Lebanon discriminates Palestinians

STFU man. I need not be a politician especially when i wanna make a point and give real examples. I am getting sick and tired of people like you who just wanna play the Mr nice guy in EVERY single discussion.

and yeah you are another cool one with your Bernard Berenson liner. You play the role of the wise guy and wise guy you're not.

If you have nothing to say about the topic, then just say nothing you meat headed retard.

you solved the problem quagmire, you got to be a very good politician my friend, and I think we have to thank you for that, just read my signature and I think your brilliancy will guide you through..... am out of this thread.

Palestinians should be thankful and kiss leb buttholes in spades for what lebs did for them over the years.

I mean look in Qatar for instance, why do you think they are stopping Jordanians (mostly Palestinian people) from coming here? these dude are crooks in most cases and not all..

Now in lebanon? OK so Palestinians own guns within their camps which is against the leb law, live and never pay rent, steal electricity and never pay bills and should get paid like lebs and own properties?

HOw about they just call Lebanon Palestine?

I feel bad for them not having a country but enough is enough.. why make others suffer if you are suffering especially if those others have no power to help themselves.

Saad, but the post is ABOUT 2 particular nationalities..

I just wonder. Where is NIC? He posted this article and POUF...disappeared

You can't blame a particular nationality...... Discrimination is all over the world.......

Interesting reading, East or West, home is the best. Palestinians have the right to return.Some of the Palestinians who reside in Arab countries are very pragmatic, which I can understand, If you don't have home, then money is your home.At the same time I can't blame Lebanon, you can't use a sling shot against my hostile neighbour from my backyard. Usually large displaced groups aren't welcomed anywhere.

from britexpat's link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/24/middleeast-palestinian-territories

"Historically, Lebanese citizens have declared that naturalising Palestinians will act as a disincentive to their eventual repatriation and the exercise of their inviolable right of return.

While Israel absorbs its Jewish refugees, the Arab nations do not absorb Palestinian ones. The above statement is the answer to why the Palestinians plight is so poor.

Every other country around the world since WWII has had to do something with the displaced and refugees that arrive. "

As I said earlier, most of the Arab governments are afraid / suspicious of the Palestinians - especially after their support of Saddam Hussain during the first Gulf War.

As an aside, the following article may be of interest :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/24/middleeast-palestinian-territories

The Zionist state is objecting the Palestinian right of return, Lebanon and the rest of the Arab have no room for them, because they already have enough internal issues. Even Europe/North America is turning off the immigration tap,so why should Lebanon naturalise them ? how big is Lebanon to accommodate extra inhabitants ? Israel should let them back, but this won't happen, You can easily immigrate to Israel if you are a Russian who has no ties to that region, but you can't return to your home which you had to evacuate under the Zionist gangs aggression. As usual the UN can't enforce none of the resolutions concerning this matter, you guess why !!!

Hmm, could it be that Lebanese from the North and Beirut look at this different than Lebanese from the South?

accepted, and we Lebanese do come from the same earth remember that (50% and 50%)

to let you know......LOL

that's QL spirit!

thanks to both of you!

i din't mean it to be personal. But believe me when i say, we had enough of all what is hapening in our country because of all this.

In any case, if offended, I appologize

was a personal one fadi, anyways thank you very much...

and being ignorant is not the crime, but knowing and not doing anything that would be a ....... Whatever !!!!!

it will be more fun as per some of the QLers "sharing is caring"

and please let go this subject, it is a bad influence one I started fighting in my office. LOL they are all Americans

and I am blaming them for every bad comments I see on QL (non of them is a QLER)

Does it have two toilets , so that my neighbour can use it ?

Blood, I dont need history lessons neither from you nor from anybody else. I know my history very well, but as you said '' you can be as ignorant as you were a year ago''

I am in MY HOUSE, in MY LIVING ROOM...in the middle of the room...and i am using it as a toilet (big loo)!

I know: I am stupid, I am nerd, wrong,idiot to do this in my own living room instead of toilet but IT'S MY HOUSE!

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Now, your neighbor wants also to sh!t in your living room!

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What do you do?

I think you don't know me thats why am gonna just tell you that I am in the middle of this sh** your talking about, and we can not blame only the Palestinians for all of what happened in Lebanon Lebanese are to be blamed for whatever they have done wrong, please spare me that chit chat about what you have been doing for them, read your history in the right way and then talk, Palestinians were as good for Lebanese as they were to them. Please take it or BEAT IT.

blood, you cant immagine how delecate this issue is for lebanese. We gave all we can, and we are asked to give more on a daily basis, so there should be a time to say enough. A joke, i can handle but its the blame that i will not

kbaisi thank you for the input!

it is a bloody joke man get over yourself DUH!!@!!!

Nic your claim that Qataris of palestinian origins are being discriminated against couldn't be farther from the truth. From the business sector, oil and gas, and health I can think off the top of my head of several key positions held by Qataris of Palestinian origin. You seem to always drag this QA example as a representative of the whole, as others have said to you before and I will say it to you again, it isn't.

Blood!! allow me, you are the one who is blaming

if your buying how much would you pay man?

or you will be waiting for the U.S.A Aid

thats the usual act of blaming ;))

LETS BLAME U.S.A for who ever is even not having a girlfriend LOL

I love American cars..I have 2!

Then...blame me also!

If it is an american car, and a palestinian (or any other nationality) is driving it, and this car gets into an accident and kills somebody... I cannot blame the american car, I blame the driver

Blame USA? I'll buy this too! :)

can start blaming each others for all the wrongful things happening in our lives, and start a burning alive session for each others (usually the weak).

By the way I think we have to blame U.S.A. for that too..... ;)

I'll buy this.

Thanks and bloody regards,

Drac

Most of what you have said is Bloody true, but the only thing I can add to is that the Fatah al Islam the jihadi group were mostly non Palestinians, they have come from other Arab countries (no need to mention, even from Lebanon itself), so the stick goes in and out like everything else in this world.

Thanks ;)

As Brit said earlier, the Arabs don't trust the Palestinians.

you have got to calm down and you can't say that they all are the same, some of them have really done bad things in the same time some of them have contributed in building the country after destroying it......

@ Nic:

- now I have the answer.

"Three years ago, Fatah al Islam, a jihadi group based in the Palestinian refugee camp of Nahr al Bared in northern Lebanon, launched a bloody attack on the Lebanese military. In the next three months, most of the camp was destroyed and dozens of civilians, nearly 200 Lebanese soldiers and several hundred fundamentalist militants – most of them not Palestinians – were killed.

Palestinians did not always have the short end of the stick in Lebanon. Until the 1980s, they enjoyed considerable self-rule. But in the view of most Lebanese, they abused this freedom. Palestinian factions had turned a weak Lebanon into a convenient operational base against Israel, eroding the country’s sovereignty.

During the 1975-1990 civil war, they were active participants, as well as victims. They muddled its politics by aligning themselves with competing domestic factions, sharpening its already combustible sectarian tensions. In 1982, they brought unwanted Israeli wrath on Lebanon in the form of an invasion. The trauma of the civil war and the fact that camps remain outside the authority of the state spawn the belief that Palestinians are a source of instability, extremism and crime as well as a Trojan Horse for outside players."

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100629/OPINION/706289930/1080/NEWS

Enough is enough. Nobody knows what we and our country went through because of the Palestinians. We treated them like family, they betrayed us and tried ti kick us out of our country. This is how and what they did in return. Lebanon has 4 million lebanese people onland and about 700000 palestinians, this is the most that we can do, and the best that we can offer, or else.....

Who knows who am I really they will know that I can answer this question clearly.

The Palestinians have been treated fair and square (mostly), sometimes like everywhere there will be abnormal states, where they are not treated well, for your knowledge so many of them have got a nationality from the Lebanese authorities and are treated like real Lebanese, for the camps issues, yes its hell yet they do not want to get out of there (most of them would not be able to due to poverty, but some of them and I mean some who are really wealthy, and can afford to have better places), for the fact that they are not paying rent and electricity, I think that youngsters do not know how these camps are built in the first place, they actually can ask the oldest about that, the former president (passed away)of the Palestinians Yasir Arafaat (Abu Ammaar) have paid the Lebanese government enough to have these lands for ever, hence these lands are actually a property for the Palestinian government until the world decide what the Palestinian should have decided long time ago, that means no ones mistake is there except them selves who are staying in those camps, they could have left, they could have beat it, but NO the thing of being (WE ARE SO POOR, AND PEOPLE HERE ARE TAKING OFF OUR RIGHTS FROM US); and I do not mean all of them, is there for they can abuse it. So people as usual we have to look from all side to the ball to know which side actually has got the hole.

Dracula,

I also don’t know why but I suspect that the answer lies some where on hypocrisy as they don't walk their talk.

I dont know this!

My question is "WHY?"

Dracula,

Do you know what their rights are even after 3 generations? Some are born here with no travelling documentation as if they are born in no man's land.

Do you know that Qatar Airways does not employ Palestinians? Do you know how Qatar avoids expats from Palestine?

It all looks nice in the media when it comes to defend Palestine but unfortunately, here too, they don't walk their talk.

Qatar gave them a new life here and now ..."shameful approach" of Qatar?

The same shameful approach applies to Qatar.

Among many injustices towards Palestinians in Qatar, no matter how many generations they have been here, they can't even be flight attendants for Qatar Airways!

Some of these Palestinians have been in Lebanon for over 50 years, they deserve to be treated as equals.

I recall a few years ago, Amnesty International took up this issue and reuested the Lebanese government to protect their human rights.

The simple fact is that many "Arab" countries are wary of the Palestinians and do not "trust" them, thus don't want them in their mainstream society.

Queendee...sure, lets do it again...:)

queen is there any justification of qualified Palestinian Docs and scientists not allowed to work in Lebanon? An Ortho surgeon is not allowed to work as a surgeon..all he can do is to prescribe pain killers or put bandage for people in the camp. That makes no sense…

I knew that men are created equal..but countries are not.

drac i didnt disrespect her or anything, i was just stating the fact.

so happy we should do it again dont u think?

Queen dee...sure I remember now (its been so long...)..thats why wanted to check if there was an issue...:)

queen...be a queen please!

He/She said sorry: it's very rare on QL novadays!

Thanks

happygo we did meet in a bar btw :P

epicurean, dont be sorry only the rules of ql would make u apologize but it wont change what u said abt me and what u think of me.

No. Not at all. I was just curious.

Really guys, I am sorry. Perhaps jetlag has clouded my brain to reason.

epicurean...is there a problem in meeting someone in the bar of a local 5 star hotel.

it's not worthy!

Dracula is right. I am new here and I should have followed the rules. I apologize.

queen dee, I'm sorry.

epicurean.. thank you :) u just reminded me of the garbage truck thread that was posted yesterday..so i will just smile and wave as u move on

flor: did you meet in a camp? Or at one of the local 5-star bars for over-priced drinks?

Lol!

lets stop bashing users...:(

stick on the subject, please!

Do you really think someone who calls herself "queen" would frequent a camp like that, flor?

To be fair, we haven't met. But still, I doubt that miss Queen of Lebanon with her fabulously paid job in Doha is going to spend a lot of time hanging out with the great unwashed.

queen dee,

if they are protesting, they must have their reasons:

"The majority of UNRWA-registered refugees live in dire conditions in the camps across and are denied basic civil rights.

Under Lebanese law, Palestinian refugees can not own property or hold most white collar jobs (doctors, engineers, lawyers, architects) and are stuck in low-paid employment. They are also denied social security and medical aid in state hospitals."

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/middle-east/55321-palestinian-refugees-seek-basic-rights-in-lebanon.html

flor coz u wont have to pay rent?! haha

i would rather be in that camp! Lol! Anyone wants to join me? Lol!

:)

All My Respects!

im lebanese, and guys trust me when they say they live in camps it's not like living in a place surrounded by ppl holding guns to their heads with no electricity and water and sleeping on the floor! they live like every1 else but the difference is that it simply is called: CAMPS! they don't even pay rent..and they do have jobs.

and the fact they dont get paid like lebanese..well, im lebanese studied and paid hell for my degree and found a job, why would some1 with no education due to whatever reason it is have a job same as me and get paid similarly? there r good ppl and bad ppl wherever u go in every country.same as here all of us get paid less than a qatari!it's normal.besides we welcomed them in our country due to what is happening to them in their own, and alot of lebanese are married to palestinians and alot i mean alot are friends!at the end of the day no matter what nationality u hold, this is human kind and we should stick together.

It would be interesting to see what the all-caps responder is doing to help the Palestinians...

Good you did that Dracula, We already have one such response with CAPS LOCK regarding it. No serious discussion is possible once the word has been mentioned. Its like playing victim all the time.

Bookmarked:

"once the word Palestine is mentioned, things turn sensitive"

Go to Europe, enjoy the tolerance,fraternity and equality, no discrimination of any kind (religious, colour, race..etc)

They need to go to Europe, it's a free for all over there..oh, and they do not have to work !

At this point, is there any one left who does discriminate against the Palestinians?

what's up! You didn't get my comment, did you?

Egypt discriminates against people living in Gaza. They receive huge aids from USA to support Israel and suppress people of Gaza. They close the border to Gaza very often and do not allow even humanitarian aids. They are now considering iron wall to close tunnels which are life lines for Gazans.

See, I told ya.....once the word Palestine is mentiones, things turn sensitive .....

Dear Hussam

PLESTININAN IS HOLY LAND , WE WILL BACK TO PALESTINE

AFTER THE REAL MEN WILL KICK OUT JEWISH WHO THEY STOLE

OUR LAND , THEN YOU CAN VISIT US THERE

PALESTINE NOT LAND WIHOUT PEOPLE T RECIVE PEPOL WITHOUT LAND

...Many Sudanese living in Egypt make the same claims about not enjoying the same rights as Egyptians do. I guess no one is ever happy anywhere. At least I know I'm one.

Florrrrrrrrrrr wake UP! lolz

Any nationalities apparently experiencing discriminations..whoever you are...no scape! Specifically so called by western...third world countries.

what is to highlight?

Nic, I think I have lived in GCC long enough to think these are normal practice then ......

but I somehow think that whenever the word Palestinian is mentioned, people become oversensitive. Can few nationalities here in Qatar complain that they have been discriminated against locals and get the same type of emotional response?

Qatar is not the right standard to benchmark humanity.

drmana,

You are welcome to Canada to experience something new for you.

Isn't it same everywhere that people of other nationality than their own gets paid less and has work restrictions?

Why would Lebanon give people of other nationality the rights same as Lebanese as long as it is not human rights?

Am I missing something here?