Questions to be answered by the westerners

pathetic....

one person run after another person and now that person is accusing other person for running after her !

:)

ironic.

be humble

You need to learn your faith better

You don't get punished for criticizing people

You only get punished if you criticize people wrongly...

for that admission of guilt on your behalf by posting your own sorry pic...

I have not edited any of my statements and neither have I tried to...

PM said

"I saved your post and sent it to the mods ...

so editing it doesn't change the fact that you continue to break the forum rules and get away with it:"

edifis said

"That "shameless hag" bit is ...

That "shameless hag" bit was there in Verisi's post. I saw that too. Now where did it go?"

Advise you to pls do a word search and then look at the time stamps... I have nothing to hide unlike some who had to not just take down posts but entire websites for fear of all their lies coming out in the open

Veri: And you call yourself muslim and attack PM the way you do, i'm sure that you'll be punished when the time comes. Allah knows and sees everything.

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Boo to you too!

muslims dont use lingo of Kuffar

where lying,stealing,slandering is all accepted

Just remember when righteous ppl are around DONT DARE TO SPREAD YOUR FILTH HERE

NOW GO BACK TO THE THREAD AND READ EACH COMMENT

SICKO

thread I have posted in. You've insulted me numerous times calling me PMS, a liar and an old hag more repeatedly. Now you want to pull a race card and act like this is because you are Indian that people call you out on your bad behavior? Get real.

Look at this thread and you can easily see who is out of line and attacking. It's not me and you are just upset because people called you out on your bad behavior.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Its funny how all these days PM was calling me vermin (atleast on 50 or more different occasions), insulting my wife for no reason and insulting my association with other like minded members on the forum and not one person objected

But when PM managed to draw an insult from me... i.e. me calling her a 'hag'... everyone jumps in with their daggers...

I guess being an Indian, I am expected to bear a white American ladies insults and its acceptable... But when I give some back all hell breaks loose...

YOU are patronizing ME for resorting to insults...? that's funny :-)

The same person who was saying...

"Veris, get your head out of your ass please."

and

"I need to chew and spit it out for you to digest it."

earlier on the same thread...

I guess you were too drunk to remember

You had to be... you were making no sense to anyone except yourself

Anyways...

in the forum topic, it says,"when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist! Why? Because he is a Muslim!"

And you went right ahead and call the Palestinian a suicide bomber... i.e. Any Palestinian who defends himself against these atrocities to YOU is a suicide bomber?

What does THAT say about the way you think...?

you call me a 'fuckin suckup' and then you demand that I apologize for calling someone a hag... yeah... right!

Your just another ego seeking wally

Youve just orven that your a Wanker

Veris,

You always resort to insults and pseudo-intelligent remarks when you notice there is no way out?

Sad. Very very pathetic.

...why are you quoting someone else's work as your own on QL.

PS - Mods please note!

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

...why are you quoting someone else's work as your own on QL.

PS - Mods please note!

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

Questions to be answered by the westerners -

I plead the Fifth... and any others that may be available..

I would say the majority of Westerners could care less if a woman wears hijab. It's niqab that most Westerners have trouble with.

Can I take it then that the majority of Westerners do not take objection to Muslim Ladies rights to wear a hijab?

Cos it doesn't often seem that way...

So many people dive in to bad mouth the Hijab!

Wow. Looks like I missed quite an argument! All I can say is that countries that ban women who were hijab to universities are most certainly the minority. Canada doesn't do it, The US doesn't do it, the UK, Australia, etc don't do it. So that one doesn't apply.

Also, nuns don't really cover anymore, and a nun wearing her habit is the same as a policeman wearing his uniform.

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon has said the Benjamin Netanyahu government has no knowledge of any six-month deadline given by the US for freezing settlement construction in the West Bank.

"We have no knowledge of this whatsoever," The Jerusalem Post quoted Ayalon, as saying.

Earlier a Lebanon daily had quoted French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, as saying that if Israel failed to stop all Jewish construction in the West Bank within six-months, the US would end support for peace talks.

Kouchner reportedly expressed his fear that Israel's "stubbornness, intentional foot-dragging and acquiescence to the Israel lobby" would convince the Americans to pull out of peace discussions altogether.

The French foreign minister was in Beirut on Friday for talks with senior Lebanese officials, including Hizbullah legislator Nawaf Musawi.

The meeting with Musawi was aimed at facilitating a new coalition government led by Prime Minister-designate Sa'ad Hariri. Hariri's government is likely to include Hizbullah representation, though the Shi'ite group was defeated in national parliamentary elections.

Israel is opposed to Hizbullah joining the government.

Netanyahu's advisor Mark Regev responded to the Kouchner-Musawi meeting by warning that "if Hizbullah joins the Lebanese government, then Lebanon as a country will be responsible for any Hizbullah aggression against Israel. That has to be clear."

Kouchner's meeting with a Hizbullah lawmaker is the latest in a string of European meetings with the group, which the US and the European parliament have recognized as a terrorist organization.

"Hizbullah is part of the parties that participated in the recent parliamentary elections. It is natural to meet with its representatives," Kouchner told reporters.

"Lebanon is a democratic country; democracy implies we meet with opposition figures as well." (ANI)

Jerusalem, July 15 (ANI): US President Barack Obama's reassurance to Jewish officials on US policy for Israel has failed to relieve their concerns about it.

"This meeting does not allay my concerns because it confirms that this isn't just a willy-nilly decision by some Arabists in the State Department but part of a framework Obama thinks will solve all the problems in the region," The Jerusalem Post quoted a representative of a Jewish group, as saying.lthough Jewish officials welcomed Monday's intimate face-to-face discussion at the White House, they said it was insufficient to dispel their doubts about his approach towards Israel.

During the meeting, Obama expressed strong support for Israel and acknowledged a 'misperception' that the US was disproportionately pressuring Israel, a Jewish official said.

But several representatives from mainstream Jewish groups in the room said that they still felt somewhat uneasy following the meeting.

"I am concerned that the Obama administration is falling into the trap of blaming all the problems with the peace process and region generally on Israel," said an official. merican Jewish Committee Washington Director Jason Isaacson was more measured in his assessment of the changing US policy in the region.

"To not have questions and not have concerns when the ground seems to be shifting would be [unusual]. Certainly I have concerns. I don't think anyone who is paying attention in one hour can have his concerns entirely erased," Isaacson said.

He stressed, though, that he didn't doubt Obama's sincerity in his efforts and appreciated his acknowledgement in the meeting that more needed to be done so the US wasn't perceived as pressuring Israel to the exclusion of the Palestinians and the Arabs.

Just one participant said he was reassured enough by the encounter to have a new perspective on Obama's posture.

"I'm prepared to give the president an opportunity to test his because he reassured me personally, and everyone else there, of the strength of the US's relationship and his and the administration's commitment to Israel," said Rabbi Steven Wernick, executive vice president of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism. (ANI

Please read it carefully...

Jerusalem,(ANI): Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's office has criticized the Human Rights Watch (HRW) for sending a fundraising delegation to Saudi Arabia, and likened the situation to a women's rights group asking the Taliban for donations.

"A human rights organization raising money in Saudi Arabia is like a women's rights group asking the Taliban for a donation. For an organization that claims to offer moral direction, it appears that Human Rights Watch has seriously lost its moral compass," The Jerusalem Post quoted Netanyahu's spokesman Mark Regev, as saying.

Sarah Leah Whitson, director of HRW's Middle East and North Africa Division, responded by saying that there was a need to distinguish between a government and its people, and to conflate the two was "misguided at best."

"Certainly not everyone is tainted by the misconduct of their government. There are private individuals in Saudi Arabia who are not part of the ruling government," she said.

Comments from Netanyahu's office on HRW come in the wake of reports that a delegation from HRW recently visited Saudi Arabia to raise money from wealthy Saudis by highlighting the group's activities against Israel.

Two weeks ago, Israel was ripped for alleged misconduct during Operation Cast Lead in reports issued by HRW and Amnesty International.

Israel has decided to take a much more aggressive stance toward future reports issued by these organizations, according to sources.

"We will make a greater effort in the future to go through their reports with a fine-tooth comb, expose the inconsistencies and their problematic use of questionable data," one senior official said.

"We discovered during the Gaza operation and the Second Lebanon War that these organizations come in with a very strong agenda, and because they claim to have some kind of halo around them, they receive a status that they don't deserve," he said.

Recently, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman had said that his ministry was currently involved in a reform that would place a much greater emphasis on dealing with NGOs. (ANI)

ANI

Well I cannot advise you to yell back at him because he might be nuts and kill you on the spot. But the law IS impartial. Now even with household staff (the real vulnerable ones) we cannot do anything unjust to them. You hear such stories because everyone thinks he has a right and rarely will you find anyone admitting to be guilty.

Ok. Not the stories I hear from other Expats that have been here for a while. But QL, I would love to be wrong on this one. So let me get this straight. Here's the situation: I drive the limit of 100 KM/H on Salwa Road and nearly get hit from behind by a 4x4 doing about 160-170 KM/H, only to find the guy brake hard, come to a stop in such a manner that he's blocking my way, I stop, he rolls down his window and waits for me to do the same and then he yells from the top of his lungs "ARE YOU FU**ING STUPID?!?!". What should I do? Should I tell him to go stick it or should I be polite to an as**ole? Which one will keep me out of trouble in this country? What if he had actually hit me (believe me, it was NOT due to his superior driving skills that an accident was avoided), you are telling me that I would be perfectly fine from a legal point of view? I doubt it. I do believe that, where there's smoke, there's fire. There are simply too many stories about people who's been in an accident or a fender bender, where, no matter who's fault it was, the expat's insurance had to cover it, not the locals guy's.

If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...

'Light travels faster than sound. That's why most people appear bright until they open their mouths'

That was the best I've read, describing everything in one sentence.

Well done

[quote:] "Here it does matter. An Expat will ALWAYS lose that battle."

I do't think you're being fair here.. I'm Qatari and I see how legally we ARE responsible just like expats.

Veri: No, I can't document that. The "whore" incident happened in late 90's on a talk show in Denmark. Not a lot of YouTube clips from back then. If I try REALLY hard, I might be able to find some newspaper clip somewhere. But it'll require a lot of search. The main reason is that, when I do a search and use all combinations of words related to that incident, all I get is Mohammed drawings. See, that story was a BIG thing, because when you insult Islam, deliberately or not, it's a world crisis. When you insult a country's women (in this case Denmark), we just shake our heads and think "morons".

The same goes for the story about muslims on sept. 12th (I just noticed I wrote Sept. 10 in my earlier post. Sorry. Of course it was the day AFTER 9/11 and NOT BEFORE). Again, I might be able to find something somewhere, but guess what comes up when you search for anything related to September 12th...

Khalifk: Thanks for you answer. I don't really see how I answered my own question, but there you go. You said: "Every country the Locals are the types for example you said about Lndcruisers in Doha". Yes, you are right in that every country has ass**le drivers. The big difference is, if you drive irresponsibly in Denmark and hit another car/person, YOU are at fault. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, Danish, Qatari, Expat, local. Here it does matter. An Expat will ALWAYS lose that battle. Hence, the Landbruisers do exactly what they want, because they always have "inshallah".

Next one: "But still the governmen is doing all it can possibly do for everyone staying in their Country". I have to disagree for the reason I just gave above.

"When someone drives a perfect car in a bad way no one blames the car.

But when any Muslim makes a mistake or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason"! I have read this one about 4 times now. I still don't get it. :-D

Finally: "At the end of the day everybody loves to be with a happy family with peace of mind". Probably the most universally true thing that's been said on QL to date.

If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...

CARGDOG

You questioned and answer yourself, I've been in most parts of Europe, US and Asia. Never want to go to Denmark really.

Every country the Locals are the types for example you said about Lndcruisers in Doha.

I would like to appraise Switzerland where i personally believe locals were astonishingly helpfull and very soft spoken, I would love to retire in Medina(S.A) or Interlaken (Swiss).

People here dont get the bigger picture and want to whine about small details.

I do agree a lot of things in the Muslim world are out of place. But having said that it is not out of control like the west. My sister lives in Chicago (US), my brother studies in Padington, Central London. I hear a lot of things which are impossible here in the Middle East.

At the end of the day everybody loves to be with a happy family with peace of mind.

I said in my post "When someone drives a perfect car in a bad way no one blames the car.

But when any Muslim makes a mistake or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason"!

Think about this. I never said Christainity or christians are doing this or that, the west compromises of all the religions. We have a very limited Qatari population as compared to the Expat population. But still the governmen is doing all it can possibly do for everyone staying in their Country.

This incident you talk about... very interesting

"A Muslim who has been granted the right to asylum in

Denmark, on national t.v., tells the entire danish population that all our women are whores, who are "just to be used" until Muslims can marry a virgin Muslim"

I would like to learn more, care to give details? I am sure this must have been widely reported on the web

I am also curious about this Sept 10 incident that you described.

Its strange, but try as I might, I couldn't find any reference to either of these two incidents on the web... odd...

And I am sure you would agree, we should not just go by hearsay

Khalifk: I've now read all the posts on this thread, with interest (except the stupid name calling). I can't believe you're actually saying these things. This is not meant as an insult, but have you EVER been outside the Arab world??

PM and a few other guys has said most of what I would've said, so I won't repeat their answers. The one thing that has gone unanswered so far is this statement from you:

"As far as people from different nationalities are concerned we have no issues regarding them until they abide by our custom and traditions like we do when we visit other countries."

Are you kidding me??? Don't for one second think that you're Muslim brethren are abiding by custom and traditions when abroad.

Example: A Muslim who has been granted the right to asylum in Denmark, on national t.v., tells the entire danish population that all our women are whores, who are "just to be used" until Muslims can marry a virgin Muslim. If I had said the same thing here in Qatar about your women (and mind you, I would never do that - publicly or privately), I would've been taking to the national stadium and stoned to death. And maybe rightly so, because I would have violated your customs.

Example: Muslims driving around the streets of Denmark on 10th Sept 2001, yelling "jihad" and declaring war on USA and all it's allies. They are actually declaring war on Denmark. A country that has given them food and shelter.

What happens to these guys?? Nothing, because we have chosen to "legally" just turn the deaf ear, when fools speak. If they had been Danish people saying the same thing, nothing would've happened. Because we treat everyone the same. Yes, that's right!! All are equal to the law. I can hardly say the same for this country. You know, as an expat, you are always at the mercy of the idiot in the Landbruiser. If I hit him, it's my fault. If he hits me, it's my fault. I think it's ridiculous, but I've chosen to accept that risk. What scares me most is the day THAT idiot decides to ram me in a roundabout and his three kids comes flying out the front windshield, because they weren't wearing a seat belt. Then I will be liable to pay blood money, because "I" killed his kids, when in fact a simple solution called a child seat and a seat belt, would've most likely saved their lives (sorry for getting side tracked there).

The list goes on, but I will spare you. Please don't talk about Muslims always behaving nicely. It pisses me off. I obey by all rules of Qatar. I do this firstly because it is the customs of the country I have chosen to live in. I do it secondly because it's the law of the country I have chosen to live in.

If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...

FU, your tongue is as messed up as your brain...

most people who grow up in trailer parks are that way I guess...

I can see you are bending over backwards to prove that you didn't know that Qatari women are allowed to drive in Qatar...

Listen, next time you wear your cape and fly over to liberate the oppressed, pls do some research...

BTW... your vile language is very consistent with your concern for the oppressed Muslim woman...

But no surprise there, its the same land that spit out George W Bush... what else should one expect!

Veris, get your head out of your ass please.

I asked this

"Since when can common females over here or in Saudi drive a car?" (and of course I refer to locals/arabs)

in response to this half-ass statement

"When a western women stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected because of sacrificing herself and doing good for the household? But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated""

The point is of course not about the driving but more the rules/behavior that suppresses the education/freedom/development of females.

Of course, I need to chew and spit it out for you to digest it.

Apparently u r right brit.. buddhists too have some extremist elements.. Well only Jainism is the one left now where i haven't heard of fanatics but then again mayb they also have some elements...

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

Sorry to disappoint you. Theer have been cases of Budhist extremists attacking and burning down christian churches in sri-Lanka..

So true baldrick, I was wondering the same thing. Never heard of a fundamentalist in Buddhism or jainism..

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

Be a Buddhist. I've never heard of Buddhist fundamentalists :o)

I noticed you've conveniently chosen to ignore that you made the statement about women not being able to drive in Qatar... Seriously, which planet are you from? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Its heartening to see that you are so passionate about the travails of an allegedly oppressed lot you know nothing about...

I don't understand your question..Rephrase pls..

Veris,

Funny to see you struggle like a constraint psychopath in his last attempt to break loose....

or is a drowning cat a better example....

No wait...

Either way.

Give it up.

Is that the right answer ?

the spokesman for the religion, then the negative perception of islam will always be around.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200442/The-Jihad-fanatic-peddling-message-hate-11-year-old-Londoners-funded-taxpayer.html

Maybe asenior cleric could take a stand against him and condone his actions ?

good one..gaderne..

Oh GOD, you are such a drama queen

You decide to go hyper sensitive on the one thread you don't call me 'vermin'

and this time you did not insult my wife, how refreshing!

and then you cry foul...

Its almost as if you have developed mentally after fourth or fifth grade, like Michael Jackson... did you have a tuff childhood?

vermis..as usual u have outdone urself..n tell me why does anybody here have to apologize for anystatement they made..are u the official flag bearer for qatar or the al thani family..?????>...fuckin suckup..

if anybody does hv to apologize its you,for calling a lady a hag on a forum..where did all ur islam preaching go?..

Khalifk,are you saying that you would like to close you counry form the rset of the world? have you ever heard of North Korea. I don't think that you or member of your family would like to go back to riding camel. Assuming that you are Qatary, No I don't think so Land cruser is much better.

It's mostly the ultra-orthdox right-wing jews that grow their beards & braid their hair & wear that funny black outfit & most of the regular jews distance themselves from these guys since they're too extremist in their views,my muslim brothers & sisters,have not sufficiently & clearly distanced yourselves from the al qaeda/taliban types which is where you'll lost out & hence the current global perception that beard/muslim=terrorist.

A nun is dressed the way she was as a choice that she has made to devote her life to the church,the dress code isn't forced on her,it's about choice,are you telling me that every muslim woman who wears the hijab/niqab wears it out of choice?...you know the answer to that one.

Again as far as working women are concerned,the issue is one of choice,the issue is with smart,educated muslim women being forced to stay home & not work/mingle with the opposite sex because of religious constraints,not with those who choose to do so.again,question being,is every educated muslim woman who's not working doing so out of choice?

It boils down to the perception that's been created my friend & you know who's sitting back & laughing @ this,the al qaeda/taliban types who're using Islam as an excuse & giving all muslims a bad name...go on then,all muslims unite,get on a world stage & condemn this millitant fringe,make it clear to the world that you guys don't support their extremist views,that's the only way to change the current global perception of Islam...

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

this is good statement applicable to all.

Thanks for writing this, who created Osama?????????????????? Not the Muslims its at that time the peoples who do not want Russia not to became a super power they create all this mess when Osama is fighting against Russia he was given lot of respect so they build this terrorist. Now about Philistine every body knows who is right and who is wrong but that is none of there interest so they close there eyes.

And I will call the mods' attention to blatant violation of the rules on a continuing basis. Feel free to call the Mods' attention to my posts if I violate the forum rules.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Okay Veris and PM...

PM - your words are usually sharp and can be considered on the edge, do not ask for MOD assistance when you provoke.

Veris, you should know better. Do not resort to name-calling as this indicates being the weaker party in the debate.

As goes for the drivers license issue, as far as I know... and correct me if I am wrong, the current Emir gave this right to females, that should have been in 1997 or 1998. So, around 7 to 11 years ago.

Remains my opinion. It is ridiculous that females were not allowed to drive.

Veris, your reply... nice, but not all to shapp

"Firstly, the article doesn’t blame the West so don’t get defensive. I know its typical for people with guilt to experience a need to defend himself even when not under threat"

Which article? This is a very poorly composed write-up from somebody that has just left elementary school.

"Okay… let’s see… so when a nun wears a habit, you say that its no forced upon her… but when a muslimah wears an Abaya, Islamic culture dictates it… uhmmmm… sorry… still don’t get it :-/"

What don't you get. A nun CHOOSES to dedicate her life and the related consequences. When born in a Sharia country, it is dictated. How is this difficult?

"Uhmmmm…. Actually that would be any time… Women can have drivers licenses in Qatar. As for Saudi, that does not reflect Islamic opinion in general… As for common female who are active in politics being judged, ignored, yelled at etc… What the hell are you talking about"

Uhhhmm.. do not thy to be smart, since when = since which date. In politics, what is the male to female ratio? In Kuwait, what happened to the first female that spoke in parliament? Euhmmm... she got whistled, yelled at. What happened to the 2 female ministers in Qatar, they got sacked. Euhhmmm... what the hell do you wish to ignore?

Lets leave it at this...

this is horrible.

Verisim.. get a life.

PM - don't worry about him. We all love you.

This time Verisi really did edit a post! and caught in the act too. LOLZ!!

That "shameless hag" bit was there in Verisi's post. I saw that too. Now where did it go?

so editing it doesn't change the fact that you continue to break the forum rules and get away with it:

verisimilitude said PM... here is FACT you liar ...

You shameless hag, you stated a fact which was not true and then placed the burden of proof on me to prove you were wrong...

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

yes... okay... so?

I haven't called you names in my last post...

you are seeing things

so we all know who needs to get control of oneself

original post and you provided proof that I was correct. Can you please get control of yourself????

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

She made a casual remark not a legal testimony!

PM said a lie

I pointed it out to her

she wouldn't admit it

asked for proof

I provided proof

She retracts her statement

and denied she ever said it

calls me a stalker...

Come on.. What's the big deal?

Your speculation is a deliberate effort to malign an Islamic country based on untrue facts

If someone were to tell me that Lady X is a hooker

I can't say so in a public forum unless I make an effort to ascertain the fact behind the false allegation

And if I do, I should be held accountable

Also, I've noticed that you've changed your comment

Earlier you had said

"I remember about 7 years or so ago when Qatari young women were first allowed to get their licenses."

Now you are saying

"I was told by some Qatari women who I am friends with that the law changed (as best I can remember it was about 7 years ago) allowing Qatari women to get their licenses now on their own, without having to secure the permission of their fathers or husbands."

These are two very different things said by the same person within a matter of hours

So its obvious to me that you are deliberately playing the fool to show Qatar and Islam in a poor light

Your original comment

"I remember about 7 years or so ago when Qatari young women were first allowed to get their licenses."

Where did you mention husbands or fathers in this statement...

your reference to husbands or fathers was made in a later comment...

now don't try to deflect the focus on your LIE by blaming me of stalking you or whatever...

"The activities of women are restricted closely both by law and tradition. For example, a woman is prohibited from applying for a driver's license unless she has permission from a male guardian. This restriction does not apply to noncitizen women. "

That is exactly what I said. I said I was told Qatari women had to have the permission of their husbands or fathers to get a license.

Please stop calling me names.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

learn to speak the truth

As-Sunnah As Saheeha

http://www.islamlecture.com/

learn to speak the truth

As-Sunnah As Saheeha

http://www.islamlecture.com/

MODS: I've asked repeatedly for you to deal with his personal attacks and name calling. He was banned for this before and I do not understand why he is allowed to carry on calling names, stalking and launching personal attacks.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

image the fate of Qatari youth

As-Sunnah As Saheeha

http://www.islamlecture.com/

Once again! verisi VS PM....!!

Carry on!

Let me restate your claim

"I remember about 7 years or so ago when Qatari young women were first allowed to get their licenses."

You shameless hag, you stated a fact which was not true and then placed the burden of proof on me to prove you were wrong...

well here it is...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/hrqatar99.html

This is a Report on Human Rights Practices for 1999

Qatar

i.e. more than 7 years old

And it says here that women can have drivers licenses...

And you were saying my mind is in the gutter...

now if you would stop sipping from it and take a few minutes to read the link I sent you... I've established that you lied

Shame on you... an academician stating false facts and then bickering over it stubbornly

trying to convince yourself. I realize your mind may be in the gutter but mine isn't. Your obsession with me has nothing to do with male/female attraction (at least I HOPE not). It is a creepy stalker mentality and I have asked you politely and repeatedly to stop because it really makes me feel uncomfortable. It is decidedly excessive.

And there is nothing I have written that is a lie. You saying it -- ALL IN CAPS -- doesn't make it so silly boy :-) You haven't offered any proof that what I have stated is not what I have been told. You haven't even offered any proof regarding the law that allows Qatari women to drive.

So until you come up with something legitimate, please stop trying to get my attention.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

"I remember about 7 years or so ago when Qatari young women were first allowed to get their licenses."

A BIG FAT LIE

As for your puppy dog analogy, I know at your age, you would like to perceive yourself as desirable in some odd way... but seriously... get real...

more carefully. Do you not think it is odd that you are so obsessed with me that you run after me like a pathetic puppy dog hoping for a bone? Get a life, for God's sake! :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Who said that earlier?... Oh YES, it was YOU!

Have the grace to admit when you are wrong...

I will point out mistakes regardless of who makes it

Not my fault that you're aces at making mistakes...

for you to please leave me alone. Your fixation on me borders on stalking and is disturbing.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

You can get personal or whatever...

I couldn't care less...

But anyway, try to be accurate when you post...

I thought he seemed familiar. Funny, he is not even Qatari ( if I recall right he is Indian) and now he is talking about getting all Americans and Westerners out of Qatar. I guess he wants to get rid of the competition for jobs :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

No one is trying to "malign an Islamic country". And yes, I clarified what I was saying. BFD.

Get over yourself and please leave me alone. I have been trying to avoid you because of your friend protectoress. I would appreciate it if you will practice a little restraint, I find your obsession with me creepy.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

You the guy who has an avatar with a white "Boycott Israel" pic.

You never cease, do you?

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

This kind of question is why QL is so often maligned and full of rubbish.

The idiot asking the question is just antagonising; is there anything anyone could post in response to this to make you open your mind and see an alternative point of view? No.

You will stay closed minded and bigoted and have only asked a rhetorical question to start an argument.

It makes me wonder,khalifk, whether you have a personality? Had you acquired one at some point you wouldn't have to ride the wave of venom just to get a response to something that you say.

I would agree that there is a lot of "meddling"..

However, what you fail to understand is that many "leaders" prefer the US interference.

Do you think that Mubarak would have stayed in power for so long or that Kuwaiti leaders would till be there ?

It is all about self interest..

Came across a justification for Israelis targeting and killing civilians.

Would like those who are interested to check this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qana

it is about civilians taking shelter inside a UNIFIL camp in south Lebanon. Some 100 civilians were killed. As usual. In such cases when the Israeli media fabrication factory have no reasoning. They claim it was a mistake.

For those of you who are interested in terrorism, check the menu on the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Terrorism_Since_1945

Unfortunately. The US has been unfair to the Middle East. They see it as the playground for Israel and an oil source. No real care for the citizens of the area. Our demands for peace were not supported by the US. Rather Israel was supported and protected blindly. Vetoes has been used all the way and all the time to protect Israel from UN resluntions. Although 99.99% of those resolutions that found their way out are simply few pieces of paper that have no value. Only polluting the environent.

Again. Here are some of the vetoes entertained in favor of Israel:

http://www.indymedia.org.nz/article/74058/america-used-un-veto-protect-israeli-war

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Please read carefully all the post i have written it in simple english so that even dumb peoplecan understand or better go to our universities in Education city. The political and military fingering of USA and its Allies is not acceptable in the Middle East. Period

Qatar is a free country if it is not you will not be allowed to discuss as we are.

The Civilian population is free to move anywhere abiding by the Qatari Customs and traditions.

Thank You

God Bless You

I stated what I was told by an Al-Thani woman and asked for further information.

"I remember about 7 years or so ago when Qatari young women" obviously does not mean EXPAT women. Again, take the time to read rather than just jumping in and trying to attack everything I say.

Since you were born and grew up here, I am sure you have also noticed the fact that Qatari women driving is a fairly recent event. I was told by some Qatari women who I am friends with that the law changed (as best I can remember it was about 7 years ago) allowing Qatari women to get their licenses now on their own, without having to secure the permission of their fathers or husbands. Again, I am repeating what I was told.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

MD nice joke about Hosni Mubarak and throwing 1000 Pound bill. But I wonder how he manages to stay President when majority of the people are against him?

He should now declare himself King of Egybt and scrap the election procedure to save public money. Then the Egyptians might stop grumbling about their leader!

FREE TIBET!!!

"I remember about 7 years or so ago when Qatari young women were first allowed to get their licenses"

Again... can you please elaborate from where and how you remember this? I know expat ladies who have had licenses for over 20 years... Are you saying that Qatari women could not have it for all these years... that would be verrrrry interesting IF it is true...

Since you've stated that there is a law that Al Thanis are not allowed to drive, then you are either to furnish proof to the same effect or else apologize for your error

Perhaps she was mistaken or her family told her there was a law to keep her from getting her license :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I think Al-Thani females are forbidden to drive by their families not by law. Their are a few Al-Thani females who do drive. I don't know if they got their licenses from Doha or somewhere else.

I remember about 7 years or so ago when Qatari young women were first allowed to get their licenses. I did have an Al-Thani woman tell me that the laws are different for them and that she couldn't get a license. I don't know the details, though, and if that is still the case.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I have quoted your 'pearls of wisdom in quotes'

“Well that you have to thank Osama and some others for. It is the global marketing of Muslims through aggressive looking terrorists that has caused a negative image among common westerners, I have never seen Jewish long-beards yell and scream against the West declaring Jihad, issuing fatwa's. Like I said yesterday, the fault lies with your own, not with the west.“

Firstly, the article doesn’t blame the West so don’t get defensive. I know its typical for people with guilt to experience a need to defend himself even when not under threat, but seriously… easen up… with regards to your question about Israeli’s with long beards… I don’t have any statistics about the number of Israeli soldiers with long beards but I hope this helps…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090715/wl_mcclatchy/3272283

“A nun is a more a profession, she can CHOOSE. Nobody has forced it upon her. While your culture by design and default dictates what a female should be. Big big difference.”

Okay… let’s see… so when a nun wears a habit, you say that its no forced upon her… but when a muslimah wears an Abaya, Islamic culture dictates it… uhmmmm… sorry… still don’t get it :-/

“Since when can common females over here or in Saudi drive a car? Since when can a common female be active in politics without being judged, ignored, yelled at? “

You asked when common females can drive a car in Doha… Uhmmmm…. Actually that would be any time… Women can have drivers licenses in Qatar. As for Saudi, that does not reflect Islamic opinion in general… As for common female who are active in politics being judged, ignored, yelled at etc… What the hell are you talking about??

“Adjust to where you are. In Saudi (and most of the sharia countries) a female expat has to REALLY REALLY be careful in public. So, why should a Muslima in a Christian country not adhere to the local customs? You are not being reasonable at all. Governments dictate the rules, mostly this is in line with demand coming from the public, hence... this must have been a needed step. People do not like it, leave. “

You see… Saudi claims openly that it’s a Muslim country and it lays down laws as it deems appropriate with regards to Islam… it does not lay tall claims to ‘Equal rights’ or ‘democracy’ or ‘secularism’ etc. So its being consistent… But when you go to a Western Country that claims that its ‘secular’ and gives ‘equal rights’… well you better live up to those things. Besides, the Islamic dress conforms to Christian beliefs in every way so your question is irrelevant.

"When somebody kills out of extremism, surely the background is mentioned as it usually relates to a current issue. In the last war Jews and Muslims were named as this is THEIR conflict. Jews have been largely exposed in the last war and have received a lot of negativism from the west. If it is a random killing in any society, mostly the religion is not mentioned. If a news paper says A woman got killed by Mohammed. B or David C. it is likely for Mohammed to be a Muslim, yet David... can be anything. So start being more creative with naming your children and this problem will be solved :-P (just kidding)"

Since you seem to outright deny a deliberate negativity when reporting on Islam by the Press… Here’s a tit bit for you… 91% of articles in newspapers about muslims is negative… 91%... And you deny any bias… interesting…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090715/wl_mcclatchy/3272283

“Wow, you are trying to justify suicide attacks. Amazing!! About the Palestinian conflict I will not talk, although I tend to side with the Palestinians, yet I do have some reservations about Hamas.“

And this one tops it… REALLY

You choose not to talk about the Palestinian conflict… only smart thing you said in the entire post…

He was talking about a Palestinian having to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated

That’s all he said, didn’t talk about what the Palestinian would do, maybe he hurls stones, maybe participates in a violent rally, maybe he picks up a rifle and joins the Hamas… but even without him specifying how the Palestinian would retaliate… you have already gone ahead and labeled him a suicide bomber…

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you should talk to Sheikha Mouza. Also be ready to get rid of all the Americans and Westerners with expertise in the energy sector. Why don't you approach the Emir with your demands? Maybe he will agree with you that we Americans and Europeans are creating all the problems in an otherwise perfect Qatar.

Yes, I realize you couldn't survive without your exploited labor, maids and nannies. God forbid you (Khalifk) might have to pump your own gas, raise your own kids or clean your own house!

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Its two way street.. For the "Middle Easterners" to allow the USA and its Aliies to be here, they must be getting somthing in return..

USA and its allies should withdraw from Middle East.

Period.

As far as people from diffferent nationaities are concerned we have no issues regarding them until they abide by our custom and traditions like we do when we visit other countries.

Hey everyone is here for their own selfish reason though, nothing can stop a country's development.

There is no need to care about us better would be if you think about yourself first and your people.

Thank You

God Bless You

your oil and gas (assuming you are Qatari) because without it you will not be living the life of economic advantage that you enjoy now. Imagine that!

Frankly, I find your posts in this thread to be more of the typical whining of some Arabs, casting themselves as the eternal victims and demonizing the West. Until you learn to look in the mirror and take responsibility for your own faults, you will not have the utopia you are looking for. Believe me, increasingly I find myself wanting to see ALL expats withdraw from the Middle East -- educators, troops, maids and laborers. Then you can shape your perfect society without us poisoning it :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Why do some of you exaggerate and keep repeating these same lame complaints?

:-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Khalifk,

I don't really know where you got your opinions, but I'd really advice you to try to put on different shades and be a bit less subjective about this subject.

You point your finger at the USA and the west.

You want to bet that if ALL expats leave tomorrow you will be riding a camel once again in under 2 years. You could NOT sustain the lifestyle you may be having now.

Lol at the Egypt jokes!!!

Mubarak - Master in MARTIAL-arts.

as long as we continue to not condemn the killing of innocent civilians by terrorist, and over-victimize our own tragedies. I'm afraid Arabs (and Muslim in general) will be seen as a threat (the new commies).

___________________________________________

Long hours of devoted prayer and introspection whilst waiting for husband. I love husband.

It seems that too may peopl see things in Black and White. Iraq wil take years to normalize - If it ever does.

The USA is withdrawing from Iraq. Yes. And all of a sudden there is peace. Great. I just don't see it.

US is withdrawing from Iraq and moving to Afghanistan. I don't know if you can say Afghanistan is in the Middle East, but there definitely won't be a strong military presence in the Arab world...at least not as strong as it was in Iraq a few years ago.

If USA withdraws from the Middle East there will be war.

is just an assumption there are differences but not enough to start a war.

There will be stray incidents here and there but ultimately it will garner much awaited peace.

USA will be blamed if it still continues double dealing and back stabbing even after the withdrawal.

I always find it strange that people are so shocked at the politics of the world..

YES! Pakistan sponsors unrest in India.

YES! India sponsors unrest in Pakistan.

YES! The USA supports anti government groups in Iran.

YES! Israel does many underhand things around the Middle East.

YES! Mubarak is a puppet of the US as is Karzai.

YES! The USA and UK are in Iraq and Afghanistan, not out of compassion, but self needs.

YES! The USA haps on about democracy, but does nothing about certain "rulers"

YES! The Gulf leaders want to see a seaker Iran and would keep quiet if Israel carried out an attack.

YES! Israel is a proxy of the USA in the Middle East. The samecould be said for Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

I think I'll stop now. I'm beginning to hyperventilate.

khalifk, if the US would withdraw completely from the Middle East, the war between the "brothers" would start. And they would blame it on the US. That's for sure.

Peace in the Arab World the key is USA and its Allies they will have to start with confidence building measures and sto double dealng.

If the minds are captive to prejudice, preconception or pre judgement, we will never see the beauty or truth of anyhing.

MD our children dont take weapons in schools and university and kill innocent children do i need to elaborate or quote anything.

We built Mosques stadiums towers foundations to a society a nation.

We dont want to buy your tom hawk.

We paid the price for what we get nobody did anything for us free.

People come here because they get paid more than they earn back home.

Dont think that knowldge is limited to certain class of people.

These countries had been much better and well off and been traders for longtime when the red indians were eating human flesh.

where were your friends in South America, Eastern Europe and Russia when crude touched astronomical highs why everybody comes to Middle east to increase production.

Be real USA messed up everything and leave it unfinished everywhere

Thank God he's not bearded and doesn't claim to be Islamist! :)

lol nice joke! Thank God we're not in Egypt.

rofl nice 1..

The Egyptian president is in his palace preparing for the election when one of his advisers comes in and says "Sir, the Egyptian people want to say 'goodbye' to you."

"Why?" replies the president, "where are they going?"

No qatarilady, he's there to look after his rich friends and preserve the dynastic succession of power. It is upsetting to the core to see how the Egyptians suffer under him. As you yourself have said before, it' about greed and corruption, and he is the textbook example.

PS You know if you and i were writing this in Egypt, we'd be standing looking at each other face to face behind bars by now?

The Egyptian president flies over Cairo with his wife. He wants to be generous. "I think I'll throw a 1000 pound note out and someone who finds it will be happy," he said to her. She said: "Why don't throw two 500 pound notes and make two happy, dear?" The pilot turns around and says: "Why not throw yourself and make 80 million happy, Sir?"

You do have better leaders Khalifa.

They're damned smart.

You're right except for Assad and Ahmedi Najad.. Mubarak is actually a security guard for the Israeli borders. This is hes PAID day job.

Forgive me, allow me to elaborate on your answer a little.. It's about corruption, more than weapons.

Where is the money going? To the leaders and their elitist friends, who will make sure that they dominate industry and business, buy themselves gigantic houses and cars, get the best medical care in Paris, villas by the sea, and anything else they want. So they can dump toxic waste in the drinking water and get away with it (since disposing of waste is far too expensive and bad for business if you do it properly.)

The money will go to maintain the 2% of the upper set of society who are fabulously wealthy and surrounded by 98% who are hungry and living four to a bedroom, making ends meet and feeding nine empty mouths on $80 a month and trying to just survive.

Visit Cairo and you will see this 2%. Just how many hundreds of years of hard labour would the lower classes have to do to just equal the wealth that these elite enjoy in two weeks of their lives?

God bless you, Mr Mubarak.

Where is the money going? In the hands of the glorious leaders. What do they do with it? Build schools? No. Build hospitals? No. Build roads? No. Stock up their weapons' arsenals? Yes.

all i can say has been said by britexpat. a good summarized and complete answer...thank u

Iran is not silly to attack any country.

Nobody wants a war.

It is one War mongerer country who wants conflict everywhere so that it can be big brother everywhere and establish supremecy

We also had a "leader". His name was Hitler. Thank the USA, Britain, France, and the USSR who helped us to get rid of this ass**le.

Though I dont agree with most of what u said khalifk, ur last statement touched a nerve.. It has been proved by US secret services that money sanctioned to Pakistan is used by them to create unrest in India, yet they assigned billions of dollars to them again.. dont know whats happening there..

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

'"We have better leaders"

Who?

Mubarak of Egypt?

Asaad of Syria?

Qadaffi of Libya?

Ahmedinejad and Khameini of Iran?

Saddam Hussein of Iraq?

Sounds more like a roll call of the Scum Of The Earth, to me.

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"let's slip out of these wet clothes and into a dry martini" Mae West

"We" don't have "leaders", khalifk! We have "representatives" elected by us to represent our issues. If they don't, they are removed after 4 or 5 years!

All the threat perceptions is created by USA and its allies to sell their loss making Arms and Ammunition companies. Why is it financing Pakistan against India, why has it created rift everywhere in the world and even among its people.

There will never be two states. Palesinians now cannot possess weapons legally because they don't have a state so they're not eligible for an army, yet they manage to smuggle some from Iran, Syria and Hezbullah, as well as the primitive weapons they assemble themselves.

Allowing them to have a state will open the door to unlimited military resources, so it's in the Israelis best interest that they (the elected Hamas) remain a terrorist militia. And of course the US will se to it.

Be concerned about your own people.

Your leaders are in the race of upmanship, restoring their power, position and supremecy.

We have better leaders who can take care of affairs in our states and bring peace between each other through dialogue.

The good thing is that "world hegenomy" changes from time to time.

"what do you think you are doing are you a world watchdog"

Well there's a simple question that can be answered with one word - YES.

Models of politics show that there will always be a centralised world power which regulates the regions of the world. It's called world hegemony, and there is protection for all under the various umbrellas it has around the world. The only people who suffer are those who think they're too important to live in this world structure of power or to develop their own regions. They create conflict with their neighbours (eg Iran) and need to be kept under a close eye.

Thus they sit around in caves calling for the destruction of the human race. They are harbingers of death and destruction. The world watchdog is rightly concerned about them.

I prefer to reply you in the same language you pose me a question but in a civilised way.

Prove it wrong.

Keep the slang for you and your people it will be usefull for you back there in your country

Thank You

God Bless You

quote: "If you can really do something please do it for your own people and make their life better and not rely on our Oil, wealth and prosperity."

Khalifa, OIL is needed for the world economy to exist and that's the only route by which your 'people' have gained their wealth. Those countries which don't have any oil are ruled by awful tyrants who subsidise the cost of baladi bread to avoid a riot, meanwhile lining their own Swiss accounts with the billions taken from impoverished people.

Without OIL, there would be no progress for your people who would be going hungry, save for any chickens you could raise and any dates you could manage to grow.

The sad fact is that oil needs to be commonly made available and it is rather fortunate for you that it is since 'your people' produce nothing, create nothing and develop nothing.

They import science, technology and consumer goods from either the West or China. Your cars, computer and medical advances, all made possible by oil.

By all means, cut the supply of oil off if you must. There's plenty of it in South America, Eastern Europe and Russia to last until the advent of the carbon-friendly economy. (In fact, the sooner you pull the plug on Middle Eastern oil, the better it will be for everyone, actually, including the planet.)

I don't wish to hurt your feelings but since you brought up the topic, it needs to be said.

When you dont have something to say blame

wow

Thank You

God Bless You

QatariLady,

"If they want to gain some repect they could've faught on land man-to-man"

I would not want that either, remember Iraq?

I'd prefer for both parties to gain respect by a peaceful 2-state solution.

But, both are way too stubborn.

Ok Khalifk,

End of discussion.

Clearly you are too emotional to have a proper discussion, and start throwing with all half-ass facts, conspiracy theories and other irrelevant statements.

I tried to tell you that the past is the past, and can not be undone. Until you can let go of the past and can get beyond half-ass theories, do not have a debate on such subjects.

Shame.

Cain killed Abel.

Is USA going to poke his nose in every fight in Muslim Household, what do you think you are doing are you a world watchdog.

You are doing all this to retain the supremecy in the world.

Nobody needs war except USA.

USA and Its allies have a much more bigger problem back home with corrupt police captains, goons, Mafia, Druglords a shattered economic situation to address save your citizens first in your country. Remember charity begins at home.

Don't mediate between two brothers, they will fight and unite and bring peace it is nature's law.

"yes i am emotional"

As a intellectual, you would know that emotional individual are displaying blurred visions in the debate.

"You really dont know what the meaning of RADICAL"

Indeed, as I am trying to be objective and do not debate from emotions but logic.

"not rely on our Oil, wealth and prosperity"

You clearly do not understand that you as local people NEED the west in order to establish your wealth. From the labor that builds your house, to the CEO that imposes ISO.... you need their assistance.

Because of the following basic reasons

1 - your workforce is too small

2 - your population is education-wise not up to speed, yet. This will take another 20 years + +

"Let us leave with peace with our families and children"

Of course, I would not want it any other way.

Go ask somebody in CIA FED or PENTAGON who has financed what you will get your answer.

9/11 was a conspiracy and for your information International trade in done through USA and Foreign transfer of funds will affect only from USA, ask any banker.

Dubai has 500 times more money of foreign countries than its nationals.

Dubai and Swiss have the highest money belonging to illegitimate warlords, mafia dons, drug peddlers, routed through JEWISH corporation.

Ask your president MR Barak Obama the truth about 9/11, he will reply to you.

Khalifk,

Everybody knows that Arabs kiss each other in order to see how well the knife fits in the back of the other.

Drop you 'holier than thou' attitude. It is all a bit more complex than you think it is.

Yesterday you conveniently ignored a question:

What if Saudi asked Osama to liberate Kuwait, would he have succeeded? Would Kuwait now be a province of Iraq and would Iraq be at war with Saudi as Saudi has fought against them? What would have been the consequence for the middle east IF this would have taken place? Either way, you'd still be in need of assistance from somebody to protect your wealth.

I am polite at all times and yes i am emotional about my Faith my Family My country and my people ( who are true and unbiassed enlightened educated and religious )

A befitted reply is what i mean.

You really dont know what the meaning of RADICAL.

If you can really do something please do it for your own people and make their life better and not rely on our Oil, wealth and prosperity.

Let us leave with peace with our families and children.

Yes.. more than a thousand killed and about 5000 injured.

Platao.. They do target children because they know this devastates human beings. Didn't you see the four children shot dead by snipers?

If they want to gain some repect they could've faught on land man-to-man.

"USA and its allies should stop financing terrorism"

You realize that 9/11 was funded by money laundered mostly through Dubai based banks?

mud throwing, comes large from your side Khalifk.

As stated in another topic, Qatar has a good reason for having an American base. SECURITY. Kuwait same, UAE same, and I am sure Bahrain must have an American base.

The way of the world.

USA and its allies have financed Syria, Egypt and Jordan to create differences between us.

Apeace was agreed and evryone adhered to it

Israel has never kept his promise and invaded Palestine on a regular basis.

Thank You

God Bless You

Euhm....

Khalifk,

Your going from semi-reasonable to drastically emotional and between the lines radical.

So let me push a button:

[sarcasm on]

In 1967, not a single stone was left unturned.

[sarcasm off]

Khalifk,

who are you addressing?

Your last post, you are trying to say:

I am right, and all you that oppose me are wrong?

USA and its allies should stop financing terrorism and all the country u mentioned will build their own nation, economies will progress.

Until the War mongering attitude of west is not done away there will be no peace.

We will not be the first one to start a conflict but to retaliate we will not leave a single stone unturned

Thank You

God Bless You

QL: You mean that Israel targeted civilians on purpose? Or wasn't Hamas who hided weapons and soldiers on civil buildings?

Please note that in Palestina/Israel conflict, i'm neutral, both sides should be blamed.

Just wondering, why don't palestinians fight Syria, Egypt or Jordania that also stole them territories and even Jordania killed about 30000 palestinians some years ago?

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Save your slang accent for now believe me it will be so usefull when you go back to your home country.

Thank You

God Bless You

It is well known that when people have nothing to say, When you cannot answer allegiate nice.

When you have nothing to say call it finger pointing and mud throwing

When someone makes you speechless dont accept your fault call him uncivilsed

We are not living with misconception about your faith you are spreading virus in our society. I am sendinga loud and clear message.

Thank You

God Bless You

"thousands"?

[quote:] "when was the last time a jew used planes to kill thousands of inocents on purpose?"

January 2009 in Gaza.

"Why a Jew can grow his beard in order to practice his faith.

But when Muslim does the same, he is an extremist and terrorist! "

Stereotype, besides, when was the last time a jew used planes to kill thousands of inocents on purpose or when was the last time a jew blowed up a train full of innocents?

Like i stated previouslly, we, muslims, are allowing that some extremists give bad name to Islam.

"Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God.

But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed. "

A nun can't get married or have sex relatons since she made the castity vote.

"When a western women stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected because of sacrificing herself and doing good for the household?

But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated"! "

How many western women do you know that do it? Women nowadays like to be independent.

In the west a woman that doesn't work and lives at her husband expenses is called a parasite.

"Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom?

But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university! "

Probably they wont allow girls to take crucifix or the star of David.

"When a child dedicates himself to a subject he has potential.

But when he dedicates himself to Islam he is hopeless! "

Islam, christianism, and any other religion.

"When someone sacrfices himself to keep others alive, he is noble and all respect him.

But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist! Why? Because he is a Muslim! "

Someone that sacrifices himself doesn't mean to take the life of inocents.

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

If you get answers, please do not be offended.

-Why a Jew can grow his beard in order to practice his faith. But when Muslim does the same, he is an extremist and terrorist!

Well that you have to thank Osama and some others for. It is the global marketing of Muslims through aggressive looking terrorists that has caused a negative image among common westerners, I have never seen Jewish long-beards yell and scream against the West declaring Jihad, issuing fatwa's. Like I said yesterday, the fault lies with your own, not with the west.

- Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God. But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed.

A nun is a more a profession, she can CHOOSE. Nobody has forced it upon her. While your culture by design and default dictates what a female should be. Big big difference.

- When a western women stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected because of sacrificing herself and doing good for the household? But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated"!

Since when can common females over here or in Saudi drive a car? Since when can a common female be active in politics without being judged, ignored, yelled at?

And who says we judge females for staying at home? We, IF we judge, judge oppression as a whole which usually is about the lack of rights and the status.

- Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom? But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university!

Adjust to where you are. In Saudi (and most of the sharia countries) a female expat has to REALLY REALLY be careful in public. So, why should a Muslima in a Christian country not adhere to the local customs? You are not being reasonable at all. Governments dictate the rules, mostly this is in line with demand coming from the public, hence... this must have been a needed step. People do not like it, leave.

"When a Christian or a Jew kills someone religion is not mentioned, but when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to trial!"

Bullshit. When somebody kills out of extremism, surely the background is mentioned as it usually relates to a current issue. In the last war Jews and Muslims were named as this is THEIR conflict. Jews have been largely exposed in the last war and have received a lot of negativism from the west. If it is a random killing in any society, mostly the religion is not mentioned. If a news paper says A woman got killed by Mohammed. B or David C. it is likely for Mohammed to be a Muslim, yet David... can be anything. So start being more creative with naming your children and this problem will be solved :-P (just kidding)

-When there is a trouble we accept any solution? If the solution lies in Islam, we refuse to take a look at it"

If a solution lies in Christianity/Humanism/Bhudism/Hinduism, would you accept it? NO. So why ask?

-But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist! Why? Because he is a Muslim!

Wow, you are trying to justify suicide attacks. Amazing!! About the Palestinian conflict I will not talk, although I tend to side with the Palestinians, yet I do have some reservations about Hamas.

The last part of your post is bollocks.

Anyway. Waiting for your reply.

*** Light travels faster than sound. That's why most people appear bright until they open their mouths.

that question on here,,,,who would?!

Jewish conspiration, mmyke.

would this have anything to do with anything??

Visit other countries and see your other Muslim brothers and see how they've adapted with the modern society since their forefathers first settled in whilst still practicing their faith and do not think about such stuff.

Or maybe you're just reading too much of those sensational Islamic-related news these days and easily got offended with it.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Their is no need to question and worry because Islam is like a spring the more you press the faster it will be going to bounce back and spread. As it is said the truth cannot be hidden and erased.

It is a world wide conspiration against Muslims steered by the Jews. Is that what you want to hear, khalifk?

khalifk - please quote your source. This is not an original piece.

Two reasons..

One - the Muslims themselves have to step up and improve their image around the globe. They must realise and accept the mistakes they have made.

Second - There is definitely an anti-Islamic agenda. it is driven more by fear, since Islam seems to be growing whilst other religions are on the decline.