Do even women perfer male boses?
Men Rule -- At Least in Workplace Attitudes
Even women seem skeptical of female bosses in Elle/MSNBC.com survey
By Eve Tahmincioglu, MSNBC.com careers contributor
Hillary Clinton might want to sit up and pay attention to results of our exclusive survey on attitudes in the workplace.
While Clinton hopes to smash through the ultimate glass ceiling to become the nation's first female president, the Work & Power Survey conducted by Elle and MSNBC.com suggests that stereotypes about sex and leadership are alive and well.
While more than half our 60,000 respondents said a person's sex makes no difference to leadership abilities, most who expressed a preference said men are more likely to be
effective leaders.
Of male respondents, 41 percent said men are more likely to be good leaders, and 33 percent of women agreed. And three out of four women who expressed a preference said they would
rather work for a man than a woman.
The survey, conducted early this year, found a bonanza of stereotypes among those polled,with many using the optional comment section to label women "moody,"
"bi**hy," "gossipy" and "emotional." The most popular term for woman, used 347 times, was "catty."
Read more on: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17345308/
Speed Comments:- After reading this survey, women should understand the value of men now, but am sure still majority of women will argue and try to false this statement ... and everyone knows why? 
yep, it's an attitude problem and this issue is Globally not only in particular region ....
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Speed all the survery shows is that attitudes still need to change and there are still many prejudices facing women in the work place.
"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco
sajj question, when you come home from work your day ends there and then, you get to relax. we as women are expected to juggle both home and work (i know you will say, that the way we wanted it, and men granted us thta privilage to work)
but my point is, we are strong indepenadant people (women), with an opnion of our own, a brain to think with and decide with without having a man to lead us.
the world has changed, but somehow you did not change with it
lol ... good one ! now QL will know why beep beep keeps running
Running is the best thing God ever created! -Beep Beep
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...I prefer male bosses if they are not the flirting types...I should be able to respect him for his work more than his looks...Male bosses are cool...
Running is the best thing God ever created! - Rabbit
Get real !
Do you call your man Animal? There is a big difference between human beings and Animals !!
By the way the example of Satan I gave to Gypsy to clarify her view of Arab/Asian men (mostly, not all) that why they are attracted towards women specially from west or who are uncovered .... ofcourse it's the satan who enters in ones heart to put evil thinking in minds of a man once he sees a women in a sexy dress (normally short skirts, tight jeans, long neck dresses) which force men's attractions !!
About your example of wives of Holy Prpohet(pbuh), He had good and bad wives (read the histroy and get ther true info., don't follow today's so called mullahs) follow those who are on the right path.
Topic is not religious and i don't want to take it to that direction but since you have mentioned i should clarify you....
Regarding women as a Boss, it's not me, it is those 60,000/- people (in the west) who voted in the survey and even majority of women in the survey (as per their experience) say that they prefer to work with man rather then a woman.
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"we are the one who gave the chance to women to show thier capabilities"...lmao...really???? Seems to me that what men have done is their level best to HOLD women back from excelling at anything other than home and baby making.
Women have historically had to fight tooth and nail to even be considered equal in the work place even tho they can show much more drive and ambition than their male counterparts.
The reason there are not equal amounts of females in higher positions is that up until the 1950's, at least in America, the female was expected stay at home. However, WWI and the demand for people to work outside the home doing the jobs of the males that either were in the field fighting or deceased, allowed women to break through that barrier and up even until this day, women are advancing at an extremely high rate into the corporate levels.
Males who don't think women can be bosses are simply insecure about themselves and their abilities as employees. Women make great bosses..the best ones I've had have been female..the worst, a male, who was so busy making sexual advances he couldn't see straight to run the business.
As for the hormonal issue....I say its a convenient excuse males use when they can't come up with anything else to hold us back.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
Get real!
That the satan jumps in and causes arab/muslim men to lust after women because he see their arm????
Men lust after women no matter what they are wearing.. it is the nature of being a man. He's an animal!
Women can do just as good of jobs as Men. LOok at the Prophets wife Aisah RAA who led an army, ruled a nation, and advised the khalifas on all matters pertaining to Islam.
As for dignity... What a show! You call dignity for a man oppression for women? While I call dignity being strong that I don't feel insecure if a women is more capable and intelligent.
Yes PM - atavistic thinking is a pointless issue to deal with.
Time and place has taught me many lessons.... and luckily nowadays many people judge you on merit and not your gender race or religion...
if they do - and they wish to remain that way then i avoid them because they have no place in my life.
I have always been gainfully employed and had great friends.
So yes time has taught me.
i have declared PM as our Ambassador of goodwill from America to QL.
according to speed there should be a Political correction annotation.
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But as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
it's guys like you that set the rest of us backwards 100 yrs, go club a mastodon or something.
'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt
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Why not only Ambassador of Goodwill ... is it necessary to say Madam ;p
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oh PM ... have you ever come across a good argument in QL ?? ;-)
This is how the system works here ! someone tries to post something to discuss in a peaceful n professional manner always the direction of conversation takes negative turn and just ends !!!
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To this post or to the survey ;p
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Well Ladies, the next time you hear someone say there's no need for feminism anymore, you can always refer back to this post.
"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco
ORYX- GTL:
see u 2morrow:
Oryx -GTL:
You should not teach me.Time is cruel but will teach u a lessson.
The minds of the people have changed and women are far better educated now than in your world.
In nearly all countries now women are getting some form of education and imagine this - they can think for themselves, earn their own money, and be appointed as Chairpersons and Managers not to forget owners of businesses to. These are the changes and women are changing the world and Qatar, however, you go back to your wonderworld where all women are obeying their men. Good luck to you.
I am off for the day.
It is not uncommon in patriarchal societies to have the views expressed by SOME. No wonder misogyny is a common under such systems and you see a lot of genocides, female infanticides, rapes which are well justified. Kudos to men who think that women don't have a brain and ofcourse they are to be blamed if they get raped because 'satin' gets to them everytime they see a woman ....so they carry no responsibility for a part which mAy I say is not attached to brain and listens to 'satin'. So men can roam around naked without us woman folk oggling at them since we are not humans and have no desires.
Alex :
I also realize that u have sum sort of vision with which i dont agree , you know that we are not follower of your grand pa as we also have grand and his opinion was diffrent than ur grand pa.
You are sad... maybe in your world these are realities...
but not in other people's worlds. You are fine if you keep working in your little village... but dont' go out into the big bad world...you will get a mighty shock....
And you say you 'gave us a chance...' make me laugh.... other way around..your mother gave birth to you, cared for you and brought you up.
Women certainly do NOT prefer to give birth to boys. In many countries they just want a health baby.
You deluded dinosaur.... thanks for making me laugh.
Canar: Its on the lips of every one that world is changed , just give me 1 example of that, as its the same sky, same world , same mankind , with 2 legs , two arms and one? i will agree and will wake up when we will see these changes.
Which underworld did you creep out of - leave God out of the discussion seem you have been living in a world of your own for some time now.
Wake up sunshine our world has changed, women are shouldering the responsibilities of men now adays didn't you realise this.
unbelievable...really unbelievable..you guys inserted the "God" thing again with "battle of the sexes".....
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Open your eyes so you can see everything, as i posted b4 that sitting in front of compu is not a responsibilities.
That u are women and we are men.
WE did not created the rules , its from GOD who created us and rules .
DG, you have to defend your partner ALex:and should not go offline as she will be soon out from the debate.Alexa said men and women work side by side , but for your information mens are doing their job in addition to his responsibilities.
Alexa, I leave it to you...I have to go offline ;)
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My commnet was general.
it's not only us, it the survey said
"Even women seem skeptical of female bosses"
"While more than half our 60,000 respondents said a person's sex makes no difference to leadership abilities, most who expressed a preference said men are more likely to be effective leaders."
We are not discussing for one successful woman such as you, the issue is with the most of the women !
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DG, your Alexa dropped th edebate.
I have children of both sexes and am deliriously happy with both.
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ALexa use commonsence , i noticed even a female dont like to give birth
to babay girl, she is happy with babay boy , why this desri mination in women.
It's the mindset of some people that is very wearing at best.
I do not think I am superior or inferior to anyone.
I do not think that anyone is superior or inferior to me.
Simple.
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drag this issue any further.
everyone loves the opposite sex for everything. companion, colleague, friend, room_mate, boss e.t.c.
like poles attract, unlike poles repel!
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Alexa i respect women may be more than you, and i am not against
the women , but i am trying to explore the reality, we are the one who gave the chance to women to show thier capabilities.
But thier are some positions which still need mens suprvision.
Thats the raeson i gave the example of computer.
DG,sitting in front of computer and trying to pretend to be superior
is not a raelity , it a globe , so working in Middle east should not be compared with all other countries , its bit easier for females to work in gulf and might you though its a world, but in asia as you know its not easy , i am trying that alexa should understand this.
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She was spy.u got th epoint.
If you ask your employees to pick up after themselves, don't leave things behind for other people to pick up. This will eliminate the "I can do whatever I want because I'm the boss" theme.
You have to be stern with your employees. They won't like you, but they'll respect you.
Speed If she is asset to the company why working under her could be a problem?
Eh, Sajj, I'm not annoyed in the slightest with your comments. It takes a lot more than a little sexist man to rile me ;) Now that Alexa has commented, the thread has taken an upward turn thankfully.
Run along now...haven't you got some women to pretend to be superior to?
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Alexa again you started dreaming.so you are waiting for the day
when this creature( Women) will cum to power and they will take th erevenge from men.
You mean that?
She was a political leader, lost her seat 2 times due to her mistake, also she died due to her mistake ? She was told not to come out of the sunroof, but she didn't listen knowing that people are waiting somewhere to target her n finally she paid the price for her mistake.
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I agree with Speed:
ALexa :
You should accept the reality,
And Hilary is wife of clinton , so be professional she will get instruction fron clinton.
ALexa;
You have the example of Pakistani Ex- Prime Minister
what happened with her.
I agree with Mila, i go for Hilary...
Alexa, I have a solution for that ....
Change sex ...
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Elexa,even if a women gets hogher rank she gets instruction from men.
ALEXA, Nice dream:
DG, This i want to prove , how soon you get annoyed and you are
out of the debate , so how u will be a boss in general with all sort of cunning people around the world.
Speeed, i did not deny that, sure womens are best creation of the world,
but thre are certain limits also for womens which they try to cross.Thats the reason i get annoys with women.
I am not criticizing , its a fact.
By the way i dont have experience with
female bosses , so i cant comment on that.
sajj ... we are not here to criticize the women in general, woman is the best creation of GOD.
But my point of view is working under a woman leadership is very difficult for a man due to his dignity.
DG ... you could be a good boss but when it comes to a warning to employees specially with male staff, it's become as issue of dignity ! regardless the warning is valid or not.
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Ok, I'm out...this thread has taken a turn for the worse...I'm not going to take up anymore of my time responding to these inane comments until I see an improvement in the debate. Bye. :)
I'd better get back to being a 'showpiece' with my 'heart full of emotions'. What a crock.
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Sure if you can.
DG ... it's a fact that women's hearts are full of emotions compare to men's hearts and in business one needs to have a solid heart to face the challenges.. :p
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When Women is illetrate then she rests at home , not joining th company with other labors, but when she pass few classes then
competes for comfortable post.
Speed, and you speak for all womankind?
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Sajj, are you trying to get a response with these ridiculous comments?
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Womens are just a show pieces in a companioes.
i will say Women is Women and we now what she have and what ar eher capabilities.
Speed, why do I need a man's heart to be a boss? A woman's heart is more than up to the job.
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You are one of million ;p may be you have a man's heart ... lol
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Oh I know that Speed. I just said that until that change comes I'd prefer working for women in Asia. :)
"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco
What i said is that "a religion has a major role in this part of the world (Aisa/Arab).
I just shared my point of view with you that why in Asia/Arab the men are more "tend to be incredibly patronizing, sexist and condescending and don't make women feel comfortable at all".
And i never meant you being nude or sexist looking chick at work ;-p
Full Nude or half nude beaches are an example of openness in west world due to which most of the men don't care of women sex appearance while at work or on the street.
Here it makes big difference coz such act is not part of the society, but due to modernization and rapid changes happening here, its will take time for an Asian/Arab man to think like a western man.
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Speed, I find your views on women in the workplace sexist and neanderthal.
So you had a women boss who pulled rank...is that a gender issue? Plenty of male bosses pulling rank out there.
And I have many male employees working for me. They appear to have lots of dignity and do not think it is beneath them to have me as a boss.
Try to pull yourself and your mentality out of the Dark Ages.
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It is the job of any Manager to inform (not dictate) to his/her staff but the boss is the boss and this goes for male and females the job has to be done irrespective of male/female.
What you say does have basis Speed, but do you not think that is an attitude that should be changed?
"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco
sorry Canary, i don't think negative for women in general, but my concern only when it comes to work as a Boss and they dictate the male staff.
The ideas has roots, and stems are of new generations ;p
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You have actually unveiled your ulterior motives behind what you think of women.
You moved far away from the topic of male and female bosses and insulted the mentality of women from the West.
No matter what you say bosses are only good when they understand how to motivate their staff, and women do play a major role in this, and can still be, wife, sister, daughter and mother.
I fear your ideas stem from other times - way back yonder.
Well I most certainly don't go to work nude or wearing tight clothes (and I can assure you nude beaches are not common in Canada :P and the only one I know of is only used by gay men :P) and if men can only think of me as a sexual object then that is THEIR problem, not mine, and should in no way effect me as a valuable, capable employee.
"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco
Just to clarify I didn't mention religion Speed. However, in the West at least, attitudes towards women taking managerial positions is changing. It's estimated that the workforce in the West is 45% women and 29% or more of managerial positions are taken by women.
http://www.engr.sjsu.edu/pabacker/WI2001/group6.pdf
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/2006/07/articles/de0607029i.htm
These statistics are on the rise as more women are attataining a higher educational level then men (55% of university graduates were women in the 90's).
There is most certaintly sexism involved in there aren't more women in managerial positions, your own assertion that you won't work below a woman being one of them, another being lack of facilities and programs for women to be working mothers, and the continuing discrepency in salary (women make less then men for the same position).
"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco
behind this is a culture/religion, in west there are nude beaches which is very common, but if a woman is seen nude in this part of the world is something out of imagination, since such concept does not exist here due to religious believes.
Another reason, for most of the Arab/Asian men being lust for sex it the women's dressing .... they were taught that it is forbidden "harm" to see a women part with lust, so once a man with this mentality see a women exposing her body part (by dressing tight clothes or whatever), the satan "evil" jump in and creates this thinking to make a man think of having sex or whatever you say ....
I am not leading this conversation towards religious debates but when you say the word Asia/Arab, then i must tell you this is the main reason of most of the men mentality here.
So in general it's true that most man shows such reactions but women does play major role in that situation too ;p
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I would prefer a male boss ...coz my interactions with female bosses were not that gr8 and moreover i feel opposite sex get along better..
am not talking about here, my views are in general (across the Globe) regardless of any religion !
Tell me even in west what is the percentage of women in a position of a "Boss" who are leading a Team specially male?
When we say Manager, it can be defined as individual without a team, but the term Boss fits more suitable for a team leader.
Let me clear you my vision, as mentioned in past on several occasions, I have a high respect of women as Mother, Sister, Wife, Daughter ... also as a female gender.. i also believe in "NO LIFE WITHOUT WIFE"
But in some areas it is difficult to accept her (such a in work place as a Boss), which is not an old fashioned but still valid in this part of the world today.
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From my experience working in Asia I have to say I prefer working under female bosses here (especially Arab women). The men tend to be incredibly patronizing, sexist and condescending and don't make me feel comfortable at all. The women, while tough, at least don't make me feel like a secretary that's overstepped her bounds.
"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco
I don't necessarily think this is a gender issue. It depends on the personality and work characteristics of the 'boss'. Ethics and morals are very important too.
When I was an intern I had bosses who I really learned from and looked up to. I also had a few who I wouldn't take the time to spit on.
Now as a 'boss' myself, I try to make my staff happy, both in their work environment and with their renumeration package but I expect hard work (within reason!) and dedication. I realise that most have left family and homeland and I try to give them a good life here.
I try to inspire them too in their work. I wonder how they would describe me though :)
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Hmmm...interesting Speed. First off, thanks for your honesty, not many people would say what you just said. Secondely, from my point of view your idea that it's against a man's dignity to work under a woman is old fashioned and just a bit sexist. I can't help but wonder in the case of your ex boss if it had been a man, would you have behaved differently?
Also with your last comment about high profile positions, I can only assume you are speaking about here, because in the West it's common to have women in high profile positions.
"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco
you are saying totally opposite .... Sorry, I disagree with your point of view of man being complaining all the time ? am sure if this is your experience then sorry to say he must be a "Gay boss".
Regarding Survey, you think 60,000/- people were in a same mood ? and I don't think so this survey was done in a day !
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To be honest, and am sure most of the men here in QL will agree with me that WE as a man cannot accept to work under a woman leadership, this is against our dignity.
I had some argument with my ex-boss (female) in my last company, since i let her down by proving that she was wrong in her decision, she got pissed off and said to me:-
"I know what is right and what is wrong, if you like to work with me, you have to accept my orders, otherwise choice is yours !!"
So I choose my way ...
Very few female are successful in such positions but as said, since female are very "emotional" and "moody" it is difficult for them to cope up with such high profile positions. I know there are few female on the top positions but most of them are due to their contacts, family influence (such as high profile families) ...
Regarding slapping on the Azz, well that's every men's favorite part ;-p and Windex is female's favorite :-)
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my last female boss used to make me cry!
but i did learn a lot from here, i learned how to deal with her weired mood swings and now we are the best of friends and that was 5 years ago.
i think both men and women can be a pain but its the way we deal with them. men are easier by nature, while women like detail and have to fuss, so its really up to the person, if you are laid back and relaxed stay clear from female bosses if you enjoy the hype go for the female
Hil was born in 1947, that puts here at 61 this October. Me thinks the PMS is LOOOONNGG gone.
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I'm your boss???
I would follow all the labor rules of course...
Treat you same as everyone...
You can't teach experience...
I vote for Gypsy, she sprayed her ex-boss with windex.
That takes courage and mental strength.
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But as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
RP, you got that rite. but sometime over 40 years old woman still having periods. so you think she over it huh??? well good for America.
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I think Senator Hilary is over that issue, she is 40 plus year old. Probably menopause pass on already.
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But as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
Vegas, what would you be if you are my boss???
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Gypsy...if you pick your ear or nose I'm gona puke...
Well, I prob puke ayway...But change your dang quote...
Geeze...who ya gonna attracked with that?? flies???
You can't teach experience...
Qatman and Gypsy I have to agree with you. Doesn't matter what the sexes of the bosses as long as they have the competent and good manner to be a boss.
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I vote for Mila
You can't teach experience...
I vote for Hillary and hope she can make a different to American and the rest of the world. But base on my experience female boss tend to follow their feeling rather than their head, reality and fact. Specially when the periods come they get very moody and bad tempered.
Everybody is right and Everybody is wrong, its depend where you stand
I've worked for both male and female bosses and I can't really say that any of them was better or worse based on their gender. I've had bad male bosses (lazy, sexist, condescending, insulting) and bad female bosses (overly emotional), and I've had great male bosses and great female bosses. My favorite boss was female, if that makes a difference, and my most hated boss was male (the man actually slapped my azz, I sprayed him in the face with Windex).
I think it has more to do with the level of professionalism and what the role is (and for whom). For example my most hated bosses, both male and female were "managers" in customer service positions, or owners of say Dairy Queen or some little Tour Boat. People who think they are big shots, but really aren't and therefore are overcompensating. My favorite bosses have been Vice Presidents of Marketing/PR firms, Heads of Communication, Managing Editors, etc. Much higher level positions that require a good deal of managerial know how and professionalism.
"How come I can pick my ears but not my nose? Who made up that rule anyway? How come you say that's the way it is, that's just the way it goes, maybe you should decide for yourself what you can do and what you can say." Ani Difranco
A Female or male, It really does not matter as long as they know their responsibilities and execute them accordingly. The problems start when an incompetent person is your boss, then again it does not matter it is male of female, both will drive you crazy.
I hate to take away the glitter, but male bosses think they can charm a snail out of its shell once there they stamp on it.
Female bosses on the other hand don't complain so much as male bosses do, they have a better insight in their staff than men do and their intuition is far above that of a man, they mostly recognise and are able to accept and adapt to changes than a man does.
Surveys show basically nothing but hypothetical figures, and it depends on everyones mood on the day the survey was done.
Men bosses are moody, vicious, and vindictive in the business world, they are immoral and liars, anything to get to the position they want. Women have to work so much harder to achieve just a fraction of the salary a man gets not to mention all the privelages men get attachedto a good salary.
I think Hilary Clinton would make a good president much better than what they have now not to mention her husband was president for weight years too.
Well, i have 14 years of work experience and during these times, I have worked for 4 Companies, my last company boss was a female, I can describe her a very stubborn she used to screw all the male staff and due to her attitude problem lots of male staff (incl. myself) and few female resigned .
She used to think that becoming a Head of Dept. was everything for her and with her power of seat she can do anything she wants, but she was forgetting that after all she sleeps with a man ;p !
I don't say every woman is same at work but majority of them are of same kind and mentality ! agree or not but it's true.
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I have two bad experience with female boss. personally i get along very well with male boss. I prefered male boss than female boss without degrading or underestimate the woman rules.
Everybody is right and Everybody is wrong, its depend where you stand