15 killed as Israel fires at Gaza aid boat!!

It's always "both sides made mistakes" but it's usually the non-israeli side that incurs the most damage and loss of innocent lives. Israel has killed more innocent people in some years than a lot of terrorist groups have in a decade.

permitted to break the blockade, not the storming of the Turkish ship! The storming was just a consequence of the defiance of the warning! I hope you understand that!

I am not saying that what happened is right or in anyway defend Israel. As I said before, both sides made bad judgment call! And it resulted to loss of lives!

I despise groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, that being said, the Israeli government are as barbaric and savage as them. There is no excuse for the continuing development of settlements and even those palestinians who are sharing borders with these settlers have shared their stories of the extreme discrimination they face at the hands of the IDF, even the Israeli government themselves have acknowledged this, and said they couldn't properly rectify it because of 'budget' issues.

Israel always flaunts itself as the only democracy in the Middle east, but their government is no different in their actions than your common terrorist organization.

QS, It may be the weapons videos were staged, in order to hide their terrible goof-ups after boarding the ships.

i wish, either these arabs countries be under one caliph or adopt democracy, and then we will see the change in this region.

Dot.com I know you well enough by now to know that you are bothered about both Egypt and Israel, sadly most people are just focussed on Israel.

sorry dear, was too buzzy with friends, just saw ur few comments and thought to show u the link, that even egypt is not left alone, here u can check it

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/836764

qatarisun,

if I was you, I would not add anymore to the already mess your are trying to cover.

ops, sorry.. wasn't it? :)..

well , i posted it at 12:30 in the morning and i just came from some party... sorry guys :).. but it still proves that they know what they are looking for... ok, it is was not at the same flotilla, but it could be, right?

qatarisun, i think we can sum up your view this way

"palestinians have a grievance and are filled with religious zeal and murderous hate.

the israelies are a civilised society that are responsibly reacting to this threat"

to which i ask

havent the israelies shown that they have religious zeal and murderous hate? dont you need these qualities to:

1) believe a supernatural being has "promised" you a specific piece of land?

2) bulldose paelstinian homes based on this belief and continue to build settlements in spite of the criticism of even your closest allies

3) come with enough weapons from europe and a plan to take over a country based on this belief (zionism from late 1800s)

4) repeatedly achieve ~90% civilian casualties

5) have the upper hand in weapons (understatement) and refuse to allow UN inspectors at the border. why would some one do this!??

6) believe non-jews are evil (look up the hebrew word "goyim" please

7) make it illegal for palestinians to show their flag

8) institute a LAW to BREAK THE BONES of palestinians who throw stones at tanks and army vehicles. (if these stones were an actual threat, it would be difficult to come close enough to someone, grab them, and break their bones, wouldnt it?)

whose beliefs require him to fight the other and take their land?

who is stronger and refused to have the UN as witnesses?

who is really filled with zeal and hate?

shouldnt you be suspicious of that person instead?

you would be, unless you also support israel.

qatarisun,

Is "that ship" where the weapons were seized, part of the flotilla?

Come on, I too do not support Hezbollah nor any type of aggression against Israeli or Palestinian citizens or any other human being as a matter of fact, but coming to a public forum and declaring certainty over the sanity of these Israeli commandoes which are certainly unknown to you, is pushing it a bit too much, don't you think so?

How on earth can anyone of us who wasn't there, can guarantee that the aggressors Israeli commandoes or some of them aren't - to use your words - stupid idiots?!

All we know is that people got killed in international waters and the Gaza blockade is provoking human sufferance.

I find a bit inappropriate to be sitting here comfortably, assuming things, without experiencing what Palestinians are living in Gaza.

I doubt that if you were one of the Palestinian's citizens in Gaza, you would speak lightly the way you did in this discussion.

Qatarisun,

please make sure you post the facts.

that ship is antiguan flagged, named the Francop, and is not part of the flotilla of humanitarian aid.

the ship in the raid, with the killed volunteers, is turkish flagged.

seems you are trying very very hard "to see the dark side of the moon", dont you agree?. with that mentality, you leave almost no chance for the other side to be correct, true?

just an analogy. this is the same mentality that resulted in the iraq war. the supporters left no way for iraq to prove it had no WMDs (it is impossible to PROVE a country does not have something), despite all the SIGNS that they had none. in that case, people took this mentality and chose to always looke for "the dark side of the moon".

one last question, since everyone here has common sense. the flotilla is obviously meant to be a PR war against israel, right? wouldn't carrying 500 TONS! of weapons spoil the result? you are questioning what this ship was carrying is spite of common sense of their strategy?

by the way some of the people on the ship were from qatar, one recently returned and is a businessman. there were also women students from kuwait. do you think these type of people volunteer to do a peaceful protest, or one day decided to try weapon smuggling?

"I can not imagine that armed soldiers began firing on "peaceful" volunteers for no apparent reason... may be they are violent, but they are definitely not stupid idiots..."

arent you ingnoring the many videos/UN reports/death tolls of israeli soldiers killing unarmed civilians? if you cannot imagine it, just look on youtube. then you will not have to imagine.

"that volunteers were resisting the authorities and were impeding to perform their duties..this is my point.."

"If you resist a policeman in your own country, the policemen has right to open a fire, did you know that"

1) israel is not an authority in gaza

2) rachel corrie was in an area the UN recognises as palestinian territory. she also impeded the israeli's. if you maintain this logic, you are saying she deserved to be bulldosed. what a terrible thing to support the death of people who trying passive resistance. i guess ghandi is evil also...?

no one denies there are ships that carry weapons to the palestinians (they are not getting them from israel afeter all). im a sure that you will find noone on the francop is volunteer

im not sure how you saw my last post as a "tirade", i did not use inappropriate language, did i? but i have found people that want to look one way, will always discredit valid points this way.

how you can logically answer these questions if you still claim you are not politically biased. (i have no problem with you specifically, but there are many people that have your same mentality and cannot defend it, and i like to call them on it)

flor1212,

According to your "logic", if someone warns you that they will attack your home before they storm in, you have no right to defend yourself or complain because you were warned.

it is released now that 500 tons of weapons was seized by Israeli commandos during a raid on that ship...

and i think commandos had got a hint prior to their action, where and what to look for...it is obviously that it must have been something that provoked the Israelis and triggered their actions... I can not imagine that armed soldiers began firing on "peaceful" volunteers for no apparent reason... may be they are violent, but they are definitely not stupid idiots...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125732536158927651.html

even before the flotilla left Turkey, they were already warned that they won't be allowed to enter the blockaded zone!

I think it will be a different scenario if it happened inside the blockaded zone! Hard to imagine a worst scenario!

mmyke

are you for real?

Mmyke,

You will hear many many other things... each party will paint the picture to defend their own "innocent" side and accuse the machiavellic side of the other...

Meanwhile the Media will be profiting as usual!

many on the boats had ties to terrorist organizations, and that Turkey was fully aware of it...is this true?

Rishimba,

I saw an interview with 81-year-old Edward Peck, a career former US ambassador, who was on the flotilla. He said something that could provide the lady in question, some food for thoughts:

This is what 81-year-old Edward Peck, a career former US ambassador, who was on the flotilla, has to say:

"These [were] heavily-armed commandos who were in international waters to capture a ship full of men and women, who were not bothering Israel, who took what steps they could to prevent them from doing it, [and they] are accused of attacking [the Israelis]," he said in the interview which was released on Wednesday morning.

"They were defending the ship. The Israelis were attacking it. And to see someone use a deck chair against a heavily armed Israeli soldier, I mean my God that's a dangerous weapon," he said sarcastically. "It's called twisting the story. If you come to attack I and I defend myself, that's considered legal in law."

http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/archive/2010/06/02/watch-former-us-diplomat-edward-peck-flotilla-had-right-to-self-defense.aspx

If your home was invaded by strangers won’t you defend it?

This was international waters and the boat was invaded, what do expect, that those in the boat will welcome the invaders with a smile and a glass of champagne?

i was listening to the interview of an israel army major who was trying to defend and justify the actions of the israely troops. she seemed very convincing and was constantly referring to the video which israel had aired which showed that initially the ship's activists were lynching a few soldiers with sticks and rods and one troop was even thrown back into the waters.

she told that initially the troops climed into the ship from a boat but these few troops were overpowered by the ship's activists and beaten by rods and clubs. one was thrown back into the waters.only after that rest of the troops who were hovering in the chopper above descended and used live ammunitions.

she agreed that it was disproportionate use of force but at the moment, it was required for self defence.

i understand that the video was selective but this will weaken the case of the turks if there is an investigation..

Khatta true buddy, but sad for those guys who lost their life.

Arien....that's natural. Different People, Different Approach, Different Opinions. :-)

Khattak ..No, I still blame the peace keepers of ship 6 who is responsible to this mess.

Norman Paech, former member of the German parliament

This was not an act of self-defence [by the Israeli army], but rather it was completely disproportionate - although we were counting on our ship being blocked and maybe checked.

This was a very serious offence, this was a war crime.

I personally saw two and a half wooden sticks which were used [by activists].

We had not prepared in any way to fight. We didn't even consider it.

No violence, no resistance - because we knew very well that we would have absolutely no chance against soldiers like this.

Mihalis Grigoropoulos, Greece

I was steering the ship, we saw them [Israeli soldiers] capture another ship in front of us, which was the Turkish passenger vessel with more than 500 people on board and heard shots fired.

We did not resist at all, we couldn't even if we had wanted to. What could we have done against the commandos who climbed aboard?

The only thing some people tried was to delay them from getting to the bridge, forming a human shield. They were fired upon with plastic bullets and were stunned with electric devices.

There was great mistreatment after our arrest. We were essentially hostages, like animals on the ground.

They wouldn't let us use the bathroom, wouldn't give us food or water and they took video of us despite international conventions banning this.

Nilufer Cetin, Turkey

We stayed in our cabin and played games amid the sound of gunfire.

My son has been nervous since yesterday afternoon ... I did not need to protect my son.

They knew there was a baby on board. I put a gas mask and life jacket on my son.

We did not experience any other problems on board, only a water shortage.

We took walks on the deck, played games with my son. The curtains were drawn, so I did not see the raid as it was happening. I only heard the voices.

There are lightly and heavily wounded people.

There are thousands, millions of babies in Gaza. My son and I wanted to play with those babies. We planned to deliver them aid. We wanted to say: 'Look, it's a safe place, I came here with my baby-son.'

I saw my husband from a distance, he looked okay. The ship personnel was not wounded, because they [the soldiers] needed them to take the ship to port.

I will go again if another ship goes.

Cetin returned to Istanbul airport with her one-year-old son.

By Ayman Mohyeldin in Middle East on June 1st, 2010

Having failed so far to prove that arms were on board the Freedom Flotilla, Israel is now delivering to Gaza the aid that it prevented the aid ships from delivering.

They were called "terrorists and al-Qaeda sympathisers"... they were "armed and had planned a premeditated attack"... and finally hours after waiting in the sun to see the evidence, Israel said it would take the media inside the Ashdod port and let us see the cargo carried aboard the Freedom Flotilla...

These are some of the images (captured with my cell phone) of what I saw... children toys, medicines, text books, wheel chairs and much more... not exactly a list of contraband posing a risk to Israel's security as it has claimed, is it?

But the biggest irony in this tragedy is not just that the "weapons" Israel claims were on board have not yet materialised or been shown to the media, its that the aid, which Israel says Gaza does not need, and the aid which was on board the flotilla heading to Gaza and prevented by Israel from reaching its shores is now being delivered to Gaza by Israel as quickly as possible.

Arien...We are saying the same thing, I believe. :P

My point is that a "Commando" has so many ways to handle a "Civilian". Israeli Commandoes could've handled the situation without opening indiscriminate fire on the aggressive protestors.

Khattak ..the peace keepers attacked the commandos, and you blaming the commandos for not taking control of the situation peacefully :(

I condemn the attack, they have no rights to raid too in the international waters.But there was no need of any kind of aggrevation by the peace team.

Arien... Come again please. Didn't get you well :(

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KHATTAT you bang ma head and blaming for not wearing an helmet?

Excellent equation Adorman :)

The thing some of should know is it's happened in the international waters where Israel has no right to attack them. So in the international law Israeli soldier= Somali pirate.

those ships reached the blockade area? Will Israel sunk the boats unprovoked? Unimaginable but possible to happen. Hope there is no crazy enough to do it!

Whyteknight,

Again, you can’t take QL as a true representation of the world out there.

The QLers reactions recorded in QL do not necessarily give you the full picture, not now, not then and in any case.

Sometimes they contribute, sometimes they don't.

lol Khattak, I still condemn Israel's actions. They had no right to send commandos on a ship in International waters and highly trained commandos should know a better way to stop people than firing injudiciously.

What I am trying to say by mentioning that Egypt incident is that maybe people are concentrating too hard on hating Israel and nobody actually bothers what happens to those living in Gaza.

WK...One is Agressor...other is a puppet and both are condemnable. Till yesterday, you were also condemning Israeli act in this thread...does that also make you confused?

btw...are you again on PMS?

on the next flotilla which will be in that same area by today!

There was a thread WK, I think Brit Expat posted it, but it only got about 3 responses.

Nic I am not saying QL needs to report every event. All I am thinking is that all the sympathisers for Gaza should have been equally disturbed by both events but I see no reaction to one aid being blocked and people even calling for a Hitler-2 for this one. Such diametrically opposite reactions from the same set of people do confuse me.

whyteknight,

since when QL has to or is excused to comment on any particular issue?

Just because "A" is not commented in QL, QL is not allowed to comment on "B"?

QL isn't life nor a news agency!

A news article from the time when Egypt stopped aid from reaching Gaza, I can't remember a single thread in protest against that on QL :-/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/egypt-blocks-americans-fr_b_404959.html

but that is the other side of the coin. The other side claim somethings else. So let's wait. Presumption of innocence remains until proven otherwise.

All we hear now are pure grandstanding of some individuals and yet could not muster any decisive action. Why? Only events unfolding will answer that question!

Didn't Egypt use force against a peaceful delegation headed towards Gaza from their side a while back :-/

They used force in Egypt so maybe that's why they were excused.

Israel committed a crime because:

It stormed and attacked the ship in International Waters;

The ship was directed to Gaza and Gaza is NOT part of Israel;

Khattak as long as its under Isreali occupation they will do it!! Israel controls Gaza's airspace... territorial waters and does not allow the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea.

Arien...I agree with you to the extent that the Volunteers shouldn't have resisted aggressively. But, Commandoes are normally trained to take control of such situations peacefully ... aren't they?

You said...'they would have finished their inspection and left...'

Do you really think that Israel would have left them for Gaza after inspecting the ships? And why would the goods be inspected by Israel if it was for Gaza? Is Gaza a part of Israel?

"unarmed" means? Why only in one ship when the other five were also boarded by the Israelis?

One no need to be armed to be violent! All on board knew that they will be searched and checked. The other five were relatively peacefully settled, why the last one?

All these people who were on the Flotilla were unarmed humanitarians. They have no right to attack them! As per International Law, its a War crime! Turkey should take immediate action. Most of the countries including their most loyal partner US condemned Israel’s action.

flor1212 I just wish they had kept their cool, they would have finished their inspection and left, and the mission would have been successful. They will have no reason to sieze the ships.

that was interviewed yesterday, he was on another boat and there was no bad incident that happened to them because even if they did some passive resistance, no untoward incident happened in their boat. Now, why only in that Turkish ship happened that unfortunate incident? No provocation? Ow, com'on! But everybody agrees that the Israelis really mishandled the operation but not necessarily all their fault. Let's wait for the official investigation!

And come to think of it, who is gaining much regarding this incident? Your guess is as good as mine, Tur...

s_isale , If your question is directed to me, pls read ma comment again . I agreed it was in the international waters and they have no rights to raid.

Being a peacemission, they shouldnt have initiated the mess. thats all.

with people who have a set-mind for one side only. Yesterday, in one interview made by Al Jazeera, the interviewee mentioned that two days before the flotilla sails, they made an interview (in Arabic) of the activists and they really mentioned that they won't allowed themselves to be stopped by the Israelis, whatever the consequence would be!

where the ships in Israeli territory before they boarded it?

Observer , I think they were peace team, why it didnt happen in the other 5 ships wher the Israelies stormed in?? None were killed or even hurt. First see the footage , it clearly shows, the moment they were dropped from the helicopter they were attacked, without any provocation.

That's one of the problems observer, everyone knows everything about everyone beforehand.

@ mohannad: u r a muslim how could u say that jews killed jesus? they tried to kill him but he was lifted to sky by god and they killed a man who looks like him.

@ Arien: what do u mean by saying that the peace team shouldnt have shown aggression and resistence? what do u expect them to welcome the (previously known) criminals with roses? they did that becasue they knew Israel will not pass most of the goods in the ship to Gaza! they came all the way leaving thier jobs and families to deliver this to Gaza! That is why they resisted!

Deliberately sending the boats and going with them, is the type of action that these people are restricted too!

Yet another attempt to recall the world’s attention, to this politico-religious driven tragedy.

even provide an honest solution, do you think that by sending aid ships will solve it?

Reality is far from being a reality here! All words and no definite actions. That is, on one side, but the perceived enemy, what they say, they do, they don't care what other say! They are that ..........

there are a lot of bad things in this region and if you ever think that that flotilla will solve it, look what happens, and we all cry foul.

I totally agreed with Britexpat........

Very unfortunate.....Human have short memory, forget and forgiven quickly!

GCC needs to take strong actions to STOP Israel.

flor212,

I am not going to invest time in briefing you about the history of that region. There are so many ways you can do it yourself.

My initial reaction was to your comment "Those ships should have not traveled in the first place!". According to whom? Is this your personal opinion?

I sure believe that if you were a Palestinian, living in Gaza, you would be more considerate for their current misery and maybe then you would have supported the travelling of those ships!

is that what you're saying? To the extent of giving reasons to the "enemies" as perceived? I thought we were talking about the ship being attacked? Or something that started more than half a century ago? Please enlighten me about your thought!

lol ofcourse those on-board the ships were trying to provoke Israel, to bring this issue back in the notice of the entire world. They succeeded in doing that but will anyone react this time, hard to imagine.

flor1212,

Are you aware of the situation?

The problem is not the ships or the incident, the problem is much greater than that and it has been killing people for a few millenniums!

this was a provocative act to seek provocative reactions, to wake up again the sleepy fat leaders of this world, who only react when incidents like this take place... for a while and then they go back to sleep again!

600 to 800 people on board, wow! that's 600 different minds at least! All peace-loving people! I will still wait for video showing the Israeli commandos even before setting their foot on the vessel started firing their guns. Those ships should have not traveled in the first place! IMHO only!

They stormed in to all the ships. This mishap happend in only ONE OF THE SHIP. The footage shows,the moment the Israelies were dropped on board from the copters, they were attacked by the prople on board. Unwanted aggrevation by a peace movement? .. rest of the ships were examined peacefully.

Though it happend in the international waters were Israel has no rights to interfere, considering the conflict in place.. the peace team shouldnt have shown aggression and resistence.

Until this conflict is seen by some as an "Arab against Israelis backed up by the entire West' its solution wont go nowhere as history has proven.

It’s about time to start dealing with the issue by considering that many westerners and many Israelis are against Israel Policies! A world united against the supremacy and brutality of Israel’s policies would have a stronger impact than the silly "Arab against the west" approach!

Turkey, it was destined to have a violent ending. And to think that they can reason with the Israelis? Violent provocation is not justification but for this country who is just looking for reasons to strike, when will they learn? Wait for the official independent investigation! Hopefully there would be one!

Quran called the Jews "murderers of Prophets"

They have killed many of the prophets and messengers of God including "Jesus Christ" peace be upon him.

So why they should care about killing people

let's be clear.

let's Support the innocent

whether hindu, muslim, christian, jew or whoever.

let's NOT SUPPORT THE CRIMINALS

those who have sympathies with ISRAEL today, i have my sympathies with them for their utter blindness and moral emptiness. I wish they could spend ONE NIGHT IN GAZA to see and feel and experience what we humans feel under siege.

2,000+ Israelis r now protesting against aid boat raid opposite

Defence Ministry in Tel Aviv.

Good to know that there are still sane israelis

How do pirates like their ham?

Don't be stupid. Israeli's don't eat ham.

'Every cloud has a silver lining'

A myth invented to help Jews conquer their fear of flying

....The killing of innocent civilians is an everyday scene, but we should clap and feel indebted that the perpetrators are being "reprimanded" and "disciplined" for wiping out the lives of 23 innocent souls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/world/asia/30drone.html?th&emc=th

My god QS!!! are you for real!!!!

Man,,,, people have died, and not for nothing, but for something they believe in "Freedom" Real one not the kind your countires are claiming.

and you are saying that they have been doing that for 60 years... where were they before that... who occupied who.

I will say no more, you cannot fight ignorance.

it equals

Muhatir Muhammed has wisely defined it

Ohhhhh

I

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sadly not more then this.

The IOC is as much use as tits on a man...

they care less then a penny.

The OIC is planning to take it up with UN Security Council, Deja vu..

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/oic-condemns-freedom-flotilla-attacks-1.634966

you are right Brit, but I also feel the strom will have some strength like rishimba mentioned.

This will give an opportunity to know the stand of the arab countries on Gaza and how much they care

They are now attacking someone in International waters . Power has gotten into their head, wish they pick someone their own size for once. They will keep attacking Palestinians and anyone who looks to help them, the Arabs will keep looking at US to intervene and US will keep expressing it's deep sympathies for the dead. Round and round we go.

If UN Has to show his Seriousness on this israel killings in international waters, they should put tell israel behave your self and tell United states as well that stop supporting israel.

Israel is the terrorist state.

;)

you read the link which posted ships are in international sea

It happened about 40 miles (64 km) out to sea, in international waters.

security procedure starts in the international sea

two side picture

I hope this time it's less words and some action by world leaders !!

Israel is also risking safety of it's citizen by provoking such action and causing general grief in world

UN Is dummy..... The stand turkey has took, The rest countries has to take. Now is the high time.I Hope Arab league should take some strict action.

Forgot Egypt, they will not even say anything. And this time, no one will forgot this incident at all.

ES you are talking about a possible soultion, Brit described the most probable scenario.

i don't know but lots of blood waisted and we came back at the same place where history going to be made we will remmber our be loved leaders

The UN needs to resolve the situation of Israel and Palestine.

UN should guarentee the right of Israel to exist and pledge to defend it if attacked

UN should use sanctions against Israel if it refuses to negotiate a two state solution or buds anymore settlements. This includes the US and all military supplies. (that means you as well Russia)

if an agreement is not reached the UN declares palenstinr an inpdependent state and defines the Borders and sends troops to defend this new country

i dont think it would be forgotten soon this time. the reason being, the ship, mafi marmara had a turkish flag and apparantly, some turks have been killed as well.

turkey presently holds an important place in world politics in this region now besides being an ally of the US. they would not keep quiet. the storm will remain longer than expected.

The Arabs will make noises, Hosni Mubarak will make the mandatory speech in return for a few more dollars;

Obama will voice his regret at the loss of civilian lives;

The rest of the world will go "tssssk tssssk";

Israeli PR machine will go into overdrive;

And it will soon all be forgotten..:O(

netanyahu was scheduled to meet obama in the next few days..the trip has been called off by both parties..:)

i wonder what US has to say on this..

The biggest terrorist is Israel. They breached international law and attacked people who were carrying humanitarian supplies to gaza.... Death to israel

ISRAEL would pay for its sin soon..its enough now..I m glue to gaza news more after coming to middle east..And telling u very frankly,my heart goes out for innocents who have lost their lives so far...

and now all muslim countries should fight against ISRAEL. i dnt care about 2 side of pictures.

@ qatarisun: I will say one thing

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

SHAME ON U!!

how terrorists are these 15 people

who allow them to bring food to hungry people????

@ olive, who is promoting the killing of innocent people?

waiting to see wht the Arab countries has to say on this..

This is a cold blooded murder by israel forces inside international waters.

Now is the high time Israel should explain things to the world....

Lawa i agree with you

The sad part is that israel is not telling the situation of the people onboard the ships.

for third world war i think they gone a repeat thier history again as hittler done with them..

Niiicccceee, so you're really promoting the idea of killing 6 million innocent people mzain. What does that say of you?

genesis summed up the situation perfectly. The israeli gov is as bad as hamas in a lot of respects.

Israel needs to be stopped

I don't think Israel will be too bothered by a diplomatic boycott but still it's a way to register protest.

best greeting to Turkey.

People are dying of air-raids, hunger and drought, just close to 1000Kms from here.

I bet for some of us its business as usual, let's eat drink and party.

--

Israel is The CANCER for World Peace

TelAviv has enough nukes to bomb the world 7 times. NY Times 10/09/09

People are dying of air-raids, hunger and drought, just close to 1000Kms from here.

I bet for some of us its business as usual, let's eat drink and party.

--

Isreal is The CANCER for World Peace

TelAviv has enough nukes to bomb the world 7 times. NY Times 10/09/09

Oh Allah, have mercy on the martyrs.

Many of us are capable of seeing the citizens of a country as separate from their governments. While I condemn the Israeli government I can't support the killing of innocent Israeli's any more then I can support the killing of innocent Palestinians.

Turkey has called back their ambassador from israel..

Turkey has called back their ambassador from israel..

Turkey has called back their ambassador from israel..

I didn't mean to sound like Netanyahu isn't as fanatic as the Hamas. Frankly I don't think the end is anywhere near until enough people on both sides of the fence say enough is enough (much like the situation in Ireland) and both the US & a combined Middle East is willing to pressure both sides into agreeing to a settlement. This is a long way away.

seeing people somehow justifying Israel's barbaric actions.

Hail the BIG BROTHER!!!!

Israel will have to pay for this killings, and the previous killings also.......

seeing people somehow justifying Israel's barbaric actions.

Hail the BIG BROTHER!!!!

Whilst I am no supporter of Hamas or the Palestinians, I find it truly amazing that people can actually justify Israel's action in this instance..

In order for all sides to sit and work things out, you need to have both sides agreeing to have a peace talk in the first place

Netanyahu-liberman rightist government is no less fantatic then Hamas

As I've written earlier. If Israelis are determined for peace, secular Israeli intellects must move fast . But as long more settlements are built , and Israelis refusing to take part in a peace talk. People in the ME will continue supporting Hamas

No matter how much we try to call for coexistence :(

Is there a peaceful solution to this?

I will be interested to know some Middle-eastern opinion on this. What do you guys think is the solution?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/201053082239109343.html

we should all Hail Israel for it has fought and slaughtered terrorism again.

victory for isreal supporter

zionism rule !!!

humanism doomed

QS I figure most of this aid goes directly into the hands of the Hamas and whatever other tinpot war leader is in the area and not into the hands of the people who need it. This whole situation is never going to end until all sides agree to sit and work out a reasonable solution.

we should all Hail Israel for it has fought and slaughtered terrorism again.

victory for isreal supporter

zionism rule !!!

humanism doomed

ghahat, I am very glad that my post helped you to release your anger out ..at least one person I helped today..

And I don’t mask my political bias. You can track my posts, and you will see, that I feel bitterness every time when people get killed… and that I feel really sad knowing that innocent people are dying… everyone, who knows me, should know that any violence makes me physically sick, and this endless conflict upsets me deeply..

but we don't know what happened in this particular case.. all I know is that this is every country’s right to check what is imported, and to be honest, it is surprising me , that volunteers were resisting the authorities and were impeding to perform their duties..this is my point..

But again, I hope you feel better after your tirade… and I am glad I helped you to sleep better tonight..

First: These ships were under the supervision of Turkish aid and if it was intended to search for weapons was a very small issue that is done in cooperation with the Turkish administration because the big ship loaded from Turkey, which have a diplomatic relationship with Israel

Second: These generators and equipment require maintenance, spare parts and a weekly definite

Third: Is 10 kg all to eat?

Fourth: This attack happened in international waters and not in territorial waters, which makes this attack in international law piracy

What I know is that Israel withdrew from Gaza and therefore has no authority over the waters of Gaza under international law

I know what you wanted to convey here, I never want to go to after the personalized.

I might be naive

Khyber, Khaibar, O Jews ... Army of Muhammad is coming back

This is really sad... Arab League has called an emergency meeting, turkey pm has cancelled his tour, and is back in turkey,

This is really sad... Arab League has called an emergency meeting, turkey pm has cancelled his tour, and is back in turkey,

for a dust-up this coming summer,,,

lets see,,,Scuds in Lebanon, Israeli subs off thesouth coast of Iran,,,,North Korea timing precisely the sinking of the South Korean ship,,,Chavez mucking around in South America,,,,

what do you expect,,,?

This is really sad... Arab League has called an emergency meeting, turkey pm has cancelled his tour, and is back in turkey,

"Casualties could hurt Israel's international image and diplomatic relations"

Now theer's a laugh.... As long as Big Brother is there to watch over Israel, it can do what it wants with impunity...

"Casualties could hurt Israel's international image and diplomatic relations"...

Now there's a joke... As long as Israel has big brother to watch over it, there is nothing to worry about :O(

who is the UN to question humanitarian aid requirements, if qatarisun says it is more than enough! i mean she obviously knows exactly what weight of fuel, potable water, machinery to be replaced, etc is required.

since qatarisun is not consuming 10KG/week, then that means that palestinians in Gaza are living a higher standard than her!

therefore i am starting a charity to collect humanitarian aid for qatarisun as she needs it more than those palestinians in gaza who are obviously living such a lavish lifestyle. i will not stop until she has as much those people in gaza.

afterall, israel has proven to be very humanitarian in the past and so if they say 10KG is enough then we should trust them.

also, since we cannot know we cannot "know what has happened there, who attacked who, and how and why these people were killed". it is perfectly plausible that the boat volunteers opened fire on the commandos.

"If you resist a policeman in your own country, the policemen has right to open a fire, did you know that" therefore the israeli army had the right to bulldose rachel corrie.

qatarisun, you ask people to not be so naive, and yet you comment in the most naive way to mask your political bias. you do have a view on this issue, it is obvious. so do not hide it behind the pretense that you are impartial and what you are stating is just the facts.

who is the UN to question humanitarian aid requirements, if qatarisun says it is more than enough! i mean she obviously knows exactly what weight of fuel, potable water, machinery to be replaced, etc is required.

since qatarisun is not consuming 10KG/week, then that means that palestinians in Gaza are living a higher standard than her!

therefore i am starting a charity to collect humanitarian aid for qatarisun as she needs it more than those palestinians in gaza who are obviously living such a lavish lifestyle. i will not stop until she has as much those people in gaza.

afterall, israel has proven to be very humanitarian in the past and so if they say 10KG is enough then we should trust them.

also, since we cannot know we cannot "know what has happened there, who attacked who, and how and why these people were killed". it is perfectly plausible that the boat volunteers opened fire on the commandos.

"If you resist a policeman in your own country, the policemen has right to open a fire, did you know that" therefore the israeli army had the right to bulldose rachel corrie.

qatarisun, you ask people to not be so naive, and yet you comment in the most naive way to mask your political bias. you do have a view on this issue, it is obvious. so do not hide it behind the pretense that you are impartial and what you are stating is just the facts.

International legal experts are saying that what they are doing now is a war crime!

IF you have read/seen about the life of people in gaza strip, you would have not said that... its obvious that they dont have enough of anything...

Adorman, I don’t think you are so naive, and I am sure that you understand that they most likely were looking for some weapons that could be used against them one day..and since this is practicing for the last 60 years, i don't think this is something unexpected.. and again, "peaceful people" should have helped the authorities to do their job. If you resist a policeman in your own country, the policemen has right to open a fire, did you know that?

and hey generators and water desalination equipment is not delivered weekly for each person..

and hey don't pick up on me.. I just try to see "dark side of the moon"... And i always say, i wish one day this senseless fight would be finished! but.. it doesn't look like it's in ANY SIDE's interests! and eventually innocent people are dying..

The killings should be condemned and it's a shame to see more innocent lives wasted in this struggle but I can't blame Israel for being suspicious about the cargo. Hamas is getting weapons from somewhere.

Regadless of the facts your presented

16 innocent civilians were murdered in cold blood. None of them were palastanian, but multi national humantarians

were carrying nuke weapons in suitcase along with biological and chemical weapons, and one of the victim among 15 volunteers were retired us colonel, i doubt if he didn't know it.

no way Khanan, that's not what i meant at all...

what I say is we weren't there and therefore we cannot know what has happened there, who attacked who, and how and why these people were killed...

I am not on anyone's side, and I guess you must know how much i hate violence..and you know that I always wish this senseless fight and unnecessary people lost would be ended one day... but, we also have to understand that along with the volunteers some unwanted items could penetrated into the country.. Items, which even these volunteers might be not aware of!

so instead of resisting, i guess they should have helped the concerned people to inspect the premises.. don't you agree with me?

FS, it is not a question of reaching or not..we assume it does reach these people.. the question is that I personally for sure don't consume 10KG weekly.. this is already nonsense.. and moreover, UN says, it is even not enough!..

atleast qatar is not killing volunteers.

15,000,000 KG not only food, there are generators, medicines, water desalination equipments and if you do the math yea we consume more than that. "every country has rights to know what is imported into its territory" since when Gaza became part of Israel??

Dot.com nobody follows all UN norms, Qatar and Hamas included. It is an impotent body.

can you??

OR you always see two sides of picture!

your post seems to be justifying the killings!

VERY VERY SAD!!!!!!

can you??

OR you always see two sides of picture!

your post seems to be justifying the killings!

VERY VERY SAD!!!!!!

just for the change of taste, will u condemn these barbarism?

look at the amount of comments this thread received? if it was let say any other "middle eastern" country this thread would've received 4 pages worth of comments stating how barbaric "certain ppl" are and how they should receive the toughest actions....hypocrites...

QS are you sure those 15,000,000 KG reach to those poor people?? or Israelis don’t have enough place to store more stolen humanitarian Aid?

qatarisun you really expect UN to talk sense?

first of all, TWO SIDES of the story.

I guess you all will agree, as a normal security procedure, every country has rights to know what is imported into its territory. And I guess, the volonteers were impeding inspection of premises,

"..such as physically blocking the steering room, or blocking the engine room downstairs... But that was just symbolic resistance." (BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm)

...and the fight ensued...

Another note,

"Israel says it allows about 15,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week.

But the United Nations says this is less than a quarter of what is needed."

Little calculation... Population of Gaza strip is about 1,4 – 1,5 MLN people. Now, 15,000,000KG is delivered to Gaza weekly. It means that every person in Gaza, including just-born babies and elder people receive over 10KG of humanitarian aid weekly.

I guess, this aid mostly includes food and medicaments.

Now, I am wondering, does each of us really consume even 10KG of food and medicaments every week?

And United Nations says this is "less than a quarter of what is needed"?? it means as per on United Nations each person, including babies needs 40KG (!) of goods every week??

wow..

is there any UN rules and regulations, which Israel has to follow?

Its 19

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1282802/Israeli-forces-kill-19-people-carrying-aid-ship-Gaza.html

in that story it also mentions that Hamas has fired a lot of missiles at Israel. What is the relevance of that statement?

Nobody is clean there, neither Israel nor Hamas

Nobody is clean there, neither Israel nor Hamas

in that story it also mentions that Hamas has fired a lot of missiles at Israel. What is the relevance of that statement?

in that story it also mentions that Hamas has fired a lot of missiles at Israel. What is the relevance of that statement?

in that story it also mentions that Hamas has fired a lot of missiles at Israel. What is the relevance of that statement?

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BBC have done a story on this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm

BBC have done a story on this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm

May the soul of the volunteers be in rest and peace.

Guru Jee is Action :(

May the soul of the volunteers be in rest and peace.

Israel: Causing embarrassment to US since 1948.

Piracy but this time not Somalians.

it's sad thing to see people who has nothing except food and medicines are facing the commandos fully armed. I knew that would happen, when channels like CNN and BBC has ignored aid ships journey from the begining.

We cant generalize here as Its not the West...but the Western Governments....Most of the passengers/volunteers are from the Western Countries. Salute to all of them.

definitely the scenario would be different in case of iran, and all the media's would shouting with breaking news

A barbaric attack on Aid boat with WMD by Iran and..............

I wonder if it was Iran who did this, how the reaction of the West would have been...

khattak thanks , good link, ddn know how i missed that thread.

Eco had provided a great link in her thread here:

http://witnessgaza.com/

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1069522

It has all the updates...just click on the link.

most probably they did not killed those 15 deliberately, it is an incident.

That was anticipated....Sad though.

this is not the first time

Israel had bomb a US Liberty ship in 1967 which result the death of 34 american soldiers including officers.

The boats belongs to NATO, will US still support Israel?