The dreaded Past Indefinite

Segmund
By Segmund

Somehow I have noticed that a lot of people have a particular aversion to using the past indefinite tense in the correct way and it is more so with the negative and interrogative rather than the affirmative.

I have encountered a good number of people who can speak quite adequate English but their proficiency is undermined by the occasional but serious mistake of verb tense in this particular situation.

I would like ot just give a few example of some sentence and I hope that would help, at least some of us.

Example 1.

I went to school. (positive)
I did not 'go' to school. (negative)
Did I 'go' to school? (interrogative)

Example 2.
The servants knew. (positive)
The servants did know (emphatic positive)

Example 3.
He used to drive few years ago.

The following sentences are grammatically INCORRECT and must be avoided.

1. I did not went to school.
2. The servants did knew.
3. He used to drove a few years back.

I hope this effort is worth some while.

By anonymous• 25 Sep 2012 08:52
anonymous

It is surprising that someone can type with his head so far up his a**

By ghazalz• 24 Sep 2012 23:54
ghazalz

Please...

By Segmund• 24 Sep 2012 23:44
Segmund

Well, the concept of a word being silent was present in many grammar books until just a couple of decades ago. Nowadays, it is, however, not used that often.

For someone who is fluent in English, this should just come naturally without giving it any thought. But for learners, it can, and often does, cause problems. They are better off aware of the rules.

By britexpat• 24 Sep 2012 23:37
britexpat

To be honest (silent "h"), I've never really thought about it. It just comes naturaly and feels right.

By Segmund• 24 Sep 2012 23:29
Segmund

The expression hard h and silent h are not accurate. A word beginning with h may be pronounced with a consonant or a vowel.

By Segmund• 24 Sep 2012 23:27
Segmund

You just dont think only, you are perfectly correct. It has something to do with phonetics. When two vowels come together, they can only make a dipthong which usually belongs to a single word. It is phonetically impracticable. Just try to say the following sentence.

A apple a hour is always a amazing treat. You will see how difficult it becomes to say it in fast speech.

Whenever a word beginning with h is pronounced with a vowel (usually an a), 'an' and not 'a' has to be used. Whenever the consonant 'h' is used, only 'a' is acceptable and never 'an'.

... I take a high road, and you take a low road. [Bernard Shaw]

My kingdom needs an heir; I need a son. [Beowulf]

By britexpat• 24 Sep 2012 23:22
britexpat

Yes you did :O)

Well done !

By nomerci• 24 Sep 2012 23:19
nomerci

Brit, isn;t that what I just said?

By britexpat• 24 Sep 2012 23:16
britexpat

I have always been under the impression that If the word is pronounced with a hard "h", then use an "a". (house, hotel). Use an "a" if the "h" is silent. (honour, hour)

By RyanCanuck• 24 Sep 2012 22:48
RyanCanuck

Segmund, are you calling people names again?

By nomerci• 24 Sep 2012 21:12
nomerci

I think it is AN hour, but a house...simply because the H is not pronounced in hour, but it is in house. Words beginning with

a,e,i, o u need AN.

By Segmund• 24 Sep 2012 18:35
Segmund

You can say this only in the English your mommy taught you:

An hot summer. An high road. An Hell.

Your mommy probably taught you this:

A hour. A honorable lord.

Your mommy was right, as long as the conversation was limited to the four walls of your house, but nowhere else in New Zealand, nor in Britain, nor in the United States of America the above can be deemed grammatically correct.

I was seriously thinking you knew a little bit of English, but now I am convinced that by calling you stupid, I would just be insulting the whole community of people with a low intelligence. Get a life loser.

By anonymous• 24 Sep 2012 00:03
anonymous

Didn't you see the titties? English has always had the rule 'an before an H word'. Yank English = butchered English.

"In some Maori accents" How many Maori accents do you know? And what ones start their sentences with 'An'?

You telling me to look it up? Clearly you have not. Make sure your advice and accusations are factual before commenting.

By Segmund• 23 Sep 2012 23:19
Segmund

In some Maori accents yes, but in British English, which is the gold standard by far, it is a Havana, not an. Why do you not look it up in a dictionary.

By anonymous• 23 Sep 2012 20:58
anonymous

Brit, that should be 'an' Havana. ( o Y o )

By anonymous• 18 Sep 2012 15:11
anonymous

I heard she had left because you couldn't carry her put. (Past Perfect used in reported speech).

By britexpat• 18 Sep 2012 15:07
britexpat

My Cuban Shotputter rolled a Havana on her thighs.

My Cuban Shotputter did not want to leave Qatar.

Did my Cuban Shotputter leave Qatar of her own accord ?

By blisteringbarnacles2007• 18 Sep 2012 15:00
blisteringbarnacles2007

WTF... I thought I landed on some e-learning website...lol

By Segmund• 16 Sep 2012 18:19
Segmund

Thanks a bunch.

By RyanCanuck• 16 Sep 2012 18:13
RyanCanuck

I see. So...complete opposite meaning to FFS. Good to know!

By dohabunny• 16 Sep 2012 18:02
dohabunny

Ryan, TFS like Thanks For Sharing.

By RyanCanuck• 16 Sep 2012 17:41
RyanCanuck

Is TFS like FFS?

By dohabunny• 16 Sep 2012 17:35
dohabunny

TFS Segmund.

By AngelinaBallerina• 16 Sep 2012 17:31
AngelinaBallerina

Who cares unless one is writing an academic paper??!!!

By anonymous• 16 Sep 2012 17:28
anonymous

Sorry. Just in a bit of a bad mood and feel like being a Negative Nelly.

By Segmund• 16 Sep 2012 16:30
Segmund

Thanks for your correction. I agree, you are right.

As to whether it is relevant to QatarLiving, certainly it is. Because so far I have seen this specific problem with too many people with otherwise adequate English. It sounds a bit awkward, at least to me, to find someone make such a silly mistake.

I am not saying I am any authority on English. My own English needs a great deal of overhaul. And I should ever be so thankful to you, if you could continue, with the same zeal, provided the zeal is genuine in nature, and provided no criticism for the sake of criticism is what you mean by it.

Yes, you rock! Thanks again.

By AngelinaBallerina• 16 Sep 2012 16:11
AngelinaBallerina

Also the usual spelling of 'to' is 'to' NOT ot.............

By RyanCanuck• 16 Sep 2012 14:52
RyanCanuck

By .sun26872• 16 Sep 2012 14:27
.sun26872

Sentences like 'I shall have to be get going'

By .sun26872• 16 Sep 2012 14:25
.sun26872

Look at the ungratefulness of these QL kinds, OP you certainly deserve better than this.Next time, try future perfect indefinite.

By fred2265• 16 Sep 2012 12:24
fred2265

It is more important to make yourself understood than to be grammatically perfect.

By Rizks• 16 Sep 2012 12:20
Rizks

ROFL paint..her ! :)

By painther• 16 Sep 2012 12:20
painther

tinker what is gaaaaddd :P, missing spellings??

By strawberry_shisha• 16 Sep 2012 11:55
strawberry_shisha

mafi malum englisi :D

By Prism• 16 Sep 2012 11:42
Prism

OP seems to have got carried away by a couple of compliments on QL....:)

By anonymous• 16 Sep 2012 10:41
anonymous

Even in your language, Mike, 'ingles' should have a capital 'I' at the beginning!

By anonymous• 16 Sep 2012 10:34
anonymous

Yo no hablo ingles

By anonymous• 16 Sep 2012 10:33
anonymous

Grammar Nazi schooled..

By .sun26872• 16 Sep 2012 10:31
.sun26872

This great favor of yours to the human kind (QL kinds) shall be remembered on the ' Day of Judgement'.

By Molten Metal• 16 Sep 2012 10:20
Molten Metal

Thanks for your righteous deed .. correcting mistakes .. God bless you !

By painther• 16 Sep 2012 10:12
painther

so the preacher (segmund) needs a lesson from kiwi in qatar...LOL

funny!

By .sun26872• 16 Sep 2012 09:40
.sun26872

Sorry, English Grammar.

By .sun26872• 16 Sep 2012 09:39
.sun26872

hahaha.........one Noble Prize in English literature.

By Khanan• 16 Sep 2012 09:39
Khanan

'Does it really matter that much on QL? As long as people are communicating and are being understood, who really cares?'

By anonymous• 16 Sep 2012 09:27
anonymous

The pot calling the kettle black?

"adequate English" should be 'English adequately'.

"like ot just" should be 'like to just'.

"a few example of some sentence" should be 'a few examples of some sentences' or 'an example of a sentence' or 'an example of some sentences'.

"The servants knew. (positive)" should be ' The servants knew (positive).

"The servants did know (emphatic positive)" should be 'The servants did know (emphatic positive).'

"INCORRECT" should be 'incorrect'.

"I hope this effort is worth some while." doesn't make sense. Should be 'I hope you found this useful.'

Does it really matter that much on QL? As long as people are communicating and are being understood, who really cares?

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