"(...)Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads,[27] Abbasids,[28] and Crusaders over the next six centuries, before falling in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260. In 1516, the Land of Israel became a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the region until the 20th century.[29]"
Abo: So, who's the occupier and who's the occupied?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Realsome: You admiting that the occupation of Israel by the Arab forces is an illegal occupation?
Better read true story books and not what others tell you when they brainwash you.
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"The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since the time of the biblical patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Scholars have placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE.[20] According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the Jews, by God, as their homeland,[21][22] and the sites holiest to Judaism are located there. According to the traditional view, around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Israelite kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years.[23]
Between the time of the Jewish kingdoms and the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule.[24] Jewish presence in the region dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE and the resultant large-scale expulsion of Jews. In 628/9, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius conducted a massacre and expulsion of the Jews, at which point the Jewish population probably reached its lowest point. Nevertheless, a continuous Jewish presence in Palestine remained. Although the main Jewish population shifted from the Judea region to the Galilee,[25] the Mishnah and part of the Talmud, among Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in Israel during this period.[26] The Land of Israel was captured from the Byzantine Empire around 636 CE during the initial Muslim conquests. Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads,[27] Abbasids,[28] and Crusaders over the next six centuries, before falling in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260. In 1516, the Land of Israel became a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the region until the 20th century.[29]"
Based in wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Early_roots)
Did anyone ask for historical references?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Have you ever been shot by a rubber bullet? It fecking hurts like hell.
Rubber bullets are used to control crowds. Their purpose is to hurt without killing.
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This thing hit front-page newspapers and TV in Israel.
The soldier is currently ARRESTED and awaiting trial, and will probably be sent to jail.
A two-star commander that was standing next to him is suspended is also awaiting trial.
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MORE DETAILS :
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Video shows an Israeli soldier firing a rubber bullet at a handcuffed, blindfolded Palestinian man this month in the West Bank, an Israeli human rights group said Sunday.
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Israel's military said it is investigating the July 7 incident, which, according to the military and the rights group, left the Palestinian with a wounded toe.
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The video shows Ashraf Abu Rahma, 27, being held at the arm by an Israeli soldier while another soldier points a gun at Abu Rahma's legs from close range, according to human rights group B'Tselem. The group said Abu Rahma was detained after protesting in Nil'in, a West Bank village near Ramallah.
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The soldier pointing the gun fires, and Abu Rahma flinches, but it's unclear from the video where the man was shot.
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Both the Israel Defense Forces and B'Tselem said Abu Rahma was wounded in a toe and was treated by an IDF doctor before being sent home.
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"The injury was sustained when an IDF soldier fired an anti-riot weapon in close proximity to the detained Palestinian man, who had been arrested for taking part in a violent riot near the village of Nil'in," IDF said in a statement Sunday.
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B'Tselem said a 14-year-old Palestinian girl from Nil'in recorded the incident from her house. B'Tselem published the video on the Internet on Sunday and showed it to the Israeli military.
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Brig. Gen. Avichia Mendelbilt ordered a military police investigation into the incident upon receiving the footage, the IDF's statement said.
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"This was a serious incident in stark violation of the IDF's rules of conduct and safety," the statement said.
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However, IDF spokeswoman Avital Leibovitch stressed that the military questions the credibility of the video. The footage stops right after the gunfire is heard and picks up again with Abu Rahma laying on the ground.
Well thats what i have heard on local media mostly, but doing a google search, well figures vary from 5000/sq KM to 25,000/sq KM, i dunno which is the most accurate.
I will leave it to a palestinian to respond, coz they better knwo the facts than me, but what i do know is that Ghaza and west bank is the most heavily populated place in the world, and even this landed is encroached upon heavily by settlements. New settlements continue to be build. The two places are surrounded by Israel, they stop trade, electricity, water whenever they like to. How can someone think of a future in such a state.
it is endless as usual.. we have exchanged by the same opinions for the tenth time... nothing has changed...
..all they need is just to stop right now and start a normal life for the normal people.. and this new start has nothing to do with existing (or un-existing) of israel. all they need is just TO WISH it... then it will happen...
IF YOU HAVE TO PROTECT.. but i am asking you: if you are given a choice to live in peace, where no one kills no one, when you make more money that you make in qatar, where you have a full freedom and happy life..and Israel is just across the border.. will you still go and kill yourself?? for what???soo that's what i say: it all depends on what the government want for its citizens..
Just imagine if YOU were born a palestinian, your land is taken from you, the house you build is demolished, at any time the IDF shows up and tells you that the harvest you were working on for 6 months is now the place for new settlement and just get the eff out of here, your mother and sister are insulted at check posts, what would you do.
Thank God i am not in a situation, a common palestinian finds himself in.
...about brain wash…I remember few years ago, in Toronto, I was shocked, when I saw in the paper the photo of this absolutely beautiful gorgeous young Palestinian girl, 20 years old, a University student, who blew up herself, and took may be couple of other’s lives.. I was crying!!! WHY??? Who is that MONSTER that sent her to kill herself??? She could have a fabulous education, she could have a beautiful caring husband, amazing children…she could have a fantastic life.. NOOO!!! some A*SHOLE put into her mind this freaking idea and put on her tiny fragile waist this freaking belt, and sent her to this freaking affair.. WHY???? This is a brain wash!
Now, abohmaid, tell me one thing..can YOU do it?? It is a big difference between sitting in Qatar, sympathizing people of Palestine on one hand and actually going and blow-up yourself on the other hand! And here where the specialists are needed to do some work on your brain! Yes, you are against Israel, yes, you THINK that life of Palestinians will be better when Israel is gone.. but.. can YOU put this explosive belt of death on and step into the bus and blow up this bus along with yourself??? CAN YOU?? Or you need someone who will put into your mind the idea that YOU are the one who must do it? That YOU will be a hero, that.. I don’t know what do they say and how do they do their “black job”, so that young boys and girls finally put this belt and go and kill themselves… This is a BRAIN WASH!
Now.. just imagine.. tomorrow the Palestinian government will say something like: “Well.. actually it’s not too bad to have Israel just beside us. Our people have jobs there, they can go for the entertainment there too.. and meanwhile we will develop our economy, build infrastructure, create a job places, implement new politics and policies, so that it will be very beneficial for Palestine. We want to provide a good life for our citizens. We will educate them, they will earn a good money, VERY good money, they will be able to travel, to invest their money, to have a nice places for the recreation, and so on..”.. did you imagine that??
Now…
WOULD YOU STILL PUT THIS F*** BELT ON AND KILL YOURSELF???
This situation is way beyond "Who threw the first stone?". The real question is how can these two states coexist?
Palestinian attacks in Jerusalem with front loader
By LAURIE COPANS, Associated Press Writer 30 minutes ago
JERUSALEM - A Palestinian man from east Jerusalem rammed a construction vehicle into three cars and a city bus in downtown Jerusalem near the luxury hotel where presidential candidate Barack Obama is supposed to stay Tuesday night as he kicks off a visit to Israel. The attacker injured four people before an Israeli civilian shot and killed him, police and witnesses said.
The attack was a chilling copycat of a similar incident earlier this month when another Palestinian from east Jerusalem plowed his huge front loader into a string of vehicles and pedestrians on another busy Jerusalem street about 3 miles away. Three people were killed in that attack and dozens were wounded before an off-duty soldier shot and killed the assailant.
Police said in the latest attack, a civilian driving nearby saw what was happening, jumped out of the car and shot the driver, bringing traffic to a halt. A border policeman who rushed to the scene also shot the driver. Police sealed off possible escape routes into predominantly Arab east Jerusalem and were searching for two suspects who fled the scene, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said.
The attacker struck a busy part of downtown Jerusalem, several hundred yards from the luxury King David hotel where Obama is scheduled to stay Tuesday night. The incident took place about seven hours before Obama was to arrive in Israel.
The driver of the bus said he was chased by the assailant as he wielded the construction vehicle's shovel.
an occupier doesnt deserve negotiaton or peace deal he wont leave it anyway , the only way forward is to fight for your cause, what made palestinians week today is because they choose the wrong path "the path of talking to zionism filled with hatred"
Never negotiate your land..
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
i used the term occupier with a grain of salt, as we say.
history is a funny thing, because if you go back 10 years then you get one story, but if you back 1000 years you get another.
i think i've made my point quite clear - that at this stage who is occupying what or who is doing what is not the main issue. the problem is that 2 sets of people are trying to live in one space. at this point i believe that both groups have a right to their own country, and i would oppose anyone on either side who stands in the way of that.
i think the israelis have committed atrocities and unspeakable acts.
i think the palestinians have committed atrocities and unspeakable acts.
the fact that one side has more casualties than the other is something to consider but it certainly does not excuse that side, as you seem to suggest.
evil is evil. a serial killer who murders 10 people is no less evil than a serial killer who murders 100 people.
as i said, it's time to move on and find a peaceful, negotiated settlement. hard line israelis who are opposed to giving an inch to the palestinians are part of the problem, as are hard line muslims.
once again, a solution will be found when people start loving their children more than they hate their enemies
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
it's quite sad how so many in this part of the world refuse to take responsibility for their actions. in car accidents, at work, in conflicts, everywhere. a lot of people in canada don't either, but it's taken to an incredible level in this region.
a friend while i was living in egypt lent me a copy of Jon Stewart's Democracy Inaction book and in one chapter he had knock knock jokes from all around the world. the one for the middle east was:
first man: "knock knock"
second man: "no sir, it is you who is wrong"
i wouldn't have realized how fitting this is if i hadn't lived in this region.
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
no abohmaid ! that's what these people have been told!!!but the truth is people will have a normal life when their government will let them have this normal life!! here is a huge difference!
"..that money is sent to prop up a corrupt secular pro western government that is willing to sell their cause if the price is right..."
well... then Arafat was one of those "corrupt secular pro western" governors... everybody are aware of his multi-million bank accounts in Swiss.. wondering how did he "earn" his money?
My point is very simple. IF the government of any country WANTS a good life for its citizens, it has a power and ability to do so. The corresponding direction will be taken, and the corresponding policies will be established.
If government want its citizen to fight, it will PUT into their mind a certain ideas (and will PUT the weapon in their hands!), so that people will get brain-washed and absolutely sure it’s THEIR OWN ideas and wishes… TRUST ME, i know what a brain-wash is!!i know it from my OWN experience...I know what i am talking about!
if government doesn’t want its citizens to live a normal life, it is stilling money from its own people...
I am not against anybody! I want NORMAL people to have a NORMAL life... and it's a GOVERNMENT's job to provide its citizens with the NORMAL life.. isn't it???
Uau, i wont even comment that video, i still remember a few days ago, Israel released 5 persons alive and received back the bodies of the 2 soldiers kidnapped in Israel border, please note, they weren't killed in action as other soldiers from both sides, how it was celebrated in Lebannon the returning home of live prisioners.
Israel as shown that they look for PEACE but seams that some people haven't understood it yet, but that same folks speak about it as if their side had won, how hard is for everybody to understand that if it wasn't for the americans and the Europeans, Israel would have replied to the threats with other kind of arguments.
But of course, what you can expect from people that makes themself blow up killing only innocents either in Israel, Iraq or Afghanistan?
While people don't leurn to live in peace and stop being fools, violence only conducts to violence.
About youtube images, in Brasil, in last 2 weeks 3 people were shot by Police, by mistake while persuing some bandits, do you guys think they did it on purpose?
Abo: I write about Islam because i wanna see the world as a racional muslim does (brainwashed muslin that supports terrorist acts are as bad as the ones that blow themselves up).
What do you know about occupation, why don't you say that it was palestina that occupied Israel before they got independence back, and this is historical proved, ever thought that Arabs are 1 of the tribs of Israel?
So, now who's the occupier and occupied?
Hashimo: why you call corrupt to a palestinian goverment that seaks for peace?
How hard it is for people to understand that Peace is the only way.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
"oh this is an isolated case? watch the video the Israeli NGO is saying they got hundreds of similar cases & there is hundreds of unreported cases too."
I watched the video 3 times. She doesn't say that.
I know very well what's happening in Israel and Palestine, and I know what a incredibly complicated situation it is which is why I don't post things which simply propagandize or trivialize either side. Anti-Israeli sentiment isn't going to get rid of Israel. And I'm not going to to hate a nation or a people just because people on this site tell me too.
QS you're the one who came up with the "assumption" that implied the israeli was getting the palestinian back for blowing the bus that killed his mother and sister.
And as far as Palestine is concerned developmentally, its easy for us to pass judgement but you just cannot compare the two countries. Israel has had big Papa's support from day one and with that came the support from UN and most of the international community. Can you say the same for Palestine? There are so many factors to consider, yes Palestine has to clean itself up. But dont all nations? The corruption you speak of in Palestine, is it not in Israel as well?
Read some history Qatarisun, a don't let the light shed by the mass media blind your sight. What is more criminal: a desperate guy sacrificing his body to propel an explosive into a small crowd killing maybe 10, or a state sponsored war machine that kills 10,000 in one blow? Ever heard of the Sabra and Shateela massacre? And how many innocent civilians were killed in their homes during the recent attack on Lebanon by the israeli forces? You obviously don't have any palestinian friends to convey to you the other side of the story, otherwise you wouldn't be posting such hilarious questions ;)
i know people in the NGO sector so i am keenly aware of how aid is increasingly being tied to anti-corruption efforts. aid money from canada has to be monitored very closely and there is no way that in this day and age 80% of the funds donated from canada simply lines the pockets of corrupt palestinian leaders. i imagine it's much the same (or going in that direction) for other western government donors.
i can't speak of the money donated by arab countries except to say that what i have seen of the the NGO sector in Qatar leads me to conclude that money donated here is certainly not accounted for as accurately.
i am also curious who the posters above blame for palestinian corruption?
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
Qatarisun, in any civilised country where the rule of law prevails, you have courts that hand out sentences and institutions that execute them. A soldier shooting a prisoner just doesn't fit into such a context no matter what the guy did. And then about the billions of dollars, well actually that money is sent to prop up a corrupt secular pro western government that is willing to sell their cause if the price is right. It never was meant to reach the citizens or improve their lifestyle. And about Israel making progress? That's a joke. The israeli real estate market is what's crumbling. Most israelis today are trying to sell their property and return to the countries they migrated from due to the lack of security in israel and hence the market has crashed. And Israel would not exist if it were't for the big brother over the atlantic who is paying dearly to satisfy his younger barbarian kinship. But guess what, the US ain't gonna be there forever, in other words the occupation of Palestine is destined to end sooner or later and who laughs last laughs longest.
labda, that's what exactly I am saying: there is no justification for the killing, especially killing of civil innocent people in buses, in coffee shops, in the Malls, in the night clubs.. that's exactly my point. This terrorist (or any other one) had no rights to kill the 18-y.o. soldier's sister while she was dancing in the night club...
Labda, that's what exactly I am saying: How many billions in aid has the US provided Israel? ..and Israeli leaders DO invest a lot of money into development of the country and giving people jobs and places to live and much more..palestinian leaders DO NOT... W-H-Y???
i suppose palestinians killing palestinians is also a zionist plot?
as far as i'm concerned, this problem has been going on for so long that it doesn't matter anymore who started it or who is to blame. what matters is finding a solution, and anyone who thinks that only one side is responsible for all the atrocities is hindering the process of finding that solution.
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
Lets go beyond your assumption and ask ourselves who started the terrorism? who gave the (your so called "terrorist") a reason do take that action and blow up the bus?
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"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" - George Galloway.
The topic of this thread was enough to provoke. My initial reaction was "here we go again". You will agree that there are people who will post the same type of topic all the time. Its hard not to picture some QLers as disgruntled anti-West hardliners. BUT I do not agree with anyone who is overtly disrespectful to the opinions of others.
QS: There is no justification for the killing. Period.
Living the Dream: How many billions in aid has the US provided Israel?
Im not against the US or Israel. But every one has a right to be heard, whichever side you're on.
"...what the palestinians do with all the aid that is given to them from all the countries around the world.?"
and there are billions and billions dollar!!! why wouldn't invest all these grand mass of money into PEACE instead of investing it into weapon and WAR??? it is so simple!
you can build 10 Palestines for the money they get.. it might be like Doha, like Dubai, even better!! Jobs, offices, residential units, towers, tourist business.. whatever you want!!!!
NOOOOO... 80% of aid goes to the private accounts of palestinians leaders, who is so “concerned” about the future of people of Palestine.. 19.99% goes for propoganda and the war continuation.. and 0.01% goes to feed poor hungry miserable citizens of Land of Palestine..
I love the way people bash Israel on these forums... It must be frustrating to know that they are continuing to move ahead in all areas while your beloved palestine is crumbling to the ground.
I always wonder what the palestinians do with all the aid that is given to them from all the countries around the world.
The biggest joke is that Israel was nothing but sand and stone and look what it has created. Now, with all the same support and financing, palestine chose to do nothing but wallow....
i haven't seen the video.. but let us make some assumption…
..what if that particular terrorist has blown up the bus, which the sister & Mother of the israeli soldier , who is killing this terrorist on the video, were riding at that same time, and both, sister and mother, got killed by that particular terrorist?
I don't think anyone has to post such videos to "stir anti-israeli sentiment" (it's out there already :D). You just have to look up some well documented historic acts of barbarism by the zionist state such as the Sabra and Shateela massacre. Ring a bell Gypsy? Or does that happen all over the world everyday? You obviously don't have the slightest idea about what's going on in Palestine OR you prefer to listen to one side of the story as portrayed in pro-israeli media. Wake up and smell the sh*t you're digging.
I'm not blind folded like people on each extremes... I prefer George Galloway's way of seeing things. A fact is different from a propaganda, Israel occupying Palestine is a fact and we all know it.
I dont have a problem with Jews, just those who occupy and kill just for the f* of it.
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"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" - George Galloway.
Cases like these happen everywhere in the world everyday, you don't mention that, Just like you don't mention that the person in the video may not be a Palestinian. You're just trying to stir up anti-Israeli sentiment, which is why I thanked you for your daily does of propaganda.
Give me a break thexonic, realsomeone posts this on QL, just the link with, of course, the big title of ISRAELI filmed shooting guard! Trying to dredge up some anti-Israeli sentiment. He couldn't even be bothered to put the fact that this was an isolated case, as Withnail said, and that it was being looked into. These sorts of things happen all over the world everyday, why is he only posting the Israeli ones?
Gypsy that is why we call u ignorant. If we did the same to you, you'd be ignored by everyone right now. U and realsome are both are similarly extreme in your own directions. Have an open mind and try to accept, there's something called "a benefit of the doubt" which alot of open minded people use, do that sometimes.
Realsome, this video is one of the million vidoes that I've come across. The question is what is the solution? these people r blind folded and brain washed by the magicians of zionism... u can't change a piece of stone back to a heart.
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"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" - George Galloway.
this this footage was released by an israeli human rights group and that they IDF issued a statement saying what happened was wrong and that they are investigating.
hopefully this soldier will be punished appropriately.
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
two are, Israeli or Palestinians ... who would laugh at such things or crack jokes ... sigh ... I just don't know since when seeing people getting killed start bringing happy moments and laughter ...
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abo: check the link i refer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Early_roots
nly God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
how u did read that?
"(...)Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads,[27] Abbasids,[28] and Crusaders over the next six centuries, before falling in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260. In 1516, the Land of Israel became a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the region until the 20th century.[29]"
Abo: So, who's the occupier and who's the occupied?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
QL ppl????????????
goodluck for all
thanks for realsomeone
is he dracula also
"Both the Israel Defense Forces and B'Tselem said Abu Rahma was wounded in a TOE and was treated by an IDF doctor before being sent home."
A noob-scared soldier!
Maybe first mission!
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Realsome: You admiting that the occupation of Israel by the Arab forces is an illegal occupation?
Better read true story books and not what others tell you when they brainwash you.
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"The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since the time of the biblical patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Scholars have placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE.[20] According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the Jews, by God, as their homeland,[21][22] and the sites holiest to Judaism are located there. According to the traditional view, around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Israelite kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years.[23]
Between the time of the Jewish kingdoms and the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule.[24] Jewish presence in the region dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE and the resultant large-scale expulsion of Jews. In 628/9, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius conducted a massacre and expulsion of the Jews, at which point the Jewish population probably reached its lowest point. Nevertheless, a continuous Jewish presence in Palestine remained. Although the main Jewish population shifted from the Judea region to the Galilee,[25] the Mishnah and part of the Talmud, among Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in Israel during this period.[26] The Land of Israel was captured from the Byzantine Empire around 636 CE during the initial Muslim conquests. Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads,[27] Abbasids,[28] and Crusaders over the next six centuries, before falling in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260. In 1516, the Land of Israel became a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the region until the 20th century.[29]"
Based in wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Early_roots)
Did anyone ask for historical references?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I wasn't condoning the actions of the Israelis..
I agree that it was over the top especially since the person was overpowered already..
Have you ever been shot by a rubber bullet? It fecking hurts like hell.
Rubber bullets are used to control crowds. Their purpose is to hurt without killing.
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This thing hit front-page newspapers and TV in Israel.
The soldier is currently ARRESTED and awaiting trial, and will probably be sent to jail.
A two-star commander that was standing next to him is suspended is also awaiting trial.
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MORE DETAILS :
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Video shows an Israeli soldier firing a rubber bullet at a handcuffed, blindfolded Palestinian man this month in the West Bank, an Israeli human rights group said Sunday.
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Israel's military said it is investigating the July 7 incident, which, according to the military and the rights group, left the Palestinian with a wounded toe.
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The video shows Ashraf Abu Rahma, 27, being held at the arm by an Israeli soldier while another soldier points a gun at Abu Rahma's legs from close range, according to human rights group B'Tselem. The group said Abu Rahma was detained after protesting in Nil'in, a West Bank village near Ramallah.
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The soldier pointing the gun fires, and Abu Rahma flinches, but it's unclear from the video where the man was shot.
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Both the Israel Defense Forces and B'Tselem said Abu Rahma was wounded in a toe and was treated by an IDF doctor before being sent home.
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"The injury was sustained when an IDF soldier fired an anti-riot weapon in close proximity to the detained Palestinian man, who had been arrested for taking part in a violent riot near the village of Nil'in," IDF said in a statement Sunday.
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B'Tselem said a 14-year-old Palestinian girl from Nil'in recorded the incident from her house. B'Tselem published the video on the Internet on Sunday and showed it to the Israeli military.
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Brig. Gen. Avichia Mendelbilt ordered a military police investigation into the incident upon receiving the footage, the IDF's statement said.
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"This was a serious incident in stark violation of the IDF's rules of conduct and safety," the statement said.
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However, IDF spokeswoman Avital Leibovitch stressed that the military questions the credibility of the video. The footage stops right after the gunfire is heard and picks up again with Abu Rahma laying on the ground.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/20/israel.probe/index.html
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Well thats what i have heard on local media mostly, but doing a google search, well figures vary from 5000/sq KM to 25,000/sq KM, i dunno which is the most accurate.
gaza has a population around 1.5 million, with a population density around 4120 per sq. km. this isn't even top 20 as far as density is concerned.
west bank has a population of about 2.6 million and a density under 300 per sq. km.
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and what u will tell these refugees?
"yes i am against the illegal state of the zionism and those who support. PLAIN CLEAR."
YOU CAN NOT DO A HOOT. ALL YOU CAN DO IS SHOUT HERE HIDING BEHIND THE SCREEN. BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO :)
QS
I will leave it to a palestinian to respond, coz they better knwo the facts than me, but what i do know is that Ghaza and west bank is the most heavily populated place in the world, and even this landed is encroached upon heavily by settlements. New settlements continue to be build. The two places are surrounded by Israel, they stop trade, electricity, water whenever they like to. How can someone think of a future in such a state.
plz come to the real word and leave the fantasy one
http://www.coexistonline.com/index.php
it is endless as usual.. we have exchanged by the same opinions for the tenth time... nothing has changed...
..all they need is just to stop right now and start a normal life for the normal people.. and this new start has nothing to do with existing (or un-existing) of israel. all they need is just TO WISH it... then it will happen...
yes i am against the illegal state of the zionism and those who support. PLAIN CLEAR.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
IF YOU HAVE TO PROTECT.. but i am asking you: if you are given a choice to live in peace, where no one kills no one, when you make more money that you make in qatar, where you have a full freedom and happy life..and Israel is just across the border.. will you still go and kill yourself?? for what???soo that's what i say: it all depends on what the government want for its citizens..
khalas.. i am out of here.. endless nonsense...
if i have to protect my family
and check superdoc post u will find some of the suffer
they live in
realsomeone said:
well thanks everyone, propoganda and plain truth does not stand in the same line.
Realsomeone said:
that is another result of the illegal occupation...
I don't agree with the Israeli soldier in killing cold blooded that young man.
But your intentions are very clear, in posting and using the sensation of the news, to promote your hate against the Israel State and the West.
That has being and always be, your legacy in Qatar living and maybe in your personal life.
Respectfully
Red_Pope
"Don't make me write your name on my TURD List!"
QS
Are you trying to be naive?
Just imagine if YOU were born a palestinian, your land is taken from you, the house you build is demolished, at any time the IDF shows up and tells you that the harvest you were working on for 6 months is now the place for new settlement and just get the eff out of here, your mother and sister are insulted at check posts, what would you do.
Thank God i am not in a situation, a common palestinian finds himself in.
...about brain wash…I remember few years ago, in Toronto, I was shocked, when I saw in the paper the photo of this absolutely beautiful gorgeous young Palestinian girl, 20 years old, a University student, who blew up herself, and took may be couple of other’s lives.. I was crying!!! WHY??? Who is that MONSTER that sent her to kill herself??? She could have a fabulous education, she could have a beautiful caring husband, amazing children…she could have a fantastic life.. NOOO!!! some A*SHOLE put into her mind this freaking idea and put on her tiny fragile waist this freaking belt, and sent her to this freaking affair.. WHY???? This is a brain wash!
Now, abohmaid, tell me one thing..can YOU do it?? It is a big difference between sitting in Qatar, sympathizing people of Palestine on one hand and actually going and blow-up yourself on the other hand! And here where the specialists are needed to do some work on your brain! Yes, you are against Israel, yes, you THINK that life of Palestinians will be better when Israel is gone.. but.. can YOU put this explosive belt of death on and step into the bus and blow up this bus along with yourself??? CAN YOU?? Or you need someone who will put into your mind the idea that YOU are the one who must do it? That YOU will be a hero, that.. I don’t know what do they say and how do they do their “black job”, so that young boys and girls finally put this belt and go and kill themselves… This is a BRAIN WASH!
Now.. just imagine.. tomorrow the Palestinian government will say something like: “Well.. actually it’s not too bad to have Israel just beside us. Our people have jobs there, they can go for the entertainment there too.. and meanwhile we will develop our economy, build infrastructure, create a job places, implement new politics and policies, so that it will be very beneficial for Palestine. We want to provide a good life for our citizens. We will educate them, they will earn a good money, VERY good money, they will be able to travel, to invest their money, to have a nice places for the recreation, and so on..”.. did you imagine that??
Now…
WOULD YOU STILL PUT THIS F*** BELT ON AND KILL YOURSELF???
that is another result of the illegal occupation...
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
This situation is way beyond "Who threw the first stone?". The real question is how can these two states coexist?
Palestinian attacks in Jerusalem with front loader
By LAURIE COPANS, Associated Press Writer 30 minutes ago
JERUSALEM - A Palestinian man from east Jerusalem rammed a construction vehicle into three cars and a city bus in downtown Jerusalem near the luxury hotel where presidential candidate Barack Obama is supposed to stay Tuesday night as he kicks off a visit to Israel. The attacker injured four people before an Israeli civilian shot and killed him, police and witnesses said.
The attack was a chilling copycat of a similar incident earlier this month when another Palestinian from east Jerusalem plowed his huge front loader into a string of vehicles and pedestrians on another busy Jerusalem street about 3 miles away. Three people were killed in that attack and dozens were wounded before an off-duty soldier shot and killed the assailant.
Police said in the latest attack, a civilian driving nearby saw what was happening, jumped out of the car and shot the driver, bringing traffic to a halt. A border policeman who rushed to the scene also shot the driver. Police sealed off possible escape routes into predominantly Arab east Jerusalem and were searching for two suspects who fled the scene, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said.
The attacker struck a busy part of downtown Jerusalem, several hundred yards from the luxury King David hotel where Obama is scheduled to stay Tuesday night. The incident took place about seven hours before Obama was to arrive in Israel.
The driver of the bus said he was chased by the assailant as he wielded the construction vehicle's shovel.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_attack_3
an occupier doesnt deserve negotiaton or peace deal he wont leave it anyway , the only way forward is to fight for your cause, what made palestinians week today is because they choose the wrong path "the path of talking to zionism filled with hatred"
Never negotiate your land..
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
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i used the term occupier with a grain of salt, as we say.
history is a funny thing, because if you go back 10 years then you get one story, but if you back 1000 years you get another.
i think i've made my point quite clear - that at this stage who is occupying what or who is doing what is not the main issue. the problem is that 2 sets of people are trying to live in one space. at this point i believe that both groups have a right to their own country, and i would oppose anyone on either side who stands in the way of that.
i think the israelis have committed atrocities and unspeakable acts.
i think the palestinians have committed atrocities and unspeakable acts.
the fact that one side has more casualties than the other is something to consider but it certainly does not excuse that side, as you seem to suggest.
evil is evil. a serial killer who murders 10 people is no less evil than a serial killer who murders 100 people.
as i said, it's time to move on and find a peaceful, negotiated settlement. hard line israelis who are opposed to giving an inch to the palestinians are part of the problem, as are hard line muslims.
once again, a solution will be found when people start loving their children more than they hate their enemies
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"when they peacefully work for a negotiated settlement with the occupier."
u said the occupier
so do u accept an occupier in ur homeland.
even after decades.
you're making sense to me.
some people on both sides are blinded by hate and rage.
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Make Love not war
Give Peace a chance
Whitnail, i'm with you, i have been telling that both sides have made their own mistakes, btw, a civilian with a weapon isn't considered civilian.
As a peace worker, i still have a dream, that one day, faith wont no longer be a reason to kill or die for.
That God/Allah enlighten the path to all world leaders
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
it's quite sad how so many in this part of the world refuse to take responsibility for their actions. in car accidents, at work, in conflicts, everywhere. a lot of people in canada don't either, but it's taken to an incredible level in this region.
a friend while i was living in egypt lent me a copy of Jon Stewart's Democracy Inaction book and in one chapter he had knock knock jokes from all around the world. the one for the middle east was:
first man: "knock knock"
second man: "no sir, it is you who is wrong"
i wouldn't have realized how fitting this is if i hadn't lived in this region.
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I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments Withnail.
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why no support for ghaza goverment
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when they peacefully work for a negotiated settlement with the occupier.
no one is blameless in this. those who continue to blame only one side are part of the problem.
as they say, a solution will be found when people start loving their children more than they hate their enemies
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u need a historical refrences
no abohmaid ! that's what these people have been told!!!but the truth is people will have a normal life when their government will let them have this normal life!! here is a huge difference!
TRUST ME!
normal people in normal life
when the occupier go out
"..that money is sent to prop up a corrupt secular pro western government that is willing to sell their cause if the price is right..."
well... then Arafat was one of those "corrupt secular pro western" governors... everybody are aware of his multi-million bank accounts in Swiss.. wondering how did he "earn" his money?
My point is very simple. IF the government of any country WANTS a good life for its citizens, it has a power and ability to do so. The corresponding direction will be taken, and the corresponding policies will be established.
If government want its citizen to fight, it will PUT into their mind a certain ideas (and will PUT the weapon in their hands!), so that people will get brain-washed and absolutely sure it’s THEIR OWN ideas and wishes… TRUST ME, i know what a brain-wash is!!i know it from my OWN experience...I know what i am talking about!
if government doesn’t want its citizens to live a normal life, it is stilling money from its own people...
I am not against anybody! I want NORMAL people to have a NORMAL life... and it's a GOVERNMENT's job to provide its citizens with the NORMAL life.. isn't it???
Uau, i wont even comment that video, i still remember a few days ago, Israel released 5 persons alive and received back the bodies of the 2 soldiers kidnapped in Israel border, please note, they weren't killed in action as other soldiers from both sides, how it was celebrated in Lebannon the returning home of live prisioners.
Israel as shown that they look for PEACE but seams that some people haven't understood it yet, but that same folks speak about it as if their side had won, how hard is for everybody to understand that if it wasn't for the americans and the Europeans, Israel would have replied to the threats with other kind of arguments.
But of course, what you can expect from people that makes themself blow up killing only innocents either in Israel, Iraq or Afghanistan?
While people don't leurn to live in peace and stop being fools, violence only conducts to violence.
About youtube images, in Brasil, in last 2 weeks 3 people were shot by Police, by mistake while persuing some bandits, do you guys think they did it on purpose?
Abo: I write about Islam because i wanna see the world as a racional muslim does (brainwashed muslin that supports terrorist acts are as bad as the ones that blow themselves up).
What do you know about occupation, why don't you say that it was palestina that occupied Israel before they got independence back, and this is historical proved, ever thought that Arabs are 1 of the tribs of Israel?
So, now who's the occupier and occupied?
Hashimo: why you call corrupt to a palestinian goverment that seaks for peace?
How hard it is for people to understand that Peace is the only way.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
"oh this is an isolated case? watch the video the Israeli NGO is saying they got hundreds of similar cases & there is hundreds of unreported cases too."
I watched the video 3 times. She doesn't say that.
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you life sucks, do you have enough proof to say he is terrorist? Why dont u stay to ur pervetism, humanity is not your cup of tea
I know very well what's happening in Israel and Palestine, and I know what a incredibly complicated situation it is which is why I don't post things which simply propagandize or trivialize either side. Anti-Israeli sentiment isn't going to get rid of Israel. And I'm not going to to hate a nation or a people just because people on this site tell me too.
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QS you're the one who came up with the "assumption" that implied the israeli was getting the palestinian back for blowing the bus that killed his mother and sister.
And as far as Palestine is concerned developmentally, its easy for us to pass judgement but you just cannot compare the two countries. Israel has had big Papa's support from day one and with that came the support from UN and most of the international community. Can you say the same for Palestine? There are so many factors to consider, yes Palestine has to clean itself up. But dont all nations? The corruption you speak of in Palestine, is it not in Israel as well?
Read some history Qatarisun, a don't let the light shed by the mass media blind your sight. What is more criminal: a desperate guy sacrificing his body to propel an explosive into a small crowd killing maybe 10, or a state sponsored war machine that kills 10,000 in one blow? Ever heard of the Sabra and Shateela massacre? And how many innocent civilians were killed in their homes during the recent attack on Lebanon by the israeli forces? You obviously don't have any palestinian friends to convey to you the other side of the story, otherwise you wouldn't be posting such hilarious questions ;)
i know people in the NGO sector so i am keenly aware of how aid is increasingly being tied to anti-corruption efforts. aid money from canada has to be monitored very closely and there is no way that in this day and age 80% of the funds donated from canada simply lines the pockets of corrupt palestinian leaders. i imagine it's much the same (or going in that direction) for other western government donors.
i can't speak of the money donated by arab countries except to say that what i have seen of the the NGO sector in Qatar leads me to conclude that money donated here is certainly not accounted for as accurately.
i am also curious who the posters above blame for palestinian corruption?
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Qatarisun, in any civilised country where the rule of law prevails, you have courts that hand out sentences and institutions that execute them. A soldier shooting a prisoner just doesn't fit into such a context no matter what the guy did. And then about the billions of dollars, well actually that money is sent to prop up a corrupt secular pro western government that is willing to sell their cause if the price is right. It never was meant to reach the citizens or improve their lifestyle. And about Israel making progress? That's a joke. The israeli real estate market is what's crumbling. Most israelis today are trying to sell their property and return to the countries they migrated from due to the lack of security in israel and hence the market has crashed. And Israel would not exist if it were't for the big brother over the atlantic who is paying dearly to satisfy his younger barbarian kinship. But guess what, the US ain't gonna be there forever, in other words the occupation of Palestine is destined to end sooner or later and who laughs last laughs longest.
labda, that's what exactly I am saying: there is no justification for the killing, especially killing of civil innocent people in buses, in coffee shops, in the Malls, in the night clubs.. that's exactly my point. This terrorist (or any other one) had no rights to kill the 18-y.o. soldier's sister while she was dancing in the night club...
Labda, that's what exactly I am saying: How many billions in aid has the US provided Israel? ..and Israeli leaders DO invest a lot of money into development of the country and giving people jobs and places to live and much more..palestinian leaders DO NOT... W-H-Y???
i suppose palestinians killing palestinians is also a zionist plot?
as far as i'm concerned, this problem has been going on for so long that it doesn't matter anymore who started it or who is to blame. what matters is finding a solution, and anyone who thinks that only one side is responsible for all the atrocities is hindering the process of finding that solution.
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Lets go beyond your assumption and ask ourselves who started the terrorism? who gave the (your so called "terrorist") a reason do take that action and blow up the bus?
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The topic of this thread was enough to provoke. My initial reaction was "here we go again". You will agree that there are people who will post the same type of topic all the time. Its hard not to picture some QLers as disgruntled anti-West hardliners. BUT I do not agree with anyone who is overtly disrespectful to the opinions of others.
QS: There is no justification for the killing. Period.
Living the Dream: How many billions in aid has the US provided Israel?
Im not against the US or Israel. But every one has a right to be heard, whichever side you're on.
thats why the support goes to the thieves in west bank
on the other hand the basics such as fuel and electricty
is cut from ghaza
LivingTheDream.. this is my question forever:
"...what the palestinians do with all the aid that is given to them from all the countries around the world.?"
and there are billions and billions dollar!!! why wouldn't invest all these grand mass of money into PEACE instead of investing it into weapon and WAR??? it is so simple!
you can build 10 Palestines for the money they get.. it might be like Doha, like Dubai, even better!! Jobs, offices, residential units, towers, tourist business.. whatever you want!!!!
NOOOOO... 80% of aid goes to the private accounts of palestinians leaders, who is so “concerned” about the future of people of Palestine.. 19.99% goes for propoganda and the war continuation.. and 0.01% goes to feed poor hungry miserable citizens of Land of Palestine..
WHY??? TILL WHEN???
coz palestine occupation is a nightmare
witch will finish soon
The Israelis have more fire power and strength ..
I do not agree wuth Israel's aggressive tactics, however, the bullet used was rubber and was probably used as a scare tactic...
One other thing to note is that Israel is a rarity in the region where at least some ort of enquiry willactually take place..
This is where the U.N and perhaps even the Arabs need to intervene....
How do you came into the conclusion that he was terrorist? the Zionist soldiers said he was part of protest.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
dont make assumptions
coz he was in a peacefull demonstration
I love the way people bash Israel on these forums... It must be frustrating to know that they are continuing to move ahead in all areas while your beloved palestine is crumbling to the ground.
I always wonder what the palestinians do with all the aid that is given to them from all the countries around the world.
The biggest joke is that Israel was nothing but sand and stone and look what it has created. Now, with all the same support and financing, palestine chose to do nothing but wallow....
So sad
i haven't seen the video.. but let us make some assumption…
..what if that particular terrorist has blown up the bus, which the sister & Mother of the israeli soldier , who is killing this terrorist on the video, were riding at that same time, and both, sister and mother, got killed by that particular terrorist?
…Does this video look different now?
if someone posts a video of an Israeli shooting someone you get the comment.
I don't think anyone has to post such videos to "stir anti-israeli sentiment"
Other people around the net post anti Islam stuff and not once did someone say that ;)
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thank u
I don't think anyone has to post such videos to "stir anti-israeli sentiment" (it's out there already :D). You just have to look up some well documented historic acts of barbarism by the zionist state such as the Sabra and Shateela massacre. Ring a bell Gypsy? Or does that happen all over the world everyday? You obviously don't have the slightest idea about what's going on in Palestine OR you prefer to listen to one side of the story as portrayed in pro-israeli media. Wake up and smell the sh*t you're digging.
I'm not blind folded like people on each extremes... I prefer George Galloway's way of seeing things. A fact is different from a propaganda, Israel occupying Palestine is a fact and we all know it.
I dont have a problem with Jews, just those who occupy and kill just for the f* of it.
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What are you going on about abohmaid??
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and why some of u (non-muslim) wright topics
about islam even he dosnt care
How do you know that thexonic? Do you see the other ones? No you only see the ones that people like realsomeone want you to see.
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nahhh....we also got our problems back home...
:-/
Cases like these happen everywhere in the world everyday, you don't mention that, Just like you don't mention that the person in the video may not be a Palestinian. You're just trying to stir up anti-Israeli sentiment, which is why I thanked you for your daily does of propaganda.
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Gypsy, may be cuz Israel has taken it to the highest level. Alot of times I dont even agree with realsome, cuz he takes extreme measures.
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oh this is an isolated case? watch the video the Israeli NGO is saying they got hundreds of similar cases & there is hundreds of unreported cases too.
Why should i be posting about this? i care about Palestine and i dislike the zionism so that is why i choose to focus on this.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
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Give me a break thexonic, realsomeone posts this on QL, just the link with, of course, the big title of ISRAELI filmed shooting guard! Trying to dredge up some anti-Israeli sentiment. He couldn't even be bothered to put the fact that this was an isolated case, as Withnail said, and that it was being looked into. These sorts of things happen all over the world everyday, why is he only posting the Israeli ones?
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Gypsy that is why we call u ignorant. If we did the same to you, you'd be ignored by everyone right now. U and realsome are both are similarly extreme in your own directions. Have an open mind and try to accept, there's something called "a benefit of the doubt" which alot of open minded people use, do that sometimes.
Realsome, this video is one of the million vidoes that I've come across. The question is what is the solution? these people r blind folded and brain washed by the magicians of zionism... u can't change a piece of stone back to a heart.
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well thanks everyone, propoganda and plain truth doesnot stand in the same line.
and hey gypsy & charan show some respect for the feelings of other members you too are really disgusting.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
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Cup Cake be my guest.. lool ur sad btw :D
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Your PM will be published soon for all to see :(
there was a big officer
do u think they r investigating him also
the topic will disappear soon
I never even looked at the video, just can't take anything realsomeone posts seriously.
And I didn't laugh, I thanked him for my daily dose of propaganda, which is what this is.
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shall i wright with my right or left hand?
or
my girlfriend dropped me
this this footage was released by an israeli human rights group and that they IDF issued a statement saying what happened was wrong and that they are investigating.
hopefully this soldier will be punished appropriately.
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Well thats Gypsy for u... u 2 r sick...
Hmmm... i aint even gonna bother...
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two are, Israeli or Palestinians ... who would laugh at such things or crack jokes ... sigh ... I just don't know since when seeing people getting killed start bringing happy moments and laughter ...
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)
at very very silly topics
but now the band vanish
maybe they r israelian
these two without any feelings
The Terrorist deserved it :)
Ahhhhhh! nothing like my daily dose of propaganda. :D
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