Hindu Cremation Angers US Muslims
A decision by a US family of Bangladeshi origin to cremate their Muslim son in the Hindu tradition, not according to Islamic teachings, has angered American Muslims, reported The New York Times on Saturday, October 4.
"It is our job to bury him in the Muslim way," said Junnun Choudhury, secretary of the Jamaica Muslim Center at the New York city.
Shafayet Reja, a 22-year-old Muslim, died in a car accident last month while returning from a Ramadan iftar at Stony Brook’s Muslim Students Association.
Immediately, his Hindu mother and Muslim father decided to cremate his body in Hindu tradition.
Reja, who graduated from the State University of New York at Stony Brook in 2007, was studying to be a licensed insurance broker.
Some of Reja's close friends said that he told them about his wish to have a Muslim burial.
"It was the community’s business because the community knew he (Reja) was a Muslim," said Choudhury.
In Islam, cremation is prohibited as it is disrespectful to the dead body and Islam calls for respecting human beings whether alive or dead.
It is an obligation on Muslims as a community to ensure that every Muslim who dies is properly washed, shrouded, and buried according to the teachings of Islam.
The Muslim minority in the US is estimated between six to seven million.
Family Choice
Reja's parents insist that the burial of their son was a private issue.
"This is a family decision," Farhad, the mother, said.
"This is America."
The family says that the Muslim protest against their son's cremation was a violation of their civil rights.
"We have freedom of religion, and we have the Constitution," said the Rejas’ son Mishal, 19, who studies at Washington University in St. Louis.
"Why would they bother us? It's none of their business. Even if he was the most hard-core Muslim."
The family had turned down pleas by several American Muslims to reverse their decision to cremate the Muslim son.
Furthermore, the family filed a complaint with the Police Department's hate crimes unit alleging that some Muslims accosted them at their son's funeral and threatened to boycott and bomb their shopping center in Jackson Heights, Queens.
But Muslims, who protested against the family decision, refuted the claims.
"(We did not call for boycott, but protesting the cremation was) a social obligation and a religious obligation," said Zakaria Masud, Secretary of the Jackson Heights Bangladeshi Business Association.
Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=12217205098...
The last rites depend on your surrounding & have evolved due to prevailing conditions. If you bury some-one in some places in India, you will find water after a little digging. They also found that sometimes buried bodies are eaten away by wild animals and insects.
You won't find wood in desert so they prefer to bury without coffin also.
i will donate my body to the medical students and whatever useful organs like eyes, kidneys etc.i will donate to the needy person. i have already made the paper saying my will. and i told my parents too after my death no need of any religious prayers or anything like prayer or poojs or cremation etc. i will ask my relative to do according to the will i made
Brit: exactly my thoughts ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Well done Nairanbabu.. A very good choice and will hopefuly help give life to many..
good choice narain :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
You are all missing one key element .. The story says ..
"Shafayet Reja, a 22-year-old Muslim, died in a car accident last month while returning from a Ramadan iftar at Stony Brook’s Muslim Students Association."
He was a practising muslim, so should be buried as a muslim..
hahahahaahahaha! Who cares what happens to our body when you are dead? Aren't you being too materialistic?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
what kind of debate is this? live and let live.... its each persons right to live and die how they choose -
Narainbabu, please don't open a whole new can of worms with your statement of "over and above no one is born in any religion." - Muslims believe we are all born into Islam and its our parents that change our religion....
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
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Narainbabu, Let me ask one thing. What do you like to do with your body after your death?
Narainbabu: I agree, "Live and let die"
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
after a person died any one can tell anything he told me like this that etc. the parents will decide how to cremate their son's dead body. it is not friends. over and above no one is born in any religion. it is the society and parents give them everything. whether you create of bury or dump it is will melt with the sand. then why the hell you are raising religious arguments. whether you die muslim or hindu or christian do you know where he goes or what he do? this is only belief. you know parsi's are giving the deadbody for eagel to eat. this is their tradition. who are you to ask others right? are you next to god?
I am a latecomer.. ;(
I would like to respond on the original post - - Its the parents choice, no one else has any say.
who gave you passport?
hey why do not going pakistan then? hindustan got its own culture?
"Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust".. Yes, that is true for Christianity. However, it does not apply to Islam.
No-body up for medical science then?
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"There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop out". - Richard Dawkins
Foolish me: Bingo ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
lol did you really get what platao means..... you said "A true believer is someone who does what God's exactly wants you to do" and if you follow that, isnt it the same way as what did platao said, to love one another as God love us?...
GARRISON KEILLOR reviews 'Dying of the Light' by Julian Barnes in The New York Times.
Excepts from http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/books/review/Keillor-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
'So Barnes turns toward the strict regime of science and here is little comfort indeed. We are all dying. Even the sun is dying. Homo sapiens is evolving toward some species that won't care about us whatsoever and our art and literature and scholarship will fall into utter oblivion. Every author will eventually become an unread author. And then humanity will die out and beetles will rule the world. A man can fear his own death but what is he anyway? Simply a mass of neurons. The brain is a lump of meat and the soul is merely "a story the brain tells itself." Individuality is an illusion. Scientists find no physical evidence of "self" — it is something we've talked ourselves into. We do not produce thoughts, thoughts produce us. "The 'I' of which we are so fond properly exists only in grammar." Stripped of the Christian narrative, we gaze out on a landscape that, while fascinating, offers nothing that one could call Hope. (Barnes refers to "American hopefulness" with particular disdain.)'
'"There is no separation between 'us' and the universe." We are simply matter, stuff. "Individualism — the triumph of free-thinking artists and scientists — has led to a state of self-awareness in which we can now view ourselves as units of genetic obedience."'
'All true so far as it goes, perhaps, but so what? Barnes is a novelist and what gives this book life and keeps the reader happily churning forward is his affection for the people who wander in and out, Grandma Scoltock in her hand-knitted cardigan reading The Daily Worker and cheering on Mao Zedong,while Grandpa watched "Songs of Praise" on television, did woodwork and raised dahlias, and killed chickens with a green metal machine screwed to the doorjam that wrung their necks. The older brother who teaches philosophy, keeps llamas and likes to wear knee breeches, buckle shoes, a brocade waistcoat. We may only be units of genetic obedience, but we do love to look at each other. Barnes tells us he keeps in a drawer his parents' stuff, all of it, their scrapbooks, ration cards, cricket score cards, Christmas card lists, certificates of Perfect Attendance, a photo album of 1913 entitled "Scenes From Highways & Byways," old postcards ("We arrived here safely, and, except for the ham sandwiches, we were satisfied with the journey"). The simple-minded reader savors this sweet lozenge of a detail. We don't deny the inevitability of extinction, but we can't help being fond of that postcard.'
'"Wisdom consists partly in not pretending anymore, in discarding artifice. . . . And there is something infinitely touching when an artist, in old age, takes on simplicity. . . . Showing off is part of ambition; but now that we are old, let us have the confidence to speak simply." And so he does. In this meditation on death, he brings to life, in short sure strokes, his parents, Albert and Kathleen.'
'"She lay in a small, clean room with a cross on the wall; she was indeed on a trolley, with the back of her head towards me. . . . She seemed, well, very dead: eyes closed, mouth slightly open, and more so on the left side than the right, which was just like her — she used to hang a cigarette from the right corner of her mouth and talk out of the opposite side. . . . I touched her cheek several times, then kissed her at the hairline. Was she that cold because she'd been in the freezer, or because the dead are naturally so cold? . . . 'Well done, Ma,' I told her quietly. She had, indeed, done the dying 'better' than my father. He had endured a series of strokes, his decline stretching over years; she had gone from first attack to death altogether more efficiently and speedily." In her effects he finds a full bottle of cream sherry and a birthday cake, untouched.'
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
I prefer cremation. Why? Coz, I am not exactly a saint. So I will have to spend my time in "Johannum". And Johannum you know "Hell fire" where people are Roasted in a slow fire for ages. So if I am cremated I turn to ash and thus fire proof.
lol marhabtain, keep it up... ;) did u mean my avatar, or the devilish one?
Yes Plato. You need the guidance of Creator how to live. If you are a true believer then only you understand it. I don't have to do something to others to get well treatment for them. I live according to my Creator's instruction and I am happy to follow that. I dont want any 'creations' instructions.....
Just trying to change what is after all a rather morbid subject! Gosh, I love your picture! Yumeeeeee! But Yippee, Yippeee, its Bombay gin for me!
lol marhabtain, still on the gin i see...
Nice to Nice: You need God's guidance to know how to live in Earth? Do Upon others what you would like them to do to you, it's as easy as this.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I have one for u too, instead of an expensive marinade use Cocal Cola! Its super for tendersising meats of any kind! Yummeeeeeeeeeeeee of and Yippee, Yippeee, its Bombay gin for me!
im still "for" the cremation....when my time comes, that is...
If you aware about life after death....then only you will understand the requirement, else.......
What for, nice to nice?
Yes MD,He will put you back together in the end. But the religion which you practice teaches you something like how to live on earth and how to be treated when dead.
As a physicist would say: matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only converted. So it really doesn't matter if you appear as a bunch of ashes or as a rotten body before God. He will put you back together in the end.
Brit: Priests usually say: From dust you came, to dust you'll return, if it's too expensive to be burried, than i prefer cremation.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
It comes down to faith and belief..If he practiced his religion, then he obviously believed in the hereafter. Thus cremation was wrong
you are most welcome platao36 :)
it doesnt matter to me though when im dead if im being cremated or not, burn my body or let me be eaten by worm it doesnt make a difference or just let it be thrown to the sea, afterall im dead anyway!
A valid point. Having thought about it, the key issue here seems to be that the mother was not Muslim, however, the son, since he was returning from Iftar, must have been a practicing Muslim. Therefore, he should have been buried , rather than cremated..
Foolish: Thks 4 the reference, :)
Some folks just think they are the most beloved if they do everything exactly as it was told, i do hope i'll be cremated when the time comes.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
cremation or not its the dead's parents choice, it doesnt matter anyway if your buried or cremated what is important is the soul, where does it goes after? only God/Allah knows best like what Platao said, it is not the way we were buried that matters but its the way we have lived our life when we are still alive,I understand that we are bound by our faith and faith dictates our norms, but we should understand that ultimately when we die we are being judge the way we live our life, muslims or non muslims alike....you may have been accorded a very respectful burial but have you been very respectfull also when you are alive? does God/Allah based his judgement the way you are cremated or buried?....lol it reminds me of the well off citizens and politicians in our country...when one of their family member is dead, boy! believe me it will be the one of the most respectful, most decent burial you will ever see, as if the dead was a good citizen.
Brit Expat : the marriage is not legal by islam, but the kid reverted to islam later and he was a practicisn muslim.
It's up to the parents, the boy is dead he doesn't care anymore.
Coz it doesn't need the law or tradition or something to make us think how to bury the dead.
Just bury the dead or cremate it.
Poor dead guy. He must be pleading on the other side to stop wasting time on my dead body...
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
is not legal. So what does that make their offspring ?
1. Queens is not what you would call a "well off" district of NY
2. Burials cost a lot of money, Cremations do not
2.1 Land prices are high in NY ...
However (reading between the lines) the lad had conveyed his wishes to his buddies and NOT his family, and it is they who would have to pay - would his buddies stump up for the cost of the plot?
Never mind the cost of living, consider the cost of dying.
When I go, bury me at sea - I'll pay for the concrete wellies!
Did you Google it first?
I agree with PM, it sad the boy didnt get his wish, but in a non islamic country, the responsibility is on the person to clarify waht he wants after his death whether its burial or inheritance. I dont think the american muslims have a right to contest the parents desciscion.
ROFL......!!!
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Winn: You are right, in Portugal, christians can cremate the body.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Realsomeone- 'Fry the dead people'. Gods sake they're dead. So it doesnt matter if they fried,baked,stewed whatever.
Hold on guys, the title (to me)reeks of 'sensationalism'. Just because he was cremated and not buried does not mean it was done in Hindu tradition...I mean there is more than 'burning' to a Hindu cremation. There are quite a lot of places in the world where cremation is followed for various reasons...
so the question is this being called a 'Hindu Cremation' coz they followed the rituals that are associated with a Hindu funeral or is it being branded 'Hindu' jus because he was not buried but cremated?? ( If its the latter then, I would say, this title was purely intended as a sensationalist attempt by the journalist).The fact that the deceased's mom was a Hindu doesnt change anything either. Btw, 'Farhad' doesnt sound like a Hindu name...
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Lead me not into temptation....I can find it myself!!
i understand how you fealt, RS.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
that is good but still i feel sad for the poor guy they exposed him to the horror i saw in India. i lived 100 meters from the place they fry the dead people.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
I meant the Islamic laws not US laws and of course you understand that law better then me.
and i was speaking in general a Muslim should die and be buried in Islamic way. you are right it was better if he wrote a legal wish.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Logicsays: lol, like i say in my signature, only God/Allah can judge, who are we mere mortals to questioning God/Allah wishes? He sees all, so he'll decide if punishes or not but don't think that's important for God, the soul is what matters to God.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Hindu Cremation angers US christians or US Jews? I do wonder....!
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
if that was his wish before he died, why didn't he write a will to indicate this ...
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
I believe that the parents made a wrong decision; a decision that did not respect and acknowlege their son's faith. HOWEVER, I will defend their legal and moral right to make such a decision even if it were misguided. None of us make perfect decisions in the face of overwhelming tragedy.
Mandi
LOL, chocolate...I was wondering the same...!!
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well said...... I guess they (Reja's close friends) must have heard his wish in their dreams...
LIARS.
Some of Reja's close friends said that he told them about his wish to have a Muslim burial.
what a bunch of liars. the guy was 22 years old. He didnt die of cancer. He died in a car crash. I DO NOT for one moment believe that he had discussed the manner in which he wished to be buried with his friends.
Ahammed - " I hate them.. If it is my parent.. i dont wish to see them again"- your'e saying that after youre dead u wouldnt want to see uur parents if they did smthin like this?????????
Who knows there family equation???
What kind of father he would be a so called muslim who allowed his son to be burnt in fire against his own wish?????
They have lost their son, that 2 so young,
PLEASE SPARE THEM FROM ANOTHER PAINS & let them do crimination the way, they want to do.
Bad parents.........poor muslim fellow, May Allah rest his soul in peace.
I disagree with the parents...
If it is his son or not he lived with the shade of Qur-an. He loved Qur-an and He prayed to Allah...
His wishes was to be die as a muslim...
These parent are not good with their son now..
They use his deadbody for an argumental thing.
I hate them.. If it is my parent.. i dont wish to see them again....
They are plying with their son..
chocolate if you read the article here is quote from
"Some of Reja's close friends said that he told them about his wish to have a Muslim burial."
you are right. we should help the living instead of arguing the dead. well said.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
So now we stop trying to help the living people. Instead we fight for the rights of the dead.
May his soul rest in peace.
Realsomeone, u cannot be sure that the person wished to be buried, he didnt make any will or anything. I guess in life we can can choose our religion and maybe wish to be buried or cremated. but once we die it's just the body remaining. I dont know what happens to the soul or whatever. this body eventually becomes dust , whether buried of burnt.
Dust thou art and to dust though shall return.
PM i think its you who do not understand the laws. the parents do not choose the person;s faith. as Muslim the guy wished to live in a Muslim way and die at the same.
there is no respect for the parents in this matter since they do not respect the son's wish which is righteous and therefore you do not blindly obey your parents when they are commanding you to do evil.
i understand this is legal in the states but in Islam it isnt and the Muslim person should be washed and buried respectfully.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Either way it turns into dust...
and eaten by the grass...
which will be eaten by the Goat/Sheep/Buffalo....
which in turn will be eaten by us....
....Circle of Life!!!
Please drop it ok!
PM...you are correct....
The faith is of the individual and not the family's.
Maybe we should enbalm the bodies like egyptian mummies. That way no fire, no worms.
So it means the soul will be on the dead body until it reaches to the fire????? And fire is used to release the sould from the body????
Prior to cremation, the body is washed and anointed, the hair (and beard) is trimmed, and the corpse is given new or clean clothes. During the procession, relatives and mourners, who carry the body to the cremation ground, chant verses that invoke Yama's help. The body is then placed on a funeral pyre. The eldest son finally walks around the pyre three times, each time pouring sacred water on the deceased. He then sets fire to the wood with a torch that has been blessed. Throughout the sacred ritual, relatives and mourners chant Vedic mantras to quicken the soul's release.
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
Loulsy: Miss you too...!! :(
Lead me not into temptation....I can find it myself!!
Ahhh...u mean the fire cackling!! Hmmm...i guess that happens when the body is not covered on top by enough fuel load...The airspaces within the body start letting out gases or something like that!! No chance of such a thing happening in a modern crematorium!!
i guess it would be too much to expect the planet to carry the load of all the coffins for years on end!!
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Realsome: Based on a widely accepted belief that dead bodies are unable to do anything on the lines of screaming, i am inclined to surmise that what you witnessed was a murder, not a cremation!!(aside) Where are you, Watson, you old fool??
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lol Winn no it wasnt a murder and yes it wasnt screaming as widely accepted scream from the mouth but the scream was coming from the other body parts.
remember when you put something on fire it makes some noise that is what i call screaming when a human body is put on fire.
I was in PUNE.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
and start delivering sermans in a strange voice :)
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
Winn - Not to Forget the Body Rise to sitting position half way through Burning process. quite scarry :)
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
its just that I miss you so much *wink wink*
WYSIWYG
i know nothing more then the process of burying and that feels respectful the other things i saw in India was a horror movie for me.
i could hear the scream of the dead body. ja'a ja'a ja'a something something like that.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Charan: I am quite sure you can do that!! The question is " can the poor ghosts take it??"
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Loulsy: *sniff* O dear!....How can you say this!! I have never felt you were far from me!! Never!!
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Lead me not into temptation....I can find it myself!!
Especially your DRUNKEN presence ;)
I am sober enough to dig the Grave and Talked to the Ghosts at that time :)
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
haha realsomeone, do you know the process of cremation by any chance?
all it takes is for a few days to pass without seeing u for me to begin thinking of dying!!! its easier to bear than being far away from You!!!! :'-(
WYSIWYG
Awww..Loulsy...dont talk about dyin n all gal...
*sniff *
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agree with Loulsy,...some places, there's only like contracts on how long a burial ground can be used.. after it expires, they dig it up to make way for new "occupants"... i prefer cremation too...
Charan: DOnt you dare torture the poor ghosts with your presence!! Especially your DRUNKEN presence ;)
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You do know dont you that in small countries where there isnt much space for burial grounds.. u pay for a lot of land to bury ur dead in and then a few months later the ppl in charge of the cemetary remove the bodies and cremate them?! just to tell you... so whether Islamic/christian/ or any other religion.. in these small countries this is gonna happen sooner or later..
At the end they are dead, ur soul is gone on its way.. whats left behind is just the "vessel" that was being used.. so what difference does it make?!
I'm a christian.. and I would like to be cremated when i die..
WYSIWYG
Winn - digging n filling, no?
The process starts at around 10.00pm after couple of drinks and will be completed by around 10.00 an by manually.
Stay the whole night at the Cemetery with the companionship of all the Gousts while digging the Grave:)
Ban 1Spoon Feeding not Me
I dont understand what the big deal is. Let the parents do as they please. As it is they lost thier son, imagine having to deal with nutcases like these.
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
I guess thats 'setup' and 'cooldown' time of the machine that you are talking about. I was talking about the actual burning time with high voltage. Anywys, I guess it takes still lesser time than digging n filling, no?
About throwing the ashes in river/sea, well it depends on ur belief...the crematorium can also dispose of it!
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"I might prefer those high voltage electric things, gone in a second...LOL!!"
45 minutes for burning processs and another 45 to collect the ashes. Then journey to the river or sea to throw the ashes.
Done that before :)
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
Allah knows best.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
WOW America is booming and now they have found out through MR. REALSOMEONE(PHD.ON DEADONES FEELINGS) that its painful for a dead one if he is put in fire..!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yaar it seems Mr, Realsomeone has tried it out quite a few times and at last come to an conclusion.
Its soo funny, This "Realsomeone" has got no work has time to think abt wht is wrong for the Deadones....!!!!
Its the Decision of the FAMILY and nothing is more Important than the family.
If they are in a country run by Islamic law, then they have to abide by it. If they are in a country where religion is not used but instead the constitution, they have no right to imply what their religion calls for it. If their time comes, then do it in themselves. Let the family decide what they want to do with their son. They will forget the lad in a month time, so there's no difference. only the family will mourn for the dead.
It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
I guess the modern crematorium(electric ones) are much better...flick of a switch n poof!! all that remains is a small pile of ashes!! Saves space!!
Btw, realsome they dont 'throw' the body on the fire. They place it on the funeral pyre and then light it!
I understand your anguish in this case, it must be really hard to accept a fellow believer being cremated in a way opposed by your relegion.
But just to tell you another viewpoint, some people feel that burning the body to ashes is better than leaving it for worms to eat through...ever seen a half decomposed body??
As for me, burying burning...whts the differance...I'd be dead anyway and wudnt be in a position to use the body!! On second thoughts I might prefer those high voltage electric things, gone in a second...LOL!!
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Allah knows best. here is more information how islam views cremation http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545494
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The US Muslims are against it because, In Islam The Dead Body is supposed to be given a respectful burial in accordance with Islamic Law. If the guy is a true Muslim, He need a Respectful burial. I even think that the Christian Brothers do think the same if he was a Christian.
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Well it depends on this whether he is muslim or not. If he is, he should be buried otherwise all depends upon his parents. If they did wrong, they will see the result after their death. Why are we creating issues?
realsomeone, how do you know they feel the fire, have you been told by them? I wouldn't worry too much about hell cos I'm off to heaven!Wahey!
It came as a shock to me too! and, if they were dead and felt the fire, who did they tell and how? mmmmm
anyway, i think i would prefer cremation (when my time comes) rather than having all these yucky worms eating my dead body....
Its surprise that dead people have the feeling of fire!!!!
like he would even feel how painful it is,.. as nurse put it, "he's dead"... it's been done already anyway, no use being angry about it...
Its no one's buisness except the families.
Can these people ever but out and just let others just get on with their lives
just eat another pie
Technically these people are dead so they would never know!
what about his wish? what if you wished to be buried in respectful way and your parents throw you into burning fire. imagine how painful is this. is this mean you dont have respect when you are dead?
in India i lived near hindu cremation center where they burned the dead. MAN! you cant imagine the horror in that place.
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Let the parents do it their way, its not as if the lad would know...he's dead!
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