why do you people have different yard sticks depending upon what suits you. You want us to dress properly and respect your dress code etc etc.
But when you go and settle in west, why make a hue and cry because your dress code is not accepted. Dont wear shorts when you are there but atleast respect their coulture and dont implement your dress code. You even have the balls to go to court if your dress code and views are not accepted there.
I disagree, it is nearly impossible to find elbow length shirts in the shops. Especially this time of year, especially if I want to to dess stylishly. If they want us to stop wearing short sleeves or tank tops then they will have to start selling them in the stores.
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
i don't think Qatar would make anyone wear abaya or anything. but i do think a dress code will ban mini skirts and short shorts (worn by men and women alike)etc.
i find it quite disrespectful the way some of the ex-pat women (and some men) dress here. i know some women who feel as though they should have a right to wear what they want. but in a Muslim country you have to dress a little bit more modest. it's not that difficult to wear a elbow length shirt and a knee length skirt
ABU, called my ex wife, (hated it but had to do it) she is a Verfassungsrichter in Karlsruhe (Constitutional Judge), which as you know is the highest court in Germany. She points out the following in the German Constitution
Freedom of religion in Germany is guaranteed by article 4 of the Grundgesetz (constitution) stating that "the freedom of religion, conscience and the freedom of confessing one's religious or philosophical beliefs are inviolable. Uninfringed religious practice is guaranteed." In addition, article 3 states: "No one may be prejudiced or favored because of his gender, his descent, his race, his language, his homeland and place of origin, his faith or his religious or political views."
She tells me she will look into the immigration paperwork to check out what you have said but she points out that NO ONE can stop you filling out Islam under the religion question as this is constitutional not permitted by the above Article 4.irrespective whether you are foreigner or German National
She also tells me that the law for head wear is what I stated although in recent years some German Authorities turn a blind eye to Muslims and there head scarfs as this is a tricky subject at the moment within Germany
after about 25 years, I SO hoped all the ex-pats would still be wandering about in those off-the-peg-cheap-but-colourful cotton kaftans I loved to wear. My hub laughed at me when I gingerly asked him if this was the case.
All a bit different these days ... sigh
They were the 'westerners' answer to an abaya. Didn't have to hunt in the wardrobe for what to wear, just fling on the kaftan and off you went.
Not to burst anyones bubble, but if you read the article there is NO dress code being enforced. This is a public relations campaign being put out by MOI to remind people the respectful way to dress. If you still feel the need to wear your backless shirts, mini skirts and spaghetti straps, you still can, as always, however, you will stand out like a sore thumb.
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
the Qatari ladies, and other muslim ladies of other nationalities, will also buy the clothes you see in the shop windows, the difference is that they only wear them at home or under their abaya when out and about.
I agree with Cornellian - I want to see what the dress code is before I oppose or support it. I also agree with Scarlett - a dress code should be for both men and women. I have seen men in questionable attire as well. Scarlett and Xena both get koodoos for saying that some of the more revealing outfits such as skirts up to "there" are inappropriate in any culture. Those of you who have children (teenage daughters in particular) of your own will know exactly what I am talking about. I don't want my daughter dressing like that because of the message that it sends even if that message is not intentional on her part, let's face it - it still exists.
But the thing that confuses me is that most of us know there is an unwritten rule (and soon to be a written rule apparently) about dress code yet look at the stores in any of the malls. Look at their window displays. Many of those displays show mannequins in a variety of outfits that you know are not truly acceptable in Qatar. Yet they are obviously on display and sold. To me that is a contradiction to what is expected because if you buy it here why would you think you are not allowed to wear it here. I find this situaiton completely hypocritical. It's like Qatar is esstentially saying - You can buy it here and we are more than happy to take your money for the purchase of this attire but sorry you can't wear it here. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
Now don't get me wrong - I am not saying Qatar should stop selling western styled clothes. I am just saying that Qatar can't have one foot on each side of this cultural fence and expect this new initiative to work.
the people that are the most offensive in their dress and not go overboard and have everyone wearing bags for pants and tops. also...I want to see the male version of this ruling...what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
WHO makes the decision as to what is appropriate. I mean, geez, you get some law enforment officer that is totally radical, and a short sleeved top will land you a fine, whilst some other woman is strutting around in her camisole top and barely covering her tail feathered rear end? You irritate the officer in some way and you get fined for jeans that are too tight "in their opinion". I mean, come on....
I usually dress relatively conservatively during the day or when out at dinner with work companions. However, when going out at night, say to Paloma's, in an international hotel chain, yes, I will wear something that might have a lower cut neckline (not down to the navel by any means because gravity is a working force here by the time you get my age) but nicely dressed. To me, that should be allowed in certain instances and places. Now what Xena was describing..nope...nor some of the short skirts and tank tops that leave not much to the imagination. I even have issues with that back home because when they walk, there IS nothing left to the imagination!
One thing I have still noticed tho is that no matter how you are dressed..(and I mean the first time I got this I had on jeans, button down long sleeved blouse, NOT tight and buttoned up to the 2nd button)...got leered at AND some sort of animal sounds that came from several guys at the bar..so seems that no matter what you wear its gonna happen...
as a long term ex-resident of Germany I must just correct a couple of things in your statements about Germany, although I do basically agree with your statements regarding Germany being a Church State.
Germany does accept officialy Islam as a religion, it has no choice as a state, as it is written in the German Constitution. You are correct when it comes to the removal of head scarfs when having pictures taken for driving Licences, IDs etc but this is because the law states that the head must be uncovered for such photos, no caps, Hats and unfortunately no scarfs, so this is not directly aimed at the Muslim community.
There are many Moshees in Germany, they are everywhere, in fact a new one will be built in Koeln very soon, which will be the biggest in a European non-Muslim country. There are of course unfair laws, a Muslim teacher in a German school cannot wear her scarf or cover her head as this represents a religous view in a school , yet a nun can wear her Uniform.
I think there's a difference between having a dress code just for women or for men and women. Having a dress code for both is more acceptable, having one just for women might be considered women oppression. Saying that, I'm curious to as what the dress code would be before opposing or supporting it.
Qatar has to have its priorities sorted it out, does it want to head down Saudi's road or Dubai's road ? They're two opposite poles and right now, I think, Qatar is right in the middle of a crossroad. I wonder which road it'll end up taking.
I think it would be a good idea to give some guidelines to expats on the expected dress code, but who is going to police this?
The police cant even get out on the roads to book the idiots who fly down the roads at ridiculous speeds, with a phone in one hand, a cigarette in the other, and their kids climbing all over the car seats!
Wearing the 'wrong' clothes never killed anyone, but how many unnecessary deaths happen on Doha's roads due to people not following common sense road rules...
i'm a Filipina (just for BAEDAEBOK info) and i wear what is appropriate for the place & occasion. I dont mind wearing Abaya if necessary actually i think it's cool besides i'm tired of always being stared at regardless of what i wear. However, i hope they would spare the time i'd jog, swim & play badminton and for God's sake dont ask me why!
Should I be wearing my Abaya?? I will sip a beer with a straw.. The straw was made in Saudi, I forgot is porous and lets not forget my portable toilet paper a product of Abaya....
I drank more twice during Ramadan month. what to do work finished at 1.00pm and nothing else to do. They change the bar counter and it loos horrible. everybody is complaining abut the height of the counter. simply too high.
comon guys. Grow up. Dont discuss filipinas. If Abayas is dress code of arab.. let everyone wear what they want to.
As for attracting people attantion. If some one is comfortable is wearing any damn thing. why make so big a fuss of it. Mind your own business. Atleast filipinas dont do hypocracy unlike several communities especially middle eastern.
Dress Code????? We'll that's good not for filipinas but for all women, If they will implement the same rules and regulations like in Saudi which is all wear abayas what to do? of course follow and obey the rules.
this is the problem when people generalize....they only look on the bad/negative things and never open to any good sides..they no longer care if statements would offend US or not..just my share of sentiments to offending remarks..
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not all filipinas wear tight or revealing clothes because im not wearing one of those, i wear a decently dress code (to inform you only). I just got reacted because you didn't elaborate your statement properly so hope you won't get mad.
I hope this MOI decision isn't because I wear shorts everywhere I go (except work). Maybe they have seen this guy wandering around with shorts just above the knee and their knicker has gotten into a knot.
Filipinas wearing revealing/tight clothing? I don't intend to sound brazen or rude. In many cases, this clothing enhances their business and attracts customers (especially at night)."
You DON'T INTEND TO SOUND BRAZEN OR RUDE? Guess you sounded already. What's wrong with us wearing tight or more revealing clothes? does it bother you? or can't get rid of looking at FILIPINA"S body because we are SEXY? We'll if you don't want to see those gals wearing tight, fitted, and revealing clothes while you're shopping then you must buy with those salesclerk who wear your own preferences. If you think they are using their body to sell something well darling don't buy any of their products. Why look at FILIPINAS only? don't be one sided. Anyway what country you came from?
TCOFF...... Thank you so much for defending FILIPINA side.
t_coffee_or_me said baedaebok ...
What do u have against the filipinas community ... i have noticed that u always attack them ... is it coz "The grapes are sour" or the run away maid who has spurned the advances ....
please stop attacking based on caste creed or race.
"The State of Qatar is a conservative Arab country and has its own traditions and customs derived from the originality of its history and people brought up on Islamic religious values. So please respect these customs in your dressings. If your are here on visit or business, obey the laws of this country and your respect to these laws will help you to avoid violations,"
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we have to look at the reasons behind this and understand the implications. Put youreslf in the shoes of the ruling family, you have realised that to build your wealth and a future for your country you require the knowledge and expertise of the western world, to this end you make attractive conditions to lure westerns experts and companies. You are a muslim country, in the middle of the hot spot of the world, around you are wars, hard line Muslim countries, Muslim hard line thinkers who believe in the total Muslim state, and there you are in the middle, trying to build a future with western know-how. You need the western knowledge but at the same tine you can't buy it at the cost that you religion is compremised. There are enough hard liners who will point fingers at the rulers and insist on the strict and uncompremising Muslim laws which prevail all around you in other countrries.
Then some westerners , who beleive in their freedom and right to live their live as if they were back home, break some basic common sense rules which apply in most Arab muslim countries, what do you do? you must do something to head off any hard line reactions in your country, so you suggest a Dress Code for foreigners, this way everybody knows for sure what goes and what doesnt, you can show others that you have reacted and done something, without bringing in Hard line laws.
The question is thats that problem dealt with but whats the next hanging around the corner waiting to raise its ugly head? This Dress Code is not being brought in just for fun, its a reaction to a disregard to common sense rules which everybody knows exist in Muslim countries and if you didnt know then you should have done you homework better before coming. We must be happy that Qatar is more relexed than other Muslim countries, that we are able to do things here which are not permitted in other Arab countries, if someone has a problem with the rules in Qatar go live and work in Saudi, Iran etc.......then you'll find out what restrictions and penalties are really like.
The end is, these rules are here because some people cant keep to the unwritten ones and if other unwritten ones are ignored then there will be more new rules and restrictions. It in our hands what will happen in the future.
I find it very odd reading all these comments. Some are saying that if the Arabs need us so they better get used to it. Well I guess that argument could be applied in the West too. We need the foreigners otherwise most of our very British institutions would break down. Let us not forget we brought the foreigners into Britain to do the jobs we didn't want to or for less money. But we are telling them how to behave and dress etc too. And don't forget we are getting big salaries for our services, We aren't doing the Arabs a favour really. We are providing a service for a fee. a very big one may I add! A lot better than what we gave the foreigners in the 60's when we invited them over to Britain. They were our cheap labour.
Besides I really do think that wearing religious dress is different to them wanting us to wear modest dress. It is possibly why there are still so many values left in these countries as opposed to the breakdown of the family structure and society in the West. Come on now face it, the low crime rate and safety we enjoy in Qatar is all part of this system. I remember when I was young in the UK and we used to leave the doors open and be assured noone would burgle us. Now forget it. And it all comes down to the breakdown of the family and individuals and lack of education and guidance and morals. Sad but true.
I love my kids growing up here. When I go back to the Uk I feel scared now when I am in the street. Hoodies and thugs in the street. You go to a cashpoint and look round suspiciously at everyone. You go inside the house and lock the doors. You go into a shop and lock your car.
I think long trousers and half sleeved tops are better than loose morals and society breakdown. Don't you?
What do u have against the filipinas community ... i have noticed that u always attack them ... is it coz "The grapes are sour" or the run away maid who has spurned the advances ....
please stop attacking based on caste creed or race
If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.
I hope this MOI decision isn't because I wear shorts everywhere I go (except work). Maybe they have seen this guy wandering around with shorts just above the knee and their knicker has gotten into a knot.
Filipinas wearing revealing/tight clothing? I don't intend to sound brazen or rude. In many cases, this clothing enhances their business and attracts customers (especially at night).
sometimes I can't walk with cut shirts on the streets or even on corniche. What can I say, but some people does not got that kind of attention that they desire deep their in both ... mind and soul. Walking around 90% almost naked is one of their options, which indicates in my opinion a high lack of self confidence, trust and abandoning what god already gifted you. Guess that even the models, look like that on stages but not on the roads.
We are not the same and everyone got that special things about him/her that makes them different somehow from the others but not a special specious of the human beings.
One last thing, uncovered sweets always bring flies around...
Rydges Hotel, when a couple of girls came out of the elevator... one of them was wearing a, well, actually, have no idea what I would call it.... cause it was just a piece of fabric to cover the front and absolutely nothing on her back...it was totally bare....
I was gob-smacked... all I could think of was what the doorman was thinking as she walked away....
When i take my dogs to the beach in the morning, I feel underdressed in shorts and sleeveless shirt... so walking around like she was in public, would make me very self conscious...
What about the European Muslims.. ? So are you saying that they also dont have the right to wear the dress that conforms to their faith? Or just because they accept or choose to follow Islam - they are deprived of their freedom ?
AR.
"Work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, and dance like you do when nobody's watching "!
I think its quite high time that the MOI came up with this. I dont think this is directed against the majority public.. like Plankton (Marc) pointed out - there are a few here who really have problems in respecting even the basic codes. I guess Qatar is trying to be more tolerant - but some of the bad apples in the community is testing their limits. I doubt if Qatar is going to go on the same lines of Saudi - but they do need some control as lately in some areas - the dress codes have really gone out of control. I dont normally like to point fingers at any particular nationality - but this is more often seen amongst Lebanese and Filipino women - but that does not mean that ALL of them are like this. But like some other posters have pointed - the westerners in general are a lot more sensitive on this matter.
AR.
"Work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, and dance like you do when nobody's watching "!
For example, in the US religion is supposed to be separate from government".
Supposed??? erm I think it IS seperate - Constitutionally, anyway? :D
"In Europe, it is different because not all countries are church and state separated."
I'm too tired right now to google which countries in Europe you are referring to which are run by a 'Church State'. I thought these were seperate issues in European countries. But I may be wrong.
"But there is also the (speaking of tits) tit-for-tat response aka I won't uncover my body and upset or offend you in your world if you, please, don't cover your face and upset or offend me in mine."
But I also think that is a whole other issue not related to having a dress code in Doha. For example, in the US religion is supposed to be separate from government so everyone has a right to wear what they want as long as it doesn't cause harm to others- veil included. In Europe, it is different because not all countries are church and state separated.
Qatar is clearly an Islamic country, and anyone that thinks is ok to walk around in skin tight pants and tiny tops is just stupid!! For that matter, anyone who wears that anywhere is not that bright :P
To dress inappropriately, when most people understand there are different cultures around this big world of ours, is inexcusable. It's tantamount to a slap in the face to wander around wivyer tits on display or wearing a pelmet as an excuse for a skirt.
But there is also the (speaking of tits) tit-for-tat response aka I won't uncover my body and upset or offend you in your world if you, please, don't cover your face and upset or offend me in mine.
Having said that, I don't think I've seen people scantily dressed around Doha. I guess I don't go to the 'wrong' places *sigh* .. ;D
I really don't see the problem with dressing respectfully in an Islamic country.
Both men and women should know better than to wear very revealing and tight clothing when going out in Doha. It's just common sense. But I guess it only takes one bad apple to ruin it for everyone.
Maybe if people did dress respectfully of the local culture the government wouldn't have to propose a dress code.
I agree. Once in awhile I see somebody wearing something and wonder what the hell they are thinking wearing such and such. And it hasnt been just the women.
If you dont live here or just got here, I guess its understandable but if youve been here longer its disrespectful in my opinion.
Lebanese women are hot hot hot. Dont play with that.
I am a european, but for some reason I get along very well with qataries... I must say I like to be in contact with native loacals, sicesince all westeners are just sort of drifting trough here.
Trought these frineds I learned a lot when it comes to respect and culture.
One of the key things in regards of dress code I have picked up now during ramadan.
Practically all westeners and asian dress appropriately in the eyes of qataries.
A big issue are the lebanese women, that are very fashion oriented and don't bother to show respect, since they have grown
up with a touch of arabic culture. Keep an eye open the next time you go out for the "provocative" dressed women and you will
see what I mean !
I don't want to pin anything on any nationality... there are "black sheeps" in every culture.
But a nationality that is part islamic should know better.
And some people have no sense at all... I saw some female joggers in tight jogging pants and just a tank top, jogging
arround the Bin Mahmoud area. I felt tempted to stop and give them a hint. But I have a feeling that some qatarie
will have harassed them enough during their journey.
Let those who oppose such measures bark and remind them of what is happening in their own societies before trying to export such filth to the muslim world.
Yeah, like some of the Qatari girls who go to Lebanon- wear bikini's on the beach and skirts down the street....shame on them...lol
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
In Islam there is no such as the what is called the 'General Freedoms' where the peoples instincts are unleashed and strong devour the weak like in western societies. Western societies are sick, depraved and forever riddled with huge problems such as rape, sexual perversion and exploitation to name a few.
Europeans used to dress decently and conservatively in the age prior to the industrial revolution but since the onset of secularism/Capitalism together with the General Freedoms, society has been reduced to a jungle.
Islams social system regulates the interaction between women and men in public; their relationships and duties. Islam came to uphold the high values and ensure society at large was protected from any corruption no matter what type or size. It is a fact that the manner in which women and men dress has an impact upon society and Islam tackle all such problems at the root.
Although Qatar is not Islamic in real sense of the word however the majority of its inhabitants are muslim and are duty bound to Islam in all matters in life. It is only natural for the muslims emotions and thoughts to be in line with Islamic teaching. We hate what displeases God and we love what pleases Him.
Aberation such as the indecent dress codes adopted by women and especially non muslims women cannot be tolerated and must addressed to ensure the Islamic values are upheld.
Let those who oppose such measures bark and remind them of what is happening in their own societies before trying to export such filth to the muslim world.
Maybe Police could issue spot fines if the Decent dress code was violated.
>>What would be even better is if police issued spot fines for men drooling at women, no matter HOW decent women are dressed...opps forgot, the police drool to!!
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
People lets not forget that at the beginning of this year a private club, AKA the diplomatic club, banned bikinis on its beach and pool!
A friend of mine keeps saying there are two forces pulling in two opposite directions in this country whichever wins will drive the future … I guess he has a point.
"if some muslim countries have conservative regulations, that does not mean that islam/muslims are hypocrates, nor that gives you the right to generalize & make such claims. Turkey, Indonesia, Lebanon, Syria, Malaysia...etc are all muslim countries, or countries with Islam as a majority, but they don't impose their religion/traditions on other people, so you are totally wrong in what you claim.
Actually the only hypocrate countries are those who ban the dress of some religions (women head covers for example) while they claim that they are free democratic communities, where people are SUPPOSED TO BE free in what they wear."
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Bentley, of course you are right. It was a generalization. Good that you pointed that out.
I have been to several of those countries and it is totally different than in Qatar. During Ramadan, for example, non-muslims are not forced by law to abstain in public.
So, lets limit our discussion to Qatar then as the argument still stands that way.
If Qatar wants to impose dress regulations on the basis of culture, tradition, values then they should not complain nor be offended when they are forced to remove their veils in the West.
Would members of the MOI be offended by this? Consider it unfair? Discriminatory? Unreasonable?
I for one, dont give a hoot if they wear the veil or not. Doesnt bother me one bit, but that is because I have lived in the Gulf. At first, it was a bit of a weird thing.
Furthermore, considering Qatar's conservative traditions and tribal history I find them to be very tolerant. It's their country, so we must abide by their laws. If that means, no shorts so be it. Like it or lump it. Dont like it, leave. Go somewhere else. For me, its a small inconvenience for the hundreds of other things I really love about the place.
This is a bad move my the "ministry of interior" When I told people I was moving to Qatar many many people had lots of miss conceptions about the place, things such as public executions, no drinking, everyone dressed in black, no women driving, no cinema, male and female entrances to every where etc etc.
You get the picture.
Turns out actually Qatar is a nice place to live and not Saudi Arabia, which obviously people get confused with. Now if the Government start imposing dress codes and even arresting girls that don't adhere then the World's misconceptions about this small country will be proven correct.
And where does this end, is this a beginning of a crack down, perhaps hard line elements would like us not to Drink too.
And think of the implications long term, Qatar is trying to develop a diverse and expanded economy this will rely on ex pats from all over the World wanting to make Qatar their home. Dress codes and a moral clampdown will halt this growth before its even started.
With Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and Dubai so close and also spending millions to attract overseas tourists and business it is obvious where the money will go if such rules and clamp downs come into force.
Now of course this is an Islamic country and a conservative one at that, but the Government should have realised the implications of their investment and their willingness to attract tourists etc on the culture. The decision to open the floodgates, so to speak, has been taken trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted is a poor one. It seems trivial now but could have serious long term consequences.
if some muslim countries have conservative regulations, that does not mean that islam/muslims are hypocrates, nor that gives you the right to generalize & make such claims. Turkey, Indonesia, Lebanon, Syria, Malaysia...etc are all muslim countries, or countries with Islam as a majority, but they don't impose their religion/traditions on other people, so you are totally wrong in what you claim.
Actually the only hypocrate countries are those who ban the dress of some religions (women head covers for example) while they claim that they are free democratic communities, where people are SUPPOSED TO BE free in what they wear.
I just remembered ... our company driver was wearing a lungi (with a shirt) when he came to collect us a few weeks ago. It was some sort of National Day for Kerala.
I'm done for the day, I'm fried with this lungi, sarong, dhoti, MALABARI AND BANGALI bullcrapers I'm going to bed! Flock all this non comprendo words overwhelming my fences. Good Night! Enjoy my paintings.
yea they did embark that malabari stop wearing that piece of cloth know is lungi in public. you see them in mosque you see them in market you see them in street.
And Jauntie there is no such thing it was just piece of cloth worn by malabari and bangali.
Dress codes for expats.. what about the locals? I've seen Qatari ladies with open or body-hugging abayas, and some do not cover their heads at all. Isn't this supposed to be more offensive for them as these girls are their own?
Part of the problem is, it is easier for a liberal and free society to accept more conservative dress but difficult for a conservative society to accept more liberal dress.
In my opinion, it is perfectly understandable and acceptable that we would be expected to dress more conservatively in Qatar. Obviously Qataris would not be likely to offend people in Western societies with their dress because it is a more liberal culture.
The veil, however, is a sticking point because covering the face in the West is offensive. There are also practical reasons for why it is frowned upon.
That's that. Shall we move onto the hypcrocrisy of not being able to openly practice your own religion in the Gulf, with millions of Muslims doing so freely in Western societies and even in some cases pushing for Sharia law!!!
Ridiculous.
Islam is supposed to be a religion of tolerance and compromise so Im told. However, some have been so bold as to claim that the West is more Islamic than the Arab World in this respect.
Many are compelled to depend on religion for their bread and butter... Circumstances...So the tolerance limits will vary from person to person, Gauging the level of tolerance this law might have come into place.....
EDITED POST: And whilst I'm editing this post may I ask again where you read about this, please.
Did you read this in the news somewhere? Which newspaper, please.
I'm not sure what sort of dress code they mean, but I certainly wouldn't want Qatar to turn into a mini KSA with Matowa patrolling the streets and malls looking for a bare ankle to paint green.
If you look on any website regarding Qatari culture, or even the British Airways' site (I think) and elsewhere, there are paragraphs on how to dress so's to not to cause offense to the Qataris.
Are they going to insist Indian ladies cover up their midrifts?
I thought for a moment, I was conservative in my words. You definitely stole the show with your Introductory sentence... Your courage is my fortitude when it comes to Hypocrites...
“The State of Qatar is a conservative Arab country and has its own traditions and customs derived from the originality of its history and people brought up on Islamic religious values. So please respect these customs in your dressings.
“If your are here on visit/business/work, obey the laws of this country and your respect to these laws will help you to avoid violations…..” the guidelines continue.
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I find the Muslims utterly and completely hypocritical on this issue. When you are in their country they expect you to respect the laws and traditions of the land irregardless of your own values and beliefs. Yet, when they are in your country they cry foul if they are asked to do the same and claim discrimination, racism and Islamophobia.
The recent controversy over the veil in Europe is a perfect example. For many reasons, among them being "the laws and traditions of the land" it is not appropriate for people to cover their face in public in European society.
Let me make a little revision on the paragraph posted above:
“The continent of Europe is a liberal and free continent and has its own traditions and customs derived from the originality of its history and people brought up on Western values. So please respect these customs in your dressings.
“If your are here on visit/business/work, obey the laws of this country and your respect to these laws will help you to avoid violations…..” the guidelines continue.
It is advised that you come to work dressed according to your salary.
If we see you wearing Prada shoes and carrying a Gucci bag, we assume you are doing well financially and therefore do not need a raise.
If you dress poorly, you need to learn to manage your money better,so that you may buy nicer clothes, and therefore do not need a raise.
If you dress just right, you are right where you need to be and therefore do not need a raise.
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*Sick Days*
We will no longer accept a doctor's statement as proof of sickness.
If you are able to go to the doctor, you are able to come to work.
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*Personal Days*
Each employee will receive 104 personal days a year. They are called Saturday and Sunday.
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*Toilet Use*
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At the end of the three minutes, an alarm will sound, the toilet paper roll will retract, the stall door will open and a picture will be taken.
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They sure know how to embark themselves in a lot of wasteful ideas. Enlighten me with more proof of this subject.
Wait until the rains arrive and tell me something about street sewage, stagnant pools of water for days because they have no where to go and pilings of garbage up to your door steps. Because they for forgot to pick your garbage in your neighborhood.
That's kind of what I'm wondering. It would all be objective based on the police person's opinion that day. You would certainly hope people would dress with common sense, and at least wear long trousers when out, or make sure their short sleeves come to around the elbow or just above, but I've seen a lot of people who seem to think dressing this way is too much.
As far as the 'long trousers are hot' argument, you don't have to buy heavy materials in hot climates. Jeans are made from light material, really comfortable, and fairly inexpensive.
But what should it matter how I dress anyway? Even if I dress respectfully, I, as a single younger woman, still get openly gawked at by lonely construction men. Not just glanced at, but the open gawking. It's a bit old...
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why do you people have different yard sticks depending upon what suits you. You want us to dress properly and respect your dress code etc etc.
But when you go and settle in west, why make a hue and cry because your dress code is not accepted. Dont wear shorts when you are there but atleast respect their coulture and dont implement your dress code. You even have the balls to go to court if your dress code and views are not accepted there.
What crap are you talking....
""They walk among us !! And they reproduce""
I disagree, it is nearly impossible to find elbow length shirts in the shops. Especially this time of year, especially if I want to to dess stylishly. If they want us to stop wearing short sleeves or tank tops then they will have to start selling them in the stores.
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
i don't think Qatar would make anyone wear abaya or anything. but i do think a dress code will ban mini skirts and short shorts (worn by men and women alike)etc.
i find it quite disrespectful the way some of the ex-pat women (and some men) dress here. i know some women who feel as though they should have a right to wear what they want. but in a Muslim country you have to dress a little bit more modest. it's not that difficult to wear a elbow length shirt and a knee length skirt
ABU, called my ex wife, (hated it but had to do it) she is a Verfassungsrichter in Karlsruhe (Constitutional Judge), which as you know is the highest court in Germany. She points out the following in the German Constitution
Freedom of religion in Germany is guaranteed by article 4 of the Grundgesetz (constitution) stating that "the freedom of religion, conscience and the freedom of confessing one's religious or philosophical beliefs are inviolable. Uninfringed religious practice is guaranteed." In addition, article 3 states: "No one may be prejudiced or favored because of his gender, his descent, his race, his language, his homeland and place of origin, his faith or his religious or political views."
She tells me she will look into the immigration paperwork to check out what you have said but she points out that NO ONE can stop you filling out Islam under the religion question as this is constitutional not permitted by the above Article 4.irrespective whether you are foreigner or German National
She also tells me that the law for head wear is what I stated although in recent years some German Authorities turn a blind eye to Muslims and there head scarfs as this is a tricky subject at the moment within Germany
The peninsula topic said 'Dress code campaign soon'
my topic said 'Dress code coming soon'
after about 25 years, I SO hoped all the ex-pats would still be wandering about in those off-the-peg-cheap-but-colourful cotton kaftans I loved to wear. My hub laughed at me when I gingerly asked him if this was the case.
All a bit different these days ... sigh
They were the 'westerners' answer to an abaya. Didn't have to hunt in the wardrobe for what to wear, just fling on the kaftan and off you went.
Damn.....just not my day today.............that beer in a couple hours sure looks inviting
comment that was a bit off setting. Sounded really negative.
can I do the fitting PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE................ladies department only
Gypsy how many of them have tried to understand the topic?
Gypsy, MOI was responding to a forum topic by Eco-Savy titled "Qatar Plans Dress Code for Expats and Visitors, which quoted a goverment statement.
So just maybe there is one in the pipeline
Not to burst anyones bubble, but if you read the article there is NO dress code being enforced. This is a public relations campaign being put out by MOI to remind people the respectful way to dress. If you still feel the need to wear your backless shirts, mini skirts and spaghetti straps, you still can, as always, however, you will stand out like a sore thumb.
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the Qatari ladies, and other muslim ladies of other nationalities, will also buy the clothes you see in the shop windows, the difference is that they only wear them at home or under their abaya when out and about.
The clothes aren't only bought by non-muslims.
Problem to Some of the Super markets..........their sale will go down....cause...less customers......ha ha
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i agree with U tweetybird.
Bottom line???????
QATAR IS AN OPEN COUNTRY, it is all up to those individuals how to think what is appropriate or inappropriate.
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I agree with several points made here:
I agree with Cornellian - I want to see what the dress code is before I oppose or support it. I also agree with Scarlett - a dress code should be for both men and women. I have seen men in questionable attire as well. Scarlett and Xena both get koodoos for saying that some of the more revealing outfits such as skirts up to "there" are inappropriate in any culture. Those of you who have children (teenage daughters in particular) of your own will know exactly what I am talking about. I don't want my daughter dressing like that because of the message that it sends even if that message is not intentional on her part, let's face it - it still exists.
But the thing that confuses me is that most of us know there is an unwritten rule (and soon to be a written rule apparently) about dress code yet look at the stores in any of the malls. Look at their window displays. Many of those displays show mannequins in a variety of outfits that you know are not truly acceptable in Qatar. Yet they are obviously on display and sold. To me that is a contradiction to what is expected because if you buy it here why would you think you are not allowed to wear it here. I find this situaiton completely hypocritical. It's like Qatar is esstentially saying - You can buy it here and we are more than happy to take your money for the purchase of this attire but sorry you can't wear it here. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
Now don't get me wrong - I am not saying Qatar should stop selling western styled clothes. I am just saying that Qatar can't have one foot on each side of this cultural fence and expect this new initiative to work.
the people that are the most offensive in their dress and not go overboard and have everyone wearing bags for pants and tops. also...I want to see the male version of this ruling...what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
WHO makes the decision as to what is appropriate. I mean, geez, you get some law enforment officer that is totally radical, and a short sleeved top will land you a fine, whilst some other woman is strutting around in her camisole top and barely covering her tail feathered rear end? You irritate the officer in some way and you get fined for jeans that are too tight "in their opinion". I mean, come on....
I usually dress relatively conservatively during the day or when out at dinner with work companions. However, when going out at night, say to Paloma's, in an international hotel chain, yes, I will wear something that might have a lower cut neckline (not down to the navel by any means because gravity is a working force here by the time you get my age) but nicely dressed. To me, that should be allowed in certain instances and places. Now what Xena was describing..nope...nor some of the short skirts and tank tops that leave not much to the imagination. I even have issues with that back home because when they walk, there IS nothing left to the imagination!
One thing I have still noticed tho is that no matter how you are dressed..(and I mean the first time I got this I had on jeans, button down long sleeved blouse, NOT tight and buttoned up to the 2nd button)...got leered at AND some sort of animal sounds that came from several guys at the bar..so seems that no matter what you wear its gonna happen...
as a long term ex-resident of Germany I must just correct a couple of things in your statements about Germany, although I do basically agree with your statements regarding Germany being a Church State.
Germany does accept officialy Islam as a religion, it has no choice as a state, as it is written in the German Constitution. You are correct when it comes to the removal of head scarfs when having pictures taken for driving Licences, IDs etc but this is because the law states that the head must be uncovered for such photos, no caps, Hats and unfortunately no scarfs, so this is not directly aimed at the Muslim community.
There are many Moshees in Germany, they are everywhere, in fact a new one will be built in Koeln very soon, which will be the biggest in a European non-Muslim country. There are of course unfair laws, a Muslim teacher in a German school cannot wear her scarf or cover her head as this represents a religous view in a school , yet a nun can wear her Uniform.
I think there's a difference between having a dress code just for women or for men and women. Having a dress code for both is more acceptable, having one just for women might be considered women oppression. Saying that, I'm curious to as what the dress code would be before opposing or supporting it.
Qatar has to have its priorities sorted it out, does it want to head down Saudi's road or Dubai's road ? They're two opposite poles and right now, I think, Qatar is right in the middle of a crossroad. I wonder which road it'll end up taking.
I think it would be a good idea to give some guidelines to expats on the expected dress code, but who is going to police this?
The police cant even get out on the roads to book the idiots who fly down the roads at ridiculous speeds, with a phone in one hand, a cigarette in the other, and their kids climbing all over the car seats!
Wearing the 'wrong' clothes never killed anyone, but how many unnecessary deaths happen on Doha's roads due to people not following common sense road rules...
i'm a Filipina (just for BAEDAEBOK info) and i wear what is appropriate for the place & occasion. I dont mind wearing Abaya if necessary actually i think it's cool besides i'm tired of always being stared at regardless of what i wear. However, i hope they would spare the time i'd jog, swim & play badminton and for God's sake dont ask me why!
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Should I be wearing my Abaya?? I will sip a beer with a straw.. The straw was made in Saudi, I forgot is porous and lets not forget my portable toilet paper a product of Abaya....
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Thanks for reminding. Everyone is driedup recently and can be seen very clearly.
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comon guys. Grow up. Dont discuss filipinas. If Abayas is dress code of arab.. let everyone wear what they want to.
As for attracting people attantion. If some one is comfortable is wearing any damn thing. why make so big a fuss of it. Mind your own business. Atleast filipinas dont do hypocracy unlike several communities especially middle eastern.
Dress Code????? We'll that's good not for filipinas but for all women, If they will implement the same rules and regulations like in Saudi which is all wear abayas what to do? of course follow and obey the rules.
this is the problem when people generalize....they only look on the bad/negative things and never open to any good sides..they no longer care if statements would offend US or not..just my share of sentiments to offending remarks..
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not all filipinas wear tight or revealing clothes because im not wearing one of those, i wear a decently dress code (to inform you only). I just got reacted because you didn't elaborate your statement properly so hope you won't get mad.
"baedaebok said Bad apples wearing shorts ...
I hope this MOI decision isn't because I wear shorts everywhere I go (except work). Maybe they have seen this guy wandering around with shorts just above the knee and their knicker has gotten into a knot.
Filipinas wearing revealing/tight clothing? I don't intend to sound brazen or rude. In many cases, this clothing enhances their business and attracts customers (especially at night)."
You DON'T INTEND TO SOUND BRAZEN OR RUDE? Guess you sounded already. What's wrong with us wearing tight or more revealing clothes? does it bother you? or can't get rid of looking at FILIPINA"S body because we are SEXY? We'll if you don't want to see those gals wearing tight, fitted, and revealing clothes while you're shopping then you must buy with those salesclerk who wear your own preferences. If you think they are using their body to sell something well darling don't buy any of their products. Why look at FILIPINAS only? don't be one sided. Anyway what country you came from?
TCOFF...... Thank you so much for defending FILIPINA side.
t_coffee_or_me said baedaebok ...
What do u have against the filipinas community ... i have noticed that u always attack them ... is it coz "The grapes are sour" or the run away maid who has spurned the advances ....
please stop attacking based on caste creed or race.
what is all this hullabaloo about?
They are just asking you to respect the sentiments of
the people here.
Its only in the past few years that there has been an increase in the
phenomenon of wearing half-naked dresses in public. That is what the
concern is all about.
From the comments of some people over here one seem to think that
even walking naked around the city is not against public norms.
"The State of Qatar is a conservative Arab country and has its own traditions and customs derived from the originality of its history and people brought up on Islamic religious values. So please respect these customs in your dressings. If your are here on visit or business, obey the laws of this country and your respect to these laws will help you to avoid violations,"
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we have to look at the reasons behind this and understand the implications. Put youreslf in the shoes of the ruling family, you have realised that to build your wealth and a future for your country you require the knowledge and expertise of the western world, to this end you make attractive conditions to lure westerns experts and companies. You are a muslim country, in the middle of the hot spot of the world, around you are wars, hard line Muslim countries, Muslim hard line thinkers who believe in the total Muslim state, and there you are in the middle, trying to build a future with western know-how. You need the western knowledge but at the same tine you can't buy it at the cost that you religion is compremised. There are enough hard liners who will point fingers at the rulers and insist on the strict and uncompremising Muslim laws which prevail all around you in other countrries.
Then some westerners , who beleive in their freedom and right to live their live as if they were back home, break some basic common sense rules which apply in most Arab muslim countries, what do you do? you must do something to head off any hard line reactions in your country, so you suggest a Dress Code for foreigners, this way everybody knows for sure what goes and what doesnt, you can show others that you have reacted and done something, without bringing in Hard line laws.
The question is thats that problem dealt with but whats the next hanging around the corner waiting to raise its ugly head? This Dress Code is not being brought in just for fun, its a reaction to a disregard to common sense rules which everybody knows exist in Muslim countries and if you didnt know then you should have done you homework better before coming. We must be happy that Qatar is more relexed than other Muslim countries, that we are able to do things here which are not permitted in other Arab countries, if someone has a problem with the rules in Qatar go live and work in Saudi, Iran etc.......then you'll find out what restrictions and penalties are really like.
The end is, these rules are here because some people cant keep to the unwritten ones and if other unwritten ones are ignored then there will be more new rules and restrictions. It in our hands what will happen in the future.
Fraggle - your comments make sense and I think people should try to understand the implications of this move and not just oppose it blindly.
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Name the most peaceful and safe country in the world?
Do they have the same dress code we are talking about?
I find it very odd reading all these comments. Some are saying that if the Arabs need us so they better get used to it. Well I guess that argument could be applied in the West too. We need the foreigners otherwise most of our very British institutions would break down. Let us not forget we brought the foreigners into Britain to do the jobs we didn't want to or for less money. But we are telling them how to behave and dress etc too. And don't forget we are getting big salaries for our services, We aren't doing the Arabs a favour really. We are providing a service for a fee. a very big one may I add! A lot better than what we gave the foreigners in the 60's when we invited them over to Britain. They were our cheap labour.
Besides I really do think that wearing religious dress is different to them wanting us to wear modest dress. It is possibly why there are still so many values left in these countries as opposed to the breakdown of the family structure and society in the West. Come on now face it, the low crime rate and safety we enjoy in Qatar is all part of this system. I remember when I was young in the UK and we used to leave the doors open and be assured noone would burgle us. Now forget it. And it all comes down to the breakdown of the family and individuals and lack of education and guidance and morals. Sad but true.
I love my kids growing up here. When I go back to the Uk I feel scared now when I am in the street. Hoodies and thugs in the street. You go to a cashpoint and look round suspiciously at everyone. You go inside the house and lock the doors. You go into a shop and lock your car.
I think long trousers and half sleeved tops are better than loose morals and society breakdown. Don't you?
Fraggle
hehehehe! I liked that Coffee :-D
lol its already looking funny lol
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I think Qatar will look funny with thier decision! zjust imagining!
What do u have against the filipinas community ... i have noticed that u always attack them ... is it coz "The grapes are sour" or the run away maid who has spurned the advances ....
please stop attacking based on caste creed or race
If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.
I hope this MOI decision isn't because I wear shorts everywhere I go (except work). Maybe they have seen this guy wandering around with shorts just above the knee and their knicker has gotten into a knot.
Filipinas wearing revealing/tight clothing? I don't intend to sound brazen or rude. In many cases, this clothing enhances their business and attracts customers (especially at night).
okay now i to be know who is to be steal my shirt piece i about to give tailor. i to be have to go rydges and to search girl robber.
sometimes I can't walk with cut shirts on the streets or even on corniche. What can I say, but some people does not got that kind of attention that they desire deep their in both ... mind and soul. Walking around 90% almost naked is one of their options, which indicates in my opinion a high lack of self confidence, trust and abandoning what god already gifted you. Guess that even the models, look like that on stages but not on the roads.
We are not the same and everyone got that special things about him/her that makes them different somehow from the others but not a special specious of the human beings.
One last thing, uncovered sweets always bring flies around...
Even the tribals who live deep inside the jungle may have some more sensibility than the types mentioned by Xena.
Rydges Hotel, when a couple of girls came out of the elevator... one of them was wearing a, well, actually, have no idea what I would call it.... cause it was just a piece of fabric to cover the front and absolutely nothing on her back...it was totally bare....
I was gob-smacked... all I could think of was what the doorman was thinking as she walked away....
When i take my dogs to the beach in the morning, I feel underdressed in shorts and sleeveless shirt... so walking around like she was in public, would make me very self conscious...
what ARE people thinking dressing like that?
What about the European Muslims.. ? So are you saying that they also dont have the right to wear the dress that conforms to their faith? Or just because they accept or choose to follow Islam - they are deprived of their freedom ?
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I think its quite high time that the MOI came up with this. I dont think this is directed against the majority public.. like Plankton (Marc) pointed out - there are a few here who really have problems in respecting even the basic codes. I guess Qatar is trying to be more tolerant - but some of the bad apples in the community is testing their limits. I doubt if Qatar is going to go on the same lines of Saudi - but they do need some control as lately in some areas - the dress codes have really gone out of control. I dont normally like to point fingers at any particular nationality - but this is more often seen amongst Lebanese and Filipino women - but that does not mean that ALL of them are like this. But like some other posters have pointed - the westerners in general are a lot more sensitive on this matter.
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yea you are right i have seen alot around wearin same under their thob. and i heard its those whose backgroung is from fisher men from old days.
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That's kinda scary what you wrote..lol...umm, yeah! I'll shut my mouth...
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jauntie, sorry that wasn't very clear! I'm too tired now also, I'll try to explain what I meant in the morning :P
I just read my previous post, didn't quite convey the message I meant, I should have read it before I posted it...
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For example, in the US religion is supposed to be separate from government".
Supposed??? erm I think it IS seperate - Constitutionally, anyway? :D
"In Europe, it is different because not all countries are church and state separated."
I'm too tired right now to google which countries in Europe you are referring to which are run by a 'Church State'. I thought these were seperate issues in European countries. But I may be wrong.
Jauntie, I agree with you about:
"But there is also the (speaking of tits) tit-for-tat response aka I won't uncover my body and upset or offend you in your world if you, please, don't cover your face and upset or offend me in mine."
But I also think that is a whole other issue not related to having a dress code in Doha. For example, in the US religion is supposed to be separate from government so everyone has a right to wear what they want as long as it doesn't cause harm to others- veil included. In Europe, it is different because not all countries are church and state separated.
Qatar is clearly an Islamic country, and anyone that thinks is ok to walk around in skin tight pants and tiny tops is just stupid!! For that matter, anyone who wears that anywhere is not that bright :P
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To dress inappropriately, when most people understand there are different cultures around this big world of ours, is inexcusable. It's tantamount to a slap in the face to wander around wivyer tits on display or wearing a pelmet as an excuse for a skirt.
But there is also the (speaking of tits) tit-for-tat response aka I won't uncover my body and upset or offend you in your world if you, please, don't cover your face and upset or offend me in mine.
Having said that, I don't think I've seen people scantily dressed around Doha. I guess I don't go to the 'wrong' places *sigh* .. ;D
Darude what they forgot was that they also wear the same lungi under their thobe. its only in recent times that they have started wearing the pyjamas
your only allowed to sale a car in these section of your bellybutton is freely showing, your wearing tight yeans and the likes...
Sorry wrong thread.
I really don't see the problem with dressing respectfully in an Islamic country.
Both men and women should know better than to wear very revealing and tight clothing when going out in Doha. It's just common sense. But I guess it only takes one bad apple to ruin it for everyone.
Maybe if people did dress respectfully of the local culture the government wouldn't have to propose a dress code.
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i am new to this thing, how do i post a for sale (car) in the classifies section?????
yep agreed, some of them have the looks and the body to show off... and they certainly know how to do so :-)
Most westeners and almost no asians go to the real qatarie hangouts...
If you go to the "new-old souqs" then you will know what I mean... most westeners you see there look like tourists and are
fogiven, the other ones look decent. But certain ones are just way out of line !
During ramadan that was perceived as a sin, or simply way provocative.
The reason why most expats are in these country is because they are needed... so the culture here has to learn
how to deal with it.
But hey its not really that we have such a shitty live here, other ways we would not keep staing here,
wouldn't we ??
I agree. Once in awhile I see somebody wearing something and wonder what the hell they are thinking wearing such and such. And it hasnt been just the women.
If you dont live here or just got here, I guess its understandable but if youve been here longer its disrespectful in my opinion.
Lebanese women are hot hot hot. Dont play with that.
Hi @ all,
I am a european, but for some reason I get along very well with qataries... I must say I like to be in contact with native loacals, sicesince all westeners are just sort of drifting trough here.
Trought these frineds I learned a lot when it comes to respect and culture.
One of the key things in regards of dress code I have picked up now during ramadan.
Practically all westeners and asian dress appropriately in the eyes of qataries.
A big issue are the lebanese women, that are very fashion oriented and don't bother to show respect, since they have grown
up with a touch of arabic culture. Keep an eye open the next time you go out for the "provocative" dressed women and you will
see what I mean !
I don't want to pin anything on any nationality... there are "black sheeps" in every culture.
But a nationality that is part islamic should know better.
And some people have no sense at all... I saw some female joggers in tight jogging pants and just a tank top, jogging
arround the Bin Mahmoud area. I felt tempted to stop and give them a hint. But I have a feeling that some qatarie
will have harassed them enough during their journey.
Some people have simple no common sense.
Marc
Alexa
I edited my words since Alexa is sad with my statement.
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......he's after a heated debate or a bite from someone. It wont happen.........i'll chew my own ear off if it does.
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Let those who oppose such measures bark and remind them of what is happening in their own societies before trying to export such filth to the muslim world.
Yeah, like some of the Qatari girls who go to Lebanon- wear bikini's on the beach and skirts down the street....shame on them...lol
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
In Islam there is no such as the what is called the 'General Freedoms' where the peoples instincts are unleashed and strong devour the weak like in western societies. Western societies are sick, depraved and forever riddled with huge problems such as rape, sexual perversion and exploitation to name a few.
Europeans used to dress decently and conservatively in the age prior to the industrial revolution but since the onset of secularism/Capitalism together with the General Freedoms, society has been reduced to a jungle.
Islams social system regulates the interaction between women and men in public; their relationships and duties. Islam came to uphold the high values and ensure society at large was protected from any corruption no matter what type or size. It is a fact that the manner in which women and men dress has an impact upon society and Islam tackle all such problems at the root.
Although Qatar is not Islamic in real sense of the word however the majority of its inhabitants are muslim and are duty bound to Islam in all matters in life. It is only natural for the muslims emotions and thoughts to be in line with Islamic teaching. We hate what displeases God and we love what pleases Him.
Aberation such as the indecent dress codes adopted by women and especially non muslims women cannot be tolerated and must addressed to ensure the Islamic values are upheld.
Let those who oppose such measures bark and remind them of what is happening in their own societies before trying to export such filth to the muslim world.
so i to be get fine by ql ??? now i to be wear pant and save money for shirt. now i to be think i do opposite.
Maybe Police could issue spot fines if the Decent dress code was violated.
>>What would be even better is if police issued spot fines for men drooling at women, no matter HOW decent women are dressed...opps forgot, the police drool to!!
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
People lets not forget that at the beginning of this year a private club, AKA the diplomatic club, banned bikinis on its beach and pool!
A friend of mine keeps saying there are two forces pulling in two opposite directions in this country whichever wins will drive the future … I guess he has a point.
I don't believe it until I see proof.
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
"if some muslim countries have conservative regulations, that does not mean that islam/muslims are hypocrates, nor that gives you the right to generalize & make such claims. Turkey, Indonesia, Lebanon, Syria, Malaysia...etc are all muslim countries, or countries with Islam as a majority, but they don't impose their religion/traditions on other people, so you are totally wrong in what you claim.
Actually the only hypocrate countries are those who ban the dress of some religions (women head covers for example) while they claim that they are free democratic communities, where people are SUPPOSED TO BE free in what they wear."
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Bentley, of course you are right. It was a generalization. Good that you pointed that out.
I have been to several of those countries and it is totally different than in Qatar. During Ramadan, for example, non-muslims are not forced by law to abstain in public.
So, lets limit our discussion to Qatar then as the argument still stands that way.
If Qatar wants to impose dress regulations on the basis of culture, tradition, values then they should not complain nor be offended when they are forced to remove their veils in the West.
Would members of the MOI be offended by this? Consider it unfair? Discriminatory? Unreasonable?
I for one, dont give a hoot if they wear the veil or not. Doesnt bother me one bit, but that is because I have lived in the Gulf. At first, it was a bit of a weird thing.
Furthermore, considering Qatar's conservative traditions and tribal history I find them to be very tolerant. It's their country, so we must abide by their laws. If that means, no shorts so be it. Like it or lump it. Dont like it, leave. Go somewhere else. For me, its a small inconvenience for the hundreds of other things I really love about the place.
Im all for tolerance myself.
wondering what is next? looks like MOI has nothing else to do.
This is a bad move my the "ministry of interior" When I told people I was moving to Qatar many many people had lots of miss conceptions about the place, things such as public executions, no drinking, everyone dressed in black, no women driving, no cinema, male and female entrances to every where etc etc.
You get the picture.
Turns out actually Qatar is a nice place to live and not Saudi Arabia, which obviously people get confused with. Now if the Government start imposing dress codes and even arresting girls that don't adhere then the World's misconceptions about this small country will be proven correct.
And where does this end, is this a beginning of a crack down, perhaps hard line elements would like us not to Drink too.
And think of the implications long term, Qatar is trying to develop a diverse and expanded economy this will rely on ex pats from all over the World wanting to make Qatar their home. Dress codes and a moral clampdown will halt this growth before its even started.
With Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and Dubai so close and also spending millions to attract overseas tourists and business it is obvious where the money will go if such rules and clamp downs come into force.
Now of course this is an Islamic country and a conservative one at that, but the Government should have realised the implications of their investment and their willingness to attract tourists etc on the culture. The decision to open the floodgates, so to speak, has been taken trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted is a poor one. It seems trivial now but could have serious long term consequences.
Tell us what is acceptable to say?
Tell us what we can read?
Tell us what we are allowed to think about?
Wearing clothing that is not considered decent never killed anyone.
Its time governments concentrated on things that really matter and not infringing individual freedoms.
if some muslim countries have conservative regulations, that does not mean that islam/muslims are hypocrates, nor that gives you the right to generalize & make such claims. Turkey, Indonesia, Lebanon, Syria, Malaysia...etc are all muslim countries, or countries with Islam as a majority, but they don't impose their religion/traditions on other people, so you are totally wrong in what you claim.
Actually the only hypocrate countries are those who ban the dress of some religions (women head covers for example) while they claim that they are free democratic communities, where people are SUPPOSED TO BE free in what they wear.
wear a lungi b4 going to bed am sure you will sleep well and when you wake up you might find your self naked :D
Jauntie sister since when Jauntie got service in hospital. Sister i got headache ;)
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I just remembered ... our company driver was wearing a lungi (with a shirt) when he came to collect us a few weeks ago. It was some sort of National Day for Kerala.
I'm done for the day, I'm fried with this lungi, sarong, dhoti, MALABARI AND BANGALI bullcrapers I'm going to bed! Flock all this non comprendo words overwhelming my fences. Good Night! Enjoy my paintings.
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that one just like when a male wrap towel after having shower. lets see how pope looks wearing that lungi. there is bit diff in lungi and dhoti.
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A lungi is like a sarong, isn't it - that twerp David Beckham was photographed wearing one a few years ago.
"A garment for the lower body, like a dhoti but worn differently. In Southern India lungis are sometimes doubled up and worn as high as mid-thigh"
when i meet you i will show you dont worry even will show you that piece fof cloth and will force you to wear it.
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What is MALABARI AND BANGALI? SPEAK ENGLISH YOU AMERICANO EDUCADO!
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
Ive seen some absolutely stunning Qatari women. I hope they dont do that.
yea they did embark that malabari stop wearing that piece of cloth know is lungi in public. you see them in mosque you see them in market you see them in street.
And Jauntie there is no such thing it was just piece of cloth worn by malabari and bangali.
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Dress codes for expats.. what about the locals? I've seen Qatari ladies with open or body-hugging abayas, and some do not cover their heads at all. Isn't this supposed to be more offensive for them as these girls are their own?
Its in the Peninsula. Which btw is always good for a chuckle.
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=Local_News&month=October2007&file=Local_News2007101422222.xml
Part of the problem is, it is easier for a liberal and free society to accept more conservative dress but difficult for a conservative society to accept more liberal dress.
In my opinion, it is perfectly understandable and acceptable that we would be expected to dress more conservatively in Qatar. Obviously Qataris would not be likely to offend people in Western societies with their dress because it is a more liberal culture.
The veil, however, is a sticking point because covering the face in the West is offensive. There are also practical reasons for why it is frowned upon.
That's that. Shall we move onto the hypcrocrisy of not being able to openly practice your own religion in the Gulf, with millions of Muslims doing so freely in Western societies and even in some cases pushing for Sharia law!!!
Ridiculous.
Islam is supposed to be a religion of tolerance and compromise so Im told. However, some have been so bold as to claim that the West is more Islamic than the Arab World in this respect.
You still haven't told us where you read or heard about this. So far we have no way of knowing whether this is just a rumour or not.
WHERE DID YOU HEAR that the "MOI is embarking on a campaign to ensure that expatriates follow a decent dress code." ??
Many are compelled to depend on religion for their bread and butter... Circumstances...So the tolerance limits will vary from person to person, Gauging the level of tolerance this law might have come into place.....
I believe in God, not religion.
That is irrelevant. Nuns are European. They can do whatever they want cause its their country and their tradition.
Wouldn't the Qataris agree with that?
EDITED POST: And whilst I'm editing this post may I ask again where you read about this, please.
Did you read this in the news somewhere? Which newspaper, please.
I'm not sure what sort of dress code they mean, but I certainly wouldn't want Qatar to turn into a mini KSA with Matowa patrolling the streets and malls looking for a bare ankle to paint green.
If you look on any website regarding Qatari culture, or even the British Airways' site (I think) and elsewhere, there are paragraphs on how to dress so's to not to cause offense to the Qataris.
Are they going to insist Indian ladies cover up their midrifts?
Desperado you seem to revile religions.
My first comment was facitious to say the least.
The world has gone mad when items of clothing can be construed as offensive to others.
I'm glad that is the only issue in the world we have to deal with.
Never mind starving kids in Africa or innocent people being killed in wars, lets punish someone whose sleeves are not the right colour.
Perhaps we should just issue everyone with orange coveralls and be done with it!!(Waterproof version for those who want to use the swimming pool)
Well, the Muslims certainly have no monopoly on hypocrisy. Most religions and religious people are uttlerly non-sensical and hypocritical.
Same s h i t, different smell.
Desperado have you ever asked the nuns in Europe to stop wearing the scarf? or wear full elngth dresses?
I thought for a moment, I was conservative in my words. You definitely stole the show with your Introductory sentence... Your courage is my fortitude when it comes to Hypocrites...
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
I'll give you the a full clip of Silver bullets, keep it coming... While I reload my water pistol with Holy Water...
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“The State of Qatar is a conservative Arab country and has its own traditions and customs derived from the originality of its history and people brought up on Islamic religious values. So please respect these customs in your dressings.
“If your are here on visit/business/work, obey the laws of this country and your respect to these laws will help you to avoid violations…..” the guidelines continue.
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I find the Muslims utterly and completely hypocritical on this issue. When you are in their country they expect you to respect the laws and traditions of the land irregardless of your own values and beliefs. Yet, when they are in your country they cry foul if they are asked to do the same and claim discrimination, racism and Islamophobia.
The recent controversy over the veil in Europe is a perfect example. For many reasons, among them being "the laws and traditions of the land" it is not appropriate for people to cover their face in public in European society.
Let me make a little revision on the paragraph posted above:
“The continent of Europe is a liberal and free continent and has its own traditions and customs derived from the originality of its history and people brought up on Western values. So please respect these customs in your dressings.
“If your are here on visit/business/work, obey the laws of this country and your respect to these laws will help you to avoid violations…..” the guidelines continue.
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You are allowed to use the rest room only thrice a day and you have to swipe in and out from the toilet doors also.
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They most be getting the ideas from the fashion patrol of Iran.
I could see that ruling in place in government buildings, but not on the street or public places.
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
Ick.
It goes to show that all countries have problems.
They sure know how to embark themselves in a lot of wasteful ideas. Enlighten me with more proof of this subject.
Wait until the rains arrive and tell me something about street sewage, stagnant pools of water for days because they have no where to go and pilings of garbage up to your door steps. Because they for forgot to pick your garbage in your neighborhood.
Freaking Idiotic thoughts.
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
That's kind of what I'm wondering. It would all be objective based on the police person's opinion that day. You would certainly hope people would dress with common sense, and at least wear long trousers when out, or make sure their short sleeves come to around the elbow or just above, but I've seen a lot of people who seem to think dressing this way is too much.
As far as the 'long trousers are hot' argument, you don't have to buy heavy materials in hot climates. Jeans are made from light material, really comfortable, and fairly inexpensive.
But what should it matter how I dress anyway? Even if I dress respectfully, I, as a single younger woman, still get openly gawked at by lonely construction men. Not just glanced at, but the open gawking. It's a bit old...
Yes that's a great idea. Perhaps you could define to us what would be decent?
Maybe Police could issue spot fines if the Decent dress code was violated.