Do you this funny character?
Nasreddin is a satirical Sufi figure, claimed as one of them by many ethnic groups[1], among them the Turkish people who believe him to have lived during the Middle Ages (around 13th century), in Aksehir, and later in Konya, under the Seljuq rule. Nasreddin is considered a populist philosopher and wise man of Turkish culture, remembered for his funny stories and anecdotes.[2] Origin and legacyNasreddin may possibly have lived in Anatolia, Turkey, born in Hortu Village in Sivrihisar, Eskisehir in the 13th century, then settled in Aksehir, and later in Konya, where he died (probably born in 1209 CE and died 1275/6 or 1285/6 CE).[3][4] As generations have gone by, new stories have been added to the Nasreddin corpus, others have been modified, and he and his his tales have spread to many regions.
More can be found in the source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasreddin
Some funny storie I remember about this guy is: One time Nasreddin was coming to the city on his donkey and when Nasreddin arrived, Nasreddin's friend said I knew you from your donkey, Nasreddin said wow donkeys know each other. Another one Nasreddin was walking and his son was on the donkey, when the people saw that they said look at this son who does respect his father, Nasreddin heard that and changed position, people again spoke and said look at this father who has no mercy for his son, Nasreddin heard that, then Nasreddin carried the donkey. One of the ideas behind this post beside having fun is that satisfying all people is impossible, second is a message for who claimed that opening a cinema for ladies only here in Qatar is a step backword!! Now we gave the women here in Qatar more option so she has now more freedome, this more freedome is not welcomed by some of the people who are seeking for women rights, isn't this strange?
Imagine you are in the center and on you right there is a person with a laser 1 meter from you and on the left also one person who laughs crazily and is 1 meter from you, and all of you in a straight line and suddenly I asked the guys on the right and left to go back 1 meter in straight line and you remain in the same position,can you look at both guys at the same moment?
and think of different ways to go home but at the end if select the wrong way and get in trouble we should blame our self.
bald2rickdogs in the normal cinema these silly boys make funny sounds and use laser and lough crazely, this might be one of the reasons.
I thought it was related to the driving the car metaphor?
OK, without eyes in the back of my head I can't see either of them, but I still fail to see what this has to do with a women's only cinema, unless men are allowed to sit at the front but can't turn round to see the women?
blank stare
sorry for that guys, also in this experiment you are not allowed to turn.
I could turn around and see them both, but I fail to see any relevence?And for the record, without blinkers I can see 180 degrees or sometimes more :o)http://www.artinarch.com/vp05.html
good answer LLP, so this means that there things which we can not do at the same time.
Maybe I can't see them, but I can smell them, and I can hear them breathe, and i can feel their aura. I will notice that I'm not alone. And my brain will create my environment.
Imagine you are in the center and on you right there is a person 1 meter from you and on the left also one person who is 1 meter from you, and all of you in a straight line and suddenly I asked the guys on the right and left to go back 1 meter in straight line and you remain in the same position,can you look at both guys at the same moment?
Assume the room you all in has no mirrors and you are not allowed to use any kind of reflection.
Ha, ha. Thanks for the good joke, b2d.
LP, more to the point, I'd stop at the looney bin and have them admitted.
Why such a big issue over a cinema.. It is their choice. If they have the money and they can afford to built and maintain it, let them, Its their country. Who are we to judge anyone..
baldrick, they would sit in the backseat!!
What if the person beside you stand on the seat and urinates in your ear?What if the person beside you starts a camp fire and speaks in tongues?What if the person beside you takes up beekeeping and tries to sell you snake oilWhat if?What if?NORMAL people don't do that kind of thing.
I do have feelings, SA, but I concentrate on driving when I'm driving. I can do that, although it's hard sometimes.
to look at Al Azhar website, in Saudi Arabia religious people are very extreme, on Saudi woman opened a shop for opticals and they closed her shop.
for the statements of the holy Quran you put please look for the meaning, here is a link
www.tifsir.com
In your qoute "she will grab between my legs instead!", if she does so and you arrive safely, I guess you have no feelings and I can assume you are.....
SA, both people are at the Islamic University Al Madinah Al Muawwarah. I didn't know that university is rubbish.It is published by Darussalam Publishers in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. It was given to me from the speaker of a Friday prayer in a mosque, and he said, it was the best version he knew.And to answer your question, yes, I will arrive safely. However, normally the person sitting next to me doesn't grab the wheel, she will grab between my legs instead!
If they make men only then the women don't have to mix with single men. They can go to the cinemas with the married men and other women. And that way men (who are the one's who cause all the problems anyway) don't have to mix with women.
But you can check the websites I have sent.
Please answer my question about driving the car.
but what would be the benifit?
The only ladies cinema is made for those Qatari women who do not like to be with men in mixed places and this comes from two reasons first of all religion second is tradition.
see more details can be found in these websites:
www.islamway.com
www.truereligion.com
www.islamhouse.com
In Islam a woman can not travel alone without an escort that is a husband or father or brother or an uncle or cousin.
Second is the tradition, an extreme muslims do not allow women to study even and I am against them, I will say let the Muslim women study and be affective in her society.
We must know how to live with each other and communicate, we as Muslims have borders which we should not across and I will not speak about it, if you want you can go to any of the above links.
I don't believe that men have a higher status than women, SA. I think the opposite is true. Men work their arses off just to please women. Women just wait and choose.
AD, my source is "The Noble Qur'an" by Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-din Al Hilali and Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan. Maybe they are idiots?
Imagine you are driving your car and the person sitting next to want to control the steering wheel always, will you arrive home safely?
Ask schoolar if you want to know why Qur'an says explicitly that man have a higher status than women?
he will give better explaination than me.
Why not a men's only cinema so men don't have to be around women.
Or the ladies cinema is for those women who aren't allowed to go to the mixed cinema. This is segregation, not equality.
LPI love the source U pick this verse, here U re read it again.Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other.
Imagine 'white on white', baldrick. That would even be harder to understand!
"Black on white!"There you go with your segregation again ;P
The ladies only cinema is for those ladies who want to be in a place where there no men around them.
The only ladies cinema is only for ladies fubar so of course a Western man with his girl friend can not go there, I do not know more than this.
Of course, women are NOT equal!Sura An-Nisa 34:"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women (Madonna will have a laugh at this), because Allah HAS MADE ONE OF THEM TO EXCEL THE OTHER."I don't know why Muslims deny the fact that the Qur'an says explicitly that man have a higher status than women. It is written in their book. Black on white!
LPagreed,women must follow the same rule in swimming events.
Article 1. (UN Human Rights Charter)All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.That means that there is no legal or social difference between men and women. Of course, some religions violate this Charter. (They would lose their control over the sheep.)
So Fubar, what you're saying is Arab Women can't? So it's not equality then is it?
I was talking about the POPULATION of Qatar, NOT the Qataris only!! Who denies that there are faaaar more men here than women? When I drive in the morning, I see one woman for every twenty men on the road.
"Western women can go to any cinema with their husbands or boyfriend." In fact western women can just go to the cinema on their own. They get to choose where they go, and when. Just like western men.
And can a woman on her own, Western or Arab, go to the mixed cinema?
SA - but it is a slippery slope from here on in...
to go to the ladies only cinema, maybe you and many others undrstood that there will be segregation for all women and I will till you that this is wrong, this cinema is only for the ladies who would like to be in a place where there women only and no men around them.
Western women can go to any cinema with their husbands or boyfriend.
This is only an additional choice which is given to women here in Qatar.
SAi've responded. :)
why you guys are making them equal?? :(they can never be, each ov them have their owm rights and duties, there is no comparison of male and female, just both have Rights and Duties. which can make the life perfect for both ov them.
Women are not being forced to go to women only cinema. They have an option to go to women only or mixed. They have more option to choose, nothing wrong with it. Calling it backward step is forcing your own ideas upon others.
treble you need to know that blacks had no choice but to use black only benches, they cud not sit on benches for whites.
SA, go read a history book on Blacks in America. Same Same
Straight Arrow, you need to learn the difference between segregation and equality. What you're saying is equivalent to saying that blacks under apartheid had equality because they had their own park benches.Equality means women could sit with men in the SAME cinema.
Pilgram= Mod?
By the way what is the thread about?
I want bald2rickdogs and LLP to say what more equalities they want to add and that it does not contradict our belief?
I did read them all. I can't speak for the women of Qatar - that is up to them.
what more equalities more they want? Did you see my earlier posts in this thread?
I think LP was not saying it is a fact women can have four husbands.He was suggesting they should be able to -equality and all that :-)
can be found in the UN report
here is the link
http://www.un.org/spanish/esa/population/wpp2000at.pdf
this time you got it wrong LLP
Kareena
you forget the number of male workers up at RLF - that is why there is such an imbalance.
On another note, there is a reason why the UK has an out of sync ratio and it is not a nice one either
Today, sex-selective abortions are unfortunately common in countries like India and China. The introduction of ultrasound machines throughout China in the 1990s led to a sex ratio of up to 120:100 at birth due to familial and cultural pressure to have one's only child as a male. Shortly after these facts became known, it became illegal for expectant couples to know the gender of their fetus. Now, the sex ratio at birth in China has been reduced to 111:100.
The world's current sex ratio is somewhat on the high side – 107:100.
Extreme Sex Ratios
The countries that have the highest proportion of males to females are...
Armenia – 115:100Azerbaijan – 114:100Georgia – 113:100India – 112:100China – 111:100Albania – 110:100
The United Kingdom and United States have a sex ratio of 105:100 while Canada has a sex ratio of 106:100.
The countries with the lowest proportion of males to females are...
Grenada and Liechtenstein – 100:100Malawi and Barbados – 101:100
Adult Sex Ratio
The sex ratio among adults (ages 15-64) can be highly variable and is based on migration and death rates (especially due to war). Into late adulthood and old age, the sex ratio is often highly skewed toward females.
Some countries with very high proportions of males to females include...
United Arab Emirates – 274:100Qatar – 218:100Kuwait – 178:100Oman – 140:100Bahrain – 136:100Saudi Arabia – 130:100
source:
http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/sexratio.htm
The link is here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_ratio
Do you have a better solution?
When a muslim man can marry 4 there are conditions which he must meet, and this give to the man from the religion.
No Lincoln that is not true.. The gender ratio here in Qatar is not like India.. There are definitely more women then men and hence no need for one woman to marry more than one man.. On the contrary, even if all men marry two women, there will still be a lot of single women left.. What makes you think that there is just woman for six men?
I would like to add that women can have four husbands, especially as the gender ratio is about 1 to 6 or even worse among the population of Qatar!
All I get when I try to post is 503 :(
I have sent you PM did you see it?
pilgram, i know, today we are facing again Guru.
Pilgram, I think you’ve got a virus in your computer ;))
If you are driving a car coming from work to your home and there is a person next to you in the car and always want to catch the sterring wheel and control, do you think you will reach home safely?
If lucky yes you will reach, if not then there might be an accident and how big it is? I do not know?
Assume I do not know something called women equality, but I know the women here in Qatar has the right study here and abroad, she can work in any legal feild here in Qatar, she has the right to divorce here husband and this called Kol-eh in Arabic, if she is married her husband must give her Nafaqah (Money for wife), by law she is well protected, and she can buy a lnad and invest in it and many other things.
So which equalities you want to add?
Yes, I've read a few stories and jokes of Mullah Nasruddin;
Here’s one!
A neighbor asked him: “Mullah, I want to borrow your donkey.”
“I am sorry,” said Nasruddin, “but I have already lent it out.”As soon as he had spoken, the donkey brayed. The sound came from Nasruddin’s stable. “But Mullah, I can hear the donkey, in there!”
Nasruddin replied, “A man who believes the word of a donkey in preference to my word does not deserve to be lent anything.”
I think it's a great move. After we build seperate cinemas for women we can build seperate one's for Indians, then Arabs, then Filipino's, and then Westerners. Everyone can have their own cinema, and after the cinemas, we can move onto the schools, and the shops, and taxi's....
bald.. lol
In which mean this is a segregation, and there cinemas for both?
Please list the points which support your point.
"Now we gave the women here in Qatar more option so she has now more freedome, this more freedome is not welcomed by some of the people who are seeking for women rights, isn't this strange?"No. They are seeking "Equality" not segregation.