What will you do if you were born a Palestini
What will you do if you were born a Palestinian?
By Abu al-Sous (Salah Mansour)*
A view of al-Faluja (Gaza) soon after its occupation in March 1949, and in the background its school clearly can be seen. Currently, Palestinian refugees in Gaza are the ones who often rocket their usurped homes in southern Israel. After doing lots of research on the internet, I was shocked to find that the most candid answer to this question comes from Israelis; most importantly from Israeli leaders who gained political notoriety as a result of crushing Palestinians. This question started to interest me several years ago when I read a eulogy written by Moshe Dayan (a former Israeli Defense Minister) to his Israeli friend who was killed by a Palestinian from the Gaza Strip in 1955:
". . . Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.
We should demand his blood not from the [Palestinian] Arabs of Gaza but from ourselves. . . . Let us make our reckoning today. We are a generation of settlers, and without the steel helmet and gun barrel, we shall not be able to plant a tree or build a house. . . . Let us not be afraid to see the hatred that accompanies and consumes the lives of hundreds of thousands of [Palestinian] Arabs who sit all around us and wait for the moment when their hands will be able to reach our blood." (Iron Wall, p. 101)
Similarly, Ehud Barak (the current Israeli Defense Minister) was asked this question, and his reply was:
"If I were a Palestinian of the right age, I'd eventually join one of the terrorist organizations." (interviewed by Ha'aretz's Gideon Levy in March 1998)
Here in America, we're a brought up to believe in our sacred right to bare arms because the right of self-defense is enshrined in our American constitution. As an American, I have the right to defend my home and family here in Chicago by all possible means, even if my defense results in the death or injury of the assailant. However, as a Palestinian defending my home and family in Palestine, that makes me automatically the "terrorist" in the eyes of many in the Western world. It should be noted that when Palestinians rocket Israeli towns, they are rocketing their own homes and farms which have been usurped by Jews who recently escaped European anti-Semitism and pogroms, here are the names of a few of the usurped Palestinian towns which are located in what is now southern Israel: al-Majdal Asqalan, Faluja, Yibna, Huj & Najd.
The more I research Israeli history, the more I discover that Israelis have a hidden empathy to what Palestinians have experienced for the past 60 years. In my opinion, this is a proof that this conflict isn't only a colonial conflict over lands, but most importantly it's a conflict about the national identity which is connected to the land. Deep at heart, every Israeli Jew suspects that the Zionist narrative to be farce. However, because Israel was created by usurping Palestinian rights, Israelis and most Jews find it necessary to deny Palestinians of their national rights and identity. This Israeli insecurity (or paranoia) increases whenever Palestinians assert their national identity (i.e. resistance to colonialism, demanding the right of return, ..etc) because it reaffirms that this is a conflict that will transcend generations.
Our DATE is 60 years LATE, God willing sooner or later we shall return.
* Salah Mansour is the founder and editor of PalestineRemembered.com, the largest Palestinian online community.
wasn't this war started very,very long time ago with these two men? The only difference I see today, is that, david (the small boy) is no longer holding a sling shot here, but missiles, tanks & bombs.
VB/Brit: Yes i agree with both of you, only with peace things can improve.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
ME war must have been over 60 years back...look out for a peaceful solution now my friend....
WAR is NOT AT ALL a way to achieve peace.
Sad to say that your solution is not viable in the near future and so thousands more will die in the process...
Let's remember them in our prayers.
oh that explains why they had squash that 'dead' baby'.
lol www.sit.com..simply 'genius'
It is indeed sad to see the suffering of the civilians in Gaza, mainly children. Also, it is surprising to note the silence of the Arab nations. It is in fact, quite deafening. I'm not here to point fingers or to exonerate Hamas from its wrongdoings, but the fact remains that many many civilians were killed by indiscriminate Israeli bombardments. It tears my heart to pieces to see so many children being killed. What have these toddlers done to Israel other than being born to Palestinian parents? Isn't there anything that the powerful nations can do to stop this bloodshed? can Israel operate against the will of the whole civilised world? or is it that the powerful nations are hand in glove with them?
Through its actions, Israel is pushing more and more people towards Hamas.
Oh God, where art thou?
The very first thing I will do, once I start to understand reason and logic, is too ask my Parents, why are you so violent? You are worst than the Jews, The Syrians, The Hezbollah and those crazy maniacs Iranians. Don't allowed them in our country. Kick them out.
Can't you talk about signing a Peace treaty?
Recognizing each others current borders, establishing trade and commerce.
Accepting what you got in hand and making Palestine a place of peace were I could play outside and able to growth as a human being and decent citizen of Palestine? Not some war monster, like the rest of the people who hate the Jews using you Mom and Dad.
Mom and Dad, I love you, but you have to change your ways too...
IAF strikes some 60 Hamas targets in Gaza overnight raids
By YAAKOV KATZ, JPOST.COM STAFF AND AP
The IAF attacked some sixty targets in the Gaza Strip overnight Tuesday, Israel Radio reported. The targets included 30 terrorists smuggling tunnels, weapons storage facilities and rocket launch squads.
IDF troops push deeper into Gaza City
Israel Radio reported that the IDF was turning up the heat on Hamas Wednesday morning, with ground forces progressing slowly to prevent civilian casualties.
According to Palestinian reports, one of the targets hit over night was the old Gaza city hall, which has been used as a court building in recent years
The 1910 structure was destroyed and many stores in the market around it were badly damaged, they said.
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The Jerusalem Post could not confirm the report.
On Tuesday, the IDF pushed deeper into Gaza City and launched pinpoint raids in the southern Strip as Defense Minister Ehud Barak announced that his top aide would head to Cairo to try to secure a cease-fire that could end Operation Cast Lead.
IDF reservists enter the Gaza Strip, Monday.
Photo: IDF Spokesperson's Office
Defense officials told The Jerusalem Post that Egypt had made progress in its talks with Hamas and that the head of the Defense Ministry's Diplomatic-Security Bureau, Amos Gilad, would head to Cairo on Thursday to evaluate the cease-fire proposal and present Israel's conditions.
The officials said Jerusalem was hoping to secure a guarantee from the Egyptians that they would invest resources and efforts in stopping the weapons smuggling from Sinai into the Gaza Strip under the Philadelphi Corridor.
One Israeli proposal, supported by the IDF, calls for the erection of a barrier surrounding the Egyptian side of Rafah, to be manned by Egyptian soldiers who will not allow weapons smugglers into the town. Israel has proposed a barrier consisting of two fences surrounding the Philadelphi Corridor and encompassing Egyptian Rafah, which would be accessible by a single road controlled by the military.
The idea was suggested several years ago by then-National Security Council head Giora Eiland.
"If the Egyptians provide us with guarantees that the smuggling will stop, the operation could be over by the end of the week," a top defense official told the Post. "It is all up to the Egyptians right now."
Gilad will hold talks on Thursday with Egyptian Intelligence Minister Omar Suleiman, and one of the issues will be an Egyptian request to increase the number of soldiers it has deployed along the border from 750 to several thousand. Gilad has expressed fierce opposition to the request, but other defense officials in Israel said Tuesday that the request to relax the troop limits set by the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty needed to be considered.
"It is unclear why Amos Gilad is so adamantly against allowing Egypt to increase its force along Philadelphi," one official said. "If this is what the Egyptians want, then why not just give it to them?"
While diplomatic activity picked up speed on Tuesday, the IDF continued to push deeper into Gaza City as reservist units took over responsibility for several areas in the Strip. At least 50 Hamas gunmen were killed since Monday evening.
Rocket fire also dwindled, with some 15 rockets and mortar shells striking Israel - the lowest since Operation Cast Lead was launched on December 27 - by Tuesday evening.
"The operation is continuing on its 18th day with the aim of restoring quiet for southerners and curbing weapons smuggling," Barak said Tuesday. "We are working on both these goals, with an eye on diplomatic initiatives."
Lt. Aharon Karov from the Battalion 890 of the Paratroopers Brigade was critically wounded by an explosion inside a booby-trapped home in northern Gaza during a early-morning operation. Two other soldiers sustained light wounds, and by evening, the officer's condition had slightly improved following an intensive and complicated operation.
Karov, a resident of Karnei Shomron, was called up to join the fighting in Gaza a day after his wedding, less than two weeks ago.
Meanwhile, the IDF commenced heavy shelling of targets on Gaza City's outskirts early Tuesday, as soldiers continued to push deeper into the urban center. Ground troops battled Palestinian gunmen in a densely populated Gaza City neighborhood.
Military sources said the objective of Operation Cast Lead - weakening Hamas and restoring Israel's deterrence - had not yet been accomplished, and that the army would continue its push into Gaza City to hunt down Hamas operatives and infrastructure.
The purpose of deepening the operation, officials said, was to increase the pressure on Hamas and to buy time to see if the Egyptian proposal materialized into a cease-fire.
Overnight in northern Gaza, Hamas gunmen fired at troops from a mosque. The soldiers returned fire, and the IAF then bombed the mosque's courtyard after spotting the armed men.
The air force bombed some 60 targets overnight, including seven weapons storehouses, 15 Kassam launch pads and 10 Hamas outposts.
On Tuesday, an additional 50 targets were hit, including 30 tunnels.
حسبنا الله و نعم الوكيل يا ذا الجلال و العزة
اللهم انقذ المسلمين فى غزة
اللهم كن لهم عونا و نصيرا
اللهم ربنا جل ثناؤك و تقدست اسماؤك
اللهم لا يرد امرك و لا يهزم جندك
سبحانك و بحمدك
اللهم عليك باليهود الظالمين
اللهم منزل الكتاب,هازم الاحزاب,مجرى السحاب
اهزمهم و زلزلهم
اللهم ارينا فيهم عجائب قدرتك .. قتلة الرسل و الانبياء
ظلمت العزل الابرياء
اللهم حرر المسلمين فى غزة يا ذا الجلال و العزة
اللهم فك اسرهم و اشفى مريضهم و اكشف كربتهم
اللهم بدل خوفهم امنا يا ذا الجلال و العزة
اللهم اعز الاسلام و المسلمين و اذل الشرك و المشركين و دمر اعداء الدين و احمى حوزة الاسلام
و اجمع كلمة المسلمين على الحق يا رب العالمين
اللهم انج المستضعفين المسلمين فى كل مكان
اللهم اصلح احوال المسلمين فى فلسطين و العراق و فى كل مكان
اللهم الف بين قلوبهم و اهديهم سبل السلام و اخرجهم من الظلمات الى النور
يا ذا الجلال و الاكرام و العزة
any body who don't have an idea about Israel History
pls visit this link
thanks
http://www.nogw.com/download/2006_emanuel_terrorist.pdf
Redpope, I think one must hate crime and the criminals for a better society. Israelis deserve to be hated for their crime. ...Theres lot of love awaiting them if they understand Palestinians have the right over their land...
of humour
RP is just selfish.. He only wants to get adopted by Jewish parents because he wants to wear a skull cap to cover his bald patch..
UKeng - bar mitzvah.
Mandi
ouch Justbecause..RP is that the answer you looking for..Plus wanna know what they (jewish people) call the the ceromany when a boy reaches hie 13 birthday something starting with B..I dont want to spell incorrect otherwise eaglemmuael will be on my case again.
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HE WHO DARES WINS
lol rp :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
you are right Red Pope about being adopted to a Jewish family because if you are born a Palestinian you will be lucky to reach the age of 6 months and when you get killed by an Israeli soldier they will just run you over a tank when your already dead, now thats hate for you.
First of all, I would ask My mom and dad to set me up for adoption with a Jewish Family, since everyone is full of hate and Racism in Palestine.
Jackmohan, even in peaceful protests, indians threw their lifes in quest of freedom. Remember Salt movement.
Brit don't you think by the time palestinians get strength Israel will be much more stronger. Palestine cann't get freedom without world's understanding of the issue and help, now or then...
at the beginning lets agree that this is not a "conflict"
instead it's sooooo simmmply a robbery, you "british" planed for it and the rest of the world helped on it.
that is if u like the sound of "British" planed for it, if u don't then the jews who control what ever, planed for what ever, "does this sound better!!"
Now lets get to the main subject..here is a deal for you
if u accept the condition i promise i will join ur propaganda machine and i shall be at ur or any one order to turn facts and try and make it facts!!
First i will take ur House and any other property u own "farm,other House,landscap, etc" and i shall choose 5 females of ur family say ur wife and 2 dughters and i will take 2 other females i choose, don't worry i shall control ur neighbors and ur family members...with some influnce and little money,you shalll "kill" some of ur dughters and family members again "kill" just to show that this deal is serious and u promise to must understand that rightly or wrongly, that im there to stay.
once this deal is done!!! you need to first resolve ur own internal whats so called deference(brthers/sisters/relatives)and build a united front to creat a viable front for me to stay claiming that this house God give it to me 7,000 years ago!!.
If i take a "yes" from you please let me know becuase lately i have been lonely...and need a company.
and we shall start to think of how we shall make the first step and continue the agreed plan.
what u think!!! does this sounds subject to understand that rightly or wrongly!!!!!
Why?
History has shown that all "powers" rise and fall..
Who is to say that in ten years time, the USA will still be the only superpower? It is more likely that India and China would have gained ascendency. The dynamics of the U.N may have changed etc etc
Lastly, one thing Israel has always been fearful of is the rise of the "Arab" population within and around Israel. This dynamic will also have a bearing on the future ..
should open own think tank; what made him to say so...
Victor did not realise that you were that ancient that you still remember Alexander the barbarians words..
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HE WHO DARES WINS
lets keep the thread focused on to Palestine and Israel issues.
I agree with you Brit; one need to understand the ground realities and see how strong their own people, nation and where the whole world is moving towards. Seek knowledge, educate your kids and show and lead the next generation to the peacepath, live peacefully and let others to live as well.
I can never forget the Words of
Alexander the Great that
"Oh God, Give me strength to Change the whole world and if I couldn't; then give me strength to change myself".
UkEngQatar...Jalianwalla bagh incident was when the British opened fire on "peaceful sikh men & women gathered".
Not the other way around.
True Hitler was giving England a tough time but those things are secondary.
The Indian Independence (from British) was a peaceful political movement, although there were a few leaders who had extrimist views. The Independence movement surged ahead under the guidance of Mahatama Gandhi and his Non-violence movement.
The Sri Lankan independence movement was a peaceful political movement.
Its not like Gaza has no hope
The problem with the use of weapons is that you find a rival in your own group. Even in a peaceful movement Gandhi had much difficulty keeping them united.
Peaceful Movement, Jackmohan have I read the history incorrectly, what happened in the Jalian Bagg what ever its called..
The masses did take up both peaceful and othermeans for independence. Plus British could not fight the war in Europe and keep India at bay at the same time so they let them go..
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HE WHO DARES WINS
Good for you.. i hope you achieve your aspirations..
"If you feel so strongly, why not go join the people who are actually in the front line ? "
Some Palestinians and Arabs outside are fighting but not in the front line.. We don't all need to fight in the front lines. We all stand side-by-side defending our cause by educating ourselves.. (Doctors, journalists, lawyers, teachers..ets.) Can all fight in his/her way.
Personally, I'm studying engineering and I know exaclty how I'm going to serve Palestine.
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Emad =>
sit.com: you noticed what mandilur said?
"Many of my father's generation who served in WWII would not buy a German car for years after the war."
he was talking about the ones that fought the war not their children
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Americans "taught their children to love Hitler"? Well, I don't know how it is in Aruba, I've only visited there, but believe me Americans do not "love" Hitler. Many of my father's generation who served in WWII would not buy a German car for years after the war.
Mandi
Independence of Philippines was not taken solely by our forefathers. It is, sadly, again with the intervention of US. I'm not sure whether we were sold by the Spaniards or we were bought by the Americans
Treaty of Paris. 1898. Ending the Spanish-American war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1898)
Who sold the land, or who bought it?
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Well, we were tought to forget what happened and not to hate, try asking any german in the forum how they feal about it.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
www.sit.com: You mean to love the german people that was brainwashed by the nazis? than yes, we don't hate them, as any european/american can confirm.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
atleast Hamas is closer to Sunnah. To be victorious
we have to abide by traditions of Prophet pbuh
I agree with you 100% that Hamas is being painted in bad light..
This endorces the point I was trying to make. The Palestinians have to fight Israel on equal footing, which means using the media and all other resources to their benefit.
In order to achieve this, they may have to step back slightly and compromise, whilst keeping their long term goals in mind..
crazyfish said: no second thoughts ...
If I were born Palastini no second taoughts
I'll fight against Israel coz those are lands stealed from US.
We Salute Hitler for Killing 1Million Jews!! Germans Know it all
The I will consider you a Nazi, and I will fight you with my heart and mind.
Al Isra verse 4-7
4 And We gave (Clear) Warning to the Children of Israel in the Book, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!
5 When the first of the warnings came to pass, We sent against you Our servants given to terrible warfare: They entered the very inmost parts of your homes; and it was a warning (completely) fulfilled.
6 Then did We grant you the Return as against them: We gave you increase in resources and sons, and made you the more numerous in man-power.
7 If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, (ye did it) against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power.
britexpat i dont dream about crushing Israel but i dont believe the hype that Hamas are the terrorists. I do beleive that the Arab leaders are as much terroists as the Israelis, both have self interests to serve at the cost of the Palestinians, but the palestinians have a right to defend themselves and not be. painted as the only "terrorists' in this dirty war.
Sorry, but you are not facing reality. You say it yourself, but don't believe it..
The Arab leaders DON'T want to fight for the Palestinian cause. They have mainly all agreeed to support the Saudi peace plan. Most have recognised Israel and you still dream about crushing Israel...
britexpat, you are missing the point, no need to go further we al are set in our views and will never understand the others point of view.
yes the cartoon is typical
I'm saying "put your money where your mouth is"... If you feel so strongly, why not go join the people who are actually in the front line ?
yes they either die or end up in Guantanamo. So you agree with fighting back/
Another excuse eh.. "anyone who goes to fight will be classified as a terrorist" SO ????????????
There are Jehadis fighting and dying in Iraq and Somalia and Afghanistan. They actually believe in the cause and lay down their lives....Not worry about being classed a "terrorist" :)
www.sit.com. do you think the american government can extend that love to the Palestinians too, but just request that they do that before they support Israel in killing them first, it would be nice to teach them to love before they or anyone else in their family dies first, especially those three babies who were hovering over their dead munms bodies for four days after they were ruthlessly killed, who will love them now?
"britexpat said justbecause.. ...Well articulated. The problem is that most of the people here who want Jews killed or want the uprising to continue are sitting comfortably in their armchairs. If they felt so strongly, they would go to Gaza and fight with the Palestinians."
No britexpat the problem is that people are blaming Hamas for defending their land when its clear the the israelis broke the ceasfire. They are not sitting in their armchairs, they are fighting back and the world turns on them as terrorists. Propaganda, whos the terrorists, hamas who fought back after the ceasefire was broken or the Isrealis who are testing their cluster bombs, depleted uranium, and white phosphorus on the civilians. Any one who attempts to go and fight will be automatically classified as a terrorist. The Israelis are clever at turning the tables. The Arab leaders are cowards, allowing Israeli terrorists kill their brothers and sisters, and one day they will get their turn for being cowards and not standing up to whats happening now.
I'll never recognize Israel as a state. And I am with my late president Anwar Sadat for the peace treaty. This is just to stop the bloodshed and to give chance to re-build and reconstruct the country’s infrastructure and economy.
I shall never allow for or tolerate any economic or diplomatic ties with Israel though. Just war truce, if the wording doesn’t fail me.
If my enemy is the nastiest I should be honorably smarter.
Salam
he is doing in his grave
Thankyou for reinforcing my point about emotion..
Most countries in the region have either signed a peace treaty with Israel , or recognized it as a state or are in the are in the process of transitioning to recognize.
The last time the "Arabs" took on Israel, they lost the Golan, lost land and lost respect.
Those days are gone.
if ME has declared war on Israel you will see the difference, no one will sit here and use keyboard.This is not about land or borders, this is our holy war
Brit: Couldn't agree more
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
One is sitting at home and asking innocents to put their lives on the line and die for a cause .
The other is asking them to save their lives, put them to better use, grow strong, and then face their enemy from a position of strength.
it is the same thing with those who ask for accepting the status quo. IT is easy to give opinions but ask the peson on the ground what he feels. I dont think for a moment they will accept the status quo. For that matter Israel continue to being in so called jews from different parts of the world to settle there and then you expect the Palestinians to accept peace.
Justbecause: Ever heard "Do as i tell you and not as i do?"
Brit: The community to which i belong has been evolved in getting a peacefull solution and has been supporting peace camps in Israel to teach both sides to get along and stop this bloodshed from both sides, if you want to know more about it, just check : www.tamera.org
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Well articulated. The problem is that most of the people here who want Jews killed or want the uprising to continue are sitting comfortably in their armchairs. If they felt so strongly, they would go to Gaza and fight with the Palestinians.
As far as i know, U.S. have won in Afghanistan and in Iraq, so, what war are you talking about?
Hmmm, i think i got it now, you are right, they are loosing on protecting the innocent iraquis that are killed everyday by human bombs.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
i totally agree with the comment above...
its typical how people talk about not fighting back for a stolen land and preaching peace, but if someone takes your parking space or cuts you off in traffic people are ready to kill and express road rage. If someone harmed you child you would do all it takes to seek revenge or justice but palestinian kids being murdered daily, their parents are supposed to teach peace or live alongside the murderers. Try stepping in peoples shoes before making comments.
platao: that needs to be said?
tubelight: which war?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Emad: Who told you that i have no religion? Every human life is important, and has brit just stated "Palestinians have to stop being "emotional" and look to their long term situation. They need to learn from past mistakes and also from their enemies to plot a future."
That's ok Emad, we can continue tomorrow :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
There's no point brewing a war over here in this thread... The true fact is WAR WILL GO ON over there and we cant do anything about it....
platao36: 'Is it worth to fight a war that you know you'll never win? '
very good question, i would like to address this q to the american govt.
Well thats because you dont believe in a religion.. If you did you will know that it IS worth fighting !! No one and I mean NO ONE would give away his/her country to a settler.. Well, I'd rather get cut to pieces than to let Israel take my land!..
FYI.. What is happening now is that Israel is firing at Gaza without considering babies, women,a Hamas member.. Resistance (let me call it) is fighting back.. is that a crime ??
( I'm leaving now, I'll reply tomorrow to you )
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Emad =>
British leaving India and Israel / Palestine are two completely different situations.
Palestinians have to stop being "emotional" and look to their long term situation. They need to learn from past mistakes and also from their enemies to plot a future.
Emad: Think you are kinda confused. Let me ask you an easyer question. Is it worth to fight a war that you know you'll never win? How many more palestinians will have to die so that Hamas decides that the best option to their people is live in peace side by side with Israel?
Btw, english isn't my 1st language, so i really don't care if i made 1 or 2 mistakes, at least on a forum, and would like to add that i'm 2 years far from becoming an english teacher.
Pajju: lol, my favourite hijacker :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
If I were born Palastini no second taoughts
I'll fight against Israel coz those are lands stealed from US.
We Salute Hitler for Killing 1Million Jews!! Germans Know it all
India. What happened to our emotions and love at that time? Brits were our darlings na..why so much blood shed?
oh serious thread am out :)))
And if you care that many Palestinians were murdered then you should mention a solution or an idea at least..
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Emad =>
Migrate to Israel and live happily everafter :)
Platao, excuse me.. But you just know nothing..
If you dont know what is the use of fighting back then I don't think you belong to this thread. ( Incase you want to bring it again that QL is an open site and that you can present your opinions freely.. No Im not telling you to not present your opinions nor to shut-up!..)
Did you go to a college or a university to become an "administrative" ? By-the-way, you misspelled it.. Look-up your profile.
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Emad =>
Emad: hmmmm....How sucessfull has that "fighting back" obtained? How many more palestinians will have to die so that they accept peace?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Couldn't agree more with brit, woulds like to add, teach the children not to hate but to love.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
janeyjaney.. How did u conclude this from my comments ???
NO! Im not with fighting. NO! I don’t want more killing. BUT RIGHT NOW Palestine should stand up for itself by FIGHTING-BACK.. which is now happening by Hamas or by Fatah I dont care as long as we are doing one thing which is again : FIGHTING BACK!
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Emad =>
Abohmaid thanks. :)
Britexpat, believe me Arabs have some power.. We need to unite and come together, let the educated ones lead us and make a good use of the power/energy we have.
All in all.. You are definitely right.
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Emad =>
Emad, so you're saying the only way to resolve this issue is to continue fighting? You know the numbers of people getting killed aren't getting any smaller. More and more civilians are getting killed everyday. How long will they have to keep up with this?
I'm with you on your comment Brit.
The internet is our revenge machine
You say "While we waited till we get strong enough Israel continued building the isolating wall, cutting-off the electricity + water + mediacal supply..etc on Gaza.."
This was my point.. You need all these facilities and you need to build up your strengths.
It is always easier to negotiate from a position of strength.
Empires rise and fall. IN fifty years time, perhaps the USA will no longer be the power it is now and will not be aligned as strongly with Israel as it is now..
Palestinians and Arabs need think and plan long term... Learn from your enemies..
good reply
Brite's comment make some sense ......
" Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated"
....G.B. Shaw
britexpat.. a good point really.
BUT I think what Hamas is doing this very moment which is fighting back is right.. I might not agree with every Hamas action, but thats not the issue.
"To me, that is the mistake the Palestinians are making. They must understand that rightly or wrongly, the state of Israel is here to stay." No I can't stand that I can live with a settler on my land!.. What would your action be if Israel settled in England?
While we waited till we get strong enough Israel continued building the isolating wall, cutting-off the electricity + water + mediacal supply..etc on Gaza..
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Emad =>
So there are two options..
1.. Fight on regardless and allow the cycle of violence and destruction to continue. This means that families are torn apart, kids grow up without fathers, lack of infrastructure, lack of education , lack of food etc etc
2.. Compromise. (for now). Build up your infrastructure, build up your population, build your strenths, educate your kids, build key alliances, become more media savvy and ONCE YOU ARE STRONG ENOUGH, address the issue again.
lol.. I'm proud. :D
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Emad =>
the piece of arab land they chose, happened to be the land occupied by people who knows how to fight for their rightful property. i think that's what Kanu meant...
dmigty, i was referring to the principle of "resistance to occupation". no native should put up with occupation, and resistance is important to take back the land that is theirs.
all i'm saying on this subject: my sympathies for the people of Gaza.
Kanu08 ..What wrong part ? I didnt get your point..
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Emad =>
Israelis want a piece of arab land because of its natural resources....but too bad they chose the wrong part of the arab land....Lolz
you initial post. Independence of Philippines was not taken solely by our forefathers. It is, sadly, again with the intervention of US. I'm not sure whether we were sold by the Spaniards or we were bought by the Americans.
And occupation a century ago is very different with the present "occupation" of Israel in the Palestine land.
One comment also, does anybody really believe that Russia will enter the actual war? They have done their share in UNSC but what happened? Did Israel ever bothered?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
I will continue fighting tell I get my land back or die with dignity
If I took someone's home by force, can I tell him, just accept the fact that I took your home! Please let's not fight, lets be friends, just accept the fact that hundreds of thousands of are kicked out of palistine. Let's keep the fact as it is! How silly!
om maui.. by-the-way, my point was to others to think of.. I think I know enough history about the Palestini-Israeli conflict.. :)
God help Gaza!
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Emad =>
thank you for the comments, it's nice to see people commenting like that regarding this crisis.
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)
very long history into it, Emad.
Well neither do I. I just dont think they can live together.. one reason is that they were kicked-out from Europe because they didnt behave well.. I dont know why they chose Palestine while they lived in Europe before..
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Emad =>
"If you can't beat them... Trick them..." that's from Bring it on DVD..
"If you can't beat them... Trick them..." that's from Bring it on DVD..
thanks Emad. am not really an advocate of violence. but revolution is at times required to achieve freedom and independence. that's what i learned from watching Braveheart DVD also, LOL.
good stuff om Maui :)
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Emad =>
i guess what Hamas is fighting for is to take over the land that used to be theirs. not just to compromise. and if i were born palestinian, maybe i will fight for the same.
the killings will stop somewhere at some point. history had shown us that with revolution and resistance, we can overthrown our occupier.
Philippines was occupied for 300 years by Spain, and other countries for another 33 years. but our forefathers fought and fought until we achieved our independence. it is for the benefit of our children's grandchildren.
what they are fighting for today, is for posterity sake. never for themselves, but for the Palestinian race itself.
not funny foolish..
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Emad =>
migrate to Israel
So, the conflict will never end...Killings on both sides.. Is that what you really want ??
by fighting each other
till the occupier out
How can Palestine and Israel live together..? I wonder why they were kicked-out of Europe..
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Emad =>
unless these people accept the current situation, it will be a never-ending war in this part of the world!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
"because it reaffirms that this is a conflict that will transcend generations."
To me, that is the mistake the Palestinians are making. They must understand that rightly or wrongly, the state of Israel is here to stay.
Once this is done, they need to first resolve their own internal differences (Hamas / PLO / Fatah) and build a united front to create a viable Palestinian State.