gang-rape woman adulteress
RIYADH: A woman in Saudi Arabia sentenced to six months in jail and 200 lashes despite being gang raped has confessed to adultery, the Justice Ministry said yesterday as it tried to fend off mounting criticism.
Despite being sexually assaulted by seven men who kidnapped her with a male companion at knife-point, the unidentified 19-year-old woman was sentenced in November 2006 to 90 lashes.
The judge sentenced her for being in a car with a man who was not her relative, a taboo in the Muslim kingdom which imposes strict segregation of the sexes.
But her story hit international headlines last week when her sentence was increased to six months in jail and 200 lashes after she spoke to the media.
The ministry said in a statement carried by the official SPA news agency that the woman had owned up to having an extramarital affair with the man in the car.
“She admitted to ... exchanging sinful relations,” the statement said, adding the woman was in state of undress with the man in the car before the attack took place.
The woman and her alleged lover remained quiet about the attack, which was only reported to the authorities several months later when the woman’s husband received an e-mail from an unidentified source informing him of the affair.
“She admitted to what happened and the husband then reported the incident three months after it happened,” the ministry said, adding it wanted to correct the “largely incorrect” details published in the media about the case.
The ministry also stressed the Saudi judicial system was based on Islamic law derived from the Noble Qur’an and that a court ruling in the kingdom was only made after both sides in a case are given a fair and balanced hearing.
The men were initially sentenced to one to five years in jail, but those terms were also toughened on appeal to between two and nine years.
A rape conviction carries the death penalty in Saudi Arabia, but the court did not impose it due to the “lack of witnesses” and the “absence of confessions,” the Justice Ministry said.
The woman’s husband told local media that they would appeal, even though the judge had warned that the sentence could be increased again if she loses the appeal.
The ministry noted that the law gives the right of appeal, but warned that “resorting to the media” could have “a negative effect on the other parties in the case.”
The court dealing with the case revoked the licence of the woman’s lawyer, who has also been summoned by the Justice Ministry to appear before a disciplinary panel next month.
New York-based Human Rights Watch slammed the ruling against the woman and urged King Abdullah to “void the verdict and drop all charges against the rape victim and to order the court to end its harassment of her lawyer.” - AFP
It's not the religion that depresses me, it's the men who think and act like they are right to inflict torture on other human beings in the name of religion. They are convinced that they are right and are not interested in anyone else's viewpoint, be it Muslim or otherwise. Arrogance at best.
For anyone who is interested, Amnesty International is a wonderful organisation concerned with human rights wh campaign for people in countries all over the world.
You can join them online and start making a difference straight away just by writing letters to governments and heads of state. I've been doing this for years and the more people join and become proactive the more successful Am.Intl can be with its campaigns.
www.amnesty.org
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I'm not surprised, I've heard worst stories of women being taken from crowded areas. Especially since she's in Saudi Arabia, were being there just talking to this guy who isn't a family member is a lashable offence.
Also Knox. She's 19, she's a girl with a knife to her throat in a very scarey position. Can you honestly say you would know what to do?
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
no screaming for help when a knife is millimetres away from the throat in a public place. And when everyone there is blind except the kidnappers.
Hadnt they been rapists, I would have called em very daring to do that in broad day light from a mall (As per her story)
Not at knife point nope. I would probably do exactly what they told me to do.
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What if someone tries to abduct you from a public place. wouldnt you create a scene?
Also QD06 I find it quite ironic that you question Wikipedias information, but not the state run Saudi newspapers. :P
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Is it possible for two people to be abducted from a car and noone notice??? Of course it is, it happens all the time!
Children are stolen from crowded shopping malls and hospitals and no one sees, People are car jacked on crowded streets, people walk out of their house and disappear.
The fact of the matter is Saudi is a barbaric hellhole and ANYONE who would defend torture and the death penalty is a sick twisted prick.
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The way some Muslim non-Western people talk about the West shows how very ignorant they are about the world outside of their little bubble.
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and no one notices.
Just think for yourself is it possible for someone to abduct two people from a car and no one noticed.
This is bull-Sh**.
Why would the rapists abduct two unknown people from a public place. This means that the rapists would abduct any couple and they must have been doing this for quite some time.
Use some logic. One thing is for sure that they were abducted from a deserted place.
There is more to the story.
Just remember people lie to cover up lies.
"Lets take away the punishment for adultery and suppose we are living in a Western country where adultery is not considered a sin"
It's breaking one of the 10 Commandments! Some people may not consider it a sin, but it IS considered a sin by those Churchgoing people in ANY part of the world who follow the 10 Commandments as part of the doctrine of their religion.
PM,
The point was that in my humble opinion we tend to jump on the bandwagon without fully understanding Fiqh and the application of Shariah Law. I have seen it too many times among Muslims who are knowledgeble in other areas of learning but try to discredit Islamic Scholars who have studied in their areas of knowledge more extensively than us.
So as they say if the shoe fits wear it, if not I wasn't talking to you. Don't go there means don't try to question me with a simple question to discredit what I stated as my opinion.
Peace
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erm can't find that immediately! :P
qd06 I wasn't being sarcastic - just saying it's easy to check things on the net, except I can't find khawla lol
Jauntie,
Wiki Sarcasm for me also.
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or have met on my travels to the best of my knowledge have never been punished for their drinking habits. I am unaware of whether they were adulterers or thieves.
"There is a huge difference between the West and Islam."
I think you mean a big difference between where a Muslim practices Islam.
Just another example of how the Media twists and obscures the truth.
It is against Islam to have sex before marriage (this is to protect women).
The men that raped her were punished.
She was punished for having relations with the man she was initially with.
SO these are two seperate cases blurred in order to cause confusion and blame Islam.
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How can a muslim deny shariah.
It is the core of islam. Islam is not just a religion that tells people to pray. It is a whole code of life. It gives you code of conduct in many daily life situations.
Like for stealing we know the punishment.
For drinking we know the punishment.
For adultery we know the punishment
You take away the punishments, then you are just left with prayers. And then there will no punishment for adultery, stealing etc etc.
The essence of islam is that it tells us if you do something wrong you will be punished. Lets take away the punishment for adultery and suppose we are living in a Western country where adultery is not considered a sin. Do you think there will be anything to stop a person from committing adultery?
There is a huge difference between the West and Islam. If we take away the punishment described in Islam we would be left with a Western society.
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I dont think the Western system of punishment is wrong. It is just that when we already have our system then why should we be copying others systems
Ah same old nonsense:
non-muslims attacking sharia law...
so called muslims calling sharia law 'barbaric', 'backwards' etc the hypocrites/agents are easy to spot!
It is well known and understood that the punishment for adultery is death by stoning...of course all the conditions have to be met before the punishment is implemented...but it is a capital offence and considered one of the more serious crimes in Islam.
This punishment was implemented by the Prophet (saw), His campanions, the muslims that came after them..
Only in the last few years have these issues been debated because there is a concerted effort by the west and their friends (so called ' moderate' muslims) to pervert Islam...attacking the sharia rules is one tactic adopted...
I've only been a member of the QL forum for a few months and in that time there have been enumerable discussions about Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc and any time I haven't understood something I HAVE LOOKED IT UP ON THE INTERNET. Why? Because I WANT to be educated about what is being said and find out more for myself.
I have learnt stuff I had forgotten about my own religion let alone learnt something about others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh
There you go! Easy, isn't it.
PM don't even go there. I do know that we so called scholars of limited knowledge take what real Islamic Scholars have spent there whole life studying and will never claim to fully understand it. We can easily discount it and try to discredit it based upon our own limited knowledge.
It is like telling an Electrical Engineer how too solve a complex equation when I can just barely add and don't know calculus. I have read about it though and can give my honest to god opinion that what the electrical engineer is trying to do is rubbish based upon the equation not being made up of numbers but letters and funny symbols.
What is Fiqh? :-)
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Stealth you said...
"There is a law and that has to be implemented. Whether you like it or not. Being a Muslim you have certain rules and regulations that you have to follow and the punishments have been prescribed."
Well as has been pointed out she may have broke the the law of Saudi, but that is a man made law, other muslim states do not make it illegal to be in the presence of a non related male, therefore they are not muslim rules and regulations deemed by the Quran; evidently people on QL do not 'like it' and have every right to speak out against these Saudi man made laws.
and Knox...
"My point is you cannot take bits and pieces and leave the harsher stuff from a religion"
A just and loving god would not impose these harsh measures on people, and if he does then its a god that is not worth praising. The 'harsh' bits, as you call them, are made by men for control and have no place in a peaceful religion.
Anyway it's a system of injustice based on bronze age myths burdening society. She is being punished by old men who believe in a supernatural sky daddy they cant even prove or profess to know exists. Poor girl.
When are people going to wake up!
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
How many Muslims actually understand Shariah law? It is strange how many Muslims jump on the bandwagon of Islamist this and banish Shariah law based upon media reports. The reality is that many of these things are based more on cultural or tribal rules or laws more so than Shariah.
Act your age not your shoe size
IMHO, any form of violence towards another living thing is abhorrent. That goes for the pre-meditated form of physical punishment and murder meted out by penal systems too.
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But it won't change anything. Does it make you feel better to call me a coward? will the world be a better place for it?? you don't know me at all! I think of you as a lot of things but I know when to keep my mouth shut! :-) anyway, I'm saying it like it is so you can either take it or leave it. Simple as that!
Bajesus, whatever happened, the girl dosnt deserve to be whipped, let alone stoned to death. Are you mad
"only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun"
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PM the point is not just Hudood Laws. Do you remember the uproar in Pakistan when Musharraf tried to change the Hudood Ordinance on pressure from the West?
Do you think flogging is a justified punishment or is it also cruel.
My point is you cannot take bits and pieces and leave the harsher stuff from a religion.
I will explain later why society becomes barbaric. Right now I have to go
I know ladies like to get upset and all sanctified about such issues but as was discussed when this first came out over a year ago women do lie sometimes. I had a friend's ex who was mad at him and accused me of rape even though all I did was help her drunk, sorry behind keep from getting beat up by his current girlfriend. So she figured she would get back at him by getting me in trouble so if he had not made up with her I could have ended up in jail based upon someone's lie or bad police work. Kind of like the many people in the US being released after the DNA evidenced has proved them innocent but it is kind of difficult to have 10-15 years of your life taken away.
Diamond girl how can you say a backwards judicial system. I prefer a Shariah judicial system versus any other system. I would like you to the US and see how many people are in jail based on skin color,race, or financial ability rather than guilt. The funny thing is they only interpreted the law on the books and people get upset at the Judges. It was on the defense to prove their case and they did not so they went to the media. You can't try a case in the media and I would be scared of any judicial system which changed it viewpoint on the laws based on public opinion and not the laws that are set. Hmmmm kind of like how they used to convict African Americans say it in the media and convict them there so you dont have to do any work in court.
She broke the law also. They only told one side which was she was raped and convicted to the lashes. They did not say fully how they found out she was raped. They gave only propaganda details to make people sympathetic and to put pressure on the judges. I would like to see the full investigation paperwork and the court transcripts before I would make any leap to judgement about the Judges or the judicial system in Saudi. We all know the media never lies and of course lawyers never lie.
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You seem to forget that none of us were there! we didn't know what happened! Why jump to conclusions??
My point is...EMPATHY.
You are in a position to say what you think is right or wrong. You are and you should and you must.
Stoning is not done by Allah, it is done by a very few of mankind.
So if you are not in a position to say what is right or wrong then you are on the fence about everything. That is a cowardly copout.
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Pretty upset myself PM. And very dismayed right now to be sharing a world with people who would consider themself to be a good and kind and also not against stoning...I mean...pre-meditated murder. _______________________________________________________
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...in the eyes of Islam. It's upto Allah. Besides, my mother and sisters wouldn't commit adultery so what's you're point?
And NO I am NOT for it. Why is it so hard to believe that I'm neutral?
There is a law and that has to be implemented. Whether you like it or not. Being a Muslim you have certain rules and regulations that you have to follow and the punishments have been prescribed.
When I started this thread, did not expect it would result in such debate. My intentions were to simply post an update on an issue that was discussed earlier in QL and as appeared today in Gulf Times.
Anyhow, still have the feeling that there is something fishy. Also, a mistake does not justify another mistake. Being a lady having an affair or even being a hooker, does not justify her rape. Hence, the two issues are completely seperate.
in Jordan lost most of their seats during the recent elections.
In Palestine, Hamas is loosing its public support
Sorry, Bajesus, if you are not against her being stoned then you are for it.
If you are not against her being stoned would you stand and watch? If you don't want to stand and watch then you must feel that it is not right.
You cannot be neutral about this.
What if it were your mother, sister? Would you be against seeing them being pelted with rocks to the face and chest, bloodied all over, slowly slipping away into death?
C'mon man. where's your compassion?
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its the truth.
Personally, I'm against any kind of death penalty, I just don't think as humans we have the right to take another's life, regardless of the crimes committed. Besides death penalty is the easy way out for them, instead let them rot in jail.
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...I'm saying I'm neutral! I'm neither with or against it. If that makes me a ghoul so be it.
I'm afraid I have to consider you some kind of ghoul, which I didn't think you were, because that's how I think of people who can condone stoning someone to death.
Sorry, but I find it very hard to even think about such an atrocity being done to another human being or even an animal.
Signing off now cos it's supper time soon.
Salaam
"Do you REALLY want to see hudood laws enacted here? They include very harsh punishments for adultry, sex outside of marriage and homosexuality. Do you really think people deserve STONING for these things?"
I don't even think they deserve the DEATH penalty for those things, let alone death by stoning! UGH
Nice poem PM. Very apt when seen in terms of people being afraid to speak out for others.
But I'm still not against stoning. Nor do I support it. I'm neutral.
No Knox, those who do such things are the cruel and ignorant people.
Please, please, please, everyone, do not call these 'honour' killings. There is no honour in this.
It makes me sick to my stomach.
The world should be well past these primitive, cruel violent actions.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=452288&in_page_id=1811
those who did it are the common people.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=452288&in_page_id=1811
those who did it are the common people.
stoning is like getting the death penalty. Some people deserve the death penalty.
Pah! Anyone in their right mind MUST know that stoning people is disgusting! No matter WHAT they've done.
That's all I can say - totally barbaric. I find it incredible that it's allowed to continue, I really do!
the punishment for adultery for a married person is stoning and for an unmarried one is lashes.
I can get the views of many recognized imams who are in favor of stoning.
lashes muslim people for drinking. So you can have a pretty good idea.
Shariah
as well.
All these people are elected by the public.
Wanna look at Qatar's municipal elections?
"For committing adultery not only men but women in saudi arabia would opt for stoning as a punishment."
Umm...who gets the stoning? the woman or the man, or both???
how did you come about those comments?? were there studies done by the people?? Because..if they were, do you trust the results, since women have no voice in that country???
This is total jibber jabberish...what's been done is wrong and someone is trying to make it"look right" at the expense of this woman...
In Kuwait islamists have won
Palestine same result
Bahrain same result
Pakistan same result
Ah, Knox...still walking on the darker side of human nature. That must be so draining...or do you thrive on it?
So now you are the vox pop of the Saudi and Afghan nations?
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Even today if they hold a general referendum in Saudi Arabia everyone is gonna vote for the Shariah Laws to be implemented.
The islamists are still pretty much in power wherever they have experimented with democracy. So whatever you say may apply to you but the people of Saudi Arabia dont want your laws so you can keep em.
For committing adultery not only men but women in saudi arabia would opt for stoning as a punishment.
This should clear up the whole confusion. Its the same in Aghanistan.
These are not my opinions these are the opinions of the general public of the oppressed people.
It's up there with Myanmar. North Korea too, but the government has successfully brainwashed the people so not sure how they feel about their country.
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she was forced into confessing an affair to ease her husband's "embarrassment" of having his wife raped..confess to having an affair, the courts are justified in punishing her, husband is such a martyr for staying by her side...something tells me there's a LOT more to this story than is what's printed...
No one, and I mean no one, deserves to be punished for being raped...amigo...you surprised me with your comment about "offering" herself up to the other men...no woman in her right mind would EVER do that...especially when she goes and reports the rape, afterward..doesn't add up, folks...
I've met plenty of Saudi Girls who party in Bahrain too. Frankly I don't think I've ever seen a place that less represents the wants of its people.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Ugh! Can't imagine living in a place where I'm treated less than human. It's awful and actually very hypocritical because Islam values women, unlike Saudi which "pretends" to be following Islamic law (only on women ofcourse), while the boys are in Bahrain partying like crazy.
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong :P - Garfield
Saajidh, I read your earlier post...and it wasn't a 'priviledge' in your words to read that you think she should be punished...be it 90 or 200 lashes.
I think that is an awful punishment.
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Yes Corne, don't you realize that you aren't a human being.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
So her husband reports rape, she gets punished for getting raped and then for telling the media ?? So she was supposed to act like nothing happened, get lashed and go home cook dinner ?! My God! And I don't think she would be trying to commit suicide if it were consensual sex, so I really think she was raped.
And why aren't the guys who committed the crime being lashed ??? Islamic law just applies to women or what ?!
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Well thank you for the compliment abut my country. I guess it's all about balance. I do think that HH the Emir listens to his people. That means he has to consider all opinions and try to strike a balance. That takes wisdom.
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DG, Qatar is light years ahead of Saudi, and I believe if it was up to HH the Emir it would be light years ahead of anywhere else in the Gulf, especially in regards to Women's rights...however he does have a conservative contingent that he needs to tip toe around. :(.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Not really obviously. Physical punishment is rubbish, just to make myself clear.
Oh sorry Corne, according to reports from months ago, her husband reported the rape after she told him what happened after she attempted suicide.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
I dont think you had the privilege of readin my earlier post...
I absolutely condone the raping and if it were in my hands, i would cut their dicks off or hang them in an open ground to deter such thoughts by any other man...
but all I am sayin is that she cannot be let off the hook jus coz she was raped... she has to be punished for her offense of have illegal marital relations, which is against the law in any land!
and very much against the law in a Islamic state...
And i dont have to be Allah to call a haram deed a haram one!!! its clearly stated in the religion, if you know the religion, then it is pretty clear!
Personally I think rapists should have their heads cut off. Just not the one on their necks.
I mean, I really don't know where to start with Saudi. Women can't drive, women must wear abaya, etc...Y'Allah!
My own country, although a much better place for a human to live than Saudi, is still very much in need of change in some areas.
Insha'Allah we will have the compassion, the wisdom and the strength to do that.
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DG, there are crazy men with distorted views of what creates peace all of the world, they don't need to be Islamic they just need a "cause"
Corne, the husband NEVER reported. This is "New" information after a lot of critcism from the International community. In other words it's crap.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
So did her husband report the affair or the rape ?
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong :P - Garfield
Yes, G, one would think in this day and age of highly develped penal systems there is a better way than to chop, behead and lash.
Unfortunately there are some pretty crazy men in Saudi in positions of authority who have a distorted view of peaceful Islam.
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Pretty easy for him to go back to the dark ages eh DG. All he needs to do is cross the border into Saudi. :P
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Go back to the Dark Ages you sad little narrow minded man.
Only a sicko would think that it is OK to punish and lash someone in her situation.
P.S. It is not for you to say who is and is not a Muslim. Are you Allah?
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Amazing what a fine line it is between Shariah law and blatent human rights violations.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
if you believe that being in a state of undress with a man who is not related to you is okay.. first, u are not a muslim, second, you come from a FREE society which is against muslim society , religion, Quran and the sunnah! so people with this mindset cannot conform into a muslim state!
could you imagine having to be THAT woman who has to make a stand against rape?
No matter what, it is always made to be your fault. I am so thankful for the strong women who have braved the fight and not backed down from reporting rape. It is because of women like them that most of the women (and men) today are able to freely report rape and receive the justice they deserve.
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Also, as so many people point out when I try to defend the West by quoting news agencies, who the hell believes the news? And who the hell believes the Saudi government. I'd believe a schizophrenic homeless person before I would EVER believe anything the Saudi government would say.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Thanks PM :) - you know I am so glad I wasn't born in some countries with their attitude towards women.....
I am blessed by the lucky stars that I was entitled to equal education and equality under the law and that my opinion and views count.
these women who try to standup just absolutely humble me... they are amazing.
Gypsy it is worse than a s**t hole to be treated like that. It is a latrine with corpses in - it is hell ----- if that is meant to be justice!
I sincerely hope there is a judgement they and those who judged this lady will finally meet their maker.
Amigo IF by some stretch of the imagination this is what she did do (and I highly doubt this, since this is the first we've heard of an adultry confession and other articles say she told after she attmpted suicide) then that is still just as bad, that she lives in such a S*it hole of a country that she has to resort to that so she won't be physically punished for having consensual sex.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Well, we can certainly complain about women being denied basic human rights. If no-one speaks up then it will not change.
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Maybe the Saudi court is simply following the procedure laid down by the Ismalic Sharia. Surely courts in Saudi Arabia ought to know about Sharia, as it started in KSA?
When I was living in Jeddah, it seemed to me that women were second class citizens (or not really citizens at all). I remember seeing a husband in the front of the family car, repeatedly hitting his wife and a policeman was standing by, watching it happen. (Yes, I watched it happen too and I still feel guilty about not doing anything.) So maybe you cannot complain about this particular incident without seeing it in the broader context of women being denied basic human rights in Saudi Arabia.
I agree, something just doesn't quite add up. I am getting the impression that one of the rapists comes from a powerful family, cause this case is a little off...
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She reminds me of that brave lady in Pakistan that stood up to a vile legal system.
PM - I agree it just doesn't add up at all....
it stinks like an old whiffy herring down a drain pipe next to a sewerage works with dead rats around it and cats vomit near by.
If that is the Saudi judicial systems way of saving face I'd say it has backfired as it has drawn even more attention to the case. Ha!
Not to forget the poor lawyer who had his/her licence revoked.
Pathetic.
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what I want to know is why is it so hard for the court system to admit that this girl was wronged?? What is wrong with them saying, yes, she was raped?
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Ha! If in doubt, resort to abstract conceitedness and then retreat to silence, old man. I hope its guilt that's caused it. Seriously, think about what you’re saying. Does it not jar with your morality even slightly?
If your version of the realities of life involves defending gang rape then I think I have an all-too clear image of your mentality. If having sympathy with a young woman who has been subjected to possibly the most horrific ordeal imaginable is naive, then I’ll be proud to be naive and so I’m sure would anyone with any real element of conscience.
Such things happens to men too, incidentally. Let's hope, should you ever be involved, it’s on the receiving end. Then maybe we can hope for a slightly more sympathetic analysis.
Starseed, you're missing my point. Please see my last comment above re why she was punished.
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NOt giving my opinion one way or the other... we cannot assume anything but, I think Amigo is just playing devil's advocate here.. not every rape case victim is innocent...
Where there is smoke there is usually fire...
in questioning the credebility of the woman who is found in a compromising position with another guy before being allegedly raped. Also She does not report the crime to the authorities untill she gets cornered by her husband.
U better have ur cookies n ur milk young man.You r too young and naive to discuss the true realities of life. End of my posts for this topic.
The art of being wise is to know what to overlook.
Whether you believe she was raped or not is up to you Amigo66. I choose to believe her. The point is the ridiculous punishment she was given for being in a car with someone who was not her relative, then that punishment being increased when she talkes to the media.
It is only by brave women like her speaking out against her punishment that there will be any hope for these archaic laws to be reviewed.
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Amigo66: your definition of the art of wisdom is very, very similar to a guideline to being ignorant and bigoted, as highlighted by your posts. Honestly, your thoughts are sickening.
I wonder if this element of Saudi law fits within Kim Howells vision of Britain and Saudi's 'shared values.'
Joe
got stuck.
The art of being wise is to know what to overlook.
How come u r so sure she was raped and she did not offered to have sex with those guys just to escape punishment (as she was in a compromising position with the other guy). I think she is just trying to save her skin now also by calling rape. Those guys have denied the allegation ( thats why the punishment is not so harsh)
The art of being wise is to know what to overlook.
How come u r so sure she was raped and she did not offered to have sex with those guys just to escape punishment (as she was in a compromising position with the other guy). I think she is just trying to save her skin now also by calling rape. Those guys have denied the allegation ( thats why the punishment is not so harsh)
The art of being wise is to know what to overlook.
How come u r so sure she was raped and she did not offered to have sex with those guys just to escape punishment (as she was in a compromising statement with the other guy). I think she is just trying to save her skin now also by calling rape. Those guys have denied the allegation ( thats why the punishment is not so harsh)
The art of being wise is to know what to overlook.
to me, it seems as if the courts or maybe even Saudi society are using any excuse to justify what happened to this little girl rather than face the fact that she was brutally raped. I guess it is easier that way??
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Amigo did you just justify these guys raping her??????
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Me too, Jasskat, the whole thing sickens me :(
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It really upsets me the way it seems like the court is justifying her
rape...
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But what is irritating is that some people without knowing all the details jump to conclusions. Those guys should have called the police and handed the woman and the man over.period.
When these type of people get caught in the act in such parts of the world or wherever they tend to bribe the other party( in this case I am sure by offering herself) just to get a let off(which she did get). Why cud she not get a divorce from her husband and have sex or whatever she was looking for from the other guy in the first place.
Sorry ladies but it takes two to clap.
The art of being wise is to know what to overlook.
Saajidh, there is no reason whatsoever to punish someone who committed adultery by physically harming them.
These primitive punishments show that a backward juducial system exists.
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I apologise for jumping to conclusion. Sorry.
I'm most certainly being sarcastic.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Pardon me Gypsy. If you are being sarcastic it makes lots of sense otherwise it is just horrible !!!
Yes, how dare she have consentual sex. She deserves everything she gets.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
It's all very convenient now isn't it. Wait, wait, we forgot - she cheated.
I feel that the women should definitely be punished for committing adultery. be it 90 or 200 lashes... whatever so...
BUT the b**tards had no right to rape her... according to Islamic law, they should be killed or have their dicks cut out.
How can they say that there is not enough evidence and still sentence them between 2 - 9 years.. if there isnt enough evidence they should be let go scot free... it jus shows that the justice system is trying to cover their backs!
Actually, considering it happened in Saudi, it's a wonder she wasn't sentenced to being stoned to death for committing adultery! Although I guess her husband forgave her and that negates that type of sentence.
It's all a very messy state of affairs whatever the truth of it is :(
What!!! The Justice Ministry is now trying to defend itself saying that she confessed to adultery. And that is supposed to justify the ridiculous punishment meted out to her?
The world should have moved on now from these horrendous punishments. I cannot criticise them strongly enough for what they have done. Dark ages indeed.
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isnt this the same story we were discussing on another thread?
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morning babe.another sad story.
makes me speakless.
and lets me see once again how thankful all females could be about the freedom they have here in Europe.
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*Create your own destiny,fighting against your dark sides,raise your
spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.
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How terrible.