Woman's Reflection (A Must Read)
AssalamuAlaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu!
Came across this immensely well written and true article which deserves a read from all Muslimah's around the world so that they can Read & Reflect on it!
I think she deserves full marks for a very well presented article.
Woman's Reflection on Leading Prayer: Yasmin Mogahed :
'Given my privilege as a woman, I only degrade Myself by trying to be something I'm not--and in all honesty--don't want to be: a man. As women, we will never reach true liberation until we stop trying to mimic men, and value the beauty in our own God-given distinctiveness.'
On March 18, 2005 Amina Wadud led the first female-led Jumuah (Friday) prayer. On that day women took a huge step towards being more like men. But, did we come closer to actualizing our God given liberation? I Don't think so.
What we so often forget is that God has honored the woman by giving her value in relation to God not in relation to men. But as western feminism erases God from the scene, there are no standard left but men. As a result the western feminist is forced to find her value in relation to a man. And in so doing she has accepted a faulty assumption. She has accepted that man is the standard, and thus a woman can never be a full human being until she becomes just like a man-the standard.
When a man cut his hair short, she wanted to cut her hair short. When a man joined the army, she wanted to join the army. She wanted these things for no other reason than because the 'standard' had it. What she didn't recognize was that God dignifies both men and women in their distinctiveness—not their sameness. And on March 18, Muslim women made the very same mistake.
For 1400 years there has been a consensus of the scholars that men are to lead prayer. As a Muslim woman, why does this matter? The one who leads prayer is not spiritually superior in any way. Something is not better just because a man does it. And leading prayer is not better, just because it's leading. Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn't the Prophet have asked Ayesha or Khadija, or Fatima-the greatest women of all time-to lead?
These women were promised heaven-and yet they never lead prayer.
But now for the first time in 1400 years, we look at a man leading prayer and we think, 'That's not fair.' We think so although God has given no special privilege to the one who leads. The imam is no higher in the eyes of God than the one who prays behind.
On the other hand, only a woman can be a mother. And God has given special privilege to a mother. The Prophet taught us that heaven lies at the feet of mothers. But no matter what a man does he can never be a mother. So why is that not unfair?
When asked who is most deserving of our kind treatment? The Prophet replied 'your mother' three times before saying 'your father' only once.
No matter what a man does he will never be able to have the status of a mother.
And yet even when God honors us with something uniquely feminine, we are too busy trying to find our worth in reference to men, to value it-or even notice. We too have accepted men as the standard; so anything uniquely feminine is, by definition, inferior. Being sensitive is an insult, becoming a mother-a degradation.
In the battle between stoic rationality (considered masculine) and self-less compassion (considered feminine), rationality reigns supreme.
As soon as we accept that everything a man has and does is better, all that follows is just a knee jerk reaction: if men have it-we want it too. If men pray in the front rows, we assume this is better, so we want to pray in the front rows too. If men lead prayer, we assume the imam is closer to God, so we want to lead prayer too. Somewhere along the line we've accepted the notion that having a position of worldly leadership is some indication of one's position with God.
A Muslim woman does not need to degrade herself in this way. She has God as a standard. She has God to give her value; she doesn't need a man to be her standard.
In fact, in our crusade to follow men, we, as women, never even stopped to examine the possibility that what we have is better for us. In some cases we even gave up what was higher only to be like men.
Fifty years ago, society told us that men were superior because they left the home to work in factories. We were mothers. And yet, we were told that it was women's liberation to abandon the raising of another human being in order to work on a machine. We accepted that working in a factory was superior to raising the Foundation of society -just because a man did it.
Then after working, we were expected to be superhuman-the perfect mother, the perfect wife, the perfect homemaker -and have the perfect career. And while there is nothing wrong, by definition, with a woman having a career, we soon came to realize what we had sacrificed by blindly mimicking men. We watched as our children became strangers and soon recognized the privilege we'd given up.
And so only now-given the choice-women in the West are choosing to stay home to raise their children.
According to the United States Department of Agriculture, only 31 percent of mothers with babies, and 18 percent of mothers with two or more children, are working full-time. And of those working mothers, a survey conducted by Parenting Magazine in 2000, found that 93% of them say they would rather be home with their kids, but are compelled to work due to 'financial obligations'. These 'obligations' are imposed on women by the gender sameness of the modern West, and removed from women by the gender distinctiveness of Islam.
It took women in the West almost a century of experimentation to realize a privilege given to Muslim women 1400 years ago.
Given my privilege as a woman, I only degrade myself by trying to be something I'm not--and in all honesty--don't want to be: a man. As women, we will never reach true liberation until we stop trying to mimic men, and value the beauty in our own God-given distinctiveness.
If given a choice between stoic justice and compassion, I choose compassion. And if given a choice between worldly leadership and heaven at my feet - I choose Heaven.
thanks for sharing this artical with ur i totally agree with every word.....
A women working and being successful is not forbidden Islam Our own Prophets(SAW)wife was a buissness women
Do something with ur willingness and heart why do it if a man is doing it....
Life is a mystery..... you never know whats next.....
womens trying to be ameba?(unisexual?)
http://www.answers.com/topic/ameba
and ofcourse women is always superior in their own right!
I love the point the article made about women being superior in their own right! Thats what I've always thought all along ;)
NO Comment.
Well gender makes a lot of difference. can u bore a son as a male, can u get the status of mother, can u feed ur baby from urself? That high status is only given to women, no matter how much men try they would never get that status and respect which is for a mother.
This reminds of something, a wonderful discovery by mankind, which is analogous to what smartypants describes,
I insert a coin, and out comes Mirinda.
I insert another coin and this time Pepsi.
Osman: That's wize
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
i totally agree with brit and osman here.
for me, i think if u take out the preconcieved notions and religious aspects, this was a good read.
again..for me. thats just me.
i particularly loved this part and i quote, "....And yet, we were told that it was women's liberation to abandon the raising of another human being in order to work on a machine. We accepted that working in a factory was superior to raising the Foundation of society -just because a man did it."
and..
"...Then after working, we were expected to be superhuman-the perfect mother, the perfect wife, the perfect homemaker -and have the perfect career. And while there is nothing wrong, by definition, with a woman having a career, we soon came to realize what we had sacrificed by blindly mimicking men..."
again, guys don't be mad..i know the majority don't like this thread. this is just me voicing out my opinon.
personally, this post moved me in a way that i cant be the supermom, hottiewife, and breadwinner and not lose my mind or crash&burn my health at the same time (calm down, i didnt say its impossible). now im thinking i should JUST be a housewife someday. i said just because i wantED to accomplish many things in my life, now im beginning to realize how important my role is as a good future mother and homemaker. before i thought, why should my (to be)husband be the only one making money? i should too-- have the power, be independent. now i think otherwise. again, this is just my pov. in the end, let me just say im glad i have read this.
I should ask my muslim female rriends to read this. Thanks for posting...
You can always get those strap-on thingies now..In all sizes and colours apparently..
I agree with u Alexa, will TRY to be more accommodating to that "kind" of people in Future!!!! :-)
well why do u think referring to them as that "kind" is an insult in any sense? they are unique in their own right, their "kind" is just to refer to them since they are different "kind" and only know to insult, disrespect others and their beliefs, anybody who does not approve of their logic/understanding/beliefs is disrespected and looked down upon and even mocked at, they do not fail to reply(read insult) in any thread related to Islam on this site when this country Qatar is an Islamic State.
Why wouldn't someone mention Qur'an or Hadeeth to share and improve knowledge of muslims around? Do they need to come up with insults/disrespect to others in every post which has a reference to Islam. Isn't a simple ignore, specially when it is in religious section?
lolz nice one supernurse...exactly....
smartbuddy....nothing about me is cheap smartypants and if you can't take the heat get out of the Godamn kitchen...
I respect you and my points of criticism were not for u or others who know how to respect and thus get respected.
Its for the "kind" of supernurse and gypsy who love to insult other beliefs and expect others to respect them, who try and impose their cheap ideolgy on others. Its a simple thing give Respect and be respected which some people fail to understand.
Its about choice but I appreciate people like Britexpat and others for respecting beliefs of others instead of the regular Islam bashing.
Lol Edifis, i guess you are talking about a comedy movie ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
You don't believe me? Watch the Arnold Schwarzzzgn...gngn movie. I don't know the name. He reallyy was pregnant.
I want a willy....why can't I have one because men do! *sob* *sob*.....oh yes, even us western women have thought of that one tee hee.......how rude we are!!
hahaha yes supernurse...usually when i ask myself something i have to come post the question on some thread or another...
and who said men can't get pregnant??? i'm a man and i'm pregnant...actually i'm so pregnant that i'm pregnant with a man who he himself is also pregnant! please stick to facts only people!
Gypsy: hmmmm, where do i aprove this post? :P
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Why did she say men cannot become pregnant, I actually saw a film, in which the muscle man becomes pregnant.
why?
it has been scientifically proven that a woman's brain is three times smaller than a man's. it has also been scientifically proven that women can not learn math and that their teeth are made of leather.
there...a stupid comment for a stupid thread.
any woman wasting her time and energy arguing on a thread like this should really ask herself why.
As I mentioned before....if there was no mention of how awful western women were according to this pious fool then would not have been the backlash....mark my words!
I must say I enjoy how all the men seem to be approving of this post and all the women are saying its a load of bollocks.
I disagree with this women's opinion on working women. I have three children and a rocking successful career. I have never employed a nanny in my life. I can fit my work in around my children. I'm fortunate that way.. I have plenty of quality time with my children
Women, shatter those glass ceilings! We CAN do it all and I, for one, want to.
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Swissmade:
"I read recently an extract of your holly book saying that, if a husband is angry with his wife, she will not be welcome in Heaven until the husband forgives, which does not happen the other way around, so, how do you defend that in your religion "God has honored the woman by giving her value in relation to God not in relation to men", when it is up to a man that she enters paradise???"
That's an attack to Islam, he wont answer you, ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Ahlan-Wa-Sahlan,
Welcome to Qatar, I hope you have a pleasant stay.
My friend i would like to inform you that your message has been posted in the wrong section of the Forum.
Could you kindly post your queiry in the Question Section of Qatar Living. I am sure someone with the right knowledge will be helpful and kind enough to guide you. If i do come across any info i shall inform you in your private message inbox.
Good Luck and have a nice weekend.
Also your message made me laugh.. thanks anyway
IMI - The Screen Behind The Mirror
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."
"The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend."
Hi there.. I agree with you.. I too I am begining to feel and accept that Religion should be kept in private. Better to share knowledge only to those who are interested.. then the dis-interested.
Its weekend, and it really upsets to see some of them are waiting to attack with what ever may come by..
Enough guys just Enough.. Enough of Religion, Culture bad mouthing and please think with the Human prespective.. Life is short.. Make the best of it by spreading happiness, Love and Compassion for one another..
If someone wants to post of religion let them do so. If you disagree either ignore or say in a nice manner.. then attack.. But the best is to ignore if you really disagree coz i dont think anyone here can really change the said..!!
Have a Wonderful Weekend, Drive Safe, Spread Hapiness, Make Children Happy and Respect Adults.. and last but not least.. Rest Well another Hetic week coming up !!
IMI - The Screen Behind The Mirror
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."
"The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend."
hi every body i am a new member here
i just need information about vodafone company in qatar
thier website and number and their location here..
Thanks
I agree with Smartbuddy, it is an immensely well written and to a certain extent, wise article, but I have a question:
I recently read an extract of your holly book saying that, if a husband is angry with his wife, she will not be welcome in Heaven until he forgives her, and this does not happen the other way around, so my question is: how can you say that in your religion "God has honored the woman by giving her value in relation to God not in relation to men", when it is up to a man that his wife enters paradise? And by the way, this is not a question to attack you, I really would like to understand. Thank you.
I agree with Smartbuddy, that it is an immensely well written and to a certain extent a very wise article, but I have a question for him:
I read recently an extract of your holly book saying that, if a husband is angry with his wife, she will not be welcome in Heaven until the husband forgives, which does not happen the other way around, so, how do you defend that in your religion "God has honored the woman by giving her value in relation to God not in relation to men", when it is up to a man that she enters paradise???
And it is not a question to attack you at all, I really would like to understand... thank you.
Different opinion = hate ????
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
wow, you people are full of hate... there really isnt need for this. anyone who comes in here and goes thru a few threads can lose faith in the whole of humanity!! it just NOT NECESSARY.
IMI is right, what the hell is wrong will simply ignoring a thread if you have nothing good to say about it?? and in future, maybe all religious threads that would possibly cause some Islam bashing should be kept to the religion category and then make it known that it is for all to read and comment but not to bash because it is highly offensive to MOST Muslims...
why all the hate??? its sickening, makes me ashamed to be part of this human race. makes me afraid to bring children into this world.
"And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course" -Khalil Gibran
"I really dont care what you NON-MUSLIMS think about Islam coz its not your fault. Its not your fault because you were born and brought up in the culture & religion that your parents were in. Now that does not mean, other Religion or Culture are wrong. Allah knows best that each and everyone of you will face the Almighty at the time of your death and you will sort out your own good & bad deeds of life. Why to bad mouth, speak ill and cause haterate among one another. Is this the best past time of bored people in Qatar. I have would once again urge the Moderator of this site, to kindly close the Topic once it reaches a point where sentiments are being hurt leading to aggressive comments. Yes... Qatar Living is a Open website not bound by Race, Culture, Religion etc.. then why come up with heated biased comments on issues. This is not the first time, it is happening repeatedly. Islam is the Worlds fastest growing religion, and due to a few hypocrates today Islam is given another meaning."
Imi: So, it's ok to make propagand to one religion but the others aren't allowed to say what they think about it.
This is another reason why i keep saying that religion is something private of each other.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Women who seek to be equal with men, lack ambition :)
"And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course" -Khalil Gibran
It took me about an hour just to read eveything, Okie i have a few of my own views - and before i begin I dont mean to offend anyone here.
Firstly the Topic was really interesting and worth reading and understanding. Smartbuddy thankyou very much for that.
Now posting a topic does not mean people of other religions need to come and give their views or points on what Islam is all about. I am SICK and TIRED on seeing and reading about ISLAM being bashed all the time.
I really dont care what you NON-MUSLIMS think about Islam coz its not your fault. Its not your fault because you were born and brought up in the culture & religion that your parents were in. Now that does not mean, other Religion or Culture are wrong. Allah knows best that each and everyone of you will face the Almighty at the time of your death and you will sort out your own good & bad deeds of life. Why to bad mouth, speak ill and cause haterate among one another. Is this the best past time of bored people in Qatar. I have would once again urge the Moderator of this site, to kindly close the Topic once it reaches a point where sentiments are being hurt leading to aggressive comments. Yes... Qatar Living is a Open website not bound by Race, Culture, Religion etc.. then why come up with heated biased comments on issues. This is not the first time, it is happening repeatedly. Islam is the Worlds fastest growing religion, and due to a few hypocrates today Islam is given another meaning.
Anyway my appeal to all, if you dont like something i will suggest you 2 choices 1. Either Ignore the entire subject, 2. Come out suggestions that dont hurt anyone.
I know there are lots of knowledgable people on QL. There were so many things i learnt here about My Religion Islam, Locations of places, Tips on how to Laught and lots of knowledge which has helped me in so many instances of my life.
Anyway to cut the topic short, Guys dont fight, dont argue.. coz by doing this you will only bad mouth one another, have haterate for one another and trust me you will gain nothing good.
Gain Knowledge when ever you can, use it where ever you can, Life is short, Live Happily and Make a mark and stand of respect when you are gone..
Coz very rarely life gives you second chance.. and by the time you realise its just too late..
IMI - The Screen Behind The Mirror
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."
"The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend."
I think that both Brit and Alexa have a point, it's hard to be "a earner, mother, homemaker etc.." but "it is all about CHOICE...what a woman wants to do should be HER CHOICE, without being criticized for it."
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Just read and reread the posting.
If you take away the preconceived notions, and religious aspects, its basically talking about the rise and fall of feminism..This is exactly what is happening in many societies at the moment..
Women are realising that it is not easy or practicable to be a earner, mother, homemaker etc..
Or am I being too simplistic?? I refer to the following in the article
" In fact, in our crusade to follow men, we, as women, never even stopped to examine the possibility that what we have is better for us. In some cases we even gave up what was higher only to be like men.
Fifty years ago, society told us that men were superior because they left the home to work in factories. We were mothers. And yet, we were told that it was women's liberation to abandon the raising of another human being in order to work on a machine. We accepted that working in a factory was superior to raising the Foundation of society -just because a man did it.
Then after working, we were expected to be superhuman-the perfect mother, the perfect wife, the perfect homemaker -and have the perfect career. And while there is nothing wrong, by definition, with a woman having a career, we soon came to realize what we had sacrificed by blindly mimicking men. We watched as our children became strangers and soon recognized the privilege we'd given up"
platao ; you are right..none of the religion asks its folllowers to convert and bring people in. The mad heads obsessed does it which is against the religion they follow.
Whatver said and done//end results are dissapointing.. religion have done nothing good to mankind .. it has seperated people..made them fight..killed many..made many innocent ones orphans. Do we still need it ??
SN: Like i stated previouslly, this is propaganda similar to the girl that studies at an university and goes to a meeting of supporters of a movement that defends that women shouldn't be allowed to go to school or even work out of their house, or like some folks say War looking for peace, is like fornication looking for virginity."
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
she reverted to Islam just to corrupt. What a shame that we muslims need to be like her Islamic feminist?
Imam Muslim narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that,
“The best rows for the men are the front ones and the least good are the ones toward the back; and the best rows for the women are the ones towards the back and the least good are the ones towards the front.”
smartbuddy - what exactly do you think should be moderated?
Someone posted something preseumably with the intent that people should read and comment on it (why else would they have posted it on a forum?). No problem there.
So then some people said they didn't agree with what was said in the posting, which they're perfectly entitled to do. No problem there.
Then a kind of argument started about why the above two things happened. Not particularly nice, but still no problem.
So I don't really see what you want moderated.
I think the comments were exacerbated by the fact that this fool of a woman crticised the 'western' woman and made them out to be nothing but sluts.....
Arien: "But all religions are spoilt by its followers .. "
Fully agree with you, religion is something private, anyone trying to impose their religion to another is going against that same religion that they say to be the correct one. Some days ago, i saw a program about Mohammed Ali at the History channel where he stated that any religion beliver that does Good will always go to paradise, he was born christian but converted to Islam, and this declaration was made by him when he was already a muslim.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Nice too.. I ddnt bash Islam..anywhere. I give all respect to all the religion.But all religions are spoilt by its followers .. So i am not in to any of them.
I am born in one,but not by choice, how about you?
Those take it to their head and becomes obsessed to it are the ones ruining it.
You guys are dragging it to the public and showering it with hatred.
Its about choice, agreed, so why criticize women who preserve womenhood, who chose to live the way they want like pious muslimah's.....u want to be half naked so be it, u want to be "used" so be it, u want to have live in relationships so be it why criticize who don't want to be like u?
why do u want to interfere in the life of muslims, if u don't like it, move on, specially females like kind of gypsy, don't try to impose ur kinda life on others.........
respect others and their beliefs, if u can't then atleast don't try to show ur disrespect on the forums.
Nobody forced u to accept the Islamic beliefs, so why do u want to force ur beliefs on others??
I am surprised that there is absolutely no moderation on QL forums.
Since it is a "Must Read", I read it. It's crap!
It's also about doing something because you WANT to. Maybe this woman's dream was to read out the call to prayer, not really surprising given how important religion is to Muslims, being able to do that has probably been a dream of her's since she was a litte girl, there's no reason why she shouldn't be able to achieve it.
Realsome/Gypsy: May i be Tweety or Bugs bunny? ;)
"I think i saw a pussycat! Yes, I did, i did saw a pussycat!"
"Hello, what's up Doc?"
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Realsome: Great, i was getting worried ;) I'm sure that gypsy doesn't intend to make personnal attacks to you, probably she also gets carried away on certain subjects but doesn't mean she doesn't respect you.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
oK Deal. you are Tom.
NicetooNice, very good explanation.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
You're more then welcome to be Jerry (Is that the mouse?).
I am always with the winning role, What is your role? Tom or Jerry?
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Arien/Plato I never said that Only Islam teaches that,["His life is based on religion. Religion teaches a muslim how to talk to children, elder one, how to deal with problems, how to manage your financial dealings, how to eat, how to sleep, how to clean yourself etc.... "] but I said that Islam is everywhere when its about the life of a mulsim. So he can not speak without reference to islam. If you don't like don't accept it. Thats all. You have the right to reject... But don't BASH islam.. Thats not right. No one forced you to convert or follow the things taught by islam...
Another thing, Islam never asked a lady not to study or not to work. But it provided some guide lines.. It is applicable not only for muslim women but to men also.
ROFL! Well at least we know what our roles are! ;)
of course, that is why you and me are and will be tom/jerry in this forum.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Then I will continue to post my opinions and there's absolutely nothing you can do about that.
I will be posting in this forum as long as i am a member for any topic that i find maybe useful for the fellow QL members and specially the Muslim members.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Realsomeone I only post on the one's that I have an opinion about, ie Marriage and things about women. If I seem to be trying to "ruin" all of your posts, perhaps you should stop posting about those two things.
Platao dont worry buddy i am totally calm really and i dont take seriously on most things on forums but i was just reacting to what seems to be an strategy adopted by Gypsy to spoil every topic that relates to Islam/Muslims.
for Charan he just seems to me that he is trying to score some points i dont know where he will Get that, and by trying to do that he is also trying to drag my private life into forum which i dont appreciate but i think i made my point clear for him. and i respect him as long as he respects me.
thanks anyway for advise, I may seem sometimes to over react but i totally accept disagreements and opinions of everyone.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
SB/Gypsy/someonenew: This post made me remember an interview i saw of a girl that was in university at India and defended the Taliban, the same ones that forbid women from studying.
Like people here know i'm converting to Islam and one of the things that i and my girlfriend agreeded was that we would both work to help sustaining ourselfs, women should be allowed to have their own independence and they need money to do it.
Realsomeone: Please calm down buddy, getting annoyed will only hurt yourself, it's normal for people to have different opinions, if you feal that people are saying things to attack you, just don't give them importance.
Smoke: Here, at Portugal, there are licenses of 4 months for men to stay at home dealing with the baby, whomen have a similar licence, because life is expensive, man/woman need to work, and the children are taken care by grandparents.
Nice to Nice: You belive only Islam teaches that? Are you sure?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
For a brief time there was a Female God who was worshiped again this was to make the transition from the old pagan beliefs to Christianity easier on the people and all but few reported documentations exist of her.
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
Any higher being would more then likely be sexless Supernurse.
Supernurse according to Islam, God has no attributes of his creations, and male and female are attributes of his creation.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Is God female?......
and too a point it is very true....Most (note: I said most not all) people who follow religion and strictly adhere too it become blinded to everything else..The trouble with religion it only teaches religion according to it's belief and no of the history of the religion..Why? because if people actually knew the very beginnings of a religion they would probably not follow that religion blindly. an example of this can be found in Christianity. If you asked most christians why they celebrate the birth of Jesus on the 25th of December they will tell you because that is what is written in the bible...the truth is there is no exact date given in the bible for Jesus birth only reference is that it took place some time during a point when the funds were low in the royal pockets so they called upon all farmers nad merchants too come and pay extra taxes to fill them up again. The date of the 25th of December was actually set by The Emperor Constantine when he decided to switch Rome from a predominantly pagan state to a christian state at the advise of the senate to do what was best for the roman empire. the reason for the date was they already celebrated the Mid winter Solstice on this date so it would be easier for the masses to remember. The same is for Easter this is held on the dates that used to be known as the Harvest feast and is calculated by the cycle of the moon.
What does this have too do with this topic...It would appear that there are people on this site that are so blinded by their religion that that is all they see they know non of what their religion is truly about and only know what they are taught then criticies those that have looked beyond just the religion to understand the history behind it..I know this is true of Gypsy as it is of many others, those practicing the religion and those that don't...
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
Nice too nice. As if non muslims knows nothing of all those you mentioned ???.. Every religion teaches all these, you may not hear them, because they dont sing it along..
Go ahead guys .. keep posting and listen to the views of others too..cheers
mmmm the teachings are quite enlightening to my infidel mind!
Arien ... You read a crap. For a muslim religion is every where. His life is based on religion. Religion teaches a muslim how to talk to children, elder one, how to deal with problems, how to manage your financial dealings, how to eat, how to sleep, how to clean yourself etc.... It is everything for a muslim. Even it teaches how to have your personal dealing with wife... So a muslim will always talk/write something which taught by religion. Muslim doesn't want to make any one to convert but to inform the teachings to non-muslim is his one of the task given to him by Almighty..
Smartbuddy- Jazak Allah for posting the nice article.
Again to all the QLer's making their comments, Again the day we try to respect one opinion , either you like or hate it the more fruitful the discussions will become.
But as so many times as it happenned on such topic the bashing starts before even try to understand what is been said and why.
Again degrading others does not make one superior.
So Peace & Respect to all Humans no matter what their view or beliefs are. You are human before you are anything else.
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HE WHO DARES WINS
Good point SmartNurse!
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
Realsom.. Thanks for that info that this is Qatar.A post on a public forum will be read by any who peek in and they will comment.. keep posting and get bashed.. good luck
There are certain things you cant control when its a public forum.. people have diffrent views..
Religion is something which we all repect and bielieve in.. Dont be the reason for making public abuse it.
Words of wizdom from the Bootilicious Kat!
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
afterall, realsomeone IT did say in the title 'MUST READ'.....so we did!
Seriously you people always put too much effort into giving a damn about other people. How they live, how they practice their faith, their rights and what not. at the end of the day who really cares? this woman thinks she's better than man, 1400 yrs ago they were told to sit at home and make babies, so then thats what MUSLIM women should do, may be she's just fit to sit at home and make babies.
Now thats just her freaking view of life, but the rest of you who agree with her, wake up and look around, most of you MEN who are here i'm sure have ur wife's working, keeping your children with baby sitters why? tell your wife to sit at home and look after them. Why come here and point fingers at others? Do it to make yourself happy, if each one worries about what they want and what makes them happy we'd all be happy.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
_[]~SMoKE~[]_
Well Well, i have been hearing arguments like this from you lots of times. I am just tired of your crap. I AM OFF YOUR WAY. go ahead and spoil every good thread. bye for now.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Realsomeone there's nothing in the guidelines about not disagreeing with a post. Again, if you don't want to hear disagreement don't post it! Muslim members may have a right to read the stuff you post, but I and other non-Muslims have a right to read it and give our opinion on it.
Oh, and BTW, posting stuff like this is a form of preaching.
SomeoneNEW ...............
I cant see my Frnds fighting, arguing, bashing each other ova here ....:(
Ye sub dekhne se pehle me Andha kiyo nahi ho gaya ..:(
English Version for the above: After seeing all this, Why i did not become Blind ...:)
u guys just beat me to it.
And, wise bint.....how, then, would you describe a nun? mmmmmm they are found in western parts and they give themselves completely to God!!
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Rizks I dont think its u who should hang himself(unless u were thinkin of another way to suicide;))
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
Arien i have not been preaching here i have been posting things which maybe interest to members specially muslims and by the way, this is Qatarliving this country is called Qatar and its Muslim majority country, muslim members on this site has the right to read things that are interest to them.
what is more abusing from you guys is, there are guidelines for this site, things that arent your interest IGNORE, there is topics which i dont find interesting i dont talk about that, but some of you like gypsy just choose to start argument about any topic that relates to Muslims or ISlam.
Kiwis thanks for point out that.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
What a load of pap......if she's happy being a doormat in the name of God that makes her quite pathetic...
Pajju ....:(
I would like to add my comments on this. As mentioned yesterday. If you are not religious and dont have any strong belief in any religion all what is written her is completely alienating.
Again we are comaparing our own values with the valaues of other. The fundmaental of these kind of articles/posts is that you have to be a believer of something to understand what is being said. The opinion expressed her are of one indiviaul and the way she feels and understands.
Coming back to caption of my reply. Definately "Heavens does ly's at the feet of your mother" for all she has to do for one she bears. Do you think she will not be rewarded for actions. Men can never attain that position no matter what they do..
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HE WHO DARES WINS
Why is it so difficult for you guys to comprehend that other people have opinions/views which may not be the same as u guys?
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
lol NFS am waitin for that :)
Actaully kiwis I've had lots of insight into life as a Muslimah, so frankly I believe it's you who sound like a complete idiot.
Nope realsom..
This is just another where the religion comes to debate..bash, abuse.. which should nt be there I guess. Its all personal believe and concern of each one of us..
Have you seen the |Hindsuism or christianity being bashed ever on this site??.. why is that??
They dont preach it here.. simple.. that doesnt mean they dont practice it like you too.
lol NFH ................
Ok i will suicide in tat corner were no one will see me ....:)
Gypsy, I have to say that you sound like a complete idiot. Women are revered in the Muslim culture (and in other cultures as well) in a way that we as Western women are not. You only have a limited insight into their culture, the same as I do and I dont feel we should look at them as oppressed in any way just because as a Western woman that is how we would feel.
I actually think the article made some interesting points. Who does want to be like a guy anyway - we are superior in so many ways!
Notfromhere, Sorry, I apologize that was unfair and a generlization, I know lots of successful Muslim women. I was just typing faster then I was thinking. Thanks for pointing that out. :)
Arien I agree completely with your statement. This is not an Islamic site, it's a multi-cultural forum with people of all different religions, views and backgrounds. If you post a topic you are doing so, or should be doing so, with the idea that you will get many different opinions and reactions. Realsomeone and Smartbuddy know full well that not everyone is going to agree with their posts, yet they post them anyway, and then call any difference of opinion Islam-bashing. Frankly, they are the ones doing Islam a disservice by posting this stuff so it can be disagreed with. If they don't want Islam disagreed with, they shouldn't post these things.
Rizks, haven't you read the Community Guidelines? Suicides not permitted. You commit suicide, you get banned :-D
realsomeone arien dint blame anyone here i dunt thin so here anti islam members here
PEACE OUT PLEASE....AND CHAT POLIETY ....AND BE FREINDS :)
change the title to Must read for Muslims.. to avoid people like Gypsy!
PEace FriendZ !!!!!
Stop Fighting, Arguing ORELSE i Will Suicide here in QL ....:(
Everyone has a view point!
Arien what you talking about in regards to me?? my statement to charan or something else?
and by the way, i dont agree with your statement about religion being like wife.
and please dont blame us for anti-islam members on this site, its the nature they choose its not something we planted on them, ever since i was member of this site, there were people bashing Islam with false statements.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Not fair Gypsy:
"which seems to be the only job Muslim men will allow them to have"
There are lots of working women with Muslim husbands. No doubt you even know some personally.
LOL "my kind"
SB, I could care less about points. Why don't you admit what's really bothering you, you can't stand a woman with an opinion, hence why you post things like this. Sorry bud, but I'm not going to put myself back into the jewellry box.
Realsomeone .. you know why is this happening??..
You guys try publicising everything wht you have on the religion..wht are you guys up to??..trying to convince and convert the whole epxats here??...
Oneway you guys are the reason making people bash Islam by bringing in all these every now and then on the forum.
I have read somewhere.. Religion is like wife, which should be dealt with in your bedroom. you are trying it in the public and what else do you expect??
Collecting QL Points is not like collecting QMILES that may fetch u an upgrade or free ticket....
I repeat u do not need to CRAP every thread for getting some points, some threads are NOT for UR kind.
your jewel line is classic ;)
You can't post stuff on a public forum and then moan about people commenting on it!!!
Yup hurricane
1st sentence how to be a woman - Don't expect or want anything other then to be a mother.
"If given a choice between stoic justice and compassion, I choose compassion. And if given a choice between worldly leadership and heaven at my feet - I choose Heaven"
1st sentence simplfy how to be a women
2nd sentence tell you how great it is to be a mother.
great post smartbuddy!
Hmm, funny how I've been to dozens of women's events in this region and none of the Muslimahs express this feeling of being a "jewel" or "pearl" and instead talk about their supression by men.
I guess that's all part of being a jewel and pearl though, you know, locked away in a jewelry box and never able to see the light of day.
Charan that is really inappropriate in this forum. i would like you to respect me so i can respect you too.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Its for Women and more importantly for Pious Muslim women. You may not want to understand how a woman is treated as a jewel, a pearl well protected in the Islamic society, what u feel is suppression is actually their liberation but i know u will not understand it because u would enjoy being "used" by men, instead of being "cared". Sorry if that hurts.
If u do not like it move on, u do not need to crap every thread, its not compulsory to post a reply in every thread here on QL, specially something which is completely irrelevant to ur kind!
I know you didn't post this one, but my stance is still the same, if you don't want non-Muslims commenting on this stuff DON'T POST IT.
But it's been posted and I'll give my opinion. Frankly I find it insulting towards both Western women and Muslimahs who see themselves as more then just mothers (which seems to be the only job Muslim men will allow them to have). And this tactic, of using a woman to give her "opinion", an opinion which simply supports the status quo and comes from her feelings of inferiority and submission regarding men. In fact I'm sure she got this whole thing from her father, husband or brother and it's in no way her own thoughts.
As I said, she deserves a kick in the head.
Yes but it doesnt say which deserves a read from ONLY Muslimah's around the world
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
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ITs No Ones Problem , Its My Problem i m here ...:(
someonenew this is what the poster says "Came across this immensely well written and true article which deserves a read from all Muslimah's around the world so that they can Read & Reflect on it!"
Gypsy i havent posted this one, but you just seem to be trying to earn QL points with something that have nothing to do with you.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
If you don't want my comments realsomeone don't post this stuff on QL. Like it or not QL is not a muslim site, if you want Muslim opinions post it on Islam online.
Its just one woman's perspective... I dont agree with it. She just sounds like she's justifying a lot of the stupidity Muslim men subject their wives to.
Realsomeone, this is a public forum, the person posted has not mentioned that its only for muslim women to post so what exactly is ur problem?
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
What is bothering you here? this is a Muslim women's issue not yours, i will like to see what Muslim women have to say about this on QL but not you because your comments are irrelevant.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Read and reflect on what? How other women are keeping her down?
good read, thanks for posting. its good for Muslim women to read and reflect.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
This woman needs a kick in the head.
End of the day, its personal preference/choice. What an individual wants to be in his/her life. Also I find the basic premiss of this essay, ("western feminist is forced to find her value in relation to a man. And in so doing she has accepted a faulty assumption. She has accepted that man is the standard, and thus a woman can never be a full human being until she becomes just like a man-the standard" ) a bit far fetched or even presumptous from what little I know about western women.
Lots of women work coz
1.a single income cant sustain a good lifestyle
2. They like the work they do and identify with it and not necessary coz its 'manly'. Believe me some of those 'dames' have got it in em to be successful in fields that would be considered typically male from a stereotyped viewpoint.
Also if leading a prayer is not such a big deal( as indicated in the essay), then there shouldnt really be a fuss about whether its a man or a woman, right?
But the essay does make some good points in men and women being unique in their own ways.
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“Live life so completely that when death comes to you like a thief in the night, there will be nothing left for him to steal.”