More evidence of bribery in 2022 bid

trolling again s_isale...why not try making a positive contribution to the post

here comes the know all with his analysis. too bad he was a little late in picking up the story.

frenchieman,

Don’t bother, it’s just a non sense and shallow “brown nose” case craving for attention.

flor1212--please explain.

support Qatar World CUp 2022. we can see how qatar win fifa decision . Lets see

is happening now in Libya, I really doubt your free press!

frenchieman,

i sure hope they get it back on the right side.

Genesis--Well if the accused claims innocence, then he must be innocent. After all, what possible reason would would the bid team have to lie? Nothing to see here . . . LOL. If anything, the statement from the bid team reveals how it fundamentally does not understand the nature of the Western media or how Western governments are subject to it.

Nic--Evidence is already turning up, but it may take awhile for the whole picture to become clear. Have faith in a free press.

No evidence is or probably will ever be available. There are innumerous ways to "influence" without leaving trail.

Maybe the public will never know the truth but go outside, look around you and feel the weather that is now surrounding us in Doha. Its only May. Imagine how it will feel in a month from now. How pleasant the weather will be to play football and to celebrate and party in the streets and beaches of Doha with a pint or two of beer!

Just imagine this scenario and you will realize that somewhere in the bidding process, something went terribly wrong!

God will punish severely the cheaters regardless who they were (if any).

nothing else! Better create a break-away FIFA group!

http://english.aljazeera.net/sport/football/2011/05/201152310444448881.html

On Monday the bid team released a 1,700-word statement through the Qatar Football Association, attacking the newspaper for making "false claims" public and saying they welcomed an investigation.

They also said that a "whistleblower" due to be interviewed by FIFA was a disgruntled former employee "with an axe to grind."

"All the allegations are hearsay and supposition. In addition, the allegations are wholly unsupported by any documentary material whatsoever"

"However, such an investigation must surely only be carried out by a properly constituted body with due authority and independence where our side of the story can be heard.

"It is wholly inappropriate for any examination of the bid committee's affairs to be based on unsubstantiated hearsay and inaccurate journalism."

The newspaper's submission to the Culture, Media and Sport (CMS) select committee inquiry admitted that there was no proof of the allegations into corruption.

"To have this achievement tarnished by completely unsubstantiated and false allegations and for those allegations to be propounded by the Parliament of the United Kingdom is something we find distressing, insulting and incomprehensible."

hahahah...busted

thats typical Qatar, bury ya head in the sand...lets face it this issue is not going away

Exactly, Apoose. Not even Al Jazeera English has reported on this story, despite it being a lead on CNN and the BBC. I guess someone upstairs has told them to keep quiet!

apoose,

the answer is well known: NO!

There is no press freedom here in Qatar to report this?!! ha ha ha

so what is wrong about someone sponsoring an event and expecting something in return. Isnt that what multinational companies do to earn contracts all over the world?

Consider the timeline and it starts to become apparent who is really behind all this.

August 2010 and Bin Hammam announces that he won't challenge Blatter for head of FIFA.

Everything is quiet and there are no leaks from FIFA damaging to Qatar or any other country.

Qatar then goes on to win the 2022 World Cup, and shortly after Bin Hammam stabs Blatter in the back and announces that he will challenge after all.

And now, curiously just weeks before the FIFA election, a series of damaging leaks and allegations against Russia and Qatar make their way in to the media.

Going by the most recent maths, Blatter is looking confident in retaining his position at the top of FIFA, since a lot of voters previously committed to Bin Hammam have now decided that voting for a Qatari to head FIFA after allegations against Qatar, would be a bad look.

Keep in mind too that in just the last day or two, it has been revealed that Qatar did pay, controversially, the Confederation of African Football to present their bid. Never before has any bidding country offered or been made to pay money to present their bid:

http://www.modernghana.com/sports/328549/2/caf-president-denies-corruption-claim.html

"In an attempt to drum up support for their bid, the Qatar bid committee offered CAF $1.8 million, sponsoring fee for (the) CAF General Assembly. In return, Qatar 2022 Bid Committee was given the exclusive rights to address the general assembly and make presentations to members."

CAF said the sponsorship had been approved by its executive committee and an agreement signed with the Qatari bid committee.

Sour grapes and jealousy ... and sore losers!

Ice Maiden is right. "No way it is acceptable to cheat, but this wheeling dealing has been going on for long. Not as if Qatar & Spain were the first. But why did FIFA take so long to clean up the mess, and that too they raise a hue and cry only when it serves some ulterior motive" - Precisely.

Qatar's bid process was always viewed as unlikely.

Then prior to the vote, there were questions raised about the conduct of the bid team.

And then it won the bid, and people scratched their heads.

And now very high level, serious allegations, complete with names and dollar figures are being made about Qatar.

If FIFA now elects Bin Hammam as President in under 3 weeks, it will look very, very dodgy indeed.

And if a few shifty people signed some questionable checks to African football cronies on behalf of Qatar, that shouldn't taint the reputation of the whole country (or region).

But in my opinion, it will. Nic is dead right to suggest that just the whiff of allegations of misconduct and impropriety is just making Qatar look really, really bad. And this is the stink that don't wash off.

and Bin Hamman shuld understand that being president of Asain footbal federation is light years different from being president of the FIFA and he should be aware of democratic practices and priciples which he could ignore at the AFA.

As I said, the impact on Qatar, maybe catastrophic, as all future development are moved forward, with FIFA2022 in mind:

The Sunday Times also alleged that Amadou Diakite, a former FIFA executive committee member who remained on the referees’ committee, talked about $1m to $1.2m payments for "projects by Qatar in return for their 2022 vote" during telephone conversations.

The letter further claimed the paper had been told by “a whistleblower that worked with the Qatar bid” that the Gulf state had paid $1.5m to Hayatou and Jacques Anouma of the Ivory Coast to secure their vote.

“[The allegations] raise questions about the validity of Qatar’s winning bid,” said the letter.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/qatar-paid-millions-in-world-cup-bribes-report-399028.html

Flan, You need to put soccer before Aussies Rule only then Oz might have a chance!

fubar,

It’s a sad – still open - chapter in FIFA's history.

The issue is pretty much alive and no one knows if ever it will reach closure.

The outcome of this investigation may put at risk Qatar's reputation, the way it’s perceived by the International community and its entire future!

The coming election of FIFA’s president will also play a role on how this investigation will be conducted.

One possible outcome is countries choosing not to participate in the FIFA World Cup, and to compete in a separate tournament organized by someone else. Essentially the UK has floated the idea of boycotting the FIFA event if the corruption situation is not dealt with satisfactorily.

With or without the corruption, I wonder if countries will choose to boycott Qatar anyway, for reasons to do with the weather, safety, security etc. Basically all the threats that were pointed out in the assessment report. The one that ranked Qatar last out of the

frenchieman,

I sure hope so for the sake of this world.

Corruption should never prevail as it will destroy all ethic values and principles, humanity stands for.

Nic--The big mansions the bribed committee members are building would be a clue.

No way these guys are good at hiding bribes. They live in cultures in which bribery is par for the course. It will all come out.

Ice Maiden,

Unfortunately, Wikileaks' main sources are intersected cables.

In this case the evidence will certainly not be "cables".

I am quite sure that all the wrong doing was done carefully not to leave any trace... Money would have been paid in cash and most certainly not through official means.

Investigation to be effective needs to go beyond the conventional ways.

The world needs to know the truth, and not allow corruption take over!

I wasn't too sure about England, but Australia not standing a chance, that was just.........I mean, a sports loving nation, hosted the Olympics, the Melbourne Cup, The World Rugby Championship, beautiful weather in June/July. And they gave it to a country that did not score well on it's technical bid, and the weather in July, the less said about the better. Take it back...nah..I don't think so. These countries have "invested" too much into this. FIFA should have nipped the problem in the bud, rather than waiting for it to turn into a circus.

If the evidence is overwhelming, I would think so.

but would the evidence against these 'unethical' or corrupt members enough for the FIFA Committee to change their decisions for 2018 and 2022 Bid winners?

Elaph, did you even read the article you posted?

The "bribes" that may have "ruined Australia's bid", are the bribes that Qatar paid to the two African countries in question.

Read first. Then post. That will save you future embarrassment.

Ice Maiden--they probably got bribed too :-)

hmm perfectly normal when australia try to bribe and ruin their world cup but it is a big sin if qatar do it ?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/soccer/sepp-blatter-vows-to-probe-fifa-bribe-claim/story-e6frey4r-1226053760401

get over it,your heart is sealed with hate

no need for wikileaks......a bid that failed the inspections miserably, yet won the bid comfortably.

a boycott or legal case will set the record straight.

on vacation

Where is Wikileaks when you need it??

not again! and again! and again! This world will never really be peaceful!

We are talking here of Millions of Dolllars! Just imagine the BILLION of Dollars on those war torn countries right now! They really want to start war inside FIFA? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

For now. But he'll change his mind as new evidence is uncovered. He'll have no choice.

"British Sports Minister Hugh Robertson ruled out calling on FIFA to re-stage the 2018 vote after England were knocked out in the first round with only two votes.

He added: 'There is no practical chance of the process being re-run - that would be a huge admission of failure by FIFA."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1385890/FA-forced-cut-ties-FIFA-amid-corruption-scandal.html#ixzz1M32fNzOj

Obviously by extension this statement also applies to the 2022 bid, but as England were not party to that bid it was not mentioned.

This does however put forward the oppotunity for all the 'losing' bidders for both bids to sue FIFA out of existence and start afresh.

volleygirl5,

It's not FIFA per se, its some individuals in and out of FIFA, that would use all they have in hand to achieve their personal objectives.

If FIFA is corrupt that makes the bid the fruit of the poison tree.

No one should be surprised as this is not news, just a report about facts that took place in the past.

Time to get rid of the corrupt FIFA.

The funny thing is that in this whole wide world of football loving nations there are just two guys standing for elections for President of FIFA. The whole system is corrupt and is manipulated for the benefit of a few individulas and countries.

About their code of ethics, etc.... the less said the better.. It is more of a show and to hoodwink the rest of the football loving community while this few individuals enrich themselves.

I vote with my feet and I don't watch it. If you disagree with what is going on in football there is one solution, stop watching it - if enough people do this it will dent profits etc

but this is as likely as certain animals flying

fubar, it should be: if we don't cheat, somebody else surely will. So, what to do?

Fubar

irrespective of what happened with the recent bids etc, there have long been whispers about FIFA and Sepp Blatter and the rest, in relation to all sorts of financial irregularities, which the authorities seem to do b****r all about. Probably because they are so rich they can intimidate with lawsuits

We seem to have two polarized schools of thought here. Some believing that FIFA is corrupt through and through, and the only way to win is to slip brown envelopes under the table.

And then there are those who see this as some sort of smear, and Qatar won with honesty and integrity.

There doesn't seem to be a middle ground here, although if the court of public opinion was deciding this, FIFA is without doubt a bunch of corrupt old cronies.

But it is nice to think that there are still people in this world who see virtue where the rest of us see vice.

All of football is a corrupt mess, run by corrupt people and played by those that only see $'s in their eyes and unless it is about cold hard cash (and maybe hookers and injunctions in the UK), they are just not interested.

If you want to throw in the word 'should' then doesn't it become subjunctive? I am in so far out of my depth on this one.

Although, strangely, we've got back to the point of the article.

SHOULD we cheat, because we assume everyone will be?

Doesn't that go quite against the grain of FIFA and their fair play crap?

Ice Maiden--maybe because Qatar's bid took it to a whole other level. A little bit of dealing is tolerated but bribes in the forms of millions of dollars is over the top. Sort of like a speeding car. Police generally let it go if its just a few kilometers over, but something racing by at 200 km/hour cannot be ignored, especially if it is in broad daylight.

fubar, even then they already used 'slogans', which are not always correct in every respect. However, we have conjunctive in both cases which may (freely) be transferred into 'the world may want to be cheated, so, we should cheat it'.

Yes, you don't want to muddle your indicatives, your declaratives and your imperatives.

LLP, you have twisted the original latin of the phrase. You’ve used the first person plural (we deceive) rather than the third person indicative passive (let it be deceived).

So are you trying to deceive us about your forefathers?

*** Correction - third person indicative passive would be 'let them be deceived' ***

I knew I should have studied my 3rd conjugation IO variation verbs more at school

Cool, fubar, I was waiting for that. It reminds me of "The Life of Brian" where he was told how to properly write "Romans go home!"

One of my grand, grand, grand fathers, a senator in Rome under Emperor Hadrian said to me once: mundus decipiatur, ergo decipiamus.

Don't twist my words. I did not say it's perfectly acceptable to cheat.

It is clear from my comment that corruption is inherent in sports. Take the Salt lake City Olympics for example. In most cases, backroom deals are done... money, TV rights, lucrative contracts. Only this time, it was very obvious. I mean, it was hard to miss the flashing petro dollars signs :)

No way it is acceptable to cheat, but this wheeling dealing has been going on for long. Not as if Qatar & Spain were the first. But why did FIFA take so long to clean up the mess, and that too they raise a hue and cry only when it serves some ulterior motive.

All of football is rife with corruption, there is so much dirt surrounding the likes of FIFA etc it is untrue. There are also some very dubious goings on with Man U's manager and his son, which in any other sphere of life would have been heavily scrutinised and probably banned.

Sepp Blatter's 1998 election to the presidency of FIFA over UEFA President Lennart Johansson occurred amidst much controversy.[7][8] His 2002 candidacy has been marked with rumours of financial irregularities and backroom dealings,[9] culminating with direct accusations of bribery, by a third party, made in the British press by Farra Ado, vice-president of the Confederation of African Football and president of the Somali Football Federation, who claimed to have been offered $100,000 to vote for Blatter in 1998.[10]

Amidst internal divisions, FIFA's secretary-general Blatter's deputy and former protégé, Michel Zen-Ruffinen drew up a 30-page dossier outlining allegations of financial mismanagement within the organisation.[11][12] The dossier alleged that the collapse of FIFA's marketing partner ISL had led to losses of up to $100m under Blatter's management. The allegations were backed by Johansson,[13] and the dossier was handed to the Swiss authorities, but they cleared Blatter of any wrong doing and FIFA had to pay all the costs.[14] An internal investigation within FIFA was halted by Blatter because members of it broke confidentiality agreements.[15] This questionable behaviour led him to remove Zen-Ruffinen from office immediately before the FIFA World Cup 2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Blatter

sure, thats their right as they would not be getting that much amount anywhere. so wait for to accept more amazing & exploring stories :)

How did Sepp become the FIFA head the first time round? There were so many allegations at the time. How convenient that everyone forgets it

So what posters like Leo and Ice Maiden essentially are saying is that it is perfectly acceptable to cheat and commit illegal acts because other people may or may not be doing it. Show us the evidence that the other bidders cheated, then you may have an argument. Right now, however, the evidence is pointing in one clear, unambiguous direction. To call it jealousy is to say that your are jealous of your neighbor for having a nice car when in fact he stole it from you.

And it is not going to go away. If you don't realize that, then you don't understand Western media and litigious Anglo nature. The real question is what will the consequences be?

Quelle Surprise!!

Dunno, I didn't read them, because people were posting them every 5 minutes. I'm guessing maybe they were turning into country and religion bashing threads?

This bribery accusation leaves poor Sepp Blatter in a difficult position. If he investigates thoroughly and ruthlessly, as he has said he will, he will either find out that corruption exists, and Qatar and others acted corruptly, or he will reveal that there is no corruption in FIFA.

If the former turns out to be true, this will hurt him as he was the head of the organization while it all took place, but surely it will hurt Bin Hammam much more. Not even FIFA would be daft enough to elect a Qatari to the top job if Qatar has just been implicated in a serious bribery scandal. Which would leave Blatter in the top job for another term.

If no corruption is found, Blatter can probably start to pack his bags now.

My unreliable prediction is that some more interesting revelations will emerge before the voting is over.

I agree with your point fubar.

I have a question also, why do QL deletes all threads related to OBL even if it is taken from reliable sources?

What sort of police state do you think this is, if people can't post news reported by CNN on a community forum?

I am wondering why this thread is still active (not deleted)?

well said gal

Come on, as if there is no corruption in sport, as if all bids prior to this were won on merit alone. Pfft...

The only difference here being .....this time a small "insignificant" country called Qatar "played" the "game" better than the so called experts and won the Bid. Move on....

Now is another matter if they can successfully host the Cup or not.

leoqatar even before the announcement of Qatar 2022 there have been allegations of bribery against FIFA officials. Just do a quick search.

Imagine not Qatar won the host of Qatar 2022, what would be the situation. was anybody raise the issue of bribery or under table arrangements.

It is unfair affairs to say that Qatar got the honor to host Qatar 2022 by paying to get the vote.

Qatar 2022 team deserves the prize, and will continue their effort to surprise the world in the organization of the event as they surprise the world when they won.

We have to train ourselves to accept the lose as we celebrate the win, and we have to recognize the role of anyone, even a small nation with big dreams, in order to get the respect we deserve.

It was an equal competition, and who did best got it.

Congratulations Qatar for bringing this pride for the first time to this region.

What's interesting to me is that Sepp Blatter is supposed to face off with Bin Hammam for the FIFA presidency.

I wonder if it's really a coincidence that just weeks before the June 1 election, allegations damaging to the reputation of Qatar have surfaced from the highest levels of FIFA???

Perhaps this is Blatter's roundabout way of getting back at Bin Hammam?

2022 FIFA WC Finals.

Allegations and scandals will arise and then die soon...

Money gabling lol

This isn't going to go away in a hurry:

A London law firm hired by the Qatar bid has strongly denied the allegations, calling them "entirely false". However the Sunday Times's letter said that it had separately spoken to "a whistleblower who had worked with the Qatar bid". That individual is said further to have claimed that Hayatou and his fellow executive committee member from the Ivory Coast, Jacques Anouma, had received $1.5m from Qatar "to secure their votes".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/10/millions-bribes-qatar-2022-world-cup-claims

Surely no-one is surprised by corruption in sport? good grief where have you been since 1950?

Corruption is normal in all societies now, its just that we choose to ignore it, its the way it is.

All politicians seek to take full advantage of these 'opportunities' and in actual fact does it matter?

The daft game will be played at great expense somewhere on the planet so it might as well be here!

Pretty normal.

i dont think anything will happen to Qatar and its 2022 hosting of the world cup, may be any new changes will happen to the new votes and future world cups and the fifa will lose some of its creditability. seriously i think qatar deserve it, it shows to what extend the country willing to go to get it, in addition to their unbelievable plans for it.

in this case they will have to void the entire world.. each and everyone is corrupted, this way or another... they say, "he doesn't accept the bribes.. because no one ever offers"..

legal process will begin soon to declare the winning bids void.

money spent is money spent!

This is hardly one guy's crusade flor1212. This a piece on testimony being given to Parliament not some hack sportswriter. I think this really could turn into something.

maybe maybe not

any way i don't care

one thing i know that prices here in Qatar will be more crazy than in japan, i am planing to leave Qatar in next 2 years

It's all going pear-shaped for the winners. If concrete evidence of bribes gets out, then FIFA will have no choice bet to revoke the awards and reconvene to reconsider the bidding process--after half the committee is fired that is.

What a mess this is turning out to be.

this? start a revolution and oust all FIFA executives! Go to all squares you can occupy and shout or make a vigil or protest actions. Lol!