Gendercide getting worse
This is a particularly long article that you can find here: http://www.economist.com/world/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1... But just to paraphrase:
XINRAN XUE, a Chinese writer, describes visiting a peasant family in the Yimeng area of Shandong province. The wife was giving birth. “We had scarcely sat down in the kitchen”, she writes (see article), “when we heard a moan of pain from the bedroom next door…The cries from the inner room grew louder—and abruptly stopped. There was a low sob, and then a man’s gruff voice said accusingly: ‘Useless thing!’
“Suddenly, I thought I heard a slight movement in the slops pail behind me,” Miss Xinran remembers. “To my absolute horror, I saw a tiny foot poking out of the pail. The midwife must have dropped that tiny baby alive into the slops pail! I nearly threw myself at it, but the two policemen [who had accompanied me] held my shoulders in a firm grip. ‘Don’t move, you can’t save it, it’s too late.’
“‘But that’s...murder...and you’re the police!’ The little foot was still now. The policemen held on to me for a few more minutes. ‘Doing a baby girl is not a big thing around here,’ [an] older woman said comfortingly. ‘That’s a living child,’ I said in a shaking voice, pointing at the slops pail. ‘It’s not a child,’ she corrected me. ‘It’s a girl baby, and we can’t keep it. Around these parts, you can’t get by without a son. Girl babies don’t count.’”
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Currently in China, parts of India, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and parts of the Middle East the rate of male births to female births is 130 to 100. Which is in no way a natural rate, as naturally the rates of males to females is 103 to 106 males per 100 females. This has created what China calls a surplus of "bare branches" or unmarried men, which causes:
"Throughout human history, young men have been responsible for the vast preponderance of crime and violence—especially single men in countries where status and social acceptance depend on being married and having children, as it does in China and India. A rising population of frustrated single men spells trouble.
The crime rate has almost doubled in China during the past 20 years of rising sex ratios, with stories abounding of bride abduction, the trafficking of women, rape and prostitution. A study into whether these things were connected† concluded that they were, and that higher sex ratios accounted for about one-seventh of the rise in crime. In India, too, there is a correlation between provincial crime rates and sex ratios. In “Bare Branches”††, Valerie Hudson and Andrea den Boer gave warning that the social problems of biased sex ratios would lead to more authoritarian policing. Governments, they say, “must decrease the threat to society posed by these young men. Increased authoritarianism in an effort to crack down on crime, gangs, smuggling and so forth can be one result.”
Violence is not the only consequence. In parts of India, the cost of dowries is said to have fallen (see article). Where people pay a bride price (ie, the groom’s family gives money to the bride’s), that price has risen. During the 1990s, China saw the appearance of tens of thousands of “extra-birth guerrilla troops”—couples from one-child areas who live in a legal limbo, shifting shift restlessly from city to city in order to shield their two or three children from the authorities’ baleful eye. And, according to the World Health Organisation, female suicide rates in China are among the highest in the world (as are South Korea’s). Suicide is the commonest form of death among Chinese rural women aged 15-34; young mothers kill themselves by drinking agricultural fertilisers, which are easy to come by. The journalist Xinran Xue thinks they cannot live with the knowledge that they have aborted or killed their baby daughters."
SO what's the answer to "bare branches?" If this trend doesn't stop, will women have to start taking more then one husband?
Yep FU.....
"Education and awareness with a strong slap is the Answer"
WK......Good to know your strong views on girl infanticide; now I could easily map with your strong muscles buddy :)
do with the gendercide.. in many cases they are accomplices if not instigators..
once i got in trouble with an indian grandma when i was in states..i mistakenly called her grandson who was wearing his hair in a braid, "a cute girl". the grandma got very up set and told me that her family did't have a single girl in it.. i wanted to remind that lady that she must have been a girl, say a few centuries ago....i bit my tongue and kept quiet.
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
one of my classmates narrated an incident that happened in her village wherein a distant relative of hers gave birth to her 3rd daughter in a row and the mid-wife was asked by the mother-in-law and her husband to get rid of the baby before the mother even saw it.a fellow villager who was something like a social activist rushed to the house and raised a hue and cry when he heard about this.the husband asked him if he will marry off this child when she grows up.if he got that guarantee,he will let the child live.everyone fell silent.the baby was killed.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
education is very important and it should be there but it might take decades to educate those ppl...
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
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it on everything (the media, education system blah blah blah,)but themselves..
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
and by the time they all regret it,it'll be too late....
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
WK i agree with you too
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
to be honest social injustice, inequality, poverty is a root cause of all these problems.. these are all man made monsters..
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
No need for any kind of apologies fanonite.. After all I am the donkey from Shrek, I just don't get offended :)
"Live with passion, Die with style"
i was only being sarcastic.
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
what if all the people around the world think likewise?there would be no women left! :-S who will they get their sons married to?
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
i know it is very high in rural south india,s_isale....especially in tamil nadu.i have heard painful first hand reports from my own classmates about girl babies being murdered ruthlessly as soon as they are born.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
than women so they prefer their only child to be a man instead of a woman.
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
lol I find that funny but somewhere in the back of my head I think I should be offended, don't confuse me :P
I like to crack jokes about women at times for sure but you think that is my outlook towards life then I am sorry but you are wrong. Maybe someday you will get to know the real me and realise the great heavenly soul that I am... oops was I being full of myself again :P
"Live with passion, Die with style"
The CBS reporting is factually false unless they mean about a particular are in India. In southern parts of India, female infanticide is very low.
general outlook about life, your being so full of you and your views about women in general show that you grew up somewhere like,,, let's say,,,Haryana!
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
So what's the excuse in China fanonite? In China men have to give the dowry.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
take a look at this thread... :-) http://www.qatarliving.com/node/946899
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
the dowry system, which is practiced by the followers of all relegions in india.
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
lol comeon fanonite this is unfair. I don't support this practise at all as you can see from my comments above. I already admitted that it is a huge problem in my home state and people of my generation are trying our best to make sure that this legacy isn't carried forward. It's not fair that you are equating me with these people who kill the girl child. Nobody in my immediate family has ever been subjected to this atrocity. My dad had 3 sisters who are all still alive, My mom has 4 sisters who are all still alive. But if in my immediate family it is not happening, I never deny that it is not happening at all.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
now its easier for me to understand your twisted way of looking at life........
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
I really do appreciate that Islam does prohibit this wrong practise but again depends on HOW many seriously follows and implement in their lives.
Despite the facts, situation is not favourable for girl child due to several social dogmas, cultural and traditional factors starting from poverty, ignorance, basic facilties in rural areas, caste systems, narrow mindedness and above all poor mindset that only a male child conitnue the family name.
Please note that it is NOT the responsibility of STATE alone but of Every Individual....including myself to suport, stand and speak up against this bad practise and own this problem.
I had seen a movie "MATRABHUMI" which is a fiction but predicts how society would be if female infanticide continues. It was really scary.
And SA, for yours and mine or any religion's god's sake, please leave religion out of this.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
Well we are special so deserved a special section :P
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You had put your hand on the part which pains, a law that prohobit is better than no law, I agree what difference does it make when the law is not followed?
If I am allowed I would say that those Muslim people in India do not realize that in the day of judgement the killed new born girl will be allowed to speak and take her rights from those who burried her or who killed her.
The Muslim indians who kill their new born girls forget that there is a day where all the things good and bad they have done will be weighted and the loosers are those who have done more bad things.
This is only for information.
they showed that in india 96% of female foetuses are aborted during pregnancy.. and the ultrasound clinics displayed signs " spend five hundred now and save fifty thousand later" which meant if you spend five hundred and find out the gender of the baby, you could abort the girl and save fifty thousand on dowry later.
right now in india there are 800 women for every 1000 men and in indian punjab there are 7000 women for every 1000 men...there was a special section about WK's home province Haryana where woman is a rare species. they were showing a family of five grown sons.. only one was married and the other four said that they had no chance of getting a bride and the only married son just had a baby...and guess what was the gender of the baby...male, of course.
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
i reckon it's more of a social thing more than anything else.imagine the entire female species getting quietly exterminated....jeez!scary scenario!excessive polyandry could be a major outcome :-D LOL
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
It can say it's prohibited all it wants, doesn't make a difference if nobody follows it.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
SA this has nothing to do with religion, I have seen plenty of female child aborted in villages where 100 % of the population is Muslim. I was a bit of a wanderer back home and loved visiting small villages and towns where I came across a lot of this crap. I can take you there if you ever visit India.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
This issue is a cultural issue which shows how narrow mind these people have.
By the way guys see the link and see the comments, you can put your comments also.
Do not you think it is good that Islam prohobitted gendercide?
Exactly. :)
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
It's not religion related SA. If you read the article the Middle East, especially Yemen, also has high levels of gendercide.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
this is the result of narrow eye view and unclear far sightedness.
SA_We know this is sadistic status and sour truth, where We Indians need strong legal (by State) and social actions (NGO's and every individual) to remove and abolish this practise from the nation.
It is already illegal, to have sex identification/determination prior birth....but money talks everywhere....A powerful goddess :(
NEW DELHI — India's traditional preference for baby boys has resulted in the extermination of generations of females with thousands of fetuses or new born babies being killed daily for no apparent reason rather than being girls.
"One of the most disturbing revelations came from a midwife who said she had killed hundreds of newborns," journalist Gita Aravamudan told Agence France-Presse (AFP) in an interview wired Friday, July 20.
"She had lost count."
Aravamudan has written a book, "Disappearing Daughters", about the gruesome practice in the Hindu-majority country, including stories of women forced to endure successive pregnancies to produce male children and of others forced to have up to four abortions in five years.
"Female infanticide is akin to serial killing. But female feticide was more like a Holocaust," Aravamudan writes.
"A whole gender is getting exterminated. It is a silent and smoothly executed crime which leaves no waves in its wake."
In the past, India's unwanted baby girls have been drowned in milk, burned alive in sealed mud pots or fed milk laced with poisonous seeds.
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It is illegal Olive if I remember correctly in India but still it is being carried out at many places.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
I don't understand why India and China don't just make it illegal for doctors to tell couples the sex of the baby.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
and this exactly what was happening in the middle east before Islam come.
Arabic people considered the new born girl as a sign of bad things and they used to burry the new born babies if they were girls, Islam came and prohobitted this.
The girl is a mother a sister, the mother is every thinhg.
sad statistics which reflects that we live in 21st Century.....can't believable peoples mindset...
SS...I agree, law enforcement agencies should take strict actions against law breakers.
The issue of gender discrimination lies not ONLY with poor illiterates but with well educated and qualified masses mainly due to their old traditional and cultural family pressure :(
SS - obviously the numbers wil be high in India, it has 1/6th of the worlds population.
India has the maximum number of women dying in the Asia-Pacific region because of discriminatory treatment in access to health and nutrition and sex-selective abortion, according to a report prepared by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) that reveals shocking levels of gender disparity in the country.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/reality-check-un-shows-shocking-gender-disparity/588588/
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
According to the CIA World Factbook it's actually 1:1, with slightly more males then females:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_ratio_of_women_to_men_in_the_world
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
World population ratio is 2:1???
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I don't think Beijing, China, Seoul, South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan are "rare rural" areas of the world. If you'd read the article you'd see that this is happening in every strata of society, from poor farmers to rich, educated urbanites.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
These cases may only happen in some non-liberated traditional custom rare rural areas in parts of the world.
If men can go elsewhere outside their customs maybe they can be a womanizer and get more women. In women's cases, if they go out of the same, they probably can get a chance of getting preggy give birth, and raise a kid without aborting a certain gender...but can still be a single mom who can put as many men into bed. ;-P
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
double-standards to say the very least...
It's such a paradox, you want your sons to marry but you don't want girls. :S
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
It's such a paradox, you want your sons to marry but you don't want girls. :S
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
It's such a paradox, you want your sons to marry but you don't want girls. :S
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Xray trust me you don't want to end up as a bachelor there, public humiliation awaits those who don't get married by a certain age..
"Live with passion, Die with style"
Another thing that is happening is, some of these brides which are bought take the money upfront and then they disappear and never turn up for the wedding.
Sometimes I really used to get very very upset with my own relatives and friends over this issue, the way they used to pray for a boy sickened me.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
LOL WK... i like your pro-active approach...
LOL! Yup you'd better hurry! Soon there won't be any women left! You'll be begging the Qatari's for one of their "excess" women!
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
lol maybe not a bad idea... Getting a girl to marry anyway is such a tough task in my place with all the caste and sub-caste restrictions :P
I am getting worried now, I guess I should go and get married before everyone gets married ;)
"Live with passion, Die with style"
Perhaps women will have to take on the task of having more then one husband, just so these guys can get married.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
just wondering about such people who do these act of shame, if they were born to a father or to a mother. sure they are not humans. Animals are far better in this case.
Some of them are buying brides from the North-east of India or from Nepal and Tibet because of the surplus bachelors.
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i'm glad to belong to a community in india wherein a woman who gives birth to a son is looked up to in terms of there being somebody to look after them in their old age but if she gives birth to a girl child,she is verily celebrated as she has given birth to the heir of the family....one to carry on the family name.female infanticide/foeticide is almost blasphemous!different societies,different customs.Thank God for mine :-)
Can they not see what they're doing or notice all the surplus bachelors?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
This is just disgusting...I have no words. Being a mother myself, I cannot understand how they can live with the guilt of killing a child just because of her gender.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
My state back home in India, Haryana has got one of the lowest sex ratio in the country and I have seen people mourning the birth of a girl, in the villages ofcourse it's a lot worse where they just get rid of the baby.
Well I can just hope that people from my generation onwards will get rid of this.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
I visited one of the largest museums in South Korea which took you through the average Korean's life about 100 years ago, and it was all about the boys. The only point of women was to give birth to boys, if they failed in that, then they failed as women. No wonder South Korea has the highest suicide rate in the world.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Women who give birth to boys in government hospitals there have to be very careful because new born girls are switched regularly with new born boys.
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I can't believe this from the article: In one hospital in Punjab, in northern India, the only girls born after a round of ultrasound scans had been mistakenly identified as boys, or else had a male twin.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
A couple of months back I read a news article about a village in India where only 2 girls have been married in the past 120 years!!!!!
Only 2 girls were allowed to live in 120 years, can't even imagine how many of them were killed over that period of time.
It is still going on, though the numbers have reduced but still some people's preference for male child is sickening.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
olive,check out the new thread i've posted about a movie based on this issue that has just been released in India..."Thanks Maa"
It's actually illegal to reveal the sex of a child after an ultrasound in parts of Canada for specifically this reason.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
:'( really sad....this is a topic which really hurts.