The Body Shop Scandal

hmmmmmmmm.. oppertinuties never come get more noticed..

Drovers dog:"would you be a tester for mankind????"This question was asked before. Read the previous comments.

would you be a tester for mankind????/ i dont think so,,, but you dont mind eating the meat from them??/ hmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting thinking

razz77: Thank you but I'm sorry that I can't post what you have messaged me.

prince Planet:"PP, you drink Coke?"Yeah, do you? If so, you should read this:"From 1966 Coca-Cola has been a staunch supporter of Israel. In 1997 the Government of Israel Economic Mission honored Coca-Cola at the Israel Trade Award Dinner for its continued support of Israel for the last 30 years and for refusing to abide by the Arab League boycott of Israel. Every year Coca Cola bankrolls the American-Israel Chamber of Commerce Awards which honors companies that have contributed most to the Israeli economy. In 2009 a Coca-Cola sponsored award went to Israel’s Lobby AIPAC for its lobbying of the Senate to reject of the UN call for "immediate ceasefire" and endorse the continuation of the Israel military assault on Gaza.In 2008 Coca-Cola tasked the Israeli venture capital Challenge Fund to locate suitable investments in Israel with a promise of "a blank cheque” . This agreement is exceptional in the Israeli venture capital industry.In 2009 Coca-Cola hosted a special reception at the Coca-Cola world headquarters to honour Brigadier-General Ben-Eliezer. Ben-Eliezer is a wanted war criminal, during the Six-Day War his unit was responsible for the execution of over 300 Egyptian POWs. Under Sharon, Ben-Eliezer served as Defence Minister presiding over the massacre at Jenin.Coca-Cola Israel owns dairy farms in the illegal Israeli settlements of Shadmot Mechola in the Jordan Valley and a plant in the industrial zone of Katzerin n the occupied Golan Heights."Source: http://www.inminds.com/boycott-coca-cola.html

Aspire to inspire before you expire!

i take up this.. from your posting....

so i expected.. from u......

;)

make sense! Just kidding.

PP, you drink Coke?

just use water. why use soap?

Hemlata: I have seen it on facebook. :)

Prince Planet: could you specify please?

razz77: but that's not a genuine reason.

TBS also sells soap! Lol!

Hahaha, hemlata. . . Go green!

Hemalata..GOOD one! :)

Dear Plant eaters,

Chicken never gave oxygen..

Chicken never gave shade..

Loss of chicken never caused global warming..

Then why eat the good plants & trees!!!!

Eat chicken!!!

Go Green... ;)

i gave the reason

Research has shown that good old fashioned soap and water is just as good for the skin as the new fangled body wash ;o(

Prince Planet: Is there any correlation between the body shop and BDS movement?

Or are you trying to hijack my thread?

Agree with LincolnPirate!

Why don't you use water and soap? If you are beautiful, that should suffice. And one more tip: don't read any beauty magazines. They will only make you look ugly!

razz77: Of course, I do give importance to the tragic killing of babies. But, I was wondering why you are not interested to post the same.

flor1212: I'm not seeking attention. I just want to light up a heated debate on this topic.

P.S: Why are you curious for unnecessary things?

Prism: If you believe that vegetables provide enough nutrition, you should check out this article:

http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2011/06/14/vegans-can-have-a-protein-deficiency/

"Killing is OK but torturing is not"

From the above statement I would like to point out how we treat ourselves, the human beings. We think that death sentence is okay but torturing ourselves to death is not. In that case, i can guess what answer would animals come up with.

Basically, you have absolutely no right to question some one's intelligence. I may not be as intelligent as you are, but that doesn't mean that you should mock me in public. :-/

hmmmm........ so Princess you are also giving no importance of the tragic killings of babies..

what a world .... we are in.......

it's your attention-seeker way of posting it. You did not even post the link in the original post.

Just curious of your real intent. Are you implying a call for boycott?

PA...ever heard of vegetables, for nutrition... and I suppose vegetarians dont die being deprived of nutrition.BTW the first para "Humans are at the top of the food chain, therefore killing animals for food is just a part of life. However, the sick people in this world feel the need to torture animals and destroy their whole life by cramming them in cages from the second their born to the second they are tortured to death".... was a masterpiece. Killing is OK but torturing is not....can it get any more ridiculous..... guess if animals could talk and voice their opinion, in both scenarios, there answer would be a definite NO, irrespective of a chicken or a rat.As I said in some other thread of yours, I am flabbergasted at your intelligence and looks like I would remain so for some more time. Sorry, I have a limit to tolerate, beyond that my patience just gives in..... cant take it anymore ...carryon with your protest though...hope that the two of you find atleast one more to support you for a noble thought, but only once you give up being non-vegetarian, else not IMO. All the best!!!

Giving a catchy title is as important as the facts and subjects mentioned in the post.

Do you think anybody would even bother to visit my post with such boring titles?

between, I can see that you got sentimental feelings for the body shop. I can't understand why! You talk as if I attacked your ego.

you can even titled it "animal cruelty" or "animal testing for cosmetics products". But you specifically put The Body Shop name in your title and put "scandal" in the end?

Unless you are doing a research paper work (because I saw you are a student).

Why not make a thread "cruelty to trees" or something similar. Oh forget it, just a wild imagination! Lol!

Thats because I posted about issues relating to the body shop and L'Oreal.

company, what's the purpose?

You could have posted it as generic, say, cosmetics company rather saying The Body Shop. What's the deal?

flor1212: Its an hypothetical situation, take it in that sense!

Prism:

Humans are at the top of the food chain, therefore killing animals for food is just a part of life. However, the sick people in this world feel the need to torture animals and destory their whole life by cramming them in cages from the second their born to the second they are tortured to death.

By consuming animals, one get enough nutrition. Maybe, there are pills and injections that substitute the nutrition that we get from animals. But how long can we rely on artificial methods?

Yes, there is a contradiction, but, a reasonable one.

so go on, PROTEST, no one stops you. Continue your rant here in QL, maybe who knows, they'll hear you!

But for sure if they'll hear you, additional unemployment for these good (or shall we say "cruel" researchers who do their testings on animals) just trying to give us products you "beautiful" woman wants!

PA... one side you are suggesting companies to search for alternatives to animal cruelty...SEARCH, right....while in the same breath you are stating that it is absolutely alright to kill animals for nutrition when alternatives for nutrition already exist, there is no need to SEARCH for them, right...NO!!!

See the contradiction...but that is how it is generally isn't it...when I talk of you I see you are wrong but when I do the same I have justification to make it right and so it is right, right....Not!!!

flor1212: There are many factors in the world like recession where thousands of employees are fired from reputed companies. So its not a big deal. What if other departments needs to shut down for some other reason? They will have to suffer then.

Is there any proof that they are searching for an alternative? And don't you think that its only when people protest they would react and take the matter into consideration?

Personally, I don't bother to use their products... and yeah, you were asking about the alternative, isn't it? The best alternative is to believe that you are a gift from God and that you can look beautiful without applying make up.

and what will they do with their research and development employees,FIRE all of them?

And you said too, we are NOT the directors or owners of these companies, so just be patient, maybe they are doing their search for good alternatives!

Oh, and about the price, we just need to pay if we want their products. If we can not afford, what's the alternative you think?

flor1212: The companies should try not to release new products. In order to catch up with the market trends and competition, they may use intense marketing strategies to lure the customers.

Afterall, who are WE to discuss such things? We are not the Directors of the Body Shop or L'Oreal. Its up to them to decide if they are going to stop animal testing or not in the first place.

Regarding the price: So you think that animal testing is too cheap? Well, its an expensive process and the products which they yield are also expensive.

searching for alternatives?

But until such time that an alternative is "discovered", what do you want these companies will do, release their products without testing? Would you be the first to react if a price of a certain product be raised because the testing methodology is affecting their price?

Everything is BUSINESS!

Prism: Its okay to kill animals HUMANLY so that your body absorbs enough nutrition (nutritional requirement is a necessity). To tell you the truth, I'm totally against torturing animals unnecessarily for preserving your vanity.

flor1212: By bringing out the alternatives, I'm not saying that animal testing can be eradicated completely. But it can work wonders to a great extend.

Did you read the comment thoroughly or are you just trying to mock my belief? Because I have mentioned the word "humans".

"can’t they find a safe way to test products without harming animals or HUMANS?"

and yeah, i did specify an alternative. here is an example:

"a company named VaxDesign has adopted replication system for human immune response to vaccines,immunosuppressants, and other agents. But most companies are slow adopters in similar technologies that enable them to replace animal testing."

and yeah, regulations is something to think upon. Its a totally different subject though.

Aha, that now brings back to my first question..... is it (really) reasonable to kill an animal just to placate my taste buds or another one for a different taste.

they would still be doing it on animals? Or you want it tested on actual human?

If you can not even specify an alternative, why bring this up in the first place?

Do you know how strict are regulations before such products are release on the market. These regulations are there to regulate such testings.

damselindistress: can’t they find a safe way to test products without harming animals or humans?

case in point- a company named VaxDesign has adopted replication system for human immune response to vaccines, immunosuppressants, and other agents. But most companies are slow adopters in similar technologies that enable them to replace animal testing. People do not like change. They prefer animal testing instead!

What I'm saying is that, in this IT era, companies could find an alternative to replace animal testing.

After all, is it really reasonable to cause a monkey an unfathomable amount of pain so that we can have a new shade of lipstick?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/animals/using/experiments_1.shtml

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/crueltyfree.

Prism: Brilliant thought! However, I have to admit that I'm a non veg (i don't want to be a hypocrite!)

There is a big difference between eating rats and eating chicken!

Ok, PA- once and for all, whom do you suggest these products should be tested?

britexpat: Source please!

Hemlata: I am not totally opposing your view point but if you are in favor of animal testing, I am willing to bet you have never seen exactly how animals are tested.

Leave the following and do whatever with others...:)

Johnson & Johnson

The Body Shop/L’Oreal

Lancome

Chanel

Christion Dior

Colgate Palmolive

Estée Lauder

Givenchy

Yves Saint Laurent

Who to boycott ??

The following are accused of Animal testing practices..

Avon Cosmetics

Jeyes

Beiersdorf

Johnson & Johnson

The Body Shop/L’Oreal

Lancome

Chanel

Fabergé

Christion Dior

Clinique

Miners Cosmetics

Colgate Palmolive

PZ Cussons

Coty

Reckitt Benckiser

Revlon

Estée Lauder

Garnier Yardley

Givenchy

Yves Saint Laurent

GlaxoSmithKline Unilever

Helena Rubenstein

lol...OK...:)

Is sadia chicken alive or is it killed.... I mean is it dead??

Princes Arora – you are giving contradictory statement. Some point you agree, some don’t.

I am sure; you will be using various poisonous sprays or insecticide in your home to kill mosquito, cockroaches, rat etc. They don’t die instantly rather gets lot of pain, Is it not torture to them? Govt too kills many street dogs by poisoning them

Halal or no Halal, we are slaughtering chicken, cow, goats, pig and eating them as it gives taste as well vitamin to body. I understand KFC uses many tortures method to make the chicken fat like feeding them heavily and restricting their movement.

Torture or no torture, animals are required for test of products before human being use and I don’t think Bodyshop is doing any thing wrong by testing their product on animal.

razz77: yup... i have heard a similar story that happened in KSA where a house maid placed a baby in freezer in order to put him to sleep.

another of those products which targets the vanity of women

Prnicess have seen my IM. ?ultimate cruelity shown by a human kind on earth.. before that nothing is comparable.. just read that you may post that to give an example of devils in human mask.

skittles007: I'm NOT saying that human testing can be tolerated although it is acceptable with their due consent.

Skittles, ofcourse we should ALSO focus on the vast expanse of human agony across the planet! But, that doesn't mean that our protest against cruelty to animals should be disposed.

There are abundance of issues to be taken in a critical way and animal testing is one among them.

The world is like a kaleidoscope. The infinite combination of colors seen in the kaleidoscope is the problems faced by the world- be it human beings, animals or idiots. :P

I'd rather have them do "animal testing" than human testing,another thing maybe just maybe we should focus on people and how they are being treated before we move on to animals. because I'm sure idiots at PITA are already all over this.

damselindistress: "Pain is an intrinsic evil whether it is experienced by a child, an adult, or an animal. If it is wrong to inflict pain on a human being, it is just as wrong to inflict pain on an animal."

2012 Olympics: You got the wrong definition of the word "scandal".

mariecor: There are cases where human beings are subjected to medical research, but, with their consent.

Princess, if not with animals, with whom do you want the manufacturer should have their products tested? To the human beings for them to torture like the animals?

Hemlata: The whole point is about torturing animals for the purpose of 'enhancing looks'.

Its okay to test animals in a 'supervised' medical experiments. For argument sake, its alright if such experiments can save millions of lives.

But, i still think that its horribly wrong. It has something to do with ethics- you can believe that something is totally immoral in principle, but in practise that doesn't always mean you'd oppose it.

I'm a little bit reluctant when it comes to the animal testing of beauty products. Say for example, shampoo. They squirt shampoo in an animals eyes over and over to measure how irritating it is. I think at this point we have a good grasp of what items irritate our eyes and how to use shampoo correctly.

How is this scandal if Body Shop is not profiting from animal testing? So the scandal is L'Oreal profits from a company that opposes animal testing? Not much of a scandal.

Would it made you feel better if they do those tests on humans instead of animals? For geez sake! To whom those people who are finding cure for sickness tests their works?

Sometimes, vegetarians made me laugh when they cry animal cruelty, what if we, non-vegetarians cry of plant/fruits cruelty? Just like the pic on one thread when an orange were put into a blender to be an orange juice. . Lol..

Come' on people, it's a cycle of life. . . It's like your asking the worms to stop eating us when were dead.

Animals are definitely used for clinical trial and it is accepted procedure.

Live animals too are killed for dissection in Science or Medical study which leads to many researches and inventions.

Your case is “Sau chuhe kha kar billi Haj karne chali’

Since 2000, I am using the products of Body Shop. I can't change brand. It is not a matter of supporting the cruel company...I just love their products.

ismailerum: Rat meat is haram because it is a dirty animal and in line with hadith we could not eat the meat of a horrible animal.

http://www.shariahprogram.ca/eat-halal-foods/fiqh-halal-haraam-animals.shtml

Prism: I think a non veg can be against animal cruelty. yeah, I do eat chicken, but I don't believe in treating them in a cruel manner. I'm not saying that killing is best for an animal but certainly cruelty involves torturing a living animal for a specific purpose...

and yeah, there are some processors of meat that are cruel to animals and I don't think its a right thing to do. Instead, I prefer a local butcher where animals are killed humanly.

The Quran allows us to eat meat as long as it is "Halal". Halal means that the animal is killed quickly and with less pain as possible.

I wouldn't be able to voice my opinion on animal testing as I fore go my right to say so when I am myself party to cruelty to or rather killing of animals, if I am a non-vegetarian.

ismailerum: Its an ongoing issue.

Prism: eating a rat is considered unethical while eating chicken is allowed by our religion (halal food).

I know its stupid, but i'm speechless by your question.

And let me ask you: Are you a veg/ non veg? if so, do you support against animal testing?

what is the difference....and who is eating rats?

It's an extract from 'The Independent' published on 18th March 2006.

If you are doubtful, do check a public library for the extract.

:)

ismailerum:

"On 17 March 2006, L'Oréal purchased cosmetics company The Body Shop for £652 million."

"Following L'Oréal's purchase of The Body Shop, who continue to be against animal testing, The Body Shop founder Dame Anita Roddick was forced to defend herself against allegations of abandoning her principles over L'Oréal's track record on animal testing. Calls were made for shoppers to boycott The Body Shop.[7]

L'Oreal has made quite a few statements on claims of animal testing [8]. Since 1989 the body shop have stopped all testing on animals.[9] which also can be found at their Company website [10]"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Or%C3%A9al

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ivu-veg-news/message/9904

If u are a non vegetarian whoever is appreciating you is supporting a cruel person.

So what has it to do with the body shop scandal? :P

Definitely NOT! :)

The reaction to this post is either appreciation or criticism. Everyone is deviating from the main point.

PEOPLE HERE ARE TALKING ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN AND IT COULD BE THE REASON FOR ME TO STAY TO ABSORB HOW BRILLIANT MINDS RUN...

Maybe, I should have given the title "The Body Shop Irony".

intention behind this post is good. but scandal may not be the right word........ :) what do u say princess Arora?

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Or%C3%A9al

"On 17 March 2006, L'Oréal purchased cosmetics company The Body Shop for £652 million."

"Following L'Oréal's purchase of The Body Shop, who continue to be against animal testing, The Body Shop founder Dame Anita Roddick was forced to defend herself against allegations of abandoning her principles over L'Oréal's track record on animal testing. Calls were made for shoppers to boycott The Body Shop.[7]

L'Oreal has made quite a few statements on claims of animal testing [8]. Since 1989 the body shop have stopped all testing on animals.[9] which also can be found at their Company website [10]"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ivu-veg-news/message/9904

I say...post something relevant to those who live in Qatar?

You see, these 2 topics are so broad in spectrum and can be tackled in many perspective: social relevance; religious aspect, vanity....

And unless you're an expert on the topic or armed with "facts"...go ahead...break a leg.

I CAN'T AFFORD THEIR PRODUCTS, SO MY CONSCINECE IS CLEAN.....

uh! you tell me... I will post whatever you say.

First, cosmetic surgery...

Now, its cosmetics....

What's next?

P.S. try to post the link where you get these (so called) facts...