Does this man deserve to die ?

By all means. Why waste taxpayers money in keeping him on life term from which he may even escape on grounds of good behavior. However, give me an extremely painful death so that the next guy thinks 100 times before thinking of doing it.

stone the Ba#t@rd to death..:)

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Law is to balance emotions safety justice & repentance.

and how many of them have died torturous deaths at the hands of fellow inmates, I'd think the death penalty would be a lesser tormenting punishment than a life imprisonment. Besides even if he didn't intend on killing her, he still committed a crime that warrants capital punishment in many parts of the world!

However I do acknowledge I am not a learned judge.. just an emotional mother, and thankfully not tried with the agony the baby's mom is in today! So really neither can I say with certainty that my judgement of what the criminal deserves is correct, nor can I say what I would have done if in the unfortunate mother's position!

MM, sure, as the parents have made the wrong choices. EVERYBODY has to take responsibility and stop playing the blame game.

Just because the school is there NM, it doesn't mean the child will go. You hear cases all the time of neglected children who don't attend school, grow up in violent households/neighborhoods, etc. These are the kids who turn into criminals because they know no other way of life. Prison should be looked at as an opportunity to teach them another way of life.

I think people should be taught and then forced to take care of themselves, uphold the law and live with the consequences if they do not.

In the West, every citizen CAN get a decent education which enables him/her to take care of themselves.

With those opportunities there is no need to live on the streets or to commit crimes. People have choices. It all depends on making the right ones.

You life is a right, liberty is a privilege.

First off, things like TV, Playstation, & education are not guaranteed in prison, they are given as rewards for good behavior. As is being allowed to exercise, being allowed out of your cell, being allowed to socialize, etc. All of this is taken away swiftly if you cross the lines.

Jailers need methods to control the prison population, or prisoners riot, harm others, go insane, etc. You cannot keep them locked up in their cells 100% of the time, they do need to eat and wash.

Also, these people who are living on the streets who commit crimes to go into prison in the winter, what crimes are they committing? Murder? No. Usually petty theft, vandalism, etc. These people are not monsters, they are totally able to be rehabilitated. Countries like Norway, Sweden, etc with strong rehabilitation programs have the lowest rates of re-offending criminals. I can't remember where I read it, but Con's the earn a GED in prison are over 50% less likely to re-offend when on the outside, Cons that earn a University are over 80% less likely to re-offend.

People generally commit crime due to poverty, lack of education, and drug use, these are all fixable things, and perhaps if the US spent less money on executing one guy and more on work & education programs in prison, they would see their prison populations go down.

There have been many instances of criminals fleeing jails... in many countries...sometimes due to fire and sometimes of natural disasters... there should not be any iota of chance... for a criminal to repeat his crime... especially of pedos & rapist...

It makes much less sense to keep a person in jail away from the society like a zoo animal...

MM by your yardstick... if we have no right to take away life of the criminal... neither do we have the right to take away his liberty...

smoke, take a look at this :http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people

smoke, in some countries people commit crimes BECAUSE they want to live in prison.

It is better for them than to live on the street in winter.

Prisons often offer opportunities to get an education, to have 3 meals a day, medical and psycholigical assistance , Plus, there are no responsibilities, all is taken care of...which is handy for those who can't or do not want to handle their lives themselves.

Just so you know inmates dont take kindly to pedos and child rapists in prison..let nature takes its course :P

Doesn't matter, if he is not executed by the state, the inmates at the prison he is in will kill him.. ..oh, I didn't intend to murder him officer (says a relative of the baby)' I just wanted to give him severe lead provisioning....

I don't judge the guy, but ending his air consumption on the planet is fine by me...

So how many of you would prefer sleeping in a 4x4 cell with Big Poppa crapping while you try to sleep..for the rest of your life? Show of hands please!

Smoke, unfortunately, in the West prisons are often just as comfortable as hotels.

My friend was getting cigarettes and milk as well in UK.

Three meals a day

Exercise

Tv

Play station

In my humble argument " As a human being if someone did not value other Human Being's life why should I value his(killer's) life???

You guys make it sound like going to prison is a holiday package. how many of you have been to prison? Providing a criminal 3 meals a day is not a luxury. LOL

LLR: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

Also, for all the incidences you just mentioned, none of those people would be deterred by the death penalty. Because the vast majority of them would think they were smart enough to get away with it!

BB, the chances of a someone escaping prison are very, very slim and they are usually caught right away. As for the victim or victims parents paying for the food and "leisure" ofa rapist or killer, we all pay taxes in democratic countries for A LOT of reasons, keeping criminals off the streets is just one of those things.

Miss Mimi... what if he escapes?... even if he doesnt escape...Why should the victim or the victim's parent pay for the food and leisure of a rapist or killer?

Since indirectly the victim/potential victims are paying for his food and leisure...

So what do you do with a man who is out of his senses by being drunk had a sexual urge to rape a 6 month old baby who unfortunately died? You put him to death? Then the law is at fault for it does not satisfy its own condition of a crime being committed under "intent to murder" yet the punishment is given. How is that justice?

All oranges are not apples.

Smokey...That is exactly my point it..in situations u really dont bother what laws and rules are...but not always people kill each other cuz they lost their temper..more often furious last temepered murderers shot themselves at the crime scence itself..

What about people who killed others

*to hide their mistakes

*not to keep any evidence of their BS deeds

*to get some extra profit

*to release their erection

*to clear obstacles in their success..

Serial killer will not stop killing hence as a whole society we made and agreed on laws to punish him.

Mimi would really appreciate if you gimme a the source of the statistics you are talking about.

"Every year from 1990 until today, states without the death penalty have had lower murder rates, with an average reduction of about 25%. This appears to show that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent, but correlation does not imply causation. It’s possible that states with higher murder rates are the slowest to ban the death penalty.

A more accurate statistic would be one that looks at the crime rate of a state before and after it abolished the death penalty, i.e. did the crime rate go up?

Not a whole lot of states have abolished the death penalty. Some of them abolished it too long ago for there to be easily-accessible statistics, and others abolished it too recently for the data to be worth anything. The only really prime states are Massachusetts, North Dakota, and the District of Columbia.

This table http://mtgap.bilfo.com/Death%20Penalty%20Stats.pdf contains useful statistics. Data is from http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/ . The table gives the average murder rate from 1960 to 2008, the average murder rate before abolition of the death penalty, and the average murder rate after abolition."

Source: http://mtgap.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/death-penalty-a-look-at-the-numbers/

shame on you jungly kutte! lol

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We've had the death penalty since the dawn of time, and there's till murders and rapists. How many more thousands of years are we going to have to have it before we figure out that it doesn't work?

I learn something new every day :P

Tackle - goolies, nads,, family jewels

tackle ? :(

First they should remove his "tackle". then he should be in jail for the rest of his life.

Really..everyday there will be a new killer a new rapist.

atleast we wont have killers,rapist on loose ?

LLR my friend if we are going to think practically tell me, If a person knew he would get the death penalty "for sure" if he killed another person do you really think that person will not kill? If i'm in a fit of rage at that moment i kill someone i'm not bothered about what happens to me afterwards, but then i might repent, should i not be then spared the death penalty and given a life in prison to regret my killing?

Or lets say a serial killer for example, you think he will stop killing at ONE person just coz of the death penalty..you kill one or you kill thousands..punishment will be the same. So there again is no such "guarantee" that having the death penalty will stop people from killing.

he should be made to suffer for the rest of his life by shackling vices around his ankles and then pulling apart very very slowly every day......

It's not moot because this state does allow it ..

"Human beings are mixture of good bad ego power jealous and all those BS. Technically if you are sure that you will be locked up for a life if you kill someone it will just increase more killings."

There is no evidence that this is true. In fact, statistics from States with the death penalty vs. States without, show that states with the death penalty have higher violent crime & murder rates than states without.

The death penalty does not act as a deterrent.

Ok stick to the topic please..guy here is convicted.

They are not killers, they are people who are authorised by the people (the society)to stop more killings with a condition that they wont be waived from it.

Human beings are mixture of good bad ego power jealous and all those BS. Technically if you are sure that you will be locked up for a life if you kill someone it will just increase more killings.

No one is angle here. I have been friend with some jobless people..after trying for few months I heard these sentences from them "Ohh i wish i go to prison cuz I will at least get free food and place to sleep" So just imagine if ur sure you will be locked up for life then people will purposely kill each other.

If everyone of us is stable in terms of money mind morals you can apply these laws of just locking them up for life...but we r not same..some of us are ready to die just to satisfy their ego..

Think practically...In fact after all these strict laws you cant stop crimes (100%)then what you are expecting by easing these laws?

Well in the vast majority of democracy's they don't. This is all really moot, because more countries are getting rid of the death penalty than are enacting it.

Whilst We may have our own views on taking life, the fact is that in a democracy , the state and the people agree with the death penalty.

BB people kill everyday, there is always something that will trigger a person to kill, so killing 1 person will not essentially save 100. Also you cannot say that he will kill another 100 if he is left to live if he is in prison.

From another point of view...What if he himself commits suicide?

You can save 100 lives by killing no one. By locking him up for life.

If you can save 100 lives by killing 1 then why not?

Cause he is going to maul atleast 100 in his life time at an average of 2 or 3 every year...

In some cases the innocent lives of people wrongfully convicted.

peace...

Yasir, does anyone have the right to take a life?

I think you should talk to executioners than.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/25/i-committed-murder.html

Then, as your signature says, "I can't comprehend it for you" ...

Lets agree to disagree.

Yes, they are all killers.

I don't think the people who do justice live with guilt.

Can you differentiate between:

a) Killing intentionally

b) killing in self defense

c) Killing by accident

d) etc.

So, they all are same, right? "KILLERS"

PUNISH BUT DON'T KILL

How am I not showing mercy for others Yasir?

I don't want the executioners to have to live with his death on their conscience, or the wardens, the jury, the judge, the lawyers, the Governor, or the taxpayers.

None has right to judge. if we killed him for his sin what will be the point of difference between him and us?

No i don't agree the statement.

They have the death penalty yes, however its there for those that commit "intentional" murder, first degree murder, even if the person commits first degree murder but is clinically proven insane he cant be given the death penalty. Look at the number of death sentences they have had over the past just 50.

The Taxpayer's money is not wasted on keeping him just alive..its being spent on keeping a criminal away from society at the same time letting him pay for his crimes in jail.

Oh I missed that point. Asking for mercy is ok. He is also a Human Being but should not be pardoned. The easiest way to kill him is to cut his head as scientifically you will have a very little pain if you die like that. Though it looks horrible to see blood shed but the person who is dying will have no pain as soon his veins disconnected from each other.

To kill someone to protect other innocent human beings or your own self in defence will not make you a killer. In my opinion you will be a hero.

And always amaze me how the people show all the mercy towards the criminals and not for the other human beings.

So you rather the taxpayer kill him?

It never ceases to amaze me that people who are pro-death penalty tend to be as blood thirsty and callous as the people they want to kill.

Totally agree with "Such guys are lunatic... there is no cure.."

besides, this will serve as deterrent for the people who will think about it.

Smoke gas a point. However this State does have the death penalty and in this case it must be used.

I for one don't see the need for the taxpayer to bear the costs of his upkeep

Even for the argument's sake, if I agree that it cost more money to put him to death than to keep him alive (food, shelter, cloths, etc.), this could not be the reason to keep him alive, right?

Agree wiht rizks, my view will not change based on age of the victim as well.

He has to die... so that he may not pass on his DNA to others... thats the cheapest way...

Such guys are lunatic... there is no cure...

An Eye for An Eye...and all that bullcrap!

its not revenge, its called punishment in the book of laws.

He should be punished in such a manner that they should set an example for other's who dare to do these kinda shameful act intentionally or influentially.

Brit i've said it before too, I would also like to see him tortured and then put to death..but as we say Law is THE LAW :(

No matter if the victim is 80Yrs old or 80seconds old, my views wouldnt have changed...coz a crime is a crime and the punishment should be given according to the crime committed.

in this case - its death ? regardless of the age.

and the loop holes can be filled with Cement....:)

Agree with Smoke. It costs more tax money to keep someone on death row than it does to keep them in prison for life.

Also, SOMEONE has to kill that person. Even if you have 5 or 6 people pressing the button, shooting the gun, or pulling the lever, SOMEONE has just become a killer themselves by doing so. We have no right to turn others into killers for our sense of revenge.

First of all he is not asking to be pardoned of his crime, he is asking for mercy to be shown towards him getting the death penalty..this in no way means he will be let off scott free. There will be a punishment eventually.

Secondly I'm not saying this is adultery i was giving you an example. The crime for adultery in many rural villages of India/Pakistan/Afghanistan for example is death FYI.

it was not adultery.. he was drunk..he sexually assaulted 6 months baby girl and she died... This is not adultery. I have friends who get drunk like dead but never tried to harm anyone. It is your real heart which makes you do things u think before you get drunk.

Death by accidents have different approach. The person who was involved will have shame and will try to compensate to the victims family as much as he can. If it was an accident most of us can assure that he wont repeat the same again but in this case u cant assure it.

Personally If I get drunk and commit that sin I myself will ask government to kill me or hang me cuz the pain of shame would never let me live...here this guy want to be pardon because he has no shame...if he has no shame he will do the same again.

Smoke . Personally I do believe that in this instance his actions do detested the death penalty

Thankfully punishments are not handed out based on emotions.

But according to the article it was not his intention to kill only sexually assault. If the victim was a 80 year old then would your views change about putting him to death if the old lady had died after he assaulted her?

These are called loop holes my friend :)

Of course he MUST die.

The only mercy that he can get is to be killed by a gun, Direct to his damn head.

Did anybody thought how painful it was for the baby girl!!!

If someone is killed due to some accident, i dont think he deserves death penalty.

but if someone intentionally does tat - then yes, he deserves a death penalty.

From an emotional point of view yes many will say put him to death, but then again is the death penalty applicable for someone who commits adultery..if the law says yes does it suit the crime?

If you kill someone in an accident does that call for a death penalty?

Yeah he deserves death.. As a civilian I dont want government to spend my money (taxes) on him by keeping in prison.

He made a huge loss..he did not kill the baby girl he killed her whole next generation which was suppose to come from her.

If you take the death penalty out from your laws, now or later, one day no one will feel safe in this planet.

I want laws something like Newtons Law action/equal reaction.

If you just let these people (criminals) today or tomorrow they will form a group and you know what happens next.

The answer is simple...NO

Its not just about what he did, if he is allowed to live then tomorrow there will be 10 more cases of child molestation. Law should always be fearful

"sexually assault his girlfriend's 6-month-old daughter"

How it's sound?

And it led that baby girl to death,,,

He must be punish and btm nobody should think about raping in their entire life, a punishment should prevent the crime,for mistakes there must be second chance for sure. But this crime is all over above!

he should die as early as possible.

My tail is in constant motion...hard to catch :P

Or cat by the tail :)

Thelonius a little common sense please, agreed i was generalizing however the baby being 6 months old or any baby for that matter unable to defend itself cant be considered responsible for its own actions of being defenseless now can it? Dont try to catch the bull by the tail here.

By general population I mean general prison population. Not to many kids in prison. But there are a lot of big, violent men willing to make him their b****

Thelonius that statement was directed to the man who killed not the baby.

rizks i think she meant Prison's General Population :P

and if he is left in general population, wat if he does the same crime again ?

he will be left again in general population and again keeps on doing the same crime again and again and so on....

All the court rooms should be demolished and make it a barber shop....

Everyone deserves to live in this world. Our actions determine how we will live. The law tells us how we should behave and the consequences of breaking the law with its punishment.

Killing him would be too easy. He should suffer.

He should be killed. Not like hanging or lethal injection. He should be totured severely for several days and then kill him. This should be an eye opener to all.

Personally I think he should be allowed to live out the rest of his life in general population. He'll get to experience every single day how that baby felt. Much better than a quick, painless death by execution.

One cannot argue with such a statement..

Does this man deserve to live in this world anymore???

If we know that they will not survive long in space, then why go to all that hassle ?

I think they should Rizks. It's barbaric.

The punishment for rape depends on the circumstances

involved. In general,rape is considered a

first-degree felony, but there is a mandatory te

rm for some of the conduct. If an offender

administers a drug to the victim (violating §2907.02 (A)(1)(a)), the punishment is at least five

years imprisonment. If an offender uses force or

threat of force (violating §2907.02 (A)(2)), the

punishment is life imprisonment. Additionally, if the victim of this force is less than ten years of

age, life imprisonment is the punishment (see §2907.02 (B), 2002

No, he'd still be charged with manslaughter or second degree murder, not simply rape. However manslaughter and 2nd degree murder don't carry the death penalty with them.

MM, then i think all the courts should delete from their law books the pushishment of 'HANGING'...

Again as the law states, he will/should be tried for "rape" and not murder.

Brit as long as I know he's locked up for the rest of his miserable life I would be as satisfied as I could be. Killing him wouldn't bring my child back.

OK, wat if he was not drunk and he did this crime and pleaded for mercy and said he didnt intend to kill the baby but only wanted to s.assault her ?

will he deserve to die then or Spared ?

the capital punishment.

also this guy need to be hanged...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303120/Mick-Philpott-Vile-product-welfare-UK-Man-bred-17-babies-women-milk-benefits-guilty-killing-them.html

I disagree. I don't believe that a government has the right to kill anyone either.

Did a google search and here it is:

Unlawful Sexual Conduct with a Minor

This statute would be considered the statutory rape law. This is defined as,

no person who is eighteen years of age or

older shall engage in sexual conduct with

another...when the offender knows the other person is thirteen years of age or older

but less than sixteen years of age, or th

e offender is reckless in that regard (Ohio

Revised Code, §2907.04, 2000).

What is interesting about this statute is that th

e victim’s age is narrowly drawn – between thirteen

and sixteen. If a victim is under thirteen years of age, however, the offender can be charged with

rape.

Regarding punishment, there is a distinction based

on the age difference between the offender and

victim. If the offender is less than four years ol

der than the victim, the offense is treated as a

first-degree misdemeanor. If the offender is ten years or older or more than the victim, the

offense is treated as a third-degree felony.

All other offenses are treated as fourth-degree

felonies.

As a mother of a toddler, would you accept his plea for mercy ?

I dont know Rizks...i'm not familiar with Ohio's law on that :P

and wat punishment is for 'sexual assault of the minor' ?

cut his pen** - but let him live...

He deserves to be tortured first and then die a slow and painful death.

That being said..the "Law" states the death penalty to those that "intend" to kill. In his plea he says he didnt "intend" to kill. But a death has occurred due to his other intent to sexually assault the baby. In such a case the death penalty cannot be given coz thats like saying I intended to get drunk and dive a car but didnt mean to meet with an accident and kill the other person.

He should be judged for the sexual assault of the minor.

yeah we don't, the government does. For the people who have earned it, like this case.

forget the Ohio law (intent or no intent), what those have to say who are against capital punishment?

We don't have the right to kill anyone.

so Mr.Smith thought tat he can sexually assualt the poor angle and the court will let him get away easily ?

Whereas, if he says to the court tat he didnt intend to kill the baby and only wanted to sexually assualt the baby - the court will say "OK no problem, go away and dont repeat it again " ? WTF :(

Cut his private parts that aroused the Intentions to sexually assault that little angel and then hang him till death

he didnt intend to kill her but he intended to sexually assualt her ? :(

So wat is the courty waiting for ? HANG tat ba$tard i say.

No!

I'm just asking for your opinion given the circumstances...