Experiment could destroy the World!
Enough of the wishy washy postings.. Get your heads round this..
Biggest-ever experiment to unlock secrets of Big Bang could cause end of the world, say scientists in court bid to halt it
It has cost more than £4billion and is designed to unlock the secrets of the Big Bang.
But rather than providing vital information about the beginning of life, the world's biggest experiment could cause the end of the world.
Scientists fear that the Large Hadron Collider - due to be switched on in just nine days' time - will create a mini-black hole that could swallow the planet.
The Large Hadron Collider smashes particles together nearly at the speed of light
By smashing sub-atomic particles together at speeds close to the speed of light, the LHC aims to recreate the conditions that existed a fraction of a second after the Big Bang, shedding light on the building blocks of life.
But critics claim that the 'time machine' which is housed deep underground near Geneva could instead spawn a shower of mini-black holes.
Within just four years, one of these 'celestial vacuums' could have swollen to such a size that it is capable of sucking the Earth inside-out, said Otto Rossler, one of a group of scientists mounting a last-minute court challenge against the project.
They claim the experiment violates the right to life under the European Convention of Human Rights.
Professor Rossler, a German chemist, said the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, or CERN, has admitted its project create black holes but doesn't consider them to be a risk.
He warned: 'My own calculations have shown it is quite plausible that these little black holes survive and will grow exponentially and eat the planet from the inside.
'I have been calling for CERN to hold a safety conference to prove my conclusions wrong but they have not been willing.'
Critics say the LHC could create a black hole which expands until it swallows the Earth
But those involved in the project have dismissed the claims as 'absurd' and insist that extensive safety assessments have found the experiment, which is funded by 20 countries, including the UK, to be safe.
A report written earlier this year stated: 'Over the past billions of years, nature has already generated on Earth as many collisions as about a million LHC experiments - and the planet still exists.'
The life span of any mini-black holes would be 'very short', it added.
CERN spokesman James Gillies said the arguments before the European Court of Human Rights had been answered in 'extensive safety assessments'.
He told the Sunday Telegraph: 'The Large Hadron Collider will not be producing anything that does not happen routinely in nature due to cosmic rays.
'If they were dangerous we would know about it already.'
The most powerful physics experiment ever built, the LHC will attempt to recreate the conditions that existed immediately after the birth of the universe, or the Big Bang.
Beams of protons will be propelled through an 18-mile-long circular tunnel lined with powerful magnets designed to accelerate the tiny particles.
When they reach almost the speed of light, they will be smashed head-on into each other, breaking them into their constituent parts, including, perhaps, the building blocks of the universe.
off to do some research
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Well first, haunted, you can go to the websites of any German University and check out the application requirements. One thing is for sure, the teaching language is German. Secondly, the goal of the experiment is that at an energy level similar to the energy level that existed at the Big Bang, according to e=mcsquared, certain particles are spontaneously created together with their anti-particle. It is expected that very "heavy" (high energetic and short lived) particles will appear, and one of them could be the "predicted" Higgs particle. It is predicted as the particle that adds the property of "mass" to everything. It is not that they are searching for something they don't know. They are searching for something a theory predicts and they want to either verify or falsify the theory. That's what science is about.
lol..... if it's the end of the world, its the end of the world.. but while it's not, think i'll enjoy being here and make the most out of QL-ing....
shedding light on the building blocks of life is a little vague!
Ha! MJ. Always seeing the positive side of things...
so someone who lacks the knowledge what is the goal of this experiment? What are they trying to accomplish by immitating the Big Bang?
if that is the case, i just enjoyed my "last lunch"...? lol
failed because they are unable to test it?
Listening about German university really makes me disgusted with the U.S. As far as I know it is the same with the Scandinavian countries. They provide their citizens with free college education. My country finds it a big money maker.
What a difference it would have made to be raised in Germany! Now at age 38 I'm going for my degree at a distance just for myself. Luckily, I'm enjoying the classes more than gaining points. (Except for college algebra coming up tomorrow, I'm terrified.)
Magic what about international students? Is it really costly for them to study there? (sorry to go off the subject)
haunted, the "attempt" failed. For the last thirty tears String Theory has not been developed to a satisfying degree. Meanwhile it is rejected.
Okay professori is this about string theory? The attempt to discover what makes everything everything? Looking into the very very very very small?
Good night honey!
(Oops, guys...not for you! :P)
Enjoy your "last" meal. Goodnight.
Good night!
Noapte buna!
:-P
Anyway, I'm cookin now, as I'm going to try and fast like the muslims during Ramadan.
MD, always a pleasure!
Drac, :-P again
Goodnight gentlemen!
:)
I think we really need a black hole, QT.
and I have NOC also.:P
:)
Na, I'm not so sure. He already survived for sooo long.
i know..i know..same old story:
- Gran'pa may I have 2 riyals to buy an ice cream?
(You Turncoat!!!! :P)
:)
His false teeth just doesn't do the business anymore!
Your new gran'pa put a map on QL with my secret cave.
Now i have dinner after dinner!
(*spelling M A G I C D R A G O N on my bloody list*)
That could have "bloody" consequences, QT.
My new granpa is! ...and his Uni was around a lot longer than you have been!
:-P
QT, i have all the details on my 400 years old diary!
OK, Grandson.
*sniff*
...but I'll take that advice from you! Thanks! :)
Everything I do, I do for fun, QT. Only so can I be happy. Didn't your grandfather tell you that, too?
Yes, QT. In Germany the Universities are financed by the government. There are no tuition fees. The professors are state employees. Therefore there is no restriction for students. Since five or six years there are some private universities now, but they cannot cope with the public universities. My university was founded in 1.100 AD!!
"...studied Physics for Fun"
What else do you do for "fun"?
...actually, please don't tell me!
lol :-P
Wow!
At most of the academic institutions I used to work at it was not allowed.
Money grabbing idiots! ...and they called themselves lecturers! more like leeches!
...Oh, I don't include myself in that, I voted to open material to ALL students!
I studied physics for fun, QT, while I made my master degree in Economics and Sociology. When you are matriculated in a German University you can attend almost every lecture that is given, with the exception of medicine lectures which have limited capacity by nature. (Not enough dead people to train on).
;-)
maybe you remember, brit, that Einstein said: God doesn't play dice. He was absolutely against Quantum Physics which came up in the 1920s. But I think Hawkins, together with Roger Penrose could prove quite convincing that there is a great deal of probability in what we generally believe to be so solid and reliable. By the way, congrats on those two great British brains. I really admire them. (There are more, of course)
Thanks ... Learnt something new..I remembr a lecture by Hawkings entitled "Does God Play Dice?".. It was quite interesting, but somewhat over my head..
lol, brit, your topics always make sense.
QT: father, husband, lover, friend, man, QLer, Human Being. And they all require profound knowledge in physics. Even music (in my view) is 99 % physics and mathematics. So you'll get there more or less automatically. Or not?
QT, I will surely sleep better
britexpat, what an inhumane thing to say. You are cruel. Anything but those. ANYTHING. *sigh*
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
I look upon it as a public service.. You could always go back to the "Will I find love" threads .. :o)
...just curious as to why you're so knowledgable in these areas.
...eliminated soon enough!
brit, mathematically "yes", practically "no". It would not exist long enough. Hawkins explained that several years ago: tiny (and even big) black holes "evaporate" when they cannot feed. Because the tiny bl. holes in the accelerator are kept by an electro-magnetic field they have nothing to "feed" on. They will just vanish.
Sounds like a text copied verbatim from the House of Yahweh.
And may I take this opportunity to blame Britexpat solely for the chaos thats broken out on QL. If you would just spend more time putting us out of our misery and putting up your threads and less time observing the mania, huh? Too much to ask?? And you too Southland wherever you are.
And can someone please silence that nightmare Paintball. Doing my head in, the lot.
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
So assuming that the scientists can produce a miniscule black hole.. What would that tell us ? Would we be able to measure the mass o this black hole?
lol
...I will check it out though!
QT, if you are interested, this is the best website for curious people
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html
Ye of little faith!
if everything works as scheduled, probably October. But, QL will protect you, so don't worry.
...not!
Sorry, I'm an economist! lol
QT, they knew exactly that it would work. The problem was that the electrical energy needed would be too much. Only with a "super conducting" accelerator ring the initially fed energy could be sustained for the duration of the experiment. Super conducting required to cool the huge magnets that keep the protons on the circle track down to 2 degrees Kelvin (- 272 degrees Celsius). They have been doing the cooling process for the last two or three months and are now about to reach the super conducting temperature level throughout the magnetic ring. And one more thing on the "black holes" If the sun would collapse to a black hole its Schwarzschild Radius would be around 3 km. (That's the radius from which in not even light can escape, hence "black hole"). The black holes which might be generated in the CERN experiment would have Schwarzschild radii smaller than 10 powered negative 27, That's almost twice as small as the diameter of an atom. Now, who would really be afraid of such a tiny thing?
Call me cynical.. When governments sanction 4 billion for research, then they must be looking for future military use solutions...
...so they spent millions devising and building a new one, without really knowing if it'll work.
Good Luck to them I say!
alexa, i'm not leaving anything for those booze loving aliens.
Didn't they have a big particle accelerator in that region.? Is this an upgrade of that ?
I love it, when you guys "apply" physics (without knowing).
...looks like you're in a black hole of your own!
...it is after all, a "black hole"!
dern dun DEEEEERRRN!
Good thing is that under Switzerland.. Ifthe black hole does appear and grow, the supply of Toblerone will be severely diminished..
i'm gonna get sucked to death, can't wait!
wonderful. Reminds me of string theory. They don't fully understand black holes as they are. From what I understood from Astronomy a black hole is unseen and is only discovered because of what is happening around it.
'If they were dangerous we would know about it already.'
Does he promise?
He told the Sunday Telegraph: 'The Large Hadron Collider will not be producing anything that does not happen routinely in nature due to cosmic rays.
Attempting to control and imitate nature. Dangerous? Gee I'll sleep well tonight.
Let's give them a chance to prove it!
Isn't the Higgs Particle a theoretical object ?? Its existence has never been proved..So theoretically, the black holes could survive and cause problems..
Exciting stuff..
...besides, didn't higgs wait 47 or so years for this, and lose his wife due to his dedication?
I think he deserves to prove his theory right even if it takes out the planet!
We're all only killing eachother anyway!
Don't worry, brit. They made provision for "aberrating" protons. They'll force them into a dungeon made of seven meters of solid concrete and steal. There the energy will be absorbed. And "if" they are able to create "black holes" they will be so small that it doesn't matter to matter at all. And to be more precise, they are looking for the "Higgs" particle (Higgs = British physisist). This particle is assumed to apply "mass" to matter. They call it "God's Particle".