Islam, Qatar, and PORK

Did you look at how old this thread is?

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

you have said that : The Quran was similiarly put together by theologists and clerics, and we will not even get started on the following of interpretations issued by clerics as they are truly absurd at times.

let me explain to u what is Quran,

1.we have 1 Quran 1 version and if u buy any Quran from any where whether it is in Pakistan or Qatar or Moroco u will find the same words, it is the same Quran that was recited by Mohammad 14 centuries ago and not a single letter or word was changed.

2. The Quran was not writen by Mohammed or any other person after Mohammad.

3. An Angel called Jebreel was a messanger from Allah to Mohammed and through him Allah sent His words to Mohammed.

4. The words of the Quran are the words of Allah.

5. There are evedence in the Quran that prove that it is from Allah.

6. Dont say anything about the Quran without reading it first, u cannot judge any book without reading it first, u dont know what it says about pork or any other thing and why.

please visit this website to understand Islam, I am not inviting u to convert to Islam i am just asking u to understand it http://islamtomorrow.com/

Quran is the word of god which was memorized and recited by Mohammed's(peace be upon him) companions and written in a complete book later on without any changes to it original version. There is only one version and no other exists anywhere.All other religious scriptures have been altered by man and changed over time except the Quran. If you do not believe that, ask any arabic writer to write anything that comes even close to scripture of the Quran and all of them will fail to produce it.

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Jesus turned water into wine as a miracle in order to have a nice occasion for a wedding feast. He was invited as a guest and it was proper at that time for the host to have plenety of wine for enjoyment.

"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

[Proverbs 20:1]

"Stop getting drunk with wine, which leads to wild living, but keep on being filled with the Spirit."

[Ephesians 5:18]

nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

[1Corinthians 6:10]

In islam alcohols was forbidden in many stages starting from telling not to drink while praying till it was Totally forbidden.

[Matthew 5:43]

"You have heard that it was said, 'You must love your neighbor' and hate your enemy."

love was for the neighbor the hate was for whome???

In islam no orders for hates.

[Leviticus 11:7]

and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you.

if the reason to make pigs forbidden for that time cause their was no good & modern butchers ,,,,was they got a modern butchers for lambs and cows!!!! why only pig was mentioned???,,don`t tell me that there was no lambs in this period and it was only pigs :) cause i ll tell u about [Exodus 12:5] :) .

Retriewing 2 year old post. Original Poster left Qatar long time ago :)

If so, why did Jesus turn water into wine at a wedding??

And yours is not the ONLY religion that respects others.

The commandment is "Love thy neighbour as thyself" NOT "Love thy Christian neighbour....". This means respect your neighbour's religion as well.

*** Light travels faster than sound. That's why most people appear bright until they open their mouths.

Disrespect am i now the one not respecting other religions u r kidding r n`t u :)

any way check again to whome i was talking and what he has said.

by the way my religion is the only religion that said to respect others religions.

beside i wasn`t talking about religions cause if i was talking about religions i was to tell that alcohols is forbidden for christians and jews 2 :)

bashira dug it up.

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Dudes, this thread is almost 2 years old.

Visit www.qatarhappening.com

havent given you any rights to disrespect other religions or their behavious aeamin. its just that ork is forbidden on you so avoid that. Not curse those who eat it,

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cleanness in religion is not only physical but mentall as well.

Hey Tyler want to eat pork eat pork want to drink alcohols drink alcohols want to eat your shit eat your shit we don`t give a fuck about u ,go to hell man i think it will be better for us all :)

:) what was that last few words you said britexpat lolzz

Yo miss pork and you come up with this thread! Srey, pork is available here or i Dubai i some form

this thread is over a year old ... the original poster not even in Qatar anymore.

Thank you sfd24 for supporting the idea of no religious discussion on a site like this, especially when most people are unaware about how the Quran came about into this world and what the Quran means to muslims in the world.

I would really appreciate it if people could reason with this comment and try to find the real truth from religious leaders themselves than just reading articles which do not show the real truth about Islam and its reasons for condemning many things.

I remember in April 2000, rumors started about making wine Khamr legal. I bacame depressed.

In response to your comment posted on Sun, 07/01/2007 - 5:01pm.

Been away from Doha so was not able to come out to play.

I did NOT equate the Islamic beliefs to known diseases. I am merely responding someone elses comment about why banning temptations doesnt work, and why I think some times it does. - you are just making assumptions about what I think

I was merely saying that the Qataris has the right to create an environment in their country where they can practice Islam/culture in ways that they feel right. I am no expert in Islam or Qatari culture, but since they have ban pork for many years for whateverever reasons and feel they want to retain that element in their country - who are we as foreigners to make such demand and to think negative of them on this basis?

and what about sex? - Isnt that also illegal in public in many countries? and thank goodness for that too!

Dear Tyler,

We are not allowed to commit adultry, fornication, nor sodomy with Muslims, nor are we allowed to do that with non-Muslims.

Male Muslims should cover themselves & avoid touching each others in a sexual way.

You also suggested replacing Athan with watches that make sound. However, we use technology to serve Islam. We try to discover new things to serve Islam.

First of all:

Thanks Tyler for mentioning me as fool… it was expected from one like you…

Now, let us see how you think and judge…

“I understand you have your views and I respect them however you greatly degrade your veiwpoint when you are nonsensical and use bad examples.” you said.

Sorry for the examples, however one like you should not be shamed of the human rights…!!! It was your precious invention and you should be proud that you people succeeded in other people fail to achieve…

Now, what a pathetic American, and unfortunately you are engineer!!!

“Pork is prohibited in 3 Muslim countries and not all. This would imply that the people of these 3 countries are so weak of character as to not be able to resist temptation”. you said

Your kiddy mind thought that these countries sell pork under the desire of their majority of Muslim people as they could not resist the taste of pork….loooooooooool you really make laugh…

The government of these countries controls everything even people breathe…do not you follow up the news…there is a big fight against dictatorial countries in the Middle East like those ones, like the one country which was called IRAQ…I believe people like you came to give us our freedom…!!!

“And yet alcohol is everywhere...oh wait it is consumed happily by many muslims.........guess your leaders are correct...too tempting”

Again, you talk to yourself; I told you before there are millions of disobedient out there, please read back what I wrote about this…and those are not representing the majority of Muslims …

FYI, in Islam, if you commit a sin (something forbidden or haram) and you confess that you know it is haram but you committed it under some seduction and you forsake what you have done…you will be punched if there is a known parchment for this sin, and leave you to Allah to judge you in the hereafter.

On the other hand, if you commit a sin, and you claimed, that it is not forbidden and it is permitted, while it is known for all Muslims to be forbidden by necessity, then simply you are not a Muslim any more.!!!

For your practice, if you see one of those Muslims ask him “do you know that the wine is haram!!!?” and see what his answer…

People whom you saw drink wine, they may know it is forbidden and they drank it…they are still Muslims but if they died on this situation it will be very hard for them…as there is no forsake after death…may Allah guide and help them…

You know Tyler, when I see or talk to people like you, I feel so sorry for them, and I feel so happy that I am a Muslim.

I have spent 2 years in England talking to people you, all the time they pretend they are very happy with their lives however they are crying and screaming from inside…I can feel it from their eyes...

They are missing something, which they can not describe…they tried hard to find what is wrong with their lives, but they could not find it…and they never confess it.

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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Should a matter of choice. Not being force to you by government, religion or others.

But thats only an opinion.

I see that on many comments, including those from vega the phrase "Muslims do not" appears frequently.

Lets be accurate please and say "Muslims should not" or "Muslims are not supposed to"

Wine is NOT prohibited in Qatar you fool.

I understand you have your views and I respect them however you greatly degrade your veiwpoint when you are nonsensical and use bad examples.

Pork is prohibited in 3 Muslim countries and not all. This would imply that the people of these 3 counrties are so weak of character as to not be able to resist temptation. And yet alcohol is everywhere...oh wait it is consumed happily by many muslims.........guess your leaders are correct...too tempting

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Tyler,

I do not hate homosexuals or lover them. Either they are Muslims or not.

I just want to say, you people by force, make illegal things legal under the right of humans.

Rights of humans and their willing become higher than Allah (God) orders.

If Muslims majority have the same concepts as you had (freedom of choice, freedom of thinking and bla bla bla) they end like you …they will force religious people to permit what Allah prohibited, and then you will feel happy....

For this reason, you should respect rules in Qatar which prohibited wine and pork…

Hope you understand my point of view…and be sure that I have no nay malice toward any of other different people…

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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Do not invite death by the error of your life, nor bring on destruction by the works of your hands; because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living.

Solomon Chapter 1, verses 12-13

when are you going to hit the exchange and get me a pack or two? I pay excellent handling fees.....

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I just had four slices of grilled PORK bacon, mix and slightly toasted sandwich bread, 2 slice of american white cheese, lettuce, slice tomatoes with touch of butter in each bread slice.

My own BLT

P.S.

Lets not forget my ice cold Corona beer.

I felt in pig heaven.... Except I'm in Qatar.

Got to love the smell of pork lard.

I am not complaining nor was this thread a complaint session. It really started as just saying "I miss pork" where it has gone is not necessarily bad as veiws have been expressed as intended on this forum which is a tool for free thought and communication. The sad thing is that one of the first posts in the thread was someone discouraging the fredom of expression we enjoy online and in this forum.

It is each of our choices to be in Qatar, to be online, to be in this forum, and to choose which religion to follow. Additionally it is your choice as to which precepts of a religion to follow or not. We all appreciate dialogue which supports these freedoms.

As for the traffic it is just amazing how much time I save on 2 wheels. But I may be carzier than the average crazy driver as I don't have a cage to seperate me from the inattentive, cigarette in one hand, cell phone in the other, land cruiser driving, homocidal drivers.

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I see you have been having fun over the holidays. :-)

Muslims don't eat pork because it is prohibited in the Quran i.e. Allah said don't do it so we will not do it. Simple the same way that Jews don't either... but as you said it also prohibits it in the Bible. Who allowed it or abrogated the law that made most Chritians began to eat pork?

Now thats not to say we don't have free will or are perfect... because I know Muslims who drink, smoke weed, commit adultry and eat/sell pork. Are they correct in their actions- no? They will even tell you this.

We however as a whole will not take the words of Allah and try to change them to allow us to eat pork now. Yeah the hog plants are cleaner than most chicken coops but if our creator created the pig and said to stay away from it not just in the Quran then.... I think I am going to do so.

You studied engineering what can that type of tinkering without fully understanding the make up or the reason why a set of instructions was given fully lead to? You can say modern medicine and modern science says this about worms and parasites but do we truly know everything that it causes.. nope. I know in the South my friend.. home of the Heart Attack, High Blood Pressure-- what is the first thing the doctor tells most people????? Stop eating the pork so enjoy it if you want.

I had one of my Plumbers make a joke about this last year while we were doing some work. He made the same arguments I have heard so far from many of the expats on this board.. I don't get to hear his jokes or laugh anymore because he died right after I left.

We are here to enjoy ourselves but in moderation if something is prohibited for most Muslims we may not understand it but we have that much love for our creator that we try to obey it. The same as a kid listens to their parents. If your mom tells you the stove is hot and not to touch, some will listen and not touch- some will try it get burnt and not touch it again- some will touch it get burnt and keep on touching it and getting burnt just to prove how smart they are.

and yes I say the same about cigarettes or Alcohol. Have you ever seen some one with the shakes or in the cancer ward on oxygen trying to get a cigarette.

Man most of you have only been here a little while and probably are not going to stay too long. If I complained about all the problems I had growing up Muslim in America.... Where everything from the candy, chips, and vegetables was laced with pork, like you guys complain about the simple stuff here in Qatar I think I would be schizo by now. Stop complaining and enjoy your time in a crazy traffic, pork free :-) environment.

Act your age not your shoe size

So although you seem to be homophobic and condemn the actions you would have to notice the tongue kissing between males in the pool halls in this city and in Kuwait, the inappropriate touching of genitalia by male to males, and the blatant homosexuality that is pervasive in the Gulf States. At least do not be hypocritical in your examples.

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Them good ole' boys from the south. Well, they just ain't that choosey.

Who says incest is allowed in the States…

However, if one day the people like it to be legal…believe me it will be…it is so easy…

It is one of human rights…

From Wikipedia

“In France, incest isn't a crime in itself. Incestuous relations between an adult and a minor are prohibited and punished by law, but not between two minors or two adults.”

Regarding homosexuality legalization let’s see how the States went…

• In 1990, three states Texas, Kentucky, and Michigan repealed their laws outlawing homosexual practices.

• By 2000 28 states, homosexual practices are legal, six outlawed certain “deviate” practices – (sodomy).

• June 2003: 4 states still criminalized homosexual sodomy

• June 2003: Lawrence v. Texas- Supreme Court overturns 1986 Bowers v. Hardwick: States cannot criminalize homosexual sodomy, specifically.

• At the present time 87 cities or countries have passed ordinances prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

• Nine states also extend legal civil rights protection to gays.

I see you are progressing in human rights…go on…

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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You posted:

We are not allowed to give the non Muslims alcohol, we are also not allowed to commit adultry, fornicatioin with a non-Muslim,...

So adultery, homosexuality, and fornication within the faith is completely okay?

As for incest it is illegal in every jurisdiction I know of. Included in the being illegal is polygamy (the taking of more than one wife) as this is considered infidelity to one's spouse. Would you like to continue talking yourselves into corners?

And alcohol sales are legal in ALL muslim countries except Saudi and Kuwait, both of which have extensive underground sales and consumption.

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Dear Tyler,

First

I am talking about Islamic rules which should be followed by a one who claim he is a Muslim.

When I mention Muslims are not allowed to do …I meant true faith Muslim…..not any one who has a name, race, or even Muslim in his ID.

I am talking about how Muslims must behave…and live…

Muslims who are not following the rules are not evidence that the rules are not working…as there are millions out there behave as I said…and those kinds of people are much more than those you see in planes or pops or wherever…

“No marrying family? Explain the royal bloodline and cousin married to cousin...to the point that the rate of birth defects and genetic mutation is absurd”

Islam prohibits the marriage from those people:

• Mother (son with mother)

• Father (daughter with father)

• Sister (brothers and sisters)

• Uncle (nice with uncle)

• Aunt (with nephew)

• Grandfather (for both mother and father with any of daughter)

• Grandmother (for both mother and father with any of sons)

• Mother- in – low (husband not allowed to marry his mother in low forever once he got married to her daughter).

• Father – in –low (wife is not allowed to marry her father-in-low forever once she got married to his son)

• Sister-in-low (husband is not allowed to marry his sister – in – low as long as he is still married her sister, if her sister died or divorced then he is allowed then)

• Brother – in – low (wife is not allowed to marry her brother – in – low as long as she is still married his brother, if his brother died or divorced she is allowed then)

• Mother by breast feeding (one is not allowed to marry his mother by breast feeding as for his real mother)

• Sisters and brothers by breast feeding (any daughter or son of mother by breast feeding will be treated as sister to him/her)

The only people allowed from family tree are cousins, and in general this kind of marriage was not encouraging by Islam, As it may have some genetically problems, however, it is not prohibited.

I mean by family marriage is what happened in some countries and needless to state them, where fathers and mothers get married or have sex with their kids…which you called (“Incest”)

However, this kind of incest becomes legal under the freedom of thinking and freedom of actions…like marriage between homosexual in Europe… it becomes legal and nice..!!

Who knows ….what else will be legal by the freedom!!

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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Dear all,

Like what Vega said: Islam forbids the helping of driniking.

If people have freedom to drink & eat pork, Muslims have the freedom to not help that happen.

We are not allowed to give the non Muslims alcohol, we are also not allowed to commit adultry, fornicatioin with a non-Muslim,...

You are policemen & policewomen of your actions.

No, I'm not a policeman. I'm a grown adult who is responsible when and how I drink and respects the law of this country. I only drink in hotels and bars were they sale alcohol is permitted with a license and permit issue by the State of Qatar.

BBKSIU you are the religious FANATICAL policeman against drinking. You must be Saudi.

Do not invite death by the error of your life, nor bring on destruction by the works of your hands; because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living.

Solomon Chapter 1, verses 12-13

Again,

Why it is not allowed to sell pork in Qatar.

Why it is not allowed to sell wine in Qatar.

Why it is not allowed to have registered medically checked whores in Qatar.

It is very simple !!!

First:

Every country in the world has their sets of laws without being asked why they have these silly kinds of laws!!!

Like:

Why Muslims are not allowed to follow their religion in a foreign country.

Why people from poor countries need visas before traveling to (modern and free countries).

Why Muslims are not allowed to call for prayer outside mosques in Europe.

Second:

If something is forbidden in Islam (all actions related to it is forbidden as well).

For example:

Wine is forbidden that means:

You are not allowed to drink wine.

You are not allowed to carry wine

You are not allowed to hold a bottle of wine

You are not allowed to introduce wine to someone even if he is non Muslim

You are not allowed to sell or buy or trade with wine

You are not allowed to juice the grasp that you know it will be used to create wine

You are not allowed to guide someone to a place of wine.

You are not allowed to transport the wine from one country to another

You are not allowed to set in a place where people drink wine

I believe according to the democracy principle when the majority of a community chooses to create rules or whatever, the minority should follow them without complaining or wait till they became the majority and change or modify the silly rules.

What do you think after the above mentioned…for Qatar or any respectable Muslim country who wants to follow their own rules ….should they sell you some wine and pork!!!!?

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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See above regarding homosexuality....

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Dear all,

You are policemen & policewomen of your actions. I do not recommend anybody to drink publically nor secretly. I also do not recommend anybody to be in unncecessary co-ed places publically nor secretly.

Publically doing that in a Muslim country causes insults. You would insult the Qataris, then, Qataris would treat you badly(i.e. on roads). We need to break the cycle.

I do not recommend anybody to drink publically nor secretly. I also do not recommend anybody to be in unncecessary co-ed places.

• Muslims do not eat pork.

• Muslims do not drink any kinds of alcohol or take any drugs.

• Muslims do not commit adultery.

• Muslims are not homosexuals (for both women and men).

• Muslims do not get married to their mums or dads or brothers or sisters like some free people do.

So no homosexulaity? Appears differnet when one man touches another's genitalia that would be homosexual.

No adultery? Talk to any of the Muslims I know in arranged marriages...they make the world go round for the prostitutes. Look at the number who travel to western countries to find GF's

No alcohol? Explain why the thobe and abaya come off as soon as an airplane is wheels up and the first thing they do is order a drink?

No marrying family? Explain the royal bloodline and cousin married to cousin...to the point that the rate of birth defects and genetic mutation is absurd

No drugs? Explain the amount of opium grown in majorily Muslim countries or even the amount of Hashish smoked in this country by Muslims....or does it help them think?

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Allah Says in Quraan

“[53] Soon will We show them Our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?

[54] Ah indeed! are they in doubt concerning the Meeting with their Lord? Ah indeed! it is He that doth encompass all things!”

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Dear Tyler,

I will try to answer your easy question. Why Muslims do not eat pork!!?

First of all I would like to state another punch of why Muslims do not dos…

• Muslims do not eat pork.

• Muslims do not drink any kinds of alcohol or take any drugs.

• Muslims do not commit adultery.

• Muslims are not homosexuals (for both women and men).

• Muslims do not get married to their mums or dads or brothers or sisters like some free people do.

Islam was starting more than 1400 years ago, in this time there were no advanced science to prove any of these prohibitions.

As you might know, Muslims has 2 sources of their religion 1- the holy Quraan and 2- the prophet Mohamed’s life, his says, advices and actions.

If you try to spend just one hour you will discover how Arabs had lived before Islam, they have everything you asking about now, they have wine, women, commit adultery, and more than you can imagine.

They were live like Viking in Europe, just people who enjoy their life till the end of the enjoyment.

Islam came to bring people back to their peaceful and kindness nature, to remind them by their creator and their objective on this universe.

Allah (God), when sent Prophet Mohamed to whole people with a miracle of Quraan, people was asking how is Quraan will be a miracle compared to other miracles like the ones sent with other prophets.

How the Quraan will be the proof!!!?

The answer came from Quraan first, and then from people and not any people, it was people like you, advanced people, people who have very advanced laboratories and technologies and science.

A lot of scientific foundations and concept was revealed in Quraan more than 1400 years ago and then discovered only nowadays.

I believe when you trust someone, and told not to go this way as it is not suitable to your car and give you another way, I think you will take his advice and will never try to prove he is wrong.

Islam did not stop your mind or wants you to stop your mind, however as a believer you should follow what you have been told as you believe from the first it is for your benefits here and hereafter.

And it is in its nature is Allah’s test for human being to judge you in the judgment day, have you followed what he ordered you or disobeyed and followed your desires and not your mind

Allah Says “[43] Seest thou such a one as taketh for his god his own passion (or impulse)? Couldst thou be a disposer of affairs for him?”

Finally, as you see you are free completely to choose your life. No one can force you to accept or refuse any ideas. You are free to choose because you are human being valued with a beautiful mind.

Regarding why Qatar, did not sell pork here, you can consider it as why it is forbidden in Europe or USA for a Muslim man to get more than Muslim wife!!! Could you consider it as a kind of freedom violation?

Below is a just a pick from the internet, which id fully with similar topics about the hazardous of eating pork, swine, bacon, or pigs.

From wikipedia

Pigs harbour a range of parasites and diseases that can be easily transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Very commonly, pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract. The presence of these diseases and parasites is one of the main reasons why pork meat should always be well cooked or cured before eating.

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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Sami- Thank you for posting these wonderful articles. The only problem is that during the same time periods that those articles were written..

1) Eggs were extremely dangerous

2) Milk was not pasteurized

3) Cheese could kill you

4) Qatari's were riding camels

Now lets go find some current research that states-

1) Pork is as safe as any other meat

2) Modern hog farms are far cleaner than the chicken coops of the modern day

3) Pork has been shown to be a much better alternative for health than beef...known as the other whit meat next to chicken

4) Hogs in modern day are fed diets of grain just as cows and chickens

So lets drop the ancient knowledge and catch up with the modern world. Pork is forbidden by religion and is a choice to be followed by man. The ability to make a choice on wether to consume pork should be as much a FREE choice as drinking alohol, committing adultery, looking at pornographry, driving faster than the posted speed limits, using turning indicators while driving, smoking cigarettes......

So you say there is a logical reason to legally bind an entire populace. In that case lets address the EXTREMELY high rate of adultery amongst the population, lets ban automobiles and women as they just encourage the good hearted feeble minded (see post by fc1yrg above) Muslim population of the country to do BAD things.

Use your head and understand we are not questioning your personal choice to consume pork or to not indulge in the other Haram acts. We only question the lack of choice (freedom) given to those of us who choose to enjoy these items.

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Dr. E. Kazim. M.D. in his article "Medical aspects of forbidden foods in Islam" (July 1981 issue of Muslim Journal has described diseases carried or caused by the flesh of the swine.

He writes:

The pig is a scavenger. It is an omnivorous animal. It eats everything. There are many diseases carried from swine to man, particularly parasite infestations. Lately extensive research has been focused on senility-old age is characterized by hardening of inner lining of the blood vessels of the heart, brain etc. a process called atheroselerosis. When a clot forms, it results in coronary thrombosis or a heart attack, cerebral thrombosis or stroke.

Different dietary factors are responsible for atheroselerosis. Gross atheroma may be produced in rabbit by feeding it with cholesterol, but when you add lard (derived from hog fat) to the cholesterol, the incidence of atheroma is increased and thus you would produce coronary thrombosis, and myocardial infraction.

Besides, lard contains 2800 units of vitamin D per 100 grams and no vitamin A at all. Lately vitamin D has been held responsible for atheroma, by causing increased absorption of calcium in the blood vessels. In human beings, serum cholesterol is not dependent on the intake of cholesterol in the diet, but depends upon the proportion of animal fats in the diet, which elevates the beta-lipo protein level in the blood. Animal fats contain saturated fatty acids and these saturated fatty acids have been found to be as one of the causes of atheroma in man. Medium fat bacon contains 25% proteins and 55% fat.

According to medical research, the fat content in pork is more than any other meat (beef, mutton etc.) and it takes longer to digest. Dr. M Jaffer in an article in the Islamic Review (London) of January 1997 issue has listed 16 kinds of harmful germs, which have been discovered in pork in modern researches and the diseases, which could be caused by them. The number of patients suffering from tapeworm disease is the highest in the world among pork eating nations. Other diseases attributed to pigs are caused by tri-chinelia spirates and intestinal worms occupy first place among such nations too.

Dr. Glen Shepherd wrote the following on the dangers of eating pork in Washington Post (31 May 1952).

"One in six people in USA and Canada have germs in their muscles - trichinosis 8 from eating pork infected with trichina worms. Many people who are infected shows no symptoms. Most of those, who do have, recover slowly. Some die; some are reduced to permanent invalids. All were careless pork caters".

He continued "No one is immune from the disease and there is no cure. Neither antibiotics nor drugs or vaccines affect these tiny deadly worms. Preventing infection is the real answer."

After reading the statement of Dr. Shepherd, one can realize that there is no real guarantee of safety when eating pork that one would not be affected by trichina worm. That is why modern doctors advise three prohibitions during illness: no liquor, no pork and no smoking.

Jews also prohibit pork.

Many things acquire bacteria by poor handling and some thing are by nature impure and bacteria prone- like scavengers.

Please read:

http://www.ehalal.net/Islam/Haram_files/Haram%20Pork.htm

Hopefully it would be as educational for you as it was for me.

Regards,

fc1- By your rationalization above you have now equated Islmaic beleifs with known diseases. Alcoholism and addictions are classified as disease by the medical community.

I am not a smoker yet everyone here smokes, does that mean that I should just give in and smoke? You have some flawed logic to this argument my friend.

As for Islam and pork/alcohol there are millions of Muslims living throughout the world who reject these items daily with nary a thought to the temtation, are you contesting that Qatari's are just so weak of will that they cannot resist a temptation?

What about sex? Women are everywhere yet they resist that temptation (at least in public in their own country)

Just feeding your mind a few thoughts to contemplate.

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Munozchick - I agree with you to some extend, but then again,

1. would you smoke in front of a friend whom you know trying to quit smoking

2. would you invite someone to a pub if he/she is an alcoholic.

I guess you would not do this to a friend and say to him/her its a matter of personal choice.

In the same manner, there are people (e.g., Korean/Chinese) that eat dog meat and this is considered a delicacy and is normal. What if they demand that dogs abbatoirs be legalised in europe/states - would that request be faced with opposed with absolute disgust or legalised?

R

I tell you this: I got one, big HOG bill to be paid off.

The name of this PORK company is called QTEL!

Freaking HOG'S are sniffing my pocket for QR800.

AND THAT HURTS!

I'm angry at this HOG BILL!.

Is my own fault and no one else's.

Oh well feces happens.

My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. So be it.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 16,

It's the same principle when the country's bars BAN Qataris. As I said last night, wouldn't that be a personal choice? Just because you are Muslim or even Arab doesn't mean that there are certain things that you like to do. To believe in a Religion doesn't mean believing in every single little aspect of it. I am Christian but I don't believe every little thing. If you do believe it all, then that's great but not everyone else has to. I don't think that a Muslim going out or eating pork means that they don't believe in their religion. By "banning" the temptations, I think it only makes things worse.

From what I can gather, some of us think that banning of pork in Qatar is some form of discrimination against the minorities and lack of tolerance on the Qataries part.

we as foreigners, at our own freewill, came to their country and want them to change their law - all for the sake of our tastebuds? Aren't we the ones being the hypocrates around here?

If they decided to lift the ban on pork, I am all for it, but if they won't, I won't go as far as calling them intolerant, discriminating etc. I might on other issues but not on this. So what if they ban pork because they are afraid that their fellow Muslim might succumb to their earthy desires and eat pork. It is their job to help their own people by creating the right environment for them to practice their religion.

There are other important things to improve in Qatar, e.g., working conditions, traffic conditions etc.

We live in a free country! oh .. wait... we actually don't

and thats why you can't get Pork :)

You can't defend your religion by attacking another religion! We should be open minded enough to accept others as others should be open minded enough to accept us.

Diversity is such a blessing, otherwise we would be living in a boring World.

I believe in Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. Why don't we look at the similarties for a change rather than be on each others throats?!!! am I mistaken that we could have a decent constructive post without attacking each other?!! or the fact remains that utopia is just a myth?!

Happy holidays People (this means Merry Christmass & happy New Year for Christians, Happy Eid for Muslims AND Happy Hanukka for Jews)

so ... where can I get it again? hubby's friend said he got joint of pork from Lulu for Christmas dinner instead of turkey.

I thought this thread was about pork, now how did Christ's divinity get involved with it?

=^..^=

GOD did not rise jesus from the dead...jesus never said he was GOD son..the ppl said that out of ignorance..who did mary pray to when jesus was in her womb? her unborn child? and who did the people of noah,moses,david.etc..pray to? adam had know father so who was his father..jesus was not a son and father.i guess my son is my father to!!!!

Butterfly, it all boils down to whether the government want to sell pork or not.

It's readily available in Duba, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain etc in specific stores and is well marked as (non muslims only).

In Turkey (a secular state) pork has only appeared on the supermarket shelves within the last 6 months. We have not seen any so far in the large supermarket chains Carrefoure or KIPA (Tesco).

Maybe the powers that be are still deciding who is going to "sponsor" it?

If I remember rightly, Spinnys operated the supermarket in "The Center" in the early late 80's or early 90's on condition that they would be allowed to sell pork. That permission was never granted and they (Spinneys) pulled out of The Center.

I also remember bacon flavoured crisps being imported in the mixed flavour packs. They had to be removed before sale and were offered "under the counter" to regular and known customers at Christmas.

I have read the Quran and I understand that muslims believe it to be the true word of God. And I respect that. But obviously that's something that I do not believe, personally I think the Quran has nothing to do with God, those are my beliefs, are you ready to respect that?.

Again, I think most of us can survive without pork, fine. But just imagine that not all qataries are muslims, I'm sure that's possible, there must be atheists, buddists or christians amongst the qatari population. Am I saying something crazy? Like, hello? welcome to the twenty first century? An age of tolerance and diversity anyone? Why an entire country has to live with imposed religious doctrines, rules and regulations?

I'm sure a true muslim would not eat pork even if carrefour was giving bacon for free.

Why the ban then? Are they afroid that muslims will sucumb to their earthy desires and eat pork?

Guys, those who REALLY can't survive without pork, buy it at Choithiram supermarket in Dubai. Tell them you are from Doha. They will put a sticker saying "indian beef" or something else on it, and then feel free to take it with you. No one will say nothing at the airport.

Butterfly u said (I'm surprised that everyone has missed the point. We all know that Muslims believe the Quran is the true word of God, so they will not eat pork.)

I know that the majority of non muslims taught that 'Mahomet' was the author of the Qur'an; invariably told that the 'author' of the Qur'an simply compiled, in a slightly different form, stories of sacred history taken from the Bible; the 'author' was said to have added or removed certain passages, while setting forth the principles and rules of the religion he himself had founded.

Today, there are in these world some over one thousand Million Muslims (al hamdoulillah) who unhesitantly accept that the Holy Qur'an is the "Word of God" and that is a "Miracle".

“We will show them our proofs in the horizons, and within themselves, until they realise that this is the truth. Is your Lord not sufficient as a witness of all things?” (The Quran, 41:53)

“Why do they not study The Quran carefully? If it were from other than God, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.” (The Quran, 4:82)

You've to know that the Quran deals with hundreds of issues, and reiterates many stories of the past nations. Yet, no one can show any incongruity or contradictions among the more than 6000 verses of The Quran. Many have tried but all of their apparent contradictions stem from misinterpreting the original Arabic and thus producing two or more statements, which seem to conflict with each other, when in truth, this is not the case.

AND WE MADE FROM WATER EVERY LIVING THING WILL THEY (THE UNBELIEVERS, THE ATHEISTS AND THE AGNOSTICS)THEN NOT BELIEVE

Holy Quran 21:30

So when did you discover this fact that all living beings are came from water ?" The answer is YESTERDAY (billions of years ago primaeval matter in the sea began to generate protoplasm out of which came the ameoba; and out of all the mire in the sea came all living things. In one word all life came from Water).

Give you one more......

"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness." (The Quran, 4:82)

We do not know when it was realized that human beings underwent development in the uterus (womb), but the first known illustration of a fetus in the uterus was drawn by Leonardo da Vinci in the 15th century. The staging of human embryos was not described until the 20th century."The three veils of darkness" may refer to: (l) the anterior abdominal wall; (2) the uterine wall; and (3) the amniochorionic membrane.

With your basic ideas on the Qur'an - which are inaccurate, just as those of most people in the West try to make an effort before making a judgment ...take an english version and read it.

You will discover more and more....:-)

* statements that are in perfect agreement with today's ideas concerning the movements and evolution of the heavenly bodies;

* a prediction of the conquest of space;

* notions concerning the water cycle in nature and the earth's relief, which were not proven correct until many centuries later.

For u Novita: Stop complaining cause Pork is not allowed in Qatar....i think u will survive, u not gonna die..just relax and take it easy babe.

You are so sweet, how old are you, four?, maybe five?

You see, I thought that was a discussion amongst adults...

Don't worry, when you grow up hopefully you will be able to come up with better arguments than "if you don't like it, then leave".

Now, go watch Bob the Builder.

In the end of the day it is our choice to leave Doha. But i think we still have the right to whine and complain about the country aren't we?

If it's really that much of a strain on you, I am sure nobody will stop you if you choose to leave Doha.

You're in somone else's country. They have their own rules. Get over it.

I'm surprised that everyone has missed the point. We all know that Muslims believe the Quran is the true word of God, so they will not eat pork. Period.

Forget about common sense. What makes sense to us, doesn't make sense to others. I don't have a problem with them not eating pork, however the fact that they are not allowing me to eat pork is a different matter.

The problem here is that there is a ban in pork comsuption. We live in the 21st century and it is unbelievable that governments do not acknoledge that there are different religions and actively discriminate against minorities. There must be a non muslim qatari out there who has the right to eat pork if he wants to!

That's what you get when you let religion govern a country: hipocresy, discrimination and nosense.

"Th-th-th-that's all folks!"

..Charles Dickens wrote in Great Expectations, "If you want a subject, look to pork!"

Why do you drive a car? No where in the Quran is this mentioned nor the bible. (Respected Tyler)

MODERN MEANS OF TRANSPORT

"And horses, mules, and donkeys both to ride and for adornment. And He creates other things you do not know". (Qur'an, 16:8)

The above verse indicates that in addition to the animals mentioned here, people will have various unknown (to them) means of transport. The following verse points to the fact that there will be such mass modes of transport as ships:

"A Sign for them is that We carried their families in the laden ship. And We have created for them the like of it, in which they sail". (Qur'an, 36:41-42)

Where?

It's Christmas on Monday, and I have to do it all WITHOUT a gammon..... It's not Christmas without gammon.... is it?

Plenty of us will be having a HAPPY party on Sunday. Poor BB though, it is a mixed gender (ie FUN) environment with LOTS of alcohol, so although it will be fun for us he would be really sad.

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Poor BB. we should have a party for him or something. a happy party, where we direct the other invitees to go out and pick up rubbish to make him feel happy. Not me, I'll be in charge of drinks.

As this forum discusses many topics and freely, as is our right as thinking, breathing human beings. God, Allah, or any other name by which you call him created our minds and our free will to have discussions and to grow as a species. We evolve daily through enlightened discussion. The fact that pork is mentioned in the bible and the quran means that at some point a plague was most likely attributed to swine.

Most Christians will eat pork despite its mention in the bible, just as some Muslims imbibe alcohol occasionally. Just because it was written in a book by a man many years ago does not prevent change.

Or were you referring to not discussing the fact that all written texts were created by man? I am quite sorry as to want you to at least place thought to WHY you do certain things vice blindly following a text that was meant as guidance for life not a step by step instruction manual.

Why do you drive a car? No where in the Quran is this mentioned nor the bible, in fact driving a car could be Haraam as it reduces your exercise and causes toxic gases which could kill you. No you do so out of convenience.

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As long as I come back as Kobe beef at least I would be the best at what I was!

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Tyler, you did say "God, Allah, Buddha..." in your second post. And if from the buddhist point of view , there is no point in this discussion at all, becaus anything you are eating now might have been a reincarnation of your grandfather or Julius Caesar :)

The cool thing in Buddhism is that nobody prohibits you from eating anything, but don't comlplain about your carma afterwards, as you might end up being a piece of beef in your next life.

is bbksiu. He is a real personality on this site. He is into buses and caring for the environment. Most of the time he is a pretty cool honcho but he does get sad a lot.

A user with the name BBKSIU, he always needs to be made happy as everythingwe heathens discuss makes him sad, you guys should have a great mutually beneficial relationship.

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HaShMi

lol, in my language BB means wife (bewi, simply called BB). Thanks for your sincere offer but i have my own and can kill me on just thinking about any other. So just thanks

i just search in thread who is bb, by the way.

Regards.

I don't miss home at all and am in no way hurt by your words as they are just words. The dating for you and BB would be just "friends" he needs cheering up as everything makes him sad and you are only out to give happy endings it could be good for both of you.

No thanks on the asian dinner but i appreciate the offer.

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HaShMi

Dear

I just read all thread, during disscusion you become worry about me even about my next sex partner. My friend you take my words very seriously (in my language *On your Heart*).

I am realizing that here you are missing your home foods, thus you start disscusing about Pork.

Can i offer you an ASIAN FOOD DINNER as i feel you hurt by my words .

Regarding dating for me, just read all QL history i never tried .

You see my Picture (Signature) . Its my kid (10 months)

man...i hate fish.

munoz- you can name your favorite dish and I shall prepare it.Perhaps a salmon diner....

For the rest we shall enjoy PORK.

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ew

sawwy munoz for the complete disrespect in not getting the name correct. Thanks again fr your help, I shall cook a splendid all PORK meal and serve the masses this wonderful delicasy.

(In my own home with no public announcement so as to be moderately legal)

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Did I put Budha in anywhere in my posts? mmmm....NO it is a beleif system I stay away from as is Hinduism. These are topics I do not discuss as I cannot do so intelligently. Otherwise, if we went that route, we may have been having a BEEF discussion regarding not eating cows. Lets not go there as we can consume steaks aplenty.

And no I shall not be forgetting about PORk....NO NO NO

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Tyler...just talked to the hubby and he said the PX will be finished with renovation on the 24th and they'll have the pork then. We'll get in touch with you then and see what you want. Oh and if you can read...read my name again. It's MUNOZ.

HaShMi

Again thanks, thinking about me.I am so lucky.Forget PORK???

Tyler, Buddha is not a God. Buddhism is a religion which has NO God at all. Buddha is the state of enlightment of the spirit. Anyone can become a Buddha.

Thank you much for your assistance munzo and for your compliment.

We are not trying to make life difficult for anyone. The fact that 85% of the country is multinational the economy already reflects this diversity except in this one area. A progressive modern society allows for decisions to be ade on an individual basis. We no longer live in a world of physical boundaries as we have become one economy. There is a pervasive shift to the global culture as seen in the many changes throughout the world.

We have merely stated that other than it being written in a book there is no valid reason to restrict access to pork. The choices made by individuals should not be dictated by governments.

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I cannot help feeling that the eating of "unclean" pork is related to the fact that the meat goes "off" so quickly in hot climates and is subsequently classed as unclean.

I'm sure that many of you (particularly from the UK) have heard of the saying "Never eat pork when there is no R in the month".

(May, June, July & August) when it is often very hot in the UK (well, most years anyway)

This of course was before the invention and widespread use of

refrigerators.

Thats funny I tried to change my picture like 3 days ago but it just kept using the old one and all of the sudden the new one shows up. Hmmm.

SFD- It is not a discussion to offend you. Please, if there is anything said that DOES offend you, let any one of us know :)

Tyler- you moron. I'll ask the hubby what they have right now and if they have anything, he'll get it. I'll let you know.

I do not see a real discussion here about Islam and pork - just users dreaming about having bacon and sausages. *yummmm!*

OK, back to the real subject...The way I see it, its in their religion and culture not to touch pork. Just because we miss bacon, why are we trying to make it difficult for them in their country to try and maintain some elements of their culture. Why impose our 'freedom of choice' speech on them? We have our freedom of choice - stay or leave....

Just because they compromised on the consumption of alcohol, does this mean they also have to compromise again on pork?

So BB is made sad by everything and sfd is looking make us happy. There you have it a match made in Heaven. I was wrong this is a matchmaking forum.. You two should hit it off just fine! Send us the wedding pictures!

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HaShMi

Thank You sir for your comments .i am sorry if you feel anything bad from my words.

i just requested to stop this disscusion, not forcing & saying you wrong or right.

if you will happy to continue PORK, go ahead. i'll be happy to find you happy.

i dont want to be the subject/title of any post.

Thanks for your passions.

Regards,

The base I am on has no grocery section The closest thing to pork is Vienna Sausage.

If you have a grocery section in the PX there then please get me some. In fact pick up pork, pork chops, some ribs, and even some american beef steaks. I pay a very nice handling fee for meeting in the middle.

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It shouldn't be a "sensitive subject".

Oh and Tyler, get off of your damn computer, walk to the PX and buy some pork. The PX is now the "blackmarket"?? Ummk.

Oh and I hate pork :)

As I just gleaned from you last post...this is not the correct forum for looking for your next sex partner either. This entire board is open to discussions but I think you should be checking out some other site as the women on here are quite hostile and not likely to be your next partner.

This is a discussion forum for ideas and other topics not a dating service.

Now back to PORK

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bacon, sausages,crackling,sausage rolls,ham, gammon yum yum

Remember this motto to live by:

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving

safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in

sideways, chocolate i

I guess our friend is illiterate or just typically ignorant. There is a thread in the religion section as I posted above to discuss the issue.

http://www.qatarliving.com/discussion/blindly-follow-or-tool-for-thougt-21dec2006

As for not being religious scholars....why do you need to be a scholar to ask questions or think? Who deemsthese MEN "scholars"? Seems absurd that he will even bring that into my PORK discussion.

Point number two is that not all of us are living in Qatar and last time I checked there was no law about questioning Islam only against proselytizing.

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HaShMi

Respected friends,

My request to not start this type of disscusion here does'nt mean i am (or muslim) scare to give answers & clarification about said subjects.i just requested that this is not a right forum for these sensitive issues. Relegion is not like that subject, i am in search of girl friend and all forum fellow are giving their comments.

Dear QL fellows, as my respected friend Mr. Tyler write:

I just want to point out that All Muslim beleive:Quran is not like that as anyone can interprate from above lines(writen or changed/modified by Men)

and may be this can be a start of endless war, so my friends just avaoid that type of disscusions. We are living in an Islamic country , we have avoid the things which can lead/reach up to Gov./CID level.

and second thing; Non of us is a relegious scholar so why we waste our time on useless disscusion.

If anyone have a real concern then there is a forum/place to disscus these issues

Qatar Guest Center

Al Wabrah Street,

Freej Kulaib,

Doha,

State Of Qatar.

P.O. Box : 22278

[email protected]

Tel. : +974 486 2390 / 7

Fax. : +974 486 2358

The Qatar Guest Center opens at 8:30am to 12:30pm and from 4:00pm to 8:30pm everyday expect Thursdays (Half day till 12:30) and Friday is off.

Thanks My friends

Skeeter exists for a good breakfast, po'boys is still around for lunch and a few beers in the evening. And of course about 15 bars that change names every 3 years

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From what I can gather and been told, you can get absolutly anything your heart desires if you know the right people (including things that are illegal in all states and countries (well apart from amsterdam perhaps))

Qatar will undoubtedly head the same way as Dubai, there are specific "non muslim" sections (ok pork sections) in the supermarkets over there.

If your grown up enough to know that you dont want to touch pork then fine, however, alcohol is also in the same arena as this. Something a lot of muslims do partake in.

You're born, you take s**t. You get out in the world, you take more s**t. You climb a little higher, you take less s**t. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what s**t even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake son.

I had pork in a vienna Sausage, Ham at lunch, and even sweet and sour pork the other other day. I just want a kilo of fresh THICK sliced bacon I can cook up crispy and make a sandwich with. The soggy cafeteria bacon where I work does NOT count as bacon.

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Hardly...I had pork this morning.

I hear that there is a black swine market in Doha if you know the right people. The rules only apply to us mere mortals.

Turkey is NOT pork and I hate to have to eat my cousin or brother

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Have you tried Smoked turkey strips or turkey bacon some of it gets close. However for some, eating turkey is considered to be cannabalism. LOL

As beef cattle are now raised on a diet of grain as are swine we can exclude the swine diet as a reason for not eating them. As for other reasons, the only reason that modern man of certain faiths are not eating this delicious and nutritious creature is the writings of man. If we can all band together and have a huge hog roast in the desert we can perhaps convert some of the non beleivers. I am a true beleiver of it tastes good EAT it. A christmas ham, Christmas morning Bacon sandwuch, Pork pepperoni (beef is too greasy and lacks flavor for this), A nice Polish Sausage for lunch, Shake and bake Pork chops, stuffed pork chops, and on and on

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Do you remember Skeeter's on Gainesville on SW34th st? Is it still there? Bacon you could die for?

Sorry, chcbk I guess I am being insensitive and trivialising your point.

Crispy bacon with scrambled eggs and hashbrowns. I would pay dearly for that.

mmmmmmmm Bacon....i do miss it

Being a human being means you have will and thought. I am just expressing my thoughts. I question many things daily and you will now find the post below for just that topic. Now back to dreaming of bacon.

http://www.qatarliving.com/discussion/blindly-follow-or-tool-for-thougt-21dec2006

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The porky contest just started.

Tyler or you going to spend all day complaining about Qatari culture?

Please see my reply to your post about the wear of Abayas and their impact on driving safety. The same thing basically applies to this post as well.

You're questioning a very strict belief structure. Just because Christians seem to casually pick and chose which parts of the Bible they want to follow on a regular basis doesn't mean Muslims are willing to do the same thing.

If you lived your whole life in a society that did not eat pork then I doubt you would be questioning it. You would accept it and move on. Why come to another country and start questioning things that the local people have based their entire lives on for thousands of years?

So your saying right now you couldnt consume half a plate of bacon with not forgetting the most important a few kilo's of pork sausages with a hint of apple??

You're born, you take s**t. You get out in the world, you take more s**t. You climb a little higher, you take less s**t. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what s**t even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake son.

sfd24 is probably upset that you are questioning the Quran. I was very interested about the religion a while ago and had big discussions with people about the finer details. Just when you would get to the pinnacle of the debate, and I felt I was getting closer to the reason behind something, the response would be "we don't know- you are not supposed to question it".

Given that the underlying purpose of religion is supposed to be faith and belief in GOD, denying yourself of bacon appears to us mere non-muslims as having no nexus with whether you worship god or act like a nice civil person.

I just throw out a topic to get it started, where it goes is up to the imagination and in general what I put up is for entertainment purposes only. I do enjoy a good chuckle at some of the comments and even try to incite or solicit further comments.

As to this one pork has been proven low in cholesterol and quite good as an occasional meat. No meat is good for you in mass quantities but all is necessary for a variety of amino acids and proteins it provides. Fish and the especially the fat in fish has certain healthy aspects. Beef is necessary for amino acids. Chicken, well I am not a fan of either the texture nor the flavor. Pork...mmmm nothing like some good baby backs or a fried up pork chop.

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I don't believe that he is looking to start a debate. I believe he is simply looking for clarification. There is nothing at all wrong with that. The Muslims that I know are always willing to clarify things for me. They see it as a good thing that a non Muslim is going to a Muslim for a correct answer rather than listening to rumors, etc. No matter what religion you are, you should be proud to answer such inquiries. It is no secret that Muslims do not eat pork.

The other white meat........

This forum is going to be superbly interesting. There is going to be so many, conversational spin offs, That you, will be completely overwhelm, maintaining the focal points of your forum in check. Will see what happens.

This topic is not as such religious.

It is about the reasons behind the non consumption of pork, there is no to little difference in the way or means of slaughter of such meat.

As quite rightly stated cleanliness has improved over the millenia since the religious scripts were written (by men hundreds of years after the events took place).

Also taking into consideration the fact that swine are actually the cleanest and most inteligent of animals that are consumed (barring dogs of course but we dont live in the countries where they are consumed thank goodness).

One fact we are all aware of, religion is a fact in most peoples daily lives and if we wish to talk about it on an open forum then lets!

As long as people do NOT start pointing the finger at which one is the best/oldest/most poignant or which is causing the most trouble then go for it!!!!

You're born, you take s**t. You get out in the world, you take more s**t. You climb a little higher, you take less s**t. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what s**t even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake son.

HaShMi

Respected Brother,

Please don't start this type of disscusion here.Your comments about Quran & this Pork disscusion is a very sensitive issue. Just stop it here Please.

No relegious disscusion please.

Thanks a lot.