Muslims aren't allowed a birthday party?

I guess this is an exciting topic. There was another article posted about it.

Don't let them eat cake, Saudi cleric says

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_birthday_controversy;_ylt=AgjTz6oWEzr43x1eZRuLtRUSewgF

BTW - Mother's Day should be on the day of birth for each child she bares, not just one day per year.

And Allah describes them in Surah Baqara verses 6-14

Verse 6:

Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.

Merry can : yes, i understood, that's why i said christians celebrate and not Jesus and his disciples :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Plato,

Zambo was pointing out that Jesus and his disciples never celebrated his birthday, be it Dec 25th or any other day.

What the Christians have come along and done afterwards in the name of their religion then Jesus is in fact free of it and them.

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Isn't that the point that birthdays are all about fun and game and selfish praising. We gain gifts and are the center of attention for a day. Party and all sort of things..

The only problem is that during all of this how much are we worshipping Allah? Do we thank him briefly for having one more day of life in say a few minutes maybe even a fleeting thought. And how low it is to just think so negligantly of Allah who created us and bestowed his blessings upon us.

If one were to look at the two eids they are days of pure worship for are Lord. We spend our times in the mosque (even the women are commanded to attend) and worship our Lord and Thank Him for all the favours he has bestowed upon us.

Would I like to stop that worship for a mere birthday party celebrating selfishly and forgetting my duties. Or would I rather spend my day thanking my Lord by following his commandments, praying, bowing my face and humbling myself before him for giving me one more day to live?

Time is such a precious commodity let us use it while we can!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

Zambo: without intending to attack Islam or anyone else faith, beliefs, i would like to tell you that from my point of view God/Allah's profets are lesser than we all think, i would point only 5 truelly prophets, Moses, John Baptist, Jesus, Mohamed and Gandhi.

The reason why he sent 5, maybe because we are only humans and don't have the capability of understanding the thoughts of such a superior being as God/Allah, so he needed to send his thoughts in parts and choose the less imperfect humans to bring his message.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

its not about its celebration! its about its legallity juridically point of view. The messagers of God is sent to us to mend our lives to give us and show us the right path which is right and which is wrong, and give us the guidance the Islamic deen is already completed and finalized.

we then the later generation has to follow this guidance. it is not about following our forefather or the tradtion of the old. but the correct deeds that is acceptable to God and what had been showed us by his messager.

other wise if we people all our tradion in this world is correct and acceptable to God, then God should have not sent hundreds of prophets and messager. for what?

lets just reflect for awhile.contemplate...

having mentioned that. it's ONE point of view. There are plenty of Muslims who celebrate birthdays anyway.

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zAMBO: Christians celebrate Jesus christ birthday at December 25th, Christmas day.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Well I don't think Islam is that rigid as people make it out to be. I recently celebrated my 34th birthday with lots of fanfare.. In fact I had two bithday parties.. First with my close gal friends and second with family so I cut two cakes for one birthday. I love celebrating my birthday everyyear. In fact many people ridicule me saying I am too old to cut cakes and stuff but I say what the heck.. This one day is just mine and I am the most important person on that day.. People start wishing me at midnight and get so many presents.. Birthdays are fun. I am sure celebrating anniversaries are allowed as well for those who are happily married that is..

well the debate is simply going round in circles.

none of the prophets has celebrated their birthday not even jesus himself (A.S), sorry but thats the fact not even the disciples(note they love Jesus more than any one else).

for the Muslims prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) did not celebrate his Birthday, even his companions who loves the prophet more than any one else did not celebrate his birthday or their own birthdays.Because it has no meaning no good benifit from it.

the Best way to show love 2 the Prophets is to follow their examples and give salutation to them during our five times prayer. not by means of merry making and lavish celebration.

so if the prophets did not bother to celebrtae why we? are we better in knowledge than them?

What do you want exactly !!!

I did not know that there are people like you that malice and Deceptions.

Stop Air poisonous fumes in the center of speech

Islam is about righteousnes....evrything anything should lead to righteousness...

muslim must take example from the prophet tradition not from anything that has paganism and aethiesm origin...like birthday celebration.

http://www.youtubeislam.com/video/3401/Celebrating-Birthdays

thanks for your suggestions:)

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and such a 'breath of fresh air'! Please don't ever change. Great to hear from you and just in the nick of time too! If you hadn't arrived, to make us all smile, we were about to get even MORE serious about something which really disappears into insignificance when I read your words about loving us all and your body being 'only suitable to China weather'. :D

Really wish you LOTS of luck with your present venture - come back to visit us soon!

Hugs

hi, intresteing thread. hope to see more:)

all the best to you!

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Hi, how are you?

just saw your three nickname for me in fimaliar sense.

I have started my new job in BJ China after i left Doha.

For now, I work for an American IT/Gas&Oil company as a Sr. consultant for APAC. I am luck to visit some cityies in APAC, such as Singapore and Tokyo.

I like here as my e-homeland because Doha gave me English practice & good international experiences. Englishmen,Indian,Arabac,Italian,Turkish...seem to me wonderfully when I saw some people same to them. I miss the life in Doha sometimes.While my body is only suitable to China weather.

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oh, ok then......

“And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path”

Chapter 6 al-An’aam : verser 153

Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours that is not part of it will have it rejected.

“Whoever does any deed that is not part of this matter of ours will have it rejected (muslim)

Oryx I think you have perfectly highlighted the differences in cultures and in fact in my opinion sealed the thread. In the west celebrating b/ds is a tradition and I can understand (and respect) why you would consider it 'dreadful' if a child is 'banned' from attending one. But b/ds are NOT part of the muslim tradition and therefore I hope you can appreciate not something we attach much value to.

After all this, conclusion should be, to Caeser what belongs to Caeser and to God what belongs to God

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

As Abu pointed out some Christians dont celebrate b days.

Johovahs Witnesses.... and I think it is far worse...because in western society bday parties play an important part of a kids social life.

I knew a family like this in UK... and their kids were banned from attending Bday parties....

I thought that was dreadful...

The same used to be said about Catholic countries when I was a wee lass growing up. They were nearly always the poorest countries - some still are I guess.

Well, whatever, I hadn't expected this thread to take off the way it did - must be something in the air ;)

Take care all, and play 'nice' xx

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I think the religious leaders should not fight against red roses and birthday parties but they should speak very loudly against ignorance .

I do not hear that .

Iran's leaders were preaching very loudly about the importance of education .As a result the number of their female university graduates is as high as in Scandinavia .

Education was booming under Arab regimes where religion was not very important .Just look - who the most educated are among the Arabs !

if these leaders wish to promote progress and not backwardness then they should care more about promoting education !

Notfromhere,

It is forbidden by about 10 verses in the Qur'an.

All 10 verses go very similar to one another but I will provide a few.

And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is Severe in punishment. (Al-Hashr 59:7)

And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination. (An-Nisa 4:115)

So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allâh will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. (Al-Baqarah 2:137)

O you who believe! Obey Allâh and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allâh and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. (An-Nisa 4:59)

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Wizz14 you said, "Our Prophet (PBUH) celeberated Moses birth day by instructing follower to keep fasting."

The relevant hadith actually state something other than what you have written.

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet came to Medina and saw the Jews fasting on the day of Ashura. He asked them about that. They replied, "This is a good day, the day on which Allah rescued Bani Israel from their enemy. So, Moses fasted this day." The Prophet said, "We have more claim over Moses than you." So, the Prophet fasted on that day and ordered (the Muslims) to fast (on that day). {SB Volume 3, Book 31, Number 222:}

Further more in another hadith that highlights what many are asking about differing from the non Muslims.

Narrated Abu Musa:

The day of 'Ashura' was considered as 'Id (celebration) day by the Jews. So the Prophet ordered, "I recommend you (Muslims) to fast on this day." {SB Volume 3, Book 31, Number 223:}

i.e., fast and do not celebrate....

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

I find your justification for deleting supernurse comment a bit confusing.

your comment was :"mod note: if you do not have anything constructive to add please do not comment"

I really wonder. which comments are constructive? hardly 5% are considered constructive and the rest are nonsense

In my opinion, there is no consistency in the rules followed by this site moderators and their justificatios which is confusing to us

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I agree what alma said:

"So if people followed the words of Qu'ran they would be the most educated ones in the world .The sad thing is that they are not . .. though they think they are good muslims" .

Thats what happening now. they don't follow Qur'an abd Hadith.... Accept everything from the modern world and trying to put an islamic label on that... Like the brithday celebrations..... tight dresses...etc...

oops!

((Seek knowledge even if in China (i.e. even as far away as China))). Fabricated; “Al-Mawdoo’at” by ibn Al-Jawzi (1/215), “Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo’at” (111), and “Al-Fawaid Al-Majmoo’a” (852).

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

hadith? will you post it here Pls

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I do agree - this practice is silly - but not without logic !

My child was taught here that the China hadith is weak .

Following the Qu'ran one should pray for more knowledge . All of it is true .

So if people followed the words of Qu'ran they would be the most educated ones in the world .The sad thing is that they are not . .. though they think they are good muslims .

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I personally know people who think that it is OK to be illiterate -just because it is taught that the Prophet could not read and write .

Do not expect these people to know the Qu'ran well .

But look at the horrifying literacy statistics in some Arab countries - and you will see that this is a common belief ..

Come on Alma..... What are you talking????

The First word or Holy Qur'an revealed to Prophet(SAW) was about reading..... And regarding knowledge/learning, Prophet(SAW) said to go to China(then that was bit difficult to go to that far) for learning/obtain knowledge....

Innovations means, the new things related to the religion, religious prayers and practices which were not taught/followed by Prophet(SAW)and his Sahaba(RA). It is not like that as tallg said that you can't drive a Car as it was not done by Prophet(SAW). Innovations are not allowed related to the religious matters as it will destabilize the religion and the people will be mislead as the people of other Holy books prior to The Holy Qur'an.....

Good Morning!

Would like to add that, when we celebrate birthdays, we do it mostly as a way to have most of our friends together, presents are irrelevant, i mean for older people over 25 years not to kids, children always have their birthday parties :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

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Some senior Muslims refuse the idea of learning how to read and write because they were told the Prophet could not read and write so they do not want to do "innovations" ,either .

That's where this "no innovation" concept leads .

Ok, thanks for expanding and clarifying.

tallg...the concept of birthdays existed 1400 yrs ago but the Prophet (pbuh) and the early muslims did not celebrate it. So whether some muslims are celebrating b/ds, valentines days,etc, is really not important. The issue here is what is permissible in Islam and not what some muslims are doing.

Innovations that are not allowed in Islam are those that add to the religion. Cars, tall buildings, big macs :-) don't fall in to this category of innovation as these are just indication of man's technological progress in mode of transport, living space and style of food.

SheDeBabe - maybe I was taking your comment too literally then. To me it implied that Muslims shouldn't adopt anything that wasn't part of the lifestyle of that time, like driving cars!

Salmamohd - hard to understand what you're saying, but it seems that you're upset and abusive because you think people are knocking your religion, when in reality we're just discussing it and trying to learn about it. Try to write so we can understand, then perhaps people will engage you in conversation.

we should asked what kind of birthday "party" is implied in the article. I think what is implied is "grandiose" or outrageous parties.

Birtdate is a civil thing and the only religious thing about is, one has to celebrate it to give thanks to the Lord God/Allah for all the blessings received in the past one year after the last birthdate.

Birthday should be celebrated to thank Him first and not just to throw-up outlandish birthday party that in some extent made one to commit sins rather that praising God/Allah.

Just like what Speed said, one has to think good ways and reasons for celebrating birthdays. Of course, Speed "go" for charity or sharing your blessings to other to commemorate your birthday. Like sort of "charity party" as a birthday party.

Me, I raised my kids teaching them the essence of one's birthday, that is, a blessing from Above that in spite of this world present situation, God/Allah has still safely delivered us in our every day's life and had the chance to reach our birthday.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

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My father-in law used to throw parties to their children every time they managed to read fully the Qu'ran .He made parties full of cakes,sandwiches ,baloons and friends , full of joy and cheers .

Though such kind of parties were not registered in the sunnah books .

Do you think he was a sinner for creating new ideas and new reasons for celebrating ?

I think he was a great man, a great teacher and a great muslim .

Its rite dat Quran is Allah's Book but it doesn meanz dat u shouuldn follow wats n it n just keep doing wat ur mind say......gals n guys if u cant speak n e tng good about someone's religion den u hve no rite to say n e tng wrong dats suck n ur mind....Muslim's do Respect wats n Quran n if n e one doesn believes it den u better don call urself muslim n even u don hve n e right to say its CRAP...better look into urself frst n den speak dis Shit....

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If you let your great days to be commercialized then it is your fault .

It can happen to any celebrations to the Ramadan and to Eid to go wrong direction .

Personally ,I celebrate every month my baby was born - and we do not buy anything to celebrate !

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The Qu'ran is the only book which is considered to be God's words . All the other laws and proverbs are made and collected by humans .

Why we are not celebrating the birth hour. It also comes once in a day. Why we can't take start a new day at that moment???? These celebrations all are the creation for making business.... Now you can see most of the days are considered as some "special days" like mothers day, fathers day.....Why do you want a special day to show your love and affection to your parents??? I

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Nobody said it is forbidden to be grateful every day -and it is not opposed to the yearly celebrations !

Plus it is written in the Qu'ran how important measuring time is - that God has given us for that the Sun and the Moon .Why not to measure your own lifetime ?

I'm not that clever brit!

SheDBabe - at the risk of starting an argument and going off topic - clearly what you say doesn't hold true. You only have to look around the modern city of Doha to see that people have adopted many new methods and lifestyles.

I can understand what Abu said not imitating rituals that aren't from Islam, but I'm not buying that Muslims don't "innovate" (which is the wrong word I think, adapt and adopt is better, but anyway).

Hope you're not manouvering to prove that "birthdays" are a non religious celebration.. Cause that would open up a whole new can of worms..

Why don't we just put this thread to bed..

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In the Qu'ran it is written that all the good things are allowed , it's written that we should use our mind , and that God is especially angry with those who forbid things that God has never forbidden !

In my view this kind of sad attempt to separate the Muslims from the rest of the world brought already enough misery for the Muslims .

My Arab and Muslim relatives consider birthday celebration a childish game -and they throw parties only for kids .

But many of them do not even know their exact birthday as registration was not always common thing in the Arab world 50 years ago !

I keep telling them : What is a birthday about ? A way of thanksgiving and it is a must - you must be grateful for what you got !

Thanks for the clarification Abu. That seems pretty hard to misinterpret. So perhaps it's a question of whether celebrating birthdays is considered a Christian/Jewish thing to do. Would it be ok for Muslims to celebrate Birthdays if it wasn't considered part of another religion?

Is it about different interpretations of the Quran, or is it about whether celebrating birthdays makes "Muslims like followers of other faiths"?

Firstly, this article was taken from a local newspaper The Gulf Times so I guess that makes it a newspaper with an interest in Islamic news.

Secondly, "cleric Salman Al Awdah told viewers during a television show last week that celebrating birthdays and wedding anniversaries was not against Islam, sparking a debate in the kingdom"

So the views of this cleric were that Birthdays are OK to celebrate, which means there IS room for debate as to whether it is unIslamic or not to hold celebrations on landmark days in ones life.

It's one Muslim's opinion of how to interpret the Quran against anothers. This wasn't a non-Muslim criticising it was another Islamic Cleric.

notfromhere; I think this paragraph from the original post may answer your question;

Grand Mufti Abdul Aziz Al Shaikh said celebrating such events would make Muslims like followers of other faiths including Jews and Christians

So it looks like it isn't forbidden by the Quran, but because other religions do it Muslims shouldn't (according to some people).

So that raises the question; why is it considered bad for Islam to adopt things from other religions?

best to be an atheist then you can celebrate anything you like!!!wahey!!

Abu, Gypsy and Plato

U guys need to cut some slack, I think I'll have to take u guys to a stereo type stand up comedy night some day lol... we'll get Martin Lawrance, Russel peter and Azhar Usman... then when everyone is calm we'll go and have some sheesha and talk about something else other than hate, u guys are awesome as individuals (I dont know about plato, still in a little doubt) but Abu and Gypsy, come on u both are amazing people in person. If you guys do this argument thing for entertainment, then its fine, but dont take it personal on one another, for the love of god.

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Jeez, you guys do have a way of getting carried away! I was reading to see the answer to the question about whether the Quran actually forbids celebrations, but no one ever answered it.

Is it written that such celebrations are forbidden, or is that just one interpretation? As jauntie noted, one of the sheikhs stated that it's NOT against Islam.

Anyone??????

And btw, who cares if someone does or does not celebrate birthdays? His choice.

Judging by some of the behaviors that so many QLers love to brag about in this forum, I'd say there are plenty of "Christians" out there who are doing some rather un-Christian things, but I don't see any threads that rake THEM over the coals!

Salma do u know how to belly dance ???

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Salax: 1 century ago you couldn't go to the moon and now you can, ;)

We are living on a globalized planet, no one is alone anymore, all that's needed is time.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Abu - Hey, I'm not one to run from a fight :D, but I've learnt to bail once arguments get beyond things I fully understand. I haven't the patience to sit there googling and wikipedia-ing things to try and keep up.

...there are some on both sides that like to bait and provoke reactions for the thrill of it!

Others however are just ignorant of many things and just wish for a better understanding!

There are too many factions that would prefer people to fight and not talk out differences! From your posts I know that both you and Gypsy are intelligent and educated! Sometimes, it's just about showing some people different points of view!

I've done that for years in the UK. Remember, both my older brothers are muslim.

Often it can turn nasty, but remember, we are fighting for the same thing, compassion and understanding, regardless of religion.

"Often it can turn nasty, but remember, we are fighting for compassion and understanding, regardless of religion."

Fully agree with you.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

:-)

it's a website in a muslim & arabic country and it is so sad that its main theme is bashing Islam.

Thanks QT. Appreciate you not ridiculing me for a simple typo ;-)

Well we are in an Islamic country Abu, so it makes sense there are more posts about Islam. And there have definitely been some Jew hate threads.

And for what it's worth you weren't in my mind when I wrote "usual suspects".

I'm not religious, so tend not to get involved in the religious threads. If I do it's usually to try and find something out, cos I am interested to learn about things I don't understand (and I strongly disagree with those who say that you can't contribute to a religious thread if you're not religious or haven't read the relevant holy text). However, the thread usually turns into an argument and I bail out. When people start getting truly nasty with each other I tend to feel a witty comment wouldn't go down to well, though I'm often tempted.

7aasebToua3: There isn't 1 religion that is perfect because only God/Allah is perfect, but we are all free of choosing our own beliefs, what's bad is when we try to impose our choices over others.

All religions have good and bad things, we just need to choose 1 or not, the remaining will come from our own society and the way we live.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Gypsy said "is Qur'an against using my brain and be racional?"

Yes,yes it is. As are all religions and religious texts.

Why do you always insult people's religions?

Do you eat with this dirty mouth of yours?

lol

btw, bating or baiting?

...I think Moslems are having a conflict with other Moslems.

Weird.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Agreed brit, but unfortunately I don't think you'll ever convince the "usual suspects" to stop their baiting of each other. Religious and non-religious. As bad as each other.

I fully agree with Brit.

Thanks QT, i'll try to be more specific regarding my posts to prevent some misunderstandings

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

I totally agree with brit. We should respect other beliefs or religion just like we want them to respect ours. And I think this tread is going no were with this kind of discussion.

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A healthy man is a successful man.

Japanese Proverb

"A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches"-- (Proverbs 22:1)

...but discusions of religion often bring out the worst in people!

Please stop looking at me as if i would be an image of yourself, you contradict yourself so many times that i already lost count.

Most of my muslim brothers at forum know that i never attacked Islam, i may disagree but still respect, only those that are intolerant see my opinions as an attack.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Religion is a very personal thing. If a person takes an action because of his beliefs, then as long as that action is not harmful to others - it should not bother us.

We all have differing viewpoints on things.. That's what makes us individuals and what makes discussions on QL so much fun.

Lambasting each other's religions is not the way to discuss and understand issues..

...as you do sometimes run off at a tangent!

You DO NOT however need to justify your spelling! We all make typos, and English IS NOT your 1st language!

Sometimes i write too fast and make errors, but i'm not being formal here.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

seam......isn't that something in dressmaking?? Ahh Platao36 how educated you are compared to the rest of QL that can actually spell.............twat

Supernurse: lol

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Yes, i agree with gypsy, Osama Bin Laden is more tolerant, but of course, he had education, something that you seam to have lack of.

No Abu, i wont bring my girlfriend to this subject, you are the obsessed one, not me, one day you'll see the light and will come out from that cave where you live or at least your brain lives.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

and the beauty of all things is the invention of 'cut and paste' praise be to cut and paste........errr...yes...ahem

ABU for FSake he never said anything about dry humping his girlfriend in public. He wants to know about kissing and holding hands. Really I think Osama Bin Laden could teach YOU more about tolerance.

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I think that King Abdulah will suceed on his intentions and

"I have a dream, that one day...." all humans will walk side by side and keeping their own diversity at same time.

I agree with Alexa when she says that's just a new celebration, never related it with religion.

Novita: Aging complex? ;) Just kidding :)

Alexa: Where did i go wrong now? I have seen here, some muslims admiting that birthday has nothing to do with religion, it's just a celebration of 1 more year that has passed for us.

Jauntie: Yes, we are always leurning new things every day, i have been leurning to with folks here :)

Abu: Don't worry i would meet you anytime, i always love to meet people from different cultures, even the most primitive people, that's how we can teach them tolerance and respect and in the end they'll understand us better.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Ditto. :)

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Read it. Thought it was full of crap. The more time I spend on this site listening to the people who like it, the more I realize I was right.

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"is Qur'an against using my brain and be racional?"

Yes,yes it is. As are all religions and religious texts.

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I think its a bloody good idea not to celebrate birthdays

1: you don't have to remember to buy a card

2: The memory of being one year older is depressing

3: you won't get pissed off if someone forgot

4: you don't have to think what to buy for a pressie

5: you don't have an excuse to get plastered and embarass yourself once a year!

lol, i wont even bother to reply some stuff was just posted, but it's nice to know that i need to read Qur'an to be able to have my own opinion, is Qur'an against using my brain and be racional?

"Do upon others what you would like they did to you"

Jesus Christ

No reference to this expression on the Qur'an?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

I don't think anyone's disrespecting any one else's views or religion. People are just trying to understand the idea behind not celebrating birthdays, as it's a strange concept to some of us.

i dono wat u guys have n ur mind...its like its isnt abirthday party its like u guys gettin one more year to live........

Sucks to be you then.

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wats happenin...well its as simple as dat its not allowed n islam to celebrate ur birthday so i don fink dat its a big deal.....der r many things n each n evry religion dat r said not to b done n u guys r not doing den y evrytym i see islam is stated sometng very different r u guys have neva seen...celebrating ur birthday isnt a big deal if u really like to party r gather so u can just call ur frnds n all to ur home r somewhere else n can have a gatherin....n as u guys have mentinoed dat after years dis n dat u won b able to live wd ur wife n all [you'll be banned if you continue swearing] ...Islam isnt changing its da ppl who just get into other religions n do wrong thngs n due to dem ppl like yew say sometng like dis about islam......guys n gals if u cant Respect someone's Religion u have no right to make it an issue....

Down with birthdays. Down with Any and all holidays. Down with Candy and anything sweet. We should never ever have fun ever. Every moment that you spend not on your knees in prayer is a waste.

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to impress our kids

First time I've read your post, I thought it pronounced 'Wannabe'.

No pun intended, ok?

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Speed where did you get such a strange idea?

The Taliban are Wahabis now?

It is funny that I have never met a single Muslim who calls them self a Wahaabi....

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Janey and Novita, I went there for a little bit cuz a friend wanted to go and not drive, thats y I left early too, had some issues on getting inside. Novita I am trying dont worry.

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yes - different sections of Islam have different ideas on birthdays.

TCOM - apparently is is haram in Sunni-speak to celebrate even the Prophet Mohammed's birthday ..

"2 – Celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allâh be upon him) is an imitation of the Christians, because they celebrate the birth of the Messiah (peace be upon him). Imitating them is extremely harâm. The hadîth tells us that it is forbidden to imitate the kuffâr, and we are commanded to differ from them. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allâh be upon him) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (narrated by Ahmad, 2/50; Abû Dâwûd, 4/314). And he said, "Be different from the mushrikîn." (narrated by Muslim, 1/222, no. 259) – especially with regard to things that are the symbols or rituals of their religion".

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/aqeedah/0067.htm

Which is more or less what the Cleric in the above article is saying.

Now THAT is something I didn't know.

This is what is so great about QL - I learn something new almost every day.

If it was not religion then why these so called Islamic Scholars has to involved or to do with the cultural thing?

Abu ... just to remind you that their Ministries are controlled by so called 'Mullas' - Islamic Scholars ..

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Could someone please leave religion out of birthdays, please?

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Could someone please leave birthdays out of religion, please?

It's only a party and a way to gather people, it's perfectly normal.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

I worked and lived in Saudi..

Women do work,,

As for women driving, the scholars there have clearly stated that it is nothing to do with religion, but CULTURE..

Please get the facts right..

Pakistan is a Muslim Country and Government of Pakistan declare holiday on the Birthday of Holy Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), similarly some other Muslim countries such as Iran, and also Majority of Muslims in India Celebrate Birthday of Holy Prophet (In a Islamic manner) ...

As stated in the article above:

"Al Shaikh embodies Wahhabism, the Islamic doctrine that has ruled hand in hand with the Saud family since the kingdom was founded some eight decades ago."

In Wahhabism it is not allowed and also they don't allow women to work or drive a car etc... today it is spread in Afghanistan and Pakistan and other Mulsim Countries their best example is Taliban !!

What I mean to say to my Non Muslim friends that Majority of Muslims are not the same.

Such Celebrations are allowed in Islam but should be done in a way that we don't upset Allah (God)... also we should Thanks to Allah (God) by offering prayers (2 rakat) for giving us healthy life .. if possible distribute food or money to poor and needy people and give Saadaka.

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heero ... you surely knows how old i am ... it is obvious :)

Xonic ... dont tell me you were out in the bar last night, i still recalled that you said you going to be a good boy and stop to go to a bar. :)

Xonic ... i dont do birthday

So nobody will notice how old you are. LOL

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Thexonic:. Where were you last night? I arrived late!

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Xonic ... we will see :P

Novita, well then we will have to do it for u :D

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Xonic ... i dont do birthday :P I will be more than happy celebrate anyone's birthday except mine ! :P

Abu ... you washing hair? With a hair like yours surely you only need 5 mins to wash it. Lol.

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Novita, I wanna celebrate ur birthday :D

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Abu ... if you dont celebrate your birthday, will you celebrate someone's else birthday?

How about if someone inviting you to their place for party for whatever reason. Birthday, anniversary, baby shower ???

Please dont think i am looking for an argument, it is just interesting to know. At least for me :)

did you know that origin of birthdays.

check these sites out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_birthday_celebrations

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Birthday celebrations are actually rooted in paganism.

The Encyclopedia Americana (1991 edition) states: �The ancient world of Egypt, Greece, Rome, and Persia celebrated the birthdays of gods, kings, and nobles.� Authors Ralph and Adelin Linton reveal the underlying reason for this. In their book The Lore of Birthdays, they write: �Mesopotamia and Egypt, the cradles of civilization, were also the first lands in which men remembered and honoured their birthdays. The keeping of birthday records was important in ancient times principally because a birth date was essential for the casting of a horoscope.�

So, there is a direct connection between the Pagan practice of birthday celebrations and astrology.(horoscopes and fotune telling)

Notice what the Bible says about astrology and fortune telling at Isaiah 47:13-15: "�You have grown weary with the multitude of your counselors. Let them stand up, now, and save you, the worshipers of the heavens, the lookers at the stars, those giving out knowledge at the new moons concerning the things that will come upon you. �Look! They have become like stubble. A fire itself will certainly burn them up. They will not deliver their soul from the power of the flame. There will be no glow of charcoals for people to warm themselves, no firelight in front of which to sit down. �Thus they will certainly become to you, with whom you have toiled as your charmers from your youth. They will actually wander, each one to his own region. There will be no one to save you."

Not surprisingly then, the ancient Jews did nt celebrate birthdays, regarding them as Pagan.

Also, The World Book Encyclopedia states: �The early Christians did not celebrate His [Christ�s] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone�s birth to be a pagan custom.��Volume 3, page 416.

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Anas (ra), a companion of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) reported that when the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) migrated from Makkah to Madinah, the people of Madinah used to have two festivals. On those two days they had carnivals and festivity. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) asked the Ansaar (the Muslims of Madinah) about it. They replied that before Islam they used to have carnivals on those two joyous days. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) told them: 'Instead of those two days, Allah has appointed two other days which are better, the days of Eid-al-Fitr and Eid-al-Adha.' (Hadith)

Hadith - Reported by an-Nasaa'ee (3/188).

"… The most truthful speech is the Book of Allaah. The best way is the way of Muhammad. The worst of affairs are the novelties and every novelty is an innovation and every innovation is misguidance and every misguidance is in the Fire." [Saheeh according to Sheikh al-Albaanee in Saheeh Sunan in-Nasaa'ee (no. 1487)]

What does religion have to do with birthdays, you mean?

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Although I love celebrating birthday's and anniversaries I know some people who don't and they're not Muslim. And I understand AbuAmerican's perspective.

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Jauntie, lol may be u can say that... or may be i've been missin u :(

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You been on that sheesha again?

I've TOLD you about keeping off that stuff before! lol

Point taken. I was just interested to know if you celebrated birthdays or not. Thanks for answering!

in next 2 years u wont be allowed to speak to ur wife in public, then in next 2 years u wont be able to have sex with ur wife, then after those 2 years u wont be able to live under the same roof as ur wife, then after 2 years they will build dorms for men and women and demolish all the houses and buildings.

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"Media savvy cleric Salman Al Awdah told viewers during a television show last week that celebrating birthdays and wedding anniversaries was not against Islam, sparking a debate in the kingdom and prompting the Mufti to weigh in."

Salman Al Awdah was NOT agaist celebrating - it was the other cleric who 'weighed in' and and critised Al Awdah.

Also in that article:

"Awdah, who follows a relatively softer line, is widely believed to be favoured by circles close to King Abdullah.

The monarch has repeatedly said that Saudi Arabia needs reforms"

So If it's good enough for the King of KSA and his favoured cleric, what's the problem.

Where in the Koran does it say that celebrating your birthday means you are following another religion?

Abu - I'm not questioning your decision (or asking for a brief history of your life!!!). You choose your way of life, I choose mine. And my way of life means that I find the thought of someone not celebrating a Birthday saddening. That's a reflection on my life choices though, not yours. There are lots of aspects of Islam that sadden me, but equally there a lots of aspects of all walks of life that sadden me.

Meeting people from different cultures in NOT restricted in Islam .. but adopting Non-Islamic values is.

Birthdays, being one of such tradition.

We have our two Eids...to celebrat and enjoy in a year.

Never Ask for a SMILE..just GIVE it..

"otq said Juantie why did the article ...

Juantie why did the article make you raise an eyebrow?"

It was just a 'turn of phrase' otq. All I meant was that the article caught my eye (it WAS on the front page, after all lol)

I'm not sure how 'newly invented' celebrating ones birth is, but I DO think it's worthy of a celebration of life, if nothing else.

In the UK the Queen sends a telegram to anyone who gets to the ripe old age of 100 - it's an achievement and, again, worthy of a celebration.

And anyway, what is wrong with an excuse to have fun? Good news is better than bad news, and celebrating another birthday is far better than the alternative! ;)

Just my thoughts.

Abu ... i see. Thank you for clarifying.

Why is it sad not celebrating b/d? :-)

Ppl around the world celebrate many different occasions/festivals which you and Abu (or me) perhaps dont celebrate. Doesnt mean we are missing out...you have your festivals and Abu has his. right?

SheDBabe ... next time i meet you again that would be my first question to ask ! Lol. Back to the thread now ...

SheDBabe ... spill the bean ! How old r you now ? Lol !

IMO.. birthdays should be celebrated to welcome another year into our lives!

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I'm not questioning it britexpat, I was just interested to know. It's entirely his choice how he chooses to lead his life.

Of course there are far worse things to miss out on Abu, but I still find it sad. I don't see what harm can come from celebrating a birthday, but that's obviously a result of the differences in the way we were brought up.

Juantie why did the article make you raise an eyebrow? The sheikh is only stating the widely held view amongst muslim scholars based on evidence from the Quran and the Prophet's (pbuh) sayings...the two sources we use to live our lives.

The issue is not that birthdays are not allowed but that ALL newly invented matters (including celebrations) are equally not allowed. These are considered to 'muddy' the original message as happened with previous revealed religions. It's called quality control :-).

Abu ...

Does your kid/s ever feel missing out not having their own birthday party? My son going to be 7 this year. And throughout the year kids in his class or sometimes outside his class inviting him non stop for birthday party. And he always excited to have his own party.

If you dont believe in birthday party for whatever reason, what would be your reaction if someone outside the family giving your kid/s or your a birthday presents? Would that be acceptable?

This coming birthday ... he asked for birthday party and play station 3. Me and my husband putting our foot down. He have to choose either party or play station. He cant have both!

To each his own.. If he believes that his way is correct, and as long as he doesn't hurt others, then who are we to question ?

Wow! No offense, but I find that saddening :(

Abu ... do you celebrate your kids birthday?

So AbuAmerican, are you saying that you don't condone the celebration of birthdays, and don't celebrate your own?

ur rhyt dweller...sry Diamond....

Fun Killers :(

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I just happened to see this article on the front page of The Gulf Times, where it was spread out on the table in the lobby, as I was leaving Ramada pool this morning and it made me raise an eyebrow (or two), so for the sake of nothing better to do I raked it up off the internet.

Actually, if you read the article through you will see this Grand Mufti Abdul Aziz Al Shaikh bloke isn't exactly King Abdullah's favourite cleric ! I'm sure King A loves birthday parties like we all do.

Hey diamond! Yes - I love your wicked sense of humour. Abu she is one, regular Muslima dudette! :D

You can't teach experience...

You didn't need to make that comment!

Does that make you a Libran too!

I shan't be here for your birthday, but hope to celebrate mine before I leave for the UK. Mine is on 8 October :D

pff! which of sense of humour!

Diamond, I don't know you but I'm in doubt what ur saying above ^.^

You can't teach experience...

Apology accepted. Yes, you are right. I am a very nice person.

Now, don't go offending me again. I usually put a bullet in the back of the head the second time.

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Abu American, it is your opinion that I have odd ideas. I may feel the same way about you but that doesn't necessarily mean that either of our ideas are odd.

My post was specifically directed at Jauntie who posted the thread...she knows my sense of humour.

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Abu American, I don't think you know me well enough to make to make comments like that. That's offensive to me.

Just because I don't agree with what you or someone else may say about a particular point in Islam does not suggest that I wish I was not a Muslima.

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brit ... Muslims got normally two edis or occasions to celebrate, whatever else is not valid ...

Anyway, I don't know what is the big deal with birthdays .. just another day that makes you realize ... I wasted another year or i'm 1 year older ...

Cheers everyone and ... forget about Islamic & Christianity topics in the love of god ..

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

Kelly: ahahahahahahahah, don't think so ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Cannot join. will be on vacation at that time

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lol Brit.

But i agree when Coffee says that birthday has nothing to do with religion.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

what about beach parties? are they allowed or no not never noway?

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You can't teach experience...

Ahhh britexpat, haven't u learnt anything on QL? Everyday is religious argument day :P

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

Ah the fun police again. This is ridiculous...again.

Take no notice.

P.S. When's your birthday J?

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Its Friday.. Do we really need to get into another religious discussion ??

Eeehhhhhhhhh???

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What has Birthday got anything to do with religion

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