Different Women of the World and there attraction
Due to this topic being asked a couple of times of some of us men "what is the difference between Arab women and Western Women" and as Gypsy said this is another posting and as I always listen to Gypsy here is the posting.
For a perpective I can give you the views of Russian women as I spent the last few years in ex Russian countries and have spent many a pleasant hour discussing this with women. In these countries, much to my dismay, alot of men finish work, get drunk, go home and beat there wives, I would like to say this is uncommon but its not and it is the reason why so many divorces happen in Russia. Women are badly treated by Russian men,not just physically, to which has given rise to many "Russian Bride" web pages. Also there are alot of men out there who are looking for russian brides...Why? Russian women are looking for a kind man, who works hard for them and the family, who doesnt see the mistreatment of their wives as a norm. They do not ask for equality, independence, just some love, tenderness and respect of their person. Russian women are generally much more open about there sexuality and enjoy dressing accordingly. Many of them do not understand the Western Women with there need for equality and independence, this does not make them less intelligent or slaves of men, its just they know the realities of their life.
Also these women are extremely tempremental and hot blooded but still have a marvelous sense of humour and are able to give man as good as they get without loosing the mystic of their femininity.
This posting is for views, not for male ignorance and their related views or for women who have "burnt their Bras".
What do men think about women from different cultures and what do Western women think about how they are seen by men and how do they look at the other women in the world and their views.
I really dont want a Male/Female war or any hate postings, lets just have a exchange of views ideas without the insults and bad language...it might just do us good to understand each other if we listen
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Abba, Abba, Padre!
I've no idea if you represent the character of the people of Mauritius!
Personalities are personalities irrespective, mainly, of nationality.
I mentioned just one example
Overbearing dominance intolerant to a certain extent..I know of a british female working in my bank..... Very adamant not very compliant, quite overbearing in terms of character flaws in attitude that cant provide a suitable realm for compromise....
Just one example.... I think azzi u need to change ur perception....
For a bloke to be let loose in a room full of women from all over the world must be like being given free run of the sweetie shop! :D
The thing is, it's said that no matter how we look 'us women' always wish we looked like what WE consider our ideal to be.
Growing up, my ideal would have been Twiggie (ha! no way could I be her boyish shape). I also found Oriental ladies enviably beautiful with those beautiful slanted eyes (even with loads of eye-liner I couldn't change the look of my occidental eyes).
Oh and women with shiny black skin and proud profiles - too gorgeous for words.
Smooth tanned skin, naturally? Nope - didn't have that either. Freckles like measles if I went out in the sun.
Then I went to Hong Kong and saw all the cosmetics were for women to get lighter skin! Hmmm
Oh and I'd LOVE to look as glam in an abaya as some of the ladies in this part of the world do, as much as maybe some of them wish to be walzing through South Kensington in a little dress from Harrods looking like a Hollywood Icon!
Could go on about how we are often dissatisfied with what God gave us, but one time when I was bemoaning my allotted shape and colouring my husband simply said: I don't know why you worry so much, you are girl shaped!
Guess that's more or less what most fellas want - someone who's girl shaped no matter what size or colour. Not a bloke, so I can't really speak for them.
But it's how we see ourselves which causes all the problems with anorexia and plastic surgery, botox and the like. So in the end it comes down to changing how we look for OURSELVES and not really for our men (generally speaking) cos they probably aren't as bothered about it as we are! And I think that probably goes for women of any nationality.
What was the topic again BlackPrince? I'm rambling. Time for supper :D
I hope the comment earlier about Arabic men with western women wasn't implying that if a western woman is with a Arbic man means she is of loose morals!
I am married to an Arabic guy, and I can assure you I am not of "loose morals" and one of the things my husband loves about me is the respect I have for myself :P
tra la la
don't judge the book by it's cover. What you are reflects to what your personality is.
women westerners almost have everything, almost have it all, almost got it all, almost perfectly made (i repeat ALMOST perfectly made)
I find this topic interesting...a woman topic.
Here, we can tell the others what we are, who we are and how we want others (man and women alike) to treat us...WITH RESPECT regardless of color, culture and nationality....
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.-Bertrand Russell
From a woman's point of view, if I may say so:
Western women are looked up by their peers as the "women of the world". You see them magnified, glorified and glamorized in media - publication/press, advertisements, movies/tv etc. They are emulated as the "new women of today" in all aspects...assertiveness, beauty, intelligence etc. That's how they are depicted...and from country (Philippines)that's heavily influenced by the Western culture, the western women are amongst the most beautiful creatures on earth.
Me, being a Filipina of asian decendancy, I know some women from my race are just wannabies especially if they are fortunate enough to go to other countries. They changed their appearances (cosmetic/medical) to be different (BOTOX, rhinoplasty, breast augmentation, etc). hey, I'm not saying ALL ASIAN...i said SOME (JUST making sure before anyone bites me)
And being in Qatar for almost 3 years now, I have my share of meeting Arabic women (Lebanese, Syrian, Egyptian, Saudi, Yemeni/Omani, and of course the Qatari women) and I can only say beautiful things about them.
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.-Bertrand Russell
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Trafalger day charity bash. I thought i looked ok, till i saw this piccy !!!
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why is that picture of you, posing as a tailor's dummy, taken in a broom cupboard?
Exercising the falcons? Can that be done more easily by your husband cycling along at speed on his bike with the birds on a lead trotting behind? Well, granted their feet would only touch the ground every metre or so, but it WOULD save hub's legs ..
Kids could be the rear guard.
Whats happening???
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Im bored here on my own !!
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J, shes not mine anymore.....so not my indoors..........but still a great women and mother
I have some stuff to do here also, so will leave with an au revoir :D
I'm all on my ownsome tonight...the children are out with their father exercising the falcons.
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sorry J..........tense at the moment
All.....must go soon, ex wifes birthday today and my present gets delivered at 20:00 so better get there before it.
anyway, DG 'n me are used to joshin' with each other. The expression 'scary Qatari lady' was coined in another thread about expats being nervous of the local Qataris.
LMAO you silly old billy BP ;P
Fear not, Black Prince, Jauntie is my friend. she's far too nice for any nastiness :)
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Now, what are we talking about ?
not that you are known for such things
Hi Jauntie, hope you are joking now.................now I hope you are going to be a good girl now..............so far we have managed to have a serious topic without the usual blood feuds.......hair pulling.......and bashing.
Helo J, just flicked on the TV and Dr. Phil is on with a programme about Sugardaddies and their Sugarbabes. On just now is a woman who has several Sugardaddies. Oh yeah, and her husband is sitting right next to her.
Yucccccck! What is all that about? (Rhetorical question, no need to explain!)
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ROFL, don't worry Xena, I know you don't mean to offend. But , please be assured that there are plenty of assertive women in this part of the world. Assertive in all aspects of their life. I do think that is a misconception.
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sorry, thats not what I mean...
Sometimes.. I can really put my foot into it, and then only open my mouth long enough to change over from left to right....
What I mean, is that western women have a different outlook... for eg.... relationship wise, I am much more assertive... were a arab lady might be slighly more reserved and allow the man to take lead...
Do I need to change feet again?
Gypsy, and that is the problem for alot of men, that why, Internet Bride sites exist in countries like Russia, as you so rightly pointed out, its the inability to deal with the changes that have envolved as far as women are concerned in this world.
There are beleive me enough so called "Perfect Women" on offer out there but does it make them happy till the end of there lives?
I disagree Xena, I know to many Khaleeji women who have a far better idea of feminism then Western women do. DG for example. But I think we've hit on the main barrier between men and women. In the past 30 years or so women of all cultures have been undergoing a huge change in how they see themseleves and how they want to be seen, and I think that men (not all), who haven't had this pressure or desire to change their outlook and have fallen behind. Rather then adapt, they run off in search of the "perfect woman" who will cook, clean and take care of the kids and let him be the provide, only to discover that there are less and less women like that out there. We still want to take care of the kids, but we want to help provide to, and we want you to help us cook and clean.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Xena, what do you mean by you have a slighly more advanced outlook on life than, for example, me as an 'Arab woman'?_______________________________________________________
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OHHH you take my breath away... lmao...
Scarlett in that case he certainly knew a good chat up line.........respect
shame really...guess they fall for the party line of whatever is verbally out there..
cause if they gave us half a chance, they would realise we could give them exactly what the arab ladies could.... I am no different.. I just have a different dress code, and maybe a slightly more advanced outlook to life....
Unfortunately, I have a thing for eastern men... so I guess, I am set to always be broken-hearted....
I totally agree, BP, that to have loved and been loved in return is never sad.
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Well, I believe all women are the same regardless of how we dress or where we come from.
Why generalize based on geography or clothing?
tra la la
oh that's exactly true xena
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I will be back in about 30 mins if you are all still gonna be here !!
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direct quote from an Arabic man...because he was approaching me and wanted to talk...nicely...so I asked why me and not an Arabic woman...and that was what I got...
which is a shame because they are missing out on so much...
Scarlett, I would like to think what you said was true but I think Xena got it right................which is a shame
why when we want them to marry us... they go back to there roots and marry arab girls....
that goes with the catcalls and leering...
Bahraini pilot !! Lucky man he is !
Even when she goes out in an Abeya, she is still hassled by men.
and what I got was this...they liked our self confidence...and how we present ourselves in public.
cause they have this misconception that we are of loose morals and will shag them senselessly, angel.... we have had this discussion via IM.. remember....
western women are always stereotyped as immoral, loose, women with no respect for themselves.If they are so bad, why do a lot of Arab men want to date them ?? Is it just the "Arm candy" effect and oneupmanship contest !
I know of a very beautiful girl here in Bahrain who cannot walk 10 yards down the road without men pulling up their cars and asking her to get in. And she is only one of many !
Buttercup.......to have loved is never sad........the memories are a beautiful reminder how wonderful the world can be
Scarlett.............its one of my all time favourites........and does work for man / woman if only everybody would read it and understand
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Xena.............but what a sweet way to break your back
Buttercup.......not always I'm afraid, sometimes it just doesnt work as much as your heart would want it to.
no man must try carry me... he'd break his back....;-)
BP, 'Love is the Answer' rings true for my life in many different ways. But that is another story and probably a very long one at that :)
It is not intended as a simple phrase related to a woman/man relationship.
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and you are right..could apply in a male/female situation
This is a story about god and man but I beleive that it could also be about women and man
One night a man had a dream.
He dreamed he was walking along
the beach with the Lord.
Across the dark sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene, he noticed
two sets of footprints in the sand,
one beloning to him and the other to the Lord.
When the last scene of his life flashed before him,
he looked back at the footprints in the sand.
He noticed that many times along the path of his life
there was only one set of footprints.
He also noticed that it happened at the
very lowest and saddest times in his life.
This bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it.
"Lord, you said that once I decided to follow you,
you'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most
troublesome times in my life there is
only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why when I needed you most
you would leave me."
The Lord replied "My precious, precious child,
I love you and would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffereing,
when you see only one set of footprints in the sand,
it was then that I carried you."
black prince i know that love is the answer even if it is one sided if that person knows how much you love him or her, their heart will definitely melt..
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come from. Like i said earlier in a different post, all u need is love.If a western 50 yr old man is happy with a 30 yr old fillipina and vice versa then who are we to critisize.
I suppose some of the attraction is in the looks (all this from a ugly joe like me !) but until you get to know the person, you cant tell what they like.
Thats wot relationships are, the growing together and interaction.
Im gonna have to lie down now, my head hurts with all this serious stuff !!
Its not that we want to lead or follow... its that we want to walk by your side.... thats all we ask...
DG..........you wrote love is the answer...........not sure if I agree, love is an important ingredient, a very important one but love doesnt solve everything, especially if its one sided.
Love you need but also a friend, a soul mate, someone to discuss things with, to talk problems with and to help solve them.
BP, I'm sure there are many women like me out there like myself who do not want a provider or a protector. I am excellent at both. Rather what I want in my husband is a person to share my life with emotionally, intellectually and physically, to be a father to my children and to understand me and my decisions. _______________________________________________________
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Herne, the way I see it that man wants a slave. My take on it is that my husband is also living in the same house so he should share the responsibility for household management. Same applies for our children. They're his children and his responsibility too. _______________________________________________________
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Ladies...........it is very difficult for all men in the world today with its pressures, we have to work, provide, protect, that is no excuse for lack of love, affection, tenderness in a partnership. We ( Men) were given this idea that we must provide and protect, its old fashioned and out of date in todays world, in that I mean of course we should protect but providing has become a partnership thing.
Maybe the genes of the cave man are still running around in us, for me personally not but in lot of men.
I think so BP. My husband has a lot of emotional intelligence and I am glad for that. I like to think that I do too. If there is not a deep emotional dialogue in a marriage then that seems like a lonely place to be.
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But I think we expect much more from our men. We work as well, so we expect men to help in the household, raising children or even cooking. We are in consuming age, and if someone is not what we ecpect, we can get a new one.
But for example I have an indian workmate, and I really feel sorry for her, because she is a sweetheart, but her life must be miserable. She wakes up at 4 o'clock, starts cooking, making breakfast for the family, waking up the children, give them breakfast, prepare them for school, then she comes to work between 8-16 (which is still a lucky timing), then she reaches home, start cleaning, cooking, emplying with the children, so she is unable to relax all day. Moreover she was complaining that her husband does not even allow her for going to buy anything (whatever she needs for the house for example) even if it would take 30 minutes only, and she would be accompanied by an older woman. He does not allow her!!! While the only responsibility the husband has in to work! Now this is not a life!!!
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DG........do you see then a mans inability to emotionally invest in a partnership as a big problem for women.
you know gypsy i have a co-worker here everything is provided by her husband and still she is not happy bcoz she does not want material things she wants time and attention.
the difference between arabic women and westeners, westeners can speak their minds while arabic women tend to be silent in one corner because they are very much submissive and bcoz of their culture.
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Hey Gypsy, now we are talking what I hoped we would discuss..........I see your point and I beleive it has some truth in it. Is it that some cultures have a way of teaching women to accept less from men, is these cultures men feel easier and less pressurised, wheres as you say and I think of course you are right, Western women want more than just a provider/protector.
Gypsy, that is what I want to and my husband delivers on it. I wasn't looking for a provider. I want to provide for myself.
Perhaps the emotional investment is difficult for men who find what you said so hard to offer? Perhaps it's easier to have more practical needs like providing financially?
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Also, I believe there is a very big problem right now with men having the mindset that they must be stable financially and emotionally before they take a wife. We women take for granted that these things come with time (in the case of emotionally maybe never :P) and that it's easier to do when you have someone with you who's willing to take on half the burden. Men don't seem to realize that. Men NOW (not even 30 years ago it was different cause the last generation seemed to realize this) think they need to have everything settled and me financially stable at 30. I'm not sure where this comes from.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
just my opinion..
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If I were to be honest I would say I don't agree that men want the same thing, and maybe therein lies the problem with Western women, I want a man who wants me, loves me and sees me as his life partner. This is something men in the West view as a HUGE deal and run from it because they don't feel they can give that much. Somehow it's much easier to deal with someone who just views you as a provider rather then a partner. It means you don't have to...share??.. as much?
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
As is said "love is in the eyes of the beholder".
Let me change it a bit to, ""Lust is in the eyes of the beholder"". If the way a woman dresses would initiate or instigate a man for eveteasing / rape / molestation etc etc then there would (NOT MY THEORY) not be eveteasing / rape / molestation etc etc in many parts of the world. But statistics show all that these characters need is a moto and not the skin or the colour of it. You can be covered from tip to toe and still cannot avoid eveteasing ............. etc etc etc
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i do respect your opinion girls and i do appreciate westeners more bcoz they are very open-minded,friendly and they can stand up for their own rights and really fight for it.
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I would say Gypsy, if a man is really honest he wants the same thing....so where the hell does it all go wrong.........
Honestly??? I would say all women everywhere want the same thing. We want someone to love, children and stability. (There are some women who don't I;m sure, or maybe want 2 or 1 out of 3) The difference is how we perceive our relationship with our husband, and nothing to do with how we care for our children or the family as a whole.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Actually I dislike generalising and try to take each person as I find them. I can only speak for myself. I know plenty of women like myself from all over the world. I don't change my personality when I change countries (buttercupryle this refers to your comment above...some may...others may not.) I expect the absolute best from my husband and try to give him the best of me. Love, respect and trust are but a few of the things we have promised to give to each other.
I really don't think one could or should generalise about nations of people. Everyone is unique.
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I would like to contribute what ever little knowledge I have regarding the discussion but I am afraid this topic is going to be highjacked soon like what Gypsy said and what I have seen in my short duration as a QL member.
Till the time this thread is rational and without any terorist infiltration...
Why only Russian men. Indian men (I mean most of them) do not talk to their wives with even 10% of affection that they are supposed to. For most of the wives in India its just penetration in dark of the night and she is alone (emotinally) for the rest of the night and the whole day. Beating is a hobby with such guys and mind you not only the down trodden but the middle class and the upper class men are no exception. These guys rape their (not in actual terms) wives emotinally which shows the respect she gets from her partner. Men there have very less respect for any woman so much so girls are not given proper food from childhood even if family can afford.
Am I in line with the subject or is my post not relevent here ??
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I know. It's Defintely not ALL Lebanese women or North East Asian women. It just seems that if I see a woman dressed scantily that's her nationality. There are also a fair amount of British slappers running about who don't realize their tops should reach their pants.....But please don't use those women to judge the rest of us.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Girls.........I wanted to see what your opinion was related to all aspects, I know the wearing or lack of clothes is one issue but their are others......mentality, goals of a relationship, you wishes, views your hopes aginst how you see mens wishes and women from other cultures views.
Would love to hear about that too...............come on Gypsy, tell me what you think, what you feel inside
Now you opened a can of worms....
BP.. you were warned..... :-)
gypsy i agree with you..
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I give it to 3 pages till this gets blocked :D No worries BP ;)
Anyway, in reponse to Xena, IMHO I don't find it's the Western women here who dress inappropriatly. If you go to Villagio or to a restaurant in the middle of the day you are more likely to see (sorry Corne) a Lebanese girl with too much cleavage, leg or back showing, or a North East Asian girl, not a Western girl. We dress "immodestly" sometimes, but that's in appropriate places, the beach (if there are no locals around) or the clubs. When I go out on a Thursday I may have a slinky tank top and jeans on, but I go straight from my house to the club and back.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
i agree with you xena.we filipinos or filipinas, we dress like westeners but here we can never wear any clothes that reveal some skin. or else they will see it as if we are seducing men..
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Gypsy.......sorry, Light of my Darkness, I screwed up again.... yeah
seen in a bad light.... alot of emphasis is put on the way we dress, or the way we carry ourselves and is seen that we are trying to be provocative....
then, all hail to the modest dressing arab ladies, that wear an abhaya to protect there modesty.
I feel that it should be each to his own... you don't instill your ideals on me, and I won't instill mine on you....
Yes, I am western and yes, I sometimes wear something that might be a bit more revealing than it should be, but I don't think that I should be punished for that... Just because I want to go out and feel and look good, does not mean I am hunting for a man, or begging for attention... It just means that on that particular day, i wanted to feel a bit more feminine that I normally do....
I too, along with most western women want to meet a man that will treat me with the love and respect I deserve. I would only give the same back... more infact as that is in my nature....
Where is the difference with any women in the world with that need?
Its not that difficult to understand.... so I don't know why its made out to be....
OH NO!!! BP what have you done! I thought this was going to be about the whole equal not equal thing! Ugh,you can't compare women it always turns nasty! Someone will say "Asian women are more family oriented" which will lead to responses from Western women (namely me) stating otherwise! You'll get the 2 cents of every 50 year old Western guy that's married to a 20 year old Asian girl and every Western woman who's into Arab guys, etc, etc. It always always leads to insults. :(
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
it's an honor to be the first one who's gonna put a comment.
Arabic woemn are really conservative but I also heard from my friends that they are taking off their abayas once they leave their home country..meaning they want to leave their conservative image behind and maybe something else.
Westeners are enjoying their freedom, they love their independence and they are fighting for equality.
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