a charming manipulative liar - never never mix the two.

For someone such as myself; being ignorant, thick headed and one who talks bullshyte, I must say I found you a rather inadequate opponent.

If you are not BNP then I appologise, but then you were so quick to judge me a muslim I think it only fair for me to recipricate in kind. If you are BNP I expect you to be honest and proud.....but then again?

But then I am not an apologist for people like this. And I have always been Labour until the past elections, Adey. Don't go accusing everyone who is concerned about the direction our country is going in as being BNP. You'll only look like a shill.

Adey, I suppose it's a matter of interpretation.

I think it is wrong to say it. Simply because it should not matter what faith a politician has...the same goes for skin colour. All that should matter is how well the person actually performs, to the benefit of all.

And for being as small as 3% they sure make a lot of waves...

If you want to discuss what I really find wrong/dangerous/delusional about Islam then I would be only too willing to engage in debate with you, and you may find that you will end up agreeing with a lot of what I say.....but ....this line of yours is totally the wrong way to go about it.....you are attacking muslims rather than exposing ideology of Islam to critical scrutiny.

Call me ignorant if you must but I suspect that your issue with muslims underlies a different agenda - one that has no traction in the UK if spoken about honestly; so instead you skirt around the issue in the hope of sounding reasonable. BNP/UKIP by any chance?

BULLSYTE!! now if you are to think this was a 'joke' then i have wasted my time even debating this with you. Goodnight mate.

your 'p.s' is the key point for me;

the media make it feel like a lot more than 3% with stories like 'Mohammed most popular name' and 'McDonalds serving Halal chicken WITHOUT YOU KNOWING' etc.

I do think, that for 3%, we surrender too many principles for that minority.

Actually what he said, and you missed out, was "that in 1997 we had our 1st muslim MP, 2 in 2002, 5 in 2005, we should have 8 in 2009/10 and hopefully 16 in 2014..........AT THIS RATE the whole parliment will be muslim"

"AT THIS RATE" is the key phrase....it's a joke, he is just playing on the fact that muslims have at last begun to enter politics as MP's and have done so at an exponential rate(as in quadrupled to the giddy heights of 4, and set to rise to maybe 16 in 2014) over the past 10 yrs.

PS the muslim population of the UK is about 3%

no not at all. If you guys are too thick headed to see this as what it is, then good on you, ignorance is bliss. Anyway i have had enough trying to tell bed time stories to people who dont understand, or refuse to try and understand what i am trying to say.

We will fight another day! goodnight guys ;0)

so i've to assume, if a person from UK is not agreeing with you, he'll be entitled Muslim?

ha ha ha ha ha ha

You could not be further from the truth :P

Anyway you have not answered any of my points but have kept saying that this guys speech would not be tolerated and that it fuelled radicalism yet you have not said how or why it would not be tolerated in Qatar - so I am left to guess.

If you ignore the rather dramatic music on the vid and the written comments over it and just listen to what he said.....I have watched nunerous times....there is nothing wrong with it.

it is a valid question with regards to what we perceive as being 'acceptable'.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha

i'm sure, U've lost ur mind turning to personal matters.

adey, maybe the part where this man says that all politicians will me Muslims at some point is what is bothersome...I think it is the emphasis on the Muslim faith that he seems to want to be the dominant faith in the UK.

profile says you are from the UK. Im guessing that you are a muslim?

when you tell me what you find so objectionable about the speech.

you are not going to agree with anything i say, even if i sit on a stack of bibles and swear on it, so im going to leave this for now because im tired of your ignorance.

"What was said during that 'speech' has given fuel to the idiotic radicals in the UK, and can you see why?"

I am not being obtuse, perhaps I am just thick but can you please point out what part of the speech gave fuel to the idiotic radicals?

There are idiotic radicals in the BNP, EDL, UKIP, Socialist Workers Party, UAF, the Official Unionist Party, Sien Fien, etc, etc, etc,....what to do?

My country, England, houses terrorists, criminals, lets rapists roam free, gives poor sentences to child molesters and is turning lawless with less Police by the day.

It's not safe there, my life is threatened.

SO WHERE CAN I GO TO SEEK ASYLUM?!

Nowhere!

It seems that only some can grasp the truth!

was this included twin baby boys of my uncle born last year in Leeds, and they named them Irfan, and Furqan? ;)

Qhris, not quite...all of Europe id packed tight with them....except for Finland...i suppose the climate is not agreeable..;)

I think it is laughable that asylum seekers come to the UK.

The U.K is an island.

Isn't asylum seeking the first point of safe refuge?

If England is the first safe country between there and Afghanistan, i'll be damned...

It's because no-one else will tolerate their country being overloaded with spongers.

LIS, reality IS complicated...at least now it is, as those morons in the government have made it so.

Apparently there were 7,000 boys born last year with 12 different spellings and pronunciations of Mo'd. Some statistics vary according to which survey you use.

Not much else to say really. You either accept the facts or you don't. And there is no reason to doubt them.

Threads are organic and this is still on topic.

dont complicate things! :0(

How about , if a person immigrates to the UK, this person can't get government money for a minimum of 5 years. The person has to have a job, being able to take care of themselves.

Now that covers the immigrants, what about the refugees?

It is not only Qatar, and im afraid your missing my point. What was said during that 'speech' has given fuel to the idiotic radicals in the UK, and can you see why? and if you can, do you still believe in freedom of speech to this extent? or is this something that you subscribe too? and thinking that this thread is about national identity, where does the 'line' get crossed?

do you think they go around a check every tourist and immigrant the next day to confirm it? Of course not - that would be impossible.

I agree you should not come in on a one way ticket unless you have valid immigration status.

now, will U guys come back to the OP saying popularity of the Name "Muhammad" in Britain ;)

LIS and ExPat.........pointing out typo/spelling error means you have run out of steams.....good night guys.

and why is anyone allowed for tourism without a return ticket and an address that is checked on? We are fools.

Are you suggesting that there is no such thing as democracy in Qatar? If so you are right.

So you might as well say would elections be tolerated in Qatar.

Would Cameron(or his Qatari equivelent, should I say) making a speech in Qatar be tolerated? OF COURSE NOT because it is not a demoocracy - you seem to be saying we should throw out everything that made the UK what it is - democracy, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly and the freedom to engage in the political process.

Or is that a right that only you feel you have the right to bestow?

it's "a lot" not "alot" ;)

Other than that, you are too silly to waste time on.

sillyguy with silly comments, shush now grown ups are debating.

The problem is no-one has to give a specific address when entering.

Or let's say, they put any address, and it is never followed up.

On a flight home last month, a guy was asking the stewardess 'what to put' because he is going for holiday but has no return ticket.

What are the chances of him leaving the country again? More likely to vanish into the system.

Cases of people going into the U.K with diseases like T.B, a disease that was vaccined out of Britain ages ago.

To even consider living in Australia, you have to provide medical history and vaccines.

Families DO go in, sadly.

The government implement a National minimum wage for employees, but like everything this only affects the honest businesses.

They open a shop/restaurant, bring all the non-english speaking relatives over and have them working 'in house'.

2 instances; was watching a Border patrol show on Bravo, or Sky.

This Jamaican guy was sweet talking the Immigration official, (also a Jamaican, a lady) and even though he didn't have the right documents, he was flirting and she was like 'we should let him in, he's such a nice man'.

They also raided an Indian shop, where the Grandma, and all relatives were there ILLEGALLY.

What did they do? Nothing. Because they bought the children over with them, it was 'against their human rights' to deport them.

They are draining our economy, while the hard working taxpayers supplement a life of 'asylum' and cheating the system.

up. Goodnight.

LIS......"I am not looking to argue with anyone." and you still commenting and asking for answer to your questions. History is not just HISTORY......you should look at history which teaches alot about present. And after few decades the present situation will be history too. Btw, correct me where I am wrong.

WOULD WHAT BE TOLERATED?

WOULD IT BE TOLERATED? a simple yes or no would suffice!

"are you for real? would that political speech be tolerated in the ME?"

Again, exactly what was wrong with it?

Are you against all political speeches? Or just those by British muslims? Best shut down democracy in the UK - quick tell Cameron, Clegg and Milliband to shut up and close down their parties.

Sponsership in the UK? Yes let's really follow the rest of the world.

Slipped with words? now please dont try to take me for a total idiot. And why bring Bush into this? FFS.

Ok - so now we have some specific things on the table.

Just to note

Fingerprinting and iris scans - how would that keep a track of people comong in? They would have to all have biometric passports. Even if they had them, how would that keep a track of them? I've never had these when entering Qatar.

Medical tourism is a problem but I think (and I could be wrong) that surgeries and hospitals have tightened up on who is allowed treatment and who is not.

Yes families should be kept apart. :D As far as I am aware no one can legally bring in a mother/father/brother/sister/aunt or uncle.

If you know different I am willing to learn.

:)

LIS

don't be silly and ignorant, if Mr. Bush speech after 9/11 declaring a crusade can be accepted as a mistake, than there is no harm to think, that Mr. Shahid Malik were slipped with words.

are you for real? would that political speech be tolerated in the ME? a question not a puzzle. And the first law i would introduce is that every single person in the UK at the moment should be there under a sponsor, if not, out!

For example...

the fingerprinting/iris scans (to keep a track of who is coming in),

the medical exams (so these immigrants can prove what vaccines they have had and cease draining the National Health Service for diseases they got back home)

and the family visa (to stop them bringing in their entire family to work for free in the family business AND claim benefits).

To name but a few...

History is just what it is, HISTORY. We are talking present day my friend. I am not looking to argue with anyone. In a free world people are entitled to an opinion.

Again - exactly what "would not be tolerated?" - you haven't told us.

and secondly, please be specific - which Qatari Laws should the UK adopt?

LIS.......you were asking answer to your question from others. Should I say now since you have no response to my comments you are it is a silly post?

and silly post!

That I agree..Never bite the hand that feeds you.nobody should be allowed to cause problems and racial issues in a country which does so much for all its people regardless of race and religion etc. However I must say to a certain degree UK has been successful in curbing such situations. For example denying entrance for certain "religious" propagators who are known for their intolerances towards others' and indulge in hate speech.So all in all "Mohamed" beating "Oliver" is nothing to lose sleep over. Specially since you have "Olivia" to the rescue ;)

you have, by answering my question, answered your own. It would not be tolerated. Oh and yes i agree that the uk should follow some of the laws Qatar practice.

The reaction of british people here are pathetic. How scary and frightened they are now that immigrants in general and muslims in particular taking over there country. But if you look back at history. The same people took over, occupied and ruled by force, looted and plundered the occupied country, divided countries based on religion, race and/or to keep future foothold in that region. They migrated there own people in many countries. When something like that happening to them though which is not at the same magnitude, they are scared and crying foul. Btw, the so called islamic terrorist have the same argument that west is trying to take over there country, forcing there own way of life and laws, islam and muslims countries are in danger.

Get your gun my friend.

the wiki piece was for Cryspy re his charge that Malik was removed for corruption.

I have tried my best about answering your question as to holding a 'talk' on gthe Corniche.

But you still haven't explained what "would not be tolerated in the Middle East"

everyone wants to migrate to the UK because it is a soft touch - FACT! tolerance is one thing but allowing people to stir racial tension is another. To my way of thinking it is not acceptable, sorry if my opinion differs to yours but i am entitled to it. I think! :0)

That's right..amazing isn't it? guess many people don't realize this.

1) You are not a citizen of Qatar - so you have no rights.

2) even if you were a citizen you still could not hold an event without government approval.

Is this how you want the UK to operate?

I didn't know we had had a coup and that all things Middle Eastern (in a political sense) are to be held up as paragons of virture.

Maybe the UK should follow all of Qatar's examples?

Exactly what did Shahid Malik say - he listed some of the foriegn aid going to some muslim countries, he hoped that the muslim community would be more active in democratic politics to a state where there would be more muslim MPs and he hoped to see a muslim prime minister in his lifetime - shocking!!! I'll get my gun now shall I?

I can also look up wiki if needed but you can still not answer my question.

but isn't the UK trying to different from the ME in terms of religious tolerance, freedom, and human rights etc? Isn't that what makes UK loved by its people and makes more people want to migrate to UK than ME? I never knew UK to be a country to ape ME and is that then a bad thing?

Mikhail Yuhanna (Tariq Aziz),an X - Prime Minister (and companion of Late Saddam) of Iraq was not a Christian?

Shahid Malik (born 24 November 1967) is a British Labour Party politician who was the Member of Parliament (MP) for Dewsbury from 2005 to 2010. In 2007 he became Britain's first Muslim Minister as International Development Minister, and subsequently served as a Justice Minister, Home Office Minister and most recently as Minister for Race, Faith and Community Cohesion at the Department for Communities and Local Government. He lost his seat in the House of Commons at the 2010 general election following significant boundary changes which brought a number of traditionally Conservative areas into the Dewsbury constituency in 2010.

In October 2006 Malik garnered national attention when he spoke out in support of the decision to suspend, and later sack, a Muslim teaching assistant from Dewsbury for refusing to remove her veil in the classroom.

On 15 May 2009, Malik stepped to one side as Justice Minister and Home Office Minister in order to allow the Prime Minister's independent adviser on ministerial interests, Sir Philip Mawer, to investigate accusations in The Daily telegraph that he had breached the Ministerial Code by accepting preferential rent on his office and home. However, the inquiry concluded that he was in fact paying the market rent and Sir Philip cleared him of any breach. On 9 June, Malik rejoined the government as Communities and Local Government Minister after being cleared of breaching the ministerial code.

On 16 June 2009, John Lyon, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, launched a formal inquiry into Malik’s expenses claims following a complaint from a Conservative politician. In April 2010, Malik was cleared of the serious allegations.

tell me what question i want to ask then please?

I am planning on giving the same kind of speech tomorrow on the corniche with 10,00 watt speakers, which will be televised. Problem is that it will be from an athiest angle, so tell me how it will be accepted here?

TYhe answer is yes

Iraqi and Jordanian MP's give talks to whatever donimination they like in their countries. If a Qatari politician can find any Qataris of non muslim faith I am sure he could talk to them.

LIS's question is not the real question he wants to ask - thus he couched it in a way to hide his real intent. Now I think that is being PC.

and don't know if you are just trying to be PC. The question is would it be allowed for someone to come and make a political speech to Christians in the Middle East? And we all know the answer is no. We've just come to accept the gross double standard.

LIS

show me one democratic country in ME?

Would what be accepted?

The fact that a citizen addresses other citizens at a political rally?

wasn't that video related to an election campaign?

if i'm not mistaken, history of democracy shows, that politicians always made fake promises, green garden to attract their voters, and later on they don't know, what they had promised to their voters, once the purpose served.

btw, he's no longer minister, and were forced to resign for corruption.

i want to know is if this would be accepted in any country in the middle east? simple question requiring a simple answer. No one seems to want to answer.

for ALL of us, not just to, for and about Muslims.

There is no such think as 'pure English' - check adey's list....... its always been a mixed race country.

yes he still is to my knowledge - fatimah can you please answer my question? Im not trying to argue with you but im trying to explain why sometimes, us as Brits, get a little upset when our identity is getting eroded on a daily basis.

LIS, that video is really shocking. Is that person still a minister there?

LIS, if Britain tolerates them...well, this is what Britain will get...errm, already has.

Their country, their business.....

any of you have doubts on how the UK is heading watch this.

Fatimah my friend would this be tolerated in th ME? Please tell me because im a little bit lost here.

My bad...

Yes, we need to stop catering to special interest groups willy nilly..

I said:

We have had Muslims for a long time. The fault lies with us bending over backwards offering up our arses to every special interest group who has something to whinge about. Immigrants in the last 15 years or so are only one of those groups.

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1417792#comment-1664766#ixzz13rx1RlnR

You are as bad as the lot that run crying racism if someone even looks at them. Thanks for illustrating my point ;)

The Government say the new tax will raise £35 million per year. This may sound impressive, but it is a drop in the ocean compared with the huge sums spent each year by the Government as it tries to help society cope with the impact of immigration both nationally and at the local level. A rough estimate shows that, for every £1 the Government spends on schemes specifically to help migrants, its new tax will only raise about 7p. And that spending does not allow for the fact that one new home will have to be built every six minutes for new immigrants; nor the additional costs to the NHS and education services; nor the countless other costs to local services that large-scale immigration brings. Our population will hit 70 million in 20 years. 70 per cent of the increase will be thanks to immigration: this new tax will not begin to foot the bill that this population increase will present to British taxpayers.’

http://news.migrationwatch.org.uk/economics/

English folk, not immigrants but "pure" English, also happen to convert to Islam, right? and many converts also prefer the names like Mohamed and other prophets for their kids. not just that you may get some non Muslims who in their quest for quirky names may name their kids Mohamed simply for its definition. that doesn't mean the name Mohamed is no. 1 due to the high number of immigrants! Besides "Olivia" is still no.1 in girls names now what does that prove? that most immigrants prefer Olivia too? As for the English identity getting lost then I'll be more concerned about the rise in crimes and terrible justice systems that we just read about awhile back, than worry about boys named Mohamed running around town! I agree immigration laws should always be kept in check but that should be for all immigrants and not just Mohomeds and Ayshas!

nomeri.

LIS, no, not in Canada, as most of them are now working in the ME....;)

"Benefits for children

The main benefits for children are Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit. Most people living in the UK can claim Child Benefit for their children.If a child’s parents cannot look after a child, the person who does care for the child may be able to claim Guardian’s Allowance as well"

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/benefits/benefits_for_families_and_children.htm

For once im going to disagree with you. The UK has become a land of hope and glory for eveyone apart from the people who have grown up there - wether it be Europeans or people from any other country. One question. Can you ever see Mohammed being the most popular name in Australia or Canada any time soon? I doubt it.

brit, most certainly this is the fault of the government. Thing is, the countries those people come from have rather "strict" governments, the countries those people go to, have laws that fit with the local population....and THAT is the problem.

adey, the example of immigration from Morocco and Algeria, for example....the fertility rates are relatively low in those countries, and the claim of the video is that they are much higher for the immigrants from those countries in France. It would not surprise me if that were true, as in France money can be claimed for each child produced. This is not so in Morocco or Algeria.

Muslim women have children....and Western women have careers. No prizes for guessing who wins!!

I agree.. However, just because a minority of a minority demands, does not mean that you should give in.. The fault lies with the governments..

Ex.ex.expat ..

If you look at the statistics and immigration figures, the main immigration is from EU countries and most are non muslims..

If you are saying that immigration levels are too high and should be curtailed.. Then I agree with you. But if you are coming from a Islamophobic stance, then obviously I can't..

England has lost her mojo bigtime!

Muslim Demographics: The Truth

btw,

were U the people of Britain thinking in same way, when once Rock n Roll was a famous dance on UK Streets among teen agers???

We have had Muslims for a long time. The fault lies with us bending over backwards offering up our arses to every special interest group who has something to whinge about. Immigrants in the last 15 years or so are only one of those groups.

More like in 40 years

Draccie, light's been off for a while now.....;)

as in" the light is on, but nobody's home". lol

Brit "who bring out these rules..." make that "say YES to the demands". Bit closer to the truth, me thinks.

The fault lies not with the Muslims, but the Leftie , liberal PC brigade who bring out these rules...

ex.ex.ex:

"Last person switch off the lights." :)

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PS:Great country they had once!

even if it is the only name given by many muslims, the reality is that our immigration policy has bent over backwards for Muslims to the degree that we can no longer even have our Christmas pageants in school.

It is not this news alone. It is the fact that I can no longer recognize or have faith in my country anymore. England is no more and the United Kingdom is no longer united.

Goodbye? So where has Britain gone?

Bit melodramatic don't you think?

I guess names have changed a lot over time....as for identity....well I guess the following must have crowded out the 'true' Brits. But I guess as 'true', you mean ***** folks?

THE CELTS

ROMANS

ANGLES

SAXONS

JUTES

FRISIANS

FRANKS

VIKINGs

NORMANS

JEWS

LOMBARDS

WEAVERS FROM THE LOW COUNTIES

GYPSIES

HUGUENOTS

PALATINES

AFRICANS

WEST INDIANS

INDIANS (the sub continent inc Pakistan + Bangladesh)

CHINESE

EUROPEANS

POLES

POWs during WW2

and not forgeting the IRISH

But hey! What do I know.

BTW the Express headline is factually inacruate....but I can't be bothered to explain

:)

Poor statistical interpretation will always make this story propagate, just like it did a couple of years ago.

I am surprised that you should fall for such sensationalist reporting ... :O)

This report does not really tell us anything other than the fact that the majority of Muslims use Mohammed as the most common name for their children. However, non Muslims tend to be have a wider choice - Oliver, Jack, Harry , Alfie etc

My sympathy for U guys ;)

me too! :0(

Sometimes I feel like never going back. Maybe I should try out America or Oz.