Egypt - Police Officer Is Sentenced to Death

You always have to remember to - it is always the big guys that protect themselves and the litlle guys that suffer.

It is not right at all but at the moment the way it is:-)

WE know this - and we applaud it.

What you want and what you will get is years off.

Sad but true.

Cabbage, sorry, inaccurate analysis. It is because we want the "guiltier" tried, we are marching tomorrow in millions.

Understandably they want people to pay for ‘crimes’.

However as usual it is the minions that will pay for the crimes of the people that give the orders.

As usual the 100 people at the bottom of the hierarchy will pay the price of ‘the one’ at the top.

This man may be guilty but the 'others' are far guiltier - but the ‘lower man’ has to pay the ultimate price.

True, brit. However, We will NEVER fully forgive them until they have been tried. Aladly SHOULD be hanged. They've shot dead and ran over my unarmed brothers and sisters, leaving over 900 dead, and about 6000 injured (in 18 days??). Many protesters are left with one eye, blind, or paralyzed. Not to mention thousands of Khalid Said by the old system.

It's even suggested that MOI would change their uniform to appease the nation.

Overall, a lot of good has been materialized, so far, elhamdul'Allah. This land in ours now. I guess it'd take about 2-3 years to stabilize. Egypt 2020 is going to be new Egypt..:)

The March must continue.

Good to hear from you...

Some retribution will take place - it is normal. there are reports that in a reversal of roles, some of the corrupt police are now being harrassed by citizens..

Anyway, just heard the good news that Egypt opening the Rafah border crossing into Gaza...

Britexapt, a bit of correction is due here. We're not seeking any sort of retaliation whatsoever, and scapegoating is not condoned. We're pressing for just, fair, public, civil- non-martial trail.

Moreover, the officer's boss; snake-head OUSTED minister of interior has been initially sentenced to 12 years and fined in millions. All the OUSTED EX-gov is in jail already. Mubarak and his 2 sons are awaiting trial, for high treason and for ordering our killing from Jan 25th-Feb 11.

And no, officers are not that innocent, you should see them now kissing civilians feet to forgive them for their pitch dark record. We're struggling to open a new page with them, after all, there are good officers out there. The good of Egypt is our focus.

Egyptians, see you in Tahrir this Friday, May 27th. The demands of Jan 25th are not fully met, yet. Revolution is far from over.

Where did you guys take my thread :o(

AD, who knows, time will tell.

LP

I read somewhere Hitler was from a small village swabi in subcontinent, where he was known as Gul Khan, he was a Tailor by profession, then he moved to Germany crossing Austria, joined army, where he introduce himself as "Hi Tailor" , later on shortened to Hitler.

nomercy

beauty is in the eyes of beholder, anyway he found what he did, wonder if Elected Liars, Bush and Blair will be treated in same way, who killed many more than Hitler did alone in Germany?

He was rejected by the Academy of Arts in Vienna as "not talented". Then he went to Germany and joined some putschists in Munich. He was arrested and spent one year in jail where he wrote his book "Mein Kampf." In order to become chancellor he changed his Austrian citizenship to German. Guess he was around 30 years old then. So, he was Austrian. And Einstein was German even though the Americans claim him.

AD, he was actually a pretty lousy artist.That's why he switched to politics...nobody was interested in his art...not even the cheap postcards that he painted.

He was a good artist.

And no one can deny it.. Adolf Hitler killed millions of innocent people.. Jews and non Jews as well. He was a cruel man who did not have a shred of humanity in him.

Yes you're right Brit, my bad, these are the countries were it's illegal: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Switzerland.

Given that many of these countries were the most directly effected by the Nazi's and the holocaust it isn't surprising that they have made holocaust denial illegal.

Point is though, in most of the West it is perfectly legal to deny the Holocaust. However as you rightly pointed out, not many people see the need to debate the topic, as the evidence is so overwhelmingly in favour of their having been a Holocaust.

I believe that Holocaust denial is illegal in many more countries of europe.

I am at a loss to understand why we really need to debate the holocaust after all these years.. the issue is not the holocaust itself, but Xenophobia and ethnic cleansing which still occurr today..

Nic will enlighten better, if it is the fault of a certain religion, or if it is written in holy book of a certain religion not to discuss/debate over holocaust?

Why are people under the impression that you can't debate the holocaust in the West? With the exception of Germany and Austria (where holocaust denial is illegal) you are free to discuss the holocaust in every Western country. And people do debate it.

those who believe on freedom of debates and expression in open west, should try to debate over holocaust. Rest everyone knows consequences.

The problem with some people on QL is like Pot calling the Kettle black.

so its all good ;)

Oh yes, I would not want to miss Rizks!

LP,

Rizks and others also have their role in the theatre of a public forum.

We can still debate once and a while at least while the bobcorn and bebsi and our debate entertain them enough to allow us participate.

Remember that this is Qatar and QL’s forum participants are mainly bored in Qatar ;)

Nic, yeah. Actually I wasn't much surprised from what went on here. I know a few guys personally, and - what do you say - they are pretty different on the beach. However, sometimes some hidden features shine through their comments. But since there are 6.5 billion people, I always am prepared for 6.5 billion different opinions, or individual truths. And some, of course, are 'hard-liners'. Brainwashed by their culture and family. They have a brain, but they can't find the power button to switch it on. There is no way to help them, unless you are Jesus. But I am not willing to land on the cross for their rescue!

That's right - for you.

LincolnPirate

As good as it can gets in Qatar, a few things here and there such as:

most of the people of a certain religion are unable to step out of the box of that religion and criticize it. Certain believes are coercively engraved, making it impossible for the individual to separate himself from those believes, etc, etc, etc...

What about you?

You are one of the few interesting commentators with a free mind set. Provocative but with tact, critical but subtle and sarcastic but humoristic participation.

Do you learn anything here?

Everything I say is the ultimate truth LP. I believe everyone is a figment of my imagination and only exist for my amusement.

You can't prove that, Pilgram. Be fair and say: I think both don't exist." Otherwise it sounds as if it was the ultimate truth.

What's the difference between God and Pink Unicorns? Both don't exist.

You see, Nic? That's what I call 'low level chatting'. Rizks is a master in that. He never says anything offending, but also nothing that means anything. Except when he talks about my missing eye!

my bobcorn and bibsi also finished !

lemme now grab some packets of waterMelon seeds...:(

Hm, I wonder what YOU can learn from QL, Nic?

you see, we debate, we do not always share all opinions and at the end we always reach a consensus!

tinkerbell10,

If hate is the only reaction to a rational debate, it already tells you loads about the opponent and his/hers understanding of his/hers convictions.

Just for the interacting, it was a learning experience, as it always is.

There is no 'safe zone' on a public forum, tinker. If you thought there was one, you'd be mistaken.

LincolnPirate,

Do not expect more from QL, considering its audience.

low level chatting is the core of QL existence. anything more than that is not welcome.

As you said, rarely do we encounter here people that know the rules of debate. Sad but it’s not part of their curriculum and cultural feature, I guess!

tinkerbell10,

We are encouraged to challenge limits, to step out of the comfortable zone and that there are no limits. Only like that you are able to learn new perspectives, new points of views.

On the contrary if you conform all the time, you remain in the safe zone and stimulation of new ideas is limited!

It is 'low level' chatting, I would say. (Just my opinion).

Nic, the rules of a debate are unknown to most people here. Assumptions are not classified as such, they are taken as 'truths'. Opinions are not classified as such, they are taken as universal laws. There are hardly any participants here who care to define the words they are using, ignoring the fact that there are heavy semantic differences depending on one's background, history, culture, and standard of education.

tinkerbell10,

simply to provoke debate, to stimulate thinking, because from that we may learn a few new things.

LincolnPirate,

Me neither, but it’s just for the fun of debating.

When you get to know your opponent (his weaknesses and strengths) and if you really want to debate, it’s quite an advantage.

a police officer has been sentence for the death of Tomlinson isnt it?

tinkerbell10,

Respect is one thing. Not allowing other to express his opinion is another.

If a participant says he does not believe in god, then let’s debate rationally his point of view, not attacking him personally as that is not respecting.

My point is, we have no limits in debates and all ideas can be discussed and all point of views can be challenged with respect! As in eastern cultures, or should I correct in certain cultures where religion plays a prime role, challenging that religion is a total No No.

In the west we challenge our own religions and we debate it with open minds. That’s something impossible in certain religions/cultures.

That’s what I meant.

asalam alikum.Thank you so much for your support.Guess this is where i say, "i love my eastern culture where majority of our people respect the females".

wasllam alikum

... as if I were 'interested' in the 'opponent', Nic.

LincolnPirate,

That’s all ok. It tells you how secure they are in the topic and how much they are equipped to defend it.

Most of personal convictions were engraved in their brains from early stage and they can’t explain why they are obsessed in defend it.

All gives you valuable information about the opponent ;)

Actually it's pretty boring, Nic. People start insulting others when they run out of arguments.

welcome to the Forum!!

you will get used to it..just patience is virtue and Ignore is the key..

it is a public forum and participating in debate will result in heated arguments...

What revolution in Egypt?

Old regime still in charge...mubaraks and few close allies are being sacrificed...

For revolution:

see french, bolshievik, eastern european, iranian etc

It is quite clear here that (yet again) there are differences between the eastern versus western approaches towards debate!

In certain educations, debate is encouraged with no limits of topics or ideas, other cultures do have quite restricted taboo areas that are untouchable.

The fun part of QL, is the debate with all and to observe how different backgrounds are able handle a debate!

...meanwhile Egypt remains pretty much the same!

You may not care what i am but i do care, and so does my husband.secondly i will be more careful with those words were you throw them coz not everyone will take your words so lightly.Unless your parents never taught you to respect females?

lol LP !

sorry buddy, i am tryin not to mock but...:(

I don't care what you are, jawia. But if I do not consider something, then I do not have to have an opinion about it.

I remember everything, Rizks, and also your empty promises to stop mocking about my missing eye.

I am a barrister at Law and i know how to play with words.and what you are trying to prove is not doing the trick.

I am dieting, i don't wanna eat but i just have to eat this burger.I don't believe it is full of calories coz it never crossed my mind.

LP except for my finger which crossed ur one eye and made u blind u dont remember anything - i think ? :(

yes i started a few days ago.But from the looks of it it seems i have made a bad choice.

I said it clearly, Rizks. I don't "don't believe in God" as little as I "believe in God." The question of God has never crossed my mind.

and i was wondering, how come Nic is not in this topic ? :)

LP, if u dont belive in GOD tatz good for you, be happy with it - as if we care....lol

(J/K)

LincolnPirate,

they are severely conditioned and are unable to free themselves.

any attempt is painful, so spare them, as some are getting quite uncomfortable ;)

if you re-read the posts you will know who started about God when the topic was just about egyptian police.

It's not the same. If I don't believe in something, I take a conscious stand about that something. I don't even 'don't believe' in God. I never asked myself the question about God. That's a huge difference. I don't have an opinion about the issue.

friendlier and much mythical and non existent.

In simple english its called, "same Difference".you believe there is no God or it never came across your mind and hence don't believe in him is the same.

Pink unicorns are much friendlier, jawia.

are we still in QL PMS...

it almost week now...

yes but a pink unicorn will allow it.right

jawiayesha, I am not even an 'atheist'. The question if a God exists or not has never crossed my mind!

You did not get me, Mr.Me. I don't believe that there is a God. I don't need a God to explain what I experience. And it is so cruel that I really can't believe that a 'Most Gracious' God would allow all these things under His supervision. And now you tell me, it's all about 'testing us and our faith'. I don't believe that either. A teacher using threat and punishment is a BAD teacher!!

Lincolpirate sounds like he is an atheist.I think h believes there is no God.

he is a believer of the pink flying unicorn.

why again and again God coming in this thread ? :(

Oh God plz forgive these animals who calls themselves as Human beings...:(

ok if u blame god for that,

do u thank him for the other good things we have?

for the plenty of oxygen on earth maybe?

for our body how it can heal itself?

for the air and ability of flying so u came from ur country to here?

for our brain to have this convo instead of barkin maybe,

did u thank him for ur eyes?or for that u have legs to come up and go to ur job every morning

did u thank him for seas?and that water can evaporate and transform from salty to tastless so we can drink?

did u thank him that sun isnt any closer so it burns us?or that we have the perfect gravity to not fly away?

for sure there r many and many,i can never finish

but did u thank him cz that all happens and u dont make any effort for it,and u have nothing to do with all wts going on around u

why was my link to youtube removed?

I hate Hitler as well.. He was one of the worst human beings in the world. He considered himself as God and took the life of innocent people... Another person that I hate is Osama Bin Laden.. Hardly any difference between the two.. Both were cruel, ruthless human beings. May they rot in hell..

OK u one eyed blind duck, i will stop mocking.

Ha, ha, ha, Rizks, "good boy". Then stop mocking about my missing eye first!

for that!! Hijacking and poking nose !!;)

we have too many 'good' boys on QL!!

English yOnly in the mains you pathaans....:)

lol Khanan !

by the way,i have stopped tat thing for a while now...:(

trying my level best to be a good boy of QL.

[English only in the main forum!]

without your comment is not complete, thats why I missed you...

now lets Hijack!!

m here, where else will i be - Khanan ? :(

I am not GOD of QL to be on every topic....:)

Khanan

so many tashpanri on this thread, so thought to contribute lagg derr from my side ;)

Alter Dusty, that's another conspiracy. I don't trust in God.

Rizks?????

and how you doing buddy??

How is home??

I blamed God for the deluge, Mr.Me. It wasn't the humans who sent the rain!

tailchopper...

How you doing dude??

Let’s pretend that god exists and he created two tribes so they can fight among them selves for millenniums, so the world would never have peace... wow, what a god!

LP

as per your profile, U are an american, and on your currency its written "In God, We Trust", is that what U are denying of???

u should hate also more countries and more presidents for killing humans so u b fair

did God land in this topic. What has God to to with Human stupidities.

dont blame god for what we know

we came to life very nice and peaceful

we were told to choose between good and bad,,we were told our decision will take us to heaven or hell,so every person choose his track and his destiny,it is always our falt

who kills in the name of god?

plz let me understand this clear,in the name of god or not,any invader will come across the world to saty in a country should b resist and attacked,no matter in wt name it is

I hate Hitler for killing humans!

Hitler was in favour of killing those whom he judged to be "unworthy of life". In a 1939 conference with health minister Leonardo Conti and the head of the Reich Chancellery, Hans Lammers, a few months before the euthanasia decree, Hitler gave as examples of "life unworthy of life" severely mentally ill people who he believed could only be bedded on sawdust or sand because they "perpetually dirtied themselves", or who "put their own excrement into their mouths, eating it and so on".[21]

lets pretend that holocaust happened,,and few millions were killed,,jews were getting paid money since then till now for german goverment for the grand fathers that killed,so plz stop crying about it,,if we have to count people ,arabs and non arabs killed by jews since second war till now,and still counting,and that they find all the right to kill kids ,even babies in palestine and the world,in the name of peace,makes me hate hitler for keeping the rest alive by then

Nic, I think "God" is busy in a parallel universe.

LP,

Do you think a god would create the imperfection of mankind and allow them to kill on its behalf?

Only a man-made god can explain what we witness ;)

Thank you, Mr.Me. I am not keen to get to know someone which I think doesn't exist!

One of the foundations of Hitler's social policies was the concept of racial hygiene. It was based on the ideas of Arthur de Gobineau, a French count; eugenics, a pseudoscience that advocated racial purity; and social Darwinism. Applied to human beings, "survival of the fittest" was interpreted as requiring racial purity and killing off "life unworthy of life." The first victims were children with physical and developmental disabilities; those killings occurred in a programme dubbed Action T4.[150] After a public outcry, Hitler made a show of ending this program, but the killings continued (see Nazi eugenics).

go back to your work peopl and stop worrying!

And still, some people argue that the holocaust is an invention of the Zionists. It is useless to discuss it.

as it will never done in few msgs,im so ready to show u how god is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

hoping that u understand it,and it is only for ur good ,it is very obvious but sometimes ppl need to jst look closer

Nic, I did not "miss" it, I ignored it.

The Holocaust (from the Greek ὁλόκαυστος holókaustos: hólos, "whole" and kaustós, "burnt"),[2] also known as The Shoah (Hebrew: השואה, HaShoah, "calamity"; Yiddish: חורבן, Churben or Hurban,[3] from the Hebrew for "destruction"), was the genocide of approximately six million European Jews during World War II, a programme of systematic state-sponsored extermination by Nazi Germany throughout Nazi-occupied territory.[4] Of the nine million Jews who had resided in Europe before the Holocaust, approximately two-thirds perished.[5] Some scholars maintain that the definition of the Holocaust should also include the Nazis' genocide of millions of people in other groups, including Romani (more commonly known in English by the exonym "Gypsies"), Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, homosexuals, people with disabilities, Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred regardless of whether they were of German or non-German ethnic origin.[6] Using this definition, the total number of Holocaust victims is between 11 million and 17 million people.[7]

LincolnPirate

you missed the second part of my comment:

it could not be as it's a man's creation and all man's creations are imperfect!

yes it needed that as per god will,,and that happened,and we still alive ,if u can find anything bad caused by that dulge?im sure u cant think about any,and u cant think about how it would b if it didnt happen,.and those 3 names u mentioend,we only know them bcoz there is america,,bcoz all of them were brought to rule with the help of usa inteligence,and that takes us back to jews my friend,and their will to rule the middle east and make it a safe place for them to live,and as u can see,it is being worst for them every day

Nic, Surat 1, Al Fatihah, (the words of Allah himself) begins with this: "In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful."!!! (He uses a lot of self-praise, which I never understood.)

"earth needed to re generate new and clean race"

Who could say no that ... i'm all for 'Swastikas'

LincolnPirate

who said "it" is the most gracious?

it could not be as it's a man's creation and all man's creations are imperfect!

Mr.Me, ha, ha, ha. "earth needed to re generate new and clean race" - You sound like Hitler himself. And? Did it work? No, we still have Gaddafis, and Salehs, and Mubaraks, and you!

holocaust happened or not, arabs have nothing to do with that, it was all about bloody european superiority complex that was on peak those days.

we r for god,and to him will return!!!

god created us,and all wt we ever can think about,and all is back to him,.he sent many messengers to humanity in all times to keep the human kind knowing who created him and what is their cause on earth,and that there is heaven and hell.he sent noah for his people and stayed asking them to believe in god for 950 years,and those people were the worst on earth where all sins and crimes happend and started with them,.after many years of non responding earth needed to re generate new and clean race,and that was the need of the Deluge ,to make people believe in his existence and his power,but few who believe

+1 Mr.Me. nothing more stupid than the holocaust lie other than people who believe it, and the Zionists use it as a excuse to kill children everyday and if you even think about raising a finger about it you are either a bloody terrorist as per US definition the master of all Vetos in favor of Israel or you are an antisemtic and everybody looks at you as if you are the devil in person

It depends on your point of view, brit. 'Romeo and Juliette' is an episode. For God the deluge was punishment, for the people a tragedy. And now the Egyptians 'play God' and punish!

Surely, Romeo and Juliet was a tragedy, whereas, the deluge was punishment.

Holocost had happened like the terrorism is happening now depending on the usa definition,.all the lying propaganda around wt story they need to spread,and many people r believing it,and celebrating when countries like afghanistan,pakistan,iraq,sudan,libya,fell under their hand,for only one goal,is to control the fuel and water around the world,how many of us believed usa coming to iraq for democracy,and to kill sadam for his weappons,and saddam became and very nice person comparing with bush,,,wt happened with hitler is the same wt is happeneing now,the same jews desease.the same lies,the same stupid people around the world that believe,they blame hitler for the second war,,in same time when every bad happens in the world we find usa behind it,doing the dirty job instead of jews,really world would b much more better without them

heading to??

Nic, are you saying that the greatest human tragedy is the work of God, the most gracious? Then he can't be most gracious.

Yes its true it will take a few Generations to adapt to Democracy in Egypt and the wider Middleast!

LincolnPirate,

To answer your question, according to the bible, god did it!

like that comment..not that many would understand.

Mr.Me the holocaust did happen and better people than u and me have verified it. The holocaust is not just about the jews, it's about man's inhumanity to man, whatever the reasons may be- race, ideology or religion.

And remember, It can happen to anyone. Do not think that if Hitler would have won, Arabs would have been safe, u need to know the Nazi definition of 'Untermenschen'.

Egypt hasn't changed a bit!

It will take a few generations before democratic values and mentality can be perceived!

lol LP..:)

If Hitler had survived, the Arabs (Semites) would have been the next on his list!

the only one falt that hitler done,,was the he didn't kill all the damn jews on earth,or we would b living in a better world,without all the damn wars happening now and caused by them.

the fake story that jews brought about holocost,was the funniest silly story written and believed by all sily people,so jews can kill and always come to cry for their sad and painful past,the stupid liars,only stupid people believe u,but now believe me,ur end is coming so fast so cry as more as u can now cz soon nobody will know about u

And guess who did it?

The biblical Deluge was worse! It killed everyone on Earth except Noah and his family! That's what I call a 'tragedy'!

He killed so many innocent people just because they were Jews.. The holocast was one of the most tragic of all tragidies in human history.

When the Russian Revolution happened (1917), the Bolsheviks killed not only the Czar but also his whole family. That's how it has to be done! If you are on the 'wrong' side, you are in for it.

the French revoloution sans the intellectuals. Will end up as the same.

With all due respect to the Egyptian youth who spearheaded the revolution, the initiative does not seem to be any more in their hands.

Mukh mafi. Stupids.

I don't like it. The man was doing his job, feeding his family. Sentencing him to death like this just sends the message that the new regime is no better than the old regime. Shameful.

Shoot his superiors...