Fire in ALDEERA souq

hahahaha.........getting hot

and that's how he/she will be depicted/judged by other posters as a QLER. He/she's free to say what he wants.

What caused this fracas is one's perception/comprehension of what was actually written...

thus FREEDOM of SPEECH could invoked in this matter.

One can find it funny...thus 'black/dark humor'

One would perceive it as offensive...because of belief, religion...etc

One would mince it and attach it to another topic making it catastrophic when its really...in actuality NOT! (my opinion)

HOWEVER the response of another poster of bodily harm is UNCALLED FOR...but this poster could be a troll, perhaps?

who also got death threats because she offended the locals due to a very current events she criticise?

I don't agree either about it, but it their mentality. You stir the burning fire, take the heat. As I said, two subject Moza in a wrong time make a "black humor" will create such reaction.

I rememeber you threatening me also with harm through your husband when I made a comment which I also based on your comment! And I did apologize, on board and personally. But did you ever apologize for the threat? No.

Nomerci, the issue is Moza not the second comment. Now for the second comment, Ok, I agree, he needs to apologize, so what, you wait for him first before Moza admit her mistake?

Actually a bit bored of this now, I'll probably go to another site and threaten someone with a crucifixion or stoning as they dare to say Madonna is a better performer than Lady Gaga.......

And stealth, in your opinion, that warrants death threats?

And how exactly did I violate something?

when your aim is to stir up trouble then be ready to face the consequences. The words that are used at the wrong place at the wrong time is the source of most of the troubles.

first violator here is mimh. if you want rules to be applied then apply it fairly. not according to your whims and fancies....

That those of us defending MIMH have not told the likes of flor or wirehead etc to apologise for any offence against free speech that we may feel. No, we are quite content for you to say your piece. The line is crossed when physical threats are imposed (and to a lesser extent denying sonmeone their say)as a reponse to a spoken/written comment.

We are being logically consistent.

Flor, what this person did is not only against QL guidelines, it is also unacceptable.

every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Fire and the dress debate. So that makes it provocative!

this is a virtual world. And you should know the playing field. You are in Qatar!

Actually not even an attempt!

The comment was only provocative in your opinion...and some others. If some of us did not find it provocative then how can 'The Comment'be objectively provocative?

No Flor, IMHO moza has nothing to apologize for. If being distasteful was a reason for apology, I'd say there is not ONE QL user who does not have to apologize.

I am with adey on this one.

What I find VERY disturbing is that the person threatening to burn and kill another user is, seemingly, tolerated on QL.

Yes flor, that defence is often used in murder cases.

Yes your honour i did kill him but he started it, he used some bad words.

Oh, why didn't you say. Case dismissed!

An apology is defo in order. From the one who threatened with bodily harm.

I see this person has not been banned by the Moderators. I also realize that QL has become disturbingly one sided. But is QL now tolerant to death threats to its users?

Wow, this is an all time low for QL.

but not Moza first?

It's a bit sad really, the meaning wasn't hidden it was a reposte to the dress unsluttly campaign being waged.

However I do like how you bring perception into it, of course one persons perception is their reality. When you use that logic you can infer offence into pretty much everything!

stirring something of a subject dearly debated nowadays.

The second comment was uncalled for definitely but that is just a reaction from your provocative comment. You started it.

Many commented against the second comment also but where did it all begun?

i do love black humor. a joke can be dark but still within the bounds common decency. but i don't think moza's is. hers is simply distateful. cynicism and sarcasm is different from being tactless and offensive. i don't believe there's malicious intent though. just mindless rambling.

your view.

It's the current events. But of course you will reason back. So no use, we leave it this way. Encourage "black humor"?

Did she meant really as black humor or you're the one saying it. You accused others of relating it to current events and yet you want to relate it also as "black humor". Are we not both entitled to our perception?

If you want an example of what I mean look no further than the first guy. You think it's offensive because of the fire but he is upset at the burn all abayas, he couldn't care less about the people that died in the fire but god forbid women are not correctly dressed.

And gold star goes to Adey.......

No flor, no apology because you start with one and the next time someone objects to something (that would be every second thing i write) you say they are demanding another apology. Then apologies turn into witch hunts and before you know it, we are all screaming for the perpetrator to be killed or to be made an example of.

As whatever one posts may offend someone.Someone may find all your posts offenssive, does that mean you have to show restraint all the time, and not post? No, of course not, that's just silly. Bt all means critise, make your feeling known, but you, I and everyone do not have a right to be protected from offence.

Everyone has the right to feel offended, everyone has the right to give offence - but it is the intent that matters.

There was no malicious intent by MIMH. In fact there was not even a link to the Villagio fire, as this was about something else......that link was dremprt up/imagined by someone else. No one can be held responsible for the imaginings of every Tom, Dick or Harry.

Where the line is crossed is when someone incites or blatently threatens physical harm on someone.That's a tangable threat and not mixed up with the vaguries of offence and taste.

"sorry for those who got offended" finish. Black humuor also offends some, not all definitely (like you). But what about the others who are offended. What about those victims family in the Vilaggio tragedy, the wounds are still fresh, do you think they will see it as black humor? Being sensitive to the feeling others will not downgrade you a little. Will a sorry meant so much to her as to the hurt she inflicted to those offended parties?

Joke is a joke. We all make one, but again, be sensitive. Practice restraint.

She uses a perfect example of 'Black humour' and has noyhing to apologise for.

From Wiki on Black Humour:

The term black humor (from the French humour noir) was coined by the Surrealist theoretician André Breton in 1935 to designate a sub-genre of comedy and satire in which laughter arises from cynicism and skepticism, often relying on topics such as death

In black humor, topics and events that are usually regarded as taboo, specifically those related to death, are treated in an unusually humorous or satirical manner while retaining their seriousness; the intent of black comedy, therefore, is often for the audience to experience both laughter and discomfort, sometimes simultaneously.

The purpose of black comedy is to make light of serious and often taboo subject matter, and some comedians use it as a tool for exploring vulgar issues, thus provoking discomfort and serious thought as well as amusement in their audience.

Black comedy might include an element of irony, or even fatalism.

jus playing MOD .Thats all.Must be exciting .

Mandilulur,

Do you call something that is good for some but not acceptable for a few a "culture"?

It's hard for me -as a human being- to acknowledge those things lacking any consistency.

people are so angry in this topic. A joke is simply a joke it could be a bad joke, so just ignore it :).

lol...they never learn,do they?

InHABited! Jeeze!

Mandi

In the West one of the things most valued is the FREEDOM OF SPEECH to be allowed to voice your difference of opinion.

You have abused that right, to threaten to Kill mozaismyhero and to want to burn her alive.

You are the one with the Satan Inhibited Mind and you should banned from this forum and the use of this website.

Hi Mozaismyhero,

I just want you to know as a person and as a woman I fully respect your point of view and your right to freedom of speech and it appalls me for another person particularly a man to state how he wants to kill you.

Take care of yourself,

Mick

well moza isn't exactly the paragon of reason and righteousness. it is truly in bad taste and disrespectful to joke about fires that have been happening lately. but it is even more distasteful to justify a stupid comment with feminist rhetoric and pathetic attempts to seem liberal.

yep, i'm calling it stupid again. for some reason i can't find any other word to describe moza's thinking. never quite forgave her for the dogs and asians comment. i don't think i'll ever take her seriously anytime soon.

distasteful or with malice?

just admit your first comment is wrong!

I may have the body of a feeble woman but I have a mind the equal of any man and one much greater than those men of Intolerance and ignorance. We shall prevail, no matter who tries to curtail our freedoms or step on our dreams.

YOU want to be the driving force for the women in this region! FOR WHAT? You make me smile Moza!

I watched the video. And please top saying some wants to silence you! You have to stop posting offensive comments like your first comment here, that's all.

Your wild imagination is getting over your head.

I do not need a man to protect me but the misogynist theme that runs through some of you is disturbing and explains why women in this region have been held back for so long.

As for you flor you obviously didn't watch the video on the enemies thread. Do I think I have man enemies? No. Do I think a small minority of bigots and oppressors want to silence me? Yes.

are ou her husband jd? or an alter ego?

I'm telling her that her comment is offensive. Her arrogance is beyond her. Look at her other thread, she thinks she has many enemies. Wild imaginations.

nd let the mozah bashing begin .. grow up you all ..

no doubt about it, precisely Qatar is what is now. If there were no changes, we are back what is the condition 10 or 20 years ago.

But believe me, certain traditions or cultural matters and perspective will remain and I'll bet a century may not be enough to change it!

No, not overnight. I believe that the sons and daughters of the people with whom I work may begin to see a difference. And invited? Try recruited? Enticed? Begged?

Mandi

overnight? I really don't know if I will laugh or pity your line of thinking.

To come here to change them? My golly! Who are you?

being "invited"?

What is education if not to change local thinking and by consequence local culture? You can't invite a bunch of foreigners onto your land and expect everything to stay the same.

How funny! Some of us think we were invited here precisely to change the local culture. Oh, well, I've been delusional before.

Mandi

imposing your will in a foreign land would always be received with reservations.

And what puzzle me is we as expats went here to work and not mess with the local policies. Imposing our will and trying to change the culture of this region will always be dealt negatively by the locals.

Fathimah, it was always there...it is just blatantly obvious now. As I said, it is neither your nor my fight...let them be.

Flor, looking at what is and has been going on here, I'd say 98 % of Westerners would have much harsher things to say if that would not get them deported. I am not speaking, in any way ,for those 98% mentioned, JMHO and what I have heard and read lately in other places than QL.

Shukran! Will sure try not to. Just can't help pondering over how did it get this bad? Death threats and that too violent 'uns in the main forum!!

not all Western people are saying bad about Islam, only few BUT they are very noisy creating an impression that they are many and that they are GOOD. Actually, there is not much problem really if any party practice restraints.

One or two cases involving a western getting into trouble in the region or a GCC person having trouble in the WEST are just being magnified here by some as if it was the general thing!

Fathimah, you are more than welcome. and please, do not let it get to you, it is not your or my fight...let those who are in it bear the burden.

In that case can I come sit with you? I'll accept the refreshments but will not be watching the fights for the fear of dying of depression =(

To me it seems there is a war raging on QL. Muslims against Western people.

I will be watching from the side lines supplying refreshments. :)

Like seriously? What is the world coming too! You threaten to burn a person alive for a comment about abayas being burnt by people against the "Article 57" ??Audubillah!

But I agree with Flor, given the fact that it's just been a few weeks since the Villagio tragedy and many of us are yet to recover from the shock and trauma of it all,and the ongoing paranoia and fear about safety, jokes about any occurring fires is bound to bring about negative reactions, and not everyone will be all matured and tolerant. The old saying comes to mind "there is a time and place for everything"

Still doesn't warrant death threats though!!

uncalled for BUT maybe out of anger which is more reasonable than a your first comment. And remember, it's a reaction to what you commented. So unless you say sorry, this angry people will not be pacified or think otherwise towards you. You are creating a very bad image and something need to be done about it.

The funniest bit is his user name is guiding u 2 to the truth. Obviously that truth is death threats, killing, intolerance and arrogance. I'm thinking probably something I don't want to be guided to.....

Besides, it's "inhabited."

Mandi

mods seems to let moza get away with it each time.

hahahahaha.........an angry dog

my complain is making a joke out of the incident!

and not the abaya. But you made a joke of the fire and connect it to something about women clothing.

Was that hard to understand?

Check you comment, you're subject is what?

It's funny none of these people complain about the thread making fun of Americans or the Brits or even a French wife, posts about egyptian elections or crazy eygptian drivers but wow be disrespectful to a piece of clothing and suddenly everything I say is apparently anti Qatar and and anti Islam.

You my friends are the ones with your eyes covered. There are people in this world that have different views to you, you really need to get used to it. So much hate for people that are different to you. Please show some tolerance.

by not making a joke of the fire is a small thing already. That's the least I can do, what about you?

ur freedom stops where other's freedom begins......

freedom of speech???

is there any single thread of mozais giving some respect to islam and the country....>!!!!!

What DID you DO, flor, other then spilling words?

I see that you care, flor. Sitting in front of your computer and lamenting. Cool. That's what I call "care".

Moza's comment was disrespectful indeed but it is not the only sign of disrespect and/or intolerance in this website.

Can we start somehow a honest effort in order to erradicate this?

Be my guest.

you don't care about the victims, right?

Lots of 'holy' people on QL it seems. Holier than holy, to be precise.

uncalled for, you are in denial and your critics will be more.

Say sorry and it will pass. Is that hard to admit? Nowadays, anything about fire is not be joke upon! Death of 19 people will remain in everyone minds so let some longer times passed and maybe normalcy will come soon.

Abayas are a belief system! You guys are being ridiculous.

Kindly respect each other and don't abuse any one or one's beliefs; saying it freedom of speech!

whether it's a joke or not, restraint should be practice by everyone.

I remember MRST comment after the Villagio Fire and we all condemned his thread.

Thing is.. people are just too scared after the villagio fire .. before they used to make some efforts to putt off the fire .. but now, they just call civil defense for even a burning paper

Read his profile.... which is probably fake...

Underage Qatari Programmer?

This is more likely one of MIMH's haters.... with a new ID;-p

No idea. Perhaps there were two fires?

Are you talking about Souq Ali?

Love the death threats, it's the sign of a modern tolerant society.

It's the same attitude that says i can drive how I like its my country and that does,actually lead to killing people. Maybe you'll get lucky when driving recklessly and hit my car and kill me.

He sounds like 'Ahmed, the Dead Terrorist'.

"I will kill you"

"I will burn you alive"

hahahahahahahaha..........search a good 'day care center' through QL for your future

guidingu2thetruth said "I will burn you alive, you nonsense then there is no more satan inhibited mind here"

Hummm "then there is no more satan inhibited mind here" I think you may need to kill a few more to achieve this.

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=512752&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16

y dnt u take the first step and we all follow u

It’s freedom of speech.. And the police can’t actually do anything unless the he shows up on Moza’s door step and put bullet to her devil advocating brain.

some people really need to know how to take a joke .... GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY !!! BAHAHAHAHAHA !! thats funny as hell lmao... I tried to but my employer wont let me

Infact it is true I was there around 1800hrs all traffic diverted back. It seems to me no hurts except that shop partially blazed.

Are we back on the track: Qatar is safe, Qatar is beautiful, fires only happen in other countries? Everything bad comes from the West? Surely. But why the hell does everybody here buy the stuff from the bad West? Get rid of your cars, ride camels again. Please. Make Qatar what it once was. No mobiles. Malls! Decadent western invention. Real Qataris HATE malls. Don't they?

we don't want see like this fake news @ early morning.......

No talk NO mistakes, incase you don't understand the topic its better to keep your fingers inside your pocket than above your kboard, even it is jokes you should not say something that hurts Islam.

please delete this thread. Oh and you might want to warn a certain poster that threating to kill another poster is against the rules.

you are not only tactless but also disrespectful!

that's disrespectful moza...

I will burn you alive, you nonsense then there is no more satan inhibited mind here

You bloody fool mozaismyhero get the hell out of my country

I will kill you

Maybe it's a backlash against the anti clothing campaign. Burns all abayas..