Would you believe that an engineer from my company chose to get another wife because his first wife was circumcised & he did not get satisfaction from her even after getting five kids.
Surah Zalazala is very clear. We are searching for the statement where she says One bedouin went to Masjid al nabawi ..........
Mehek quoted hadith without any reference, its her responsibility to give us reference. Is it from Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn majah, Tirmidi or Abu Dawood ?
As I said earlier we cannot google Islam like from wikipedia or any corrupt sites. Alhumdullilah we are in Qatar we dont have to rely on dada/nani's stories
Well, that was his conclusion in his post. His reference to the verses is this:
"quoted just 2 verses from surah al zalzala which means "whoever has done a good to the weight of atom will see it" & "whoever has done evil for the weight of atom will see it"..."
I think you can check now.
There's nothing wrong with these verses. In fact the verses remind beleievers of reward for even smallest of good deeds they do and warn against their smallest of evil deeds being noted by God. And God has given man the ability to acquire knowledge and seperate good from evil.
He who is guilty of evil, disbelief and disobedience, will see its reward that day. None will be in
the slightest way wronged. The only exception is if a doer of wrong is saved by intercession, if he
qualified for it. Or if a doer of a good is disqualified from receiving the reward of that good by
the weight of his evil deeds, i.e. his evil deeds annul his good ones.
In those two verses, i could not find what Mehek says..
"Do whatever you do just for Allah and that he may be pleased with us!"
These are the things where people takes advantage of..
When Allah subuhana says 'Good Deeds', they make it as 'What ever'.. This is what terrorist says.. We kill people for the sake of Allah ! People take things differently..
Well said Happy Happy. Its ultimately the faith and fear of God in making our decisions and choosing our actions that matters. One doesn't need to worry about what others think about him as long as he believes he is on the right path.
A few days back while I was waiting outside Childrens' Emergency hospital at Al Sadd for my wife, a family Got down from a car. The woman was wearing a mini skirt but covering her head and the man was wearing a cap and counting the Tazbeeh(busy in God's rememberence), looked like a pious family...
The difference I have observed between converts and born Muslims, is that the latter were fed Islam and did not have the opportunity to think it through and meditate or struggle in search for the ultimate freedom found in the quest for the truth.
Yet, converts, I’ve met with or read about, have earned it the hard way. They're guided by their eagerness to fulfill their dire hunger and thirst to reach out for Divinity.In this process, you've defined yourself too.
By that I don’t mean all converts are better than born Muslims, but they’ve been blessed with embarking on a not-easy journey in pursuit for pleasure and content gained ultimately by being a believer who acknowledges Allah as the One, who has always been, and will always be.
Leia/Brit: I agree with Brit just that still think that's up to each person to choose what to dress and that no one has nothing to do with it, even in conservative places, just like brit said, you can use if you want just that when people aren't used to it....
Leia: About Brazil, i know how they are, now imagine how it is during carnaval at Rio :)
Girls in topless dancing in the top of alegoric viatures.
Here, during summer, it's really common to see people shopping with same clothes they use at beach. Did you noticed anyone staring at those in Brazil? ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
"Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by Allah.'' And whoever takes Shaytan as a Wali instead of Allah, has surely suffered a manifest loss.
I think people should analyze many things at Qatar..specially companies that bring people from all around the world..
for instance..during summer time I spend holydays at Brazil with my family, people there go shopping with bikinis and men with "sleeps" or "zungas" (I don't know how to say in english but is a very tight bathingsuit for men)and Im talking about moms, dads, children, no matter if you're fat, or skinny. or black, or pink or yellow or green!! haha. I know that for Qatar to see something like that is TOO MUCH, but my point is: if a western lady or girl dress with a "sleeveless shirt" or "capri pants" is because for us that's not "showing everything", is not like want to call everyones attention, and is not because we are bad persons or "unpure women"..I don't know if someone gets what im trying to say
AMOUD/Alexa: I'm with both of you on this, i wonder why some people in the East think they are better that the ones from the west, of course good and bad is everywhere but it's annoying to see such discussions.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
The only time I would ever comment to someone about their clothes in public (and thank God it hasnt happened yet) is that if they were waaay OTT and could actually see people starting to make a fuss as you can never gauge people here.
I also find here that non-arab women are the ones who are blamed for this as I never ever saw anyone say a single word to an arab woman dressed innapropriatly because I think she would tell him to F off. ____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
I am with you on that Alexa, and quite frankly Islamically people are accountable for their own actions and are the only ones who will be judged. Sometimes I do feel that people are a little insensitive to Qatar, its religion and culture but on the other hand it is true that what people do is their own business.
I wont even chalk it up to religion, hypocrites of any religion and people who just make themselves feel better by beeing so righteous are IMO far worse.
VB: "Whatever topic starts with any instruction/s from the religion of Islam, it always ends with bashing from western cultured muslims with a new theory of 'modern Islam', which has no relevance in Islam."
Should us, western cultured muslims, take it as an ofense?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Alexa the means for surgery here are reconstructive and corrective (breast reductions, tummy tucks for big ole apron bellies etc). The discount is also in Hamad Hospital and not the private clinics which cater to nose jobs, boob jobs and such. Hamad hospital doesnt perform many procedures in comparison to private clinics as they are deemed non medical procedures. Nose jobs can be done in Hamad but again it is to correct deviated septums etc.
It really comes down to the person doesnt it. If they accept to get surgery that is on their own account. If the same logic applied to everything un-islamic in Qatar it would be a Taliban paradise but Qatar does cater to its non-muslims residents and visitors a bit and plastic surgery is no exception I guess. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
if the locals got a discount for plastic surgery! Yes, let's give a discount to the people who can already wipe their bottoms with a 500 QR note they're so filthy rich and don't know what to do with all their money!
LOL!
Already I find it amusing when people get tons of procedures done...like do they think no one will notice when their kids all have huge honking noses or something?
Hypocrisy is rampant here, in every arena, though, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised if they do get a discount for nose jobs and such.
at least appreciate, why I asked to stop such discussion and summaries thread at page 2.
Whatever topic starts with any instruction/s from the religion of Islam, it always ends with bashing from western cultured muslims with a new theory of 'modern Islam', which has no relevance in Islam.
It is impossible to amend any law of Sharia or make any amendments in Sunnah; while the mix of certain cultures and traditions followed by so called muslims make the whole community feels ashamed (such as female leading the prayer, fashionable and skin-tight Abayaas, Burkhas without head covers,etc, etc)
Listen to Zakir Naik's comments on Mother Teresa and Mahatma Gandhi's fate in the light of Quraan. Also check what is Fundamentalist and why followers of Islam called
fundamentalist.
There is no end to such debates, it is just thought provoking.
I could only say enhance/increase your knowledge about Islam and seek more understanding of our religion and try to follow as much as possible; no one is perfect, hence ask for Allah's mercy and imaan all the time.
Last but not least Hijab, Country or caste or traditions are not the criterias to be judged as muslim or not a muslim.
ONLY ones Imaan (faith as required by Quraan) and good deeds as desired and required by sunnah will decide ones religion and its peak of ones Imaan.
May Allah lead us to the right path and provide us hidayah to follow in its real sense....AMEEN!
UK I do agree to some extent but women are notorious for having distorted images of themselves.
Looking better by doing your best to stay fit and healthy, perhaps buying some new clothes and makeup are one thing but going under the knife to improve your self esteem just doesnt work IMO. Self Esteem is all how you perceive yourself and feeling comfortable in the skin you are in. Generally people who go under the knife to imrove self esteem have many other issues that if dealt with in a non-surgical way make more of an impact. Plastic surgery for the purpose of self esteem is dangerous.
UKEng, to be honest changing the way someone looks doesnt really change the self esteem, it masks the issue. If the need for surgery is to fix some very obvious problem (and note, this is some sort of deformity) then it is permissable.
Changing the outside very rarely changes whats on this inside UK.
Well, i done ma research.. i dint come acros those statements.. And i read that whole surah.. (Surah Al Zalzalah) i din get those 2 verses also !!
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*-Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.
"the companion started and quoted just 2 verses from surah al zalzala which means "whoever has done a good to the weight of atom will see it" & "whoever has done evil for the weight of atom will see it".
Can u temme that 2 verses ??? Surah Al zalzalah is about Earthquake !!
Dottie, as I said, reconstructive or corrective surgery is fine, surgery for cosmetic reasons solely is a completely different thing. I dont think anyones physical health is at risk if they cant have a boob job or face lift. The line is very definative.
This can be determined as a healthy approach towards appearance. If girls are taught from a young age that Allah made them perfect just the way they are, and this is imbedded in their minds all their lives perhaps they can adapt a more positive attitude regarding their appearance, and perhaps put more value on other valuable traits?
Once a new muslim bedoiun came to the companion of Prophet Muhammaed sws in Masjid un Nabwi(prophets mosque)..He asked please teach me something about islam..the companion started and quoted just 2 verses from surah al zalzala which means "whoever has done a good to the weight of atom will see it" & "whoever has done evil for the weight of atom will see it".Enough! said the bedouin I have Understood the WHOLE ISLAM AND DEEN! and he left.Prophet Muhammad sws came and enquired what he asked and left so fast the companion said what happened..Then Prophets sws said verily!This person was brilliant!..........the last sentence was just a comment from mehek that do whatever u do(righteous and good deeds) just for allah and NOT WHATEVER YOU want:) as U understood.
So................if 'God made us all exactly as we should be', following that logic, does that mean that heart, kidney, etc, transplants are wrong? Is kidney dialysis wrong? Where to draw the line? Surely we have to accept that things have changed in the intervening years since the Quran was written, and have to move forward and embrace new ideas?
it is letting someone else see your privates parts that is haram, not the waxing itself. If you can reach down to your OWN nether regions and rip the hair out by yourself, no worries!
Once a new muslim bedoiun came to the companion of Prophet Muhammaed sws in Masjid un Nabwi(prophets mosque)..He asked please teach me something about islam..the companion started and quoted just 2 verses from surah al zalzala which means "whoever has done a good to the weight of atom will see it" & "whoever has done evil for the weight of atom will see it".Enough! said the bedouin I have Understood the WHOLE ISLAM AND DEEN! and he left.Prophet Muhammad sws came and enquired what he asked and left so fast the companion said what happened..Then Prophets sws said verily!This person was very brilliant!Do whatever you do just for Allah and that he may be pleased with us!
Im still left wondering as some muslims are saying:
1) unless your covered correctly then you are in the wrong,
2)others are saying you can wear haloween paint, F**K me shoes, gold chains etc as long as you wearing hijab you are still respecting islam (when compared to a westerner in say a strappy top)
3)Others are saying its the person inside (this conversation has been held just as many times for christian people who like to be "seen" at church make big donations etc but are horrible people inside.
You hit the nail on the head ummjake... it isnt permitted and the rulings and hadiths on this are not weak.
You can expose your bits is neccesary (like when you go to the Dr. and then some women even insist that they use a mirror to look down under) but a Brazilian wax doesnt fall into that category, unless perhaps you are too pudgy to actually reach it yourself.
Plastic surgery is not permitted either, unless it is reconstructive or corrective. There is a little debate on if it is OK to have surgery to put things back where they once were (tummy tuck, breast lifts) but a majority have agreed that this is a natural process intended by Allah as we age.
...if plastic surgery and plucking your eyebrows (not to mention getting one's va-jay-jay waxed by some beautician in a salon) are 'haram', then the VAST majority of Khaleeji women are sinning! LOL!
Seriously, though -- I have heard the eyebrow thing before here from a local friend. But is there an Islamic ruling on plastic surgery?
Plastic surgery to alter ones looks, as well as some cosmetic dentistry are forbidden in Islam as it alters the creation (God made us all exactly as we should be).
Plucking the eyebrows to change the shape is also prohibited.
There is instances where a womans face is awrah, but she has to be exceptionally beautiful. To deem a womans face as awrah she needs to seek the advice.
Again, I dont deem the face as awrah for if it were it would have to be covered during prayer, which is not permissable.
I commend those who choose to cover their faces for Allah and may they be rewarded but in no way do I feel it mandatory and it is classified as Sunna.
Awrah is the part of a woman that should be covered Gypsy. In public, a muslim womans awrah is everything but her hands and face. Amoung her Muharram (men of close relation), family and other woman it is from the knee to navel although baring everything above for no apparent reason is not permissable either as with most societies ladies dont sit around in jeans with no tops on.
To all the people who are saying a good muslim woman shouldn't show even ONE hair on her head.............can I ask what you think about Sheikha Mozza, who frequently shows the front of her hair. Or Queen Rania of Jordan, who often has her bead uncovered and wears western clothes
U itself told that Sheikha Mossa is a good muslim ! What u kno about her ? How can u judge her ?? Who are U to judge her ??
Surely the whole point is this - it's what's in your heart and soul that matters. whether you cover or not is not the essence of what makes you a good human being (let's take religion out of this).
Covering hair may makes u a bad human being.. but not for Muslims !!
And y should we take out the religion here ?? I guess sister, u didnt read the topic.. HIJAB - A burden to Muslim womens ? It clearly meantions MUSLIM
So it clearly means that u cant convince any one of them using religion !! SO u turn to ur logic ! And wat ur logic says is utter nonsense !
yea, Being a western women u wear modern dress, that may be modest for u.. Indian womens wear saree's showing theiry belly, that may not be modest for u..
If u sponsor a nepali or a bengali or wateve, and u commit sin, ofcourse u ll be put in hell !!
U heard the story of Abu Thalib ? He was the person who helped the prophet SAW in all ways.. He was a very good man.. But at the time of death also, he did not accept Islam.. At the time Allah Subuhana says to prohpet.. "U can only show them the right path, Its them who have to chose it.. "
After everything.. u ll be judge by only 1 person !
Insha Allah.. on the day of judgement, u ll regret for wat u said now !
Yes, as u said if u are not a good scholar, STUDY wat is Islam !!
I know there are two words almutaqqin and munafeeq
Mutaqqin: They are the believers who avoid Shirk with Allah and who work in His obedience.'' Ibn `Abbas also said that Al-Muttaqin means, "Those who fear Allah's punishment, which would result if they abandoned the true guidance that they recognize and know. They also hope in Allah's mercy by believing in what He revealed.''
Munafeeq -hypocrite
Thirteen verses (in the beginning of Surah al-Baqarah) describe the hypocrites due to their abundance, the many trials they cause & the intense fitnah they cause to Islam & its adherents." (the biggest enemy is within)
ramshinaushad - I'm just interested to hear how some people will justify this. They are very quick to condemn women for showing hair, will they be as quick to put their neck on the chopping block and condemn sheika Mozza and other highly prominent, powerful and influential women?? Maybe not.
Surely the whole point is this - it's what's in your heart and soul that matters. whether you cover or not is not the essence of what makes you a good human being (let's take religion out of this). Christian, Jew, Muslim, whatever - it's how you behave and treat your fellow man that makes you a good person, not how you dress.
I'm a western woman who wears western clothes, which (judging by the tone of this thread) some people here would find offensive and take objection to. However, I dontate money to several different charities every month, I sponsor a family in Nepal, Honduras and Ecuador BECAUSE I WANT TO. Not because I have to, but because it makes me feel good to know that I'm helping other people have a better life. The clothes I wear have got nothing to do with how I behave. We are all 'victims of upbringing'. As the Jesuit priests say 'Give me a boy till he's seven years old, and I'll show you the man'. It's all a question of upbringing. Had I been born here in Doha, to a Qatari family, then of course I would feel differently. Had I been born in India to a Hindu family, then differently again. And so on and so on.
Treat others with respect and don't be so quick to judge and condemn on looks alone.
Eco, I'm not an islamic scholar (obviously!) but I question your assumption that if we show our hair we are perverted and should go to our caves. I guess Sheikha Mozza will be hiding in her cave right now, scared by your righteous indignation.........NOT!!!!!
Thus far in the discussion, I think none has been able to influence the way other thinks as I see everyone just defends his/her stand. Hence it should be understood that peopple, atleast the learned lot, are confident enough of what they practice and prepared to face the Almighty on the day of judgement. In my opinion there are no fundamental,extremeist or modern muslims. There are only two types of muslims; those who understand this life better and those who understand the life hereafter better. The latter being stubborn to restrict God's wisdom to Quran and sunnah cann't look at the things beyond just what's in the book while the former lot believes that God's wisdom is infinite which makes it impossible for humans to predict His specific actions(judgement).
The discussion, nevertheless, has contributed to those who want to know the real meaning of Hijab, i believe.
So r u saying that we have to follow wat sheikha mosa and queen rania does ? or all the things wat they do is correct ? They are also just human's like us.. Follow the path of Quran and sunnah !!
What can I say.. I have prayed regularly five times a day since I was a very young teenager..Before that I used to pray only on jummas. But once i got hidayat from Allah, I started to pray regularly.. I have never missed out a single fast of ramadan since I was 10 years old. I give zakat and have done 3 umrahs in my life and plan to do hajj too inshAllah soon. I respect my parents and my elders.. I treat others very well and fear Allah in everything.. I don't hurt anyone's sentiments. But I don't do hijaab.. I cover my entire body but not my hair.. Does that make me a bad Muslim or a non-Muslim? Because my boss thinks that it does and he kept on telling me to wear hijaab or else I will go to hell...So now I have started to wear hijaab but only at work...I want people to shut up and stop harassing me that is why I did it.. I want peace of mind..
To all the people who are saying a good muslim woman shouldn't show even ONE hair on her head.............can I ask what you think about Sheikha Mozza, who frequently shows the front of her hair. Or Queen Rania of Jordan, who often has her bead uncovered and wears western clothes?? I'm very interested to hear your responses...........
While I choose to wear hijab I definately dont think it defines a womans islam.
A woman who prays 5 times a day, believes that there is one God and Mohammed (PBUH) is his messenger, pays her due Zakat, performs hajj and fasts in Ramadan but who does not wear hijab is munafeeq compared to a woman who covers, prays intermitandly, doesnt make up their fasting days etc is a better muslimah? Hog wash.
As I said, when I see such women who are not covered I know they have strong deen and wish that someday perhaps they can embrace their hijab but I would not have them abandon any of the 5 pillars to do so.
Eco, I am very happy that you can judge the posters of this site as being kufir. Can you also perhaps atone for my sins and the sins of others on the day of judgement? You are aware that speaking ill of people, especially decent muslims will make you atone for your own sin and the sin of those in which you scorn?
It makes me quite happy then that you can make such assumptions. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Allah guides whoever he wills, Two of my bro in laws are revert they got guidance from reading/understanding Quran, they didnt come to Islam because of Muslims.
I am always ready to drive all munafeeqs back to their fold.
Eco, I am a covered muslimah but on the other hand I cannot judge someones deen based on hijab and quite frankly it is indeed none of my business to do so. I know a lot of excellent Muslimahs who do not cover their hair. In my heart I pray that they will see the beauty of the hijab and once day embrace it as they have embraced their salat, their alms and their overall deen.
Now I will be frank, I would rather see a modestly dressed muslimah, praying 5 times a day than have her adorn the hijab for the wrong reasons and feel her Islam is restricting her etc and for her to loose her way.
Amoud, I am sorry I think you took my previous post personally, but it wasn't directed at you, I was just using the word "modern" from your text :) I have never claimed to be better than others, yes but I have judged ppl form what tehy had to say about islam. I myself just recently put on a Hijab, but I never felt right when I wasnt wearing one. I knew wearing Hijab was the right thing too do but I didnt have the guts to do it. While at hajj I asked for Allah's forgivness and guidance and making my faith stronger so I could do the right things, and let me just say I am still by far not the perfect muslim, but I am trying.
btw i can't beleive the hypocracy here, if you want to say or judge a ppl, its considered expressing an opinion and as soon as the other express their opinion, its called driving ppl away from islam, very funny!!!
its ok, they have to do it for the sake of Allah not to please others. I was wearing shawl just to please my father, when I got married I discarded it. When I did my first umrah, while doing tawaf I said: Oh Allah pls let me perm my hair after that I will sincerely cover my hair, isnt that silly dua. Alhumdullilah I am guided forever
Those who are denying Quran's verses, rejecting hadith are into Kufr. This entire thread is full of kufr
Well, if TALIBAN had an official site, this link should have been sent to them indeed.
Islam doesn't impose forcefully but it guides Muslims or human beings that if they follow QURAN they will be prosperous in both lives and if not they will suffer both in this WORLD & othre world after judgement day.
As far HIJAB is concerned, ISLAM asks women for modesty so as every country has its own culture and clothing styles so Muslim women must hide their body accordingly.
Sorry to say that HIJAB in Arab World has become Sex Symbol or Fashion Symbol.There real usage has been forgotten by the Arabs. I do see such young ladies wearing HIJAB and they look very attractive from Head to Toe. This is not HIJAB or PARDHA as men are now more attracted to such ATTRACTIVE and body fitted HIJABS.
Omershah: I'm not a woman but i am a new convert, and i can assure you that when the Judgement day comes you'll be judged as severly as you are judging others now.
PM/Angr/Amoud: I fully agree with your last statements, some folks that call themselves "true muslims" are the ones who give a bad image on Islam.
Amoud: That lady you refer, maybe she was censoring you to look good under other folks eyes but inside she knew how you fealt and with her situation she didn't wanted the other folks at school would suspect that she wasn't being "too islamic" when she was dating the guy, at same time it is a lesson to show that love doesn't know any barriers. Wishing that they will be happy :) May Allah bless their love :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
its a severe matter and i dn at all understand that many of todayz women and girlz who are muslim says that islam give them freedom......
and it is so that you are free... you are free to do anything exept to show your body parts...... going in malls with tight jeans and now there wear fitted abayas... and then they say that we have weared closed covered our bodies... but they knw that its is also restricted to wear clothes which show the measurements of bodies not even for women but also for men... still they say why only women are ristricted in islam and blame men and ulamas who stop thm...
but they dont think at it that who is stoping them from freedom? no one!!! just they are stopped by showing of thier bodies and it is in QURAN... a women shud not show even a single strip of their hairs to strangers.. and it cant be denied...
so I humbly request these stupid ladies that if u dont understand and follow the orders of ALLAH so u shud leave Islam and dont destroy ISLAM'S respect....
I also agree with you on this PM and Eng.... As a revert I had a few muslim women tell me that I am 'better" than they are because I cover but this just isnt the case. I know an uncovered Muslimah who never misses a prayer, goes on Ummrah almost yearly and truely respects herself and everyone else around her. How can one say that just because she isnt covered she is not a true muslim?
I also know women who cover from hear to toe and by no means are they good muslims. I dont want to take any of their sins by speaking ill of them but one of my old Dawah teachers from one of the Islamic centers got pregnant out of wedlock by a Christian man. This lady actually scolded me for holding my fiances hand in public.
I guess as the saying goes.... you cant always judge a book by its cover.
Engr: I agree with you just wanna point out that the reason why France took the measures they did was to split social, and politic from any specified religion so that no one could be descriminated based on their religion, and as it was stated here it's the women who must decide if they'll use Hijjab or not.
bstmom: So, on other words, there is no free will in Islam, afterall it's what you are saying, if you truelly belive that Allah gave us free will, than you wouldn't be judging others. I reconverted and one of the things that was told me by the Iman was that Allah encourages His followers to question and racionalize about matters that they may disagree and when the time comes belivers will have to prove to him the rightous of each one actions.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
The term modern is used for the up and coming generation, which have seemed to stray from their deen. The fundamentals of Islam are the grounds for the religion and are not up for debate.
Unfortunatly the interpretations of Islam are what deem it as moderate, fundamentalist etc. and there are conflicting views from the Mezhabs regarding various issues (i.e covering the face). Some scholars will tell you that TV is haram, some will tell you that it is not the TV but the programs etc. A person who may deem television completely haram will be classified as a fundamentalist whereas one who will say childrens television, documentaries etc are ok but western movies etc are not is moderate.... I dont think I have to go further bstmom I think you already get the jist.
There are indeed varying degrees of religious zeal, but no one will ever know the intention or what is truely in the heart. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Again, faith based issues are best discussed by scholars and theologians belonging to the particular faith. There is no compulsion in religion and shame on governments which ban Hijab and make a political case out of it such as Tunisia, France etc.
Also it is silly and pointless to try to cite text from Islamic sources to convince non-Muslims that Hijab is good. Hijab is not a "logica" issue that can be proven as a Mathematical equation. Why do some christian churches turn Sunday Services to a Dance Party? Why do Jews (religious ones) eat Kosher? Why do Hindus not eat Beef???? Why this and why that?
This is silly and pointless.
If you are devout and traditional/conservative Muslim then Hijab has been practiced for 1500 years and there is no point denying it.
If you are a "liberal" Muslim who is a modernist and not that conservative then you don't wear it.
Again, freedom of religion as well as freedom of non-religion including atheism should be guaranteed by a true FREE and OPEN society.
Finally, nobody should appoint him/herself as a Spokesman for Heaven! God can speak for Himself and HE will judge each on his own terms and time. Needless to say those who do not believe He exists will disagree with my last point.
Islam is a very flexible religion given that we don't cross the boundries set for us by Allah, Amoud by no mean am I picking on you:) but seriously I hate when the trem moderate, extremist or modern is used with muslim. If we just follow the Islam as it is given to us, wouldn't that just make us muslims??? those terms comes in use when we muslims start using our so called brains more than we need too. As amoud said everything is supported by quran and haidths, and somehwere fatwas are used and thats where i think we mostly find the diffrences, but those diffrences don't bring us to eachother's throats. but some muslims still find that translation of their modern islam is better and insist that they be heared and rest just shut and listen, well that aint about to happen.
When you dress up for office or any occasion you have to dress properly. I want be wearing my jeans to office and cover it with Abaya. 4 days a week we have to be in formals on 5th day we try to wear casual.
I am in Doha since 70s I havent met any asian who is wearing pyjamas underneath. Most of the ladies wear Jalbiyas,Tanuras and Jalabiyas are graceful.
Muslims housewives are dressed like brides everyday, when I visit them after work for coffee or collect my books, I find them all dolled up. Even in masjids they are decorated like cows (with bangles,jingles all the way)
So who are these pyjama clad ladies which I havent come across?
A woman not wearing hijab does not make her a non Muslim. However it is an act of disobedience (as defined by the scholars of Islam in light of the Quran and the sunnah of the prophet) and if Allah wills He will forgive it and if He wills He will hold that person to account.
The point that bstmom is trying to make is that you cannot questions some things in Islam as there is hadiths to support the rulings and all things in Islam are explained as to why they should be done. What isnt clear, fatwas are issued. Some things, as with all religion are not up for debate nor do they have many interpretations.
PM is pointing out that modern muslims may perhaps be rejecting their religion because of fundamental views and the aspect that some things are not flexible. PM is correct that we will all be judged by Allah and we must also remember that our intentions in Islam are the most important (if you are not committing Haram), this is what makes Islam such a forgiving religion. I wish this was emphasized more.
personally, I believe that it is the questioning that makes one's faith stronger. If you never question something, then you blindly accept it without thinking about it. That just makes you a brainless sheep following the herd, like a lemming jumping off a cliff.
I think that God -- the God I believe in, at least -- would much prefer to have people follow him because they have done the hard mental work and asked the difficult questions, and decided that His way is the one that makes the most sense to them, rather than having a bunch of people following him because they were told to!
I am truly sorry your friend went through that experience and there is no way on earth that I would ever cover unless I was in a country that demanded it from Westerners.
I am sure your friends self esteem did go out of the window. I felt the same when I had my kids and I did not have the energy to 'do myself up'. It was enough that i got out of the door.
But I had to cover when I lived in Saudi, I was there for only 5 years and for all the reasons I posted above, it did not bother me once, It was great.
I was confident enough to know that should I need to put on my glag rags and make up, I could do so. Perhaps in some ways your friend had different issues.
that covering up in hijab would undoubtedly feel liberating, I'll share with you the experience of one girlfriend who converted (and covered) and married a local here.
Initially, she, too, felt the way you described: how great, I can roll out of bed in my pajamas and just throw my abaya on over top and it'll be great. Won't worry about hair or anything. But after a few years of this, both she and I noticed that her self-esteen had slowly started to wither...it was as if this black abaya had swallowed her up and sucked away all of her personal sense of style. She still loved looking at fashions, etc. but she'd always think "what's the use?".
She still covers, and though her self-esteem has improved, she struggles with wearing abaya and not being able to express herself as fully as she once did with her personal sense of style/fashion.
uk import: while a post is being constructive, than why should it be stopped? btw, i remember a post with 9 pages :)
Justmoi: Of course, as i stated on another post, most European muslims don't make it an issue, and even in Morocco, i only saw old ladies fully covered and not that many, youngsters only cover their hair and Morocco is an Islamic country
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I agree. Where I come from in England there are lots of Saudi ladies who do not wear the Hijab but do 'cover'. It is not a problem at all. They are wearing it I hope, because they want to.
Most Penguins (Nuns) have the option not to wear the scary stuff they used to wear.
Can understand most of what has been put. However, what I do not get is this. A Hijab covers all does it not? So why would any woman be then worried about what she wears undernesth it? Nobody is going to see it.
If I had to wear one, I would be such a slob, it would be great, I would not have to do my hair, make up, I could even wear my PJ's under it. I think the idea of it is great.
However, back to the point does it hinder women? It only hinders women if they are FORCED to do so if there is NO reason for them wearing it.
bstmomeva01: I don't bash Islam, just that i'm being racional, and in The cow chapter There's a reference to being racional.
"(2:111) "Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful."
If you believe it, prove it." - Qur'an
Please do note that this asks us to be racional and not to say that if it isn't in Al Qu'ran than it doesn't exist.
I'm not in position to say that PM is a good or bad muslim, but someone that instead of racionalize, like PM does, prefers to take the paper of judge in His name, than, that person is really commiting one of the worst sins there can be, trying to show him/herself to be as rightous as Allah.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
PM not every muslim is a "beliver" and frankly speaking from reading all that ou have to say about Islam here, I don't consider you "Practising" as you bash Islam when ever you get a chance and if you don't get a chance you create one, but Allah knows best. This is all I have to say to you and I don't wish to waste anymore time with you.
Platao, you are a confused case, you bash Islam and mock it so openly,yet you want to convert to marry a girl, so by converting to Islam to marry a chich does not make you a beleiver, but Allah knows best. I really hope that you seek the truth and accept Islam for what it is.
btw I am not being insensetive to anyone its just called tit for tat.
bstmomeva: You can call me Ayman, i'll be changing my nick when i find out how ( i mean my QL nick ) :)
As a new convert, i shall inform you that what confuses non-muslims in the West and even most muslims that live in this side of the world is how different it is the tolerance that middle east muslims (don't) have towards the so called non belivers.
PM: Thanks a lot for the support and the clarification regarding the religion to be used to control it's belivers life, yes, Judaism, Christianism and even Buddism also set how should be social life.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Platao, there is no problem with islam, problem is with with its many interpretations. Islam is not just a religion, it also is a gudiance for us to live our life in a certain manner, and sure enough that includes our social life. Many non-belivers like yourself seems to have a problem with that, but beleive us, (following muslims) we are completly happy with that.
TrueFriend - do you have any opinions of your own, or do you simply sit with the Quran in your hands all day and look for appropriate quotes to post on QL????
I think Platao36 refers to judgement of what is within the heart, not a specific action. Off course if someone steals or commits a wrongful act and there are witnesses to prove that, then the judgement has already been made by the guilty party's action.
u said we, human beings are no one to judge others..
So, what about a JUDGE in a court ?? He judge a person with proof.. so is that prohibited in islam ?? so all the judge's are kuffar ??
'I heard a story of prophet SAW (PBUH) that a guy has stolen muhammed's (PBUH) sord(I'm not sure it is sord)
from a battle feild .. The case was reported to the court . And Muhammed SAW presented his maid as witnes. But the judge(He was muslim) replied Muhammed could not convince the judge so the sord belongs to the other guy.. At the same moment the theif reverted to Islam saying how truthful is Islam even though Muhammed is ur prophet, u judge with proof..'
So how he judged that person in front of prophet ??
Allah subuhana gave us brain to think (NOt to all). SO we can understand which is right and wrong..
Amoud: No prob, i understand, just feal annoyed whenever someone judges others like if that person would be 100% right.
Eco: Sorry, didn't meant to sound that rude, please, try not to judge others, if you agree you say why you agree, if you don't you say why not, but don't see yourself as an example, Allah is in your heart, he loves you and all humans, let it be Him to punish/reward guiltys and innocents. Allah akhbar (hope to have written correctly :) )
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Platao, I think the point Eco is trying to get across is that in Islam some things are not up for debate or opinion as there are some fundamental rules.... take it easy on Eco, and Eco, calm down a bit your point will be heard much better with words of encouragement and as a good muslim, is it not true that even if someone does wrong to you there is no need to feel angry as there is indeed supreme justice so take it easy. No need for any of us to use harsh words, myself included... apologies if I hit a nerve with anyone. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Bottom line is that Hijab is what is within the heart and not always what is shown on the outside. The westerners who judge "hijabis" for covering and suggesting that they are oppressed are just as bad as the "hijabis" scorning westerners for wearing shorts and tight tops.
At the end of the day, any woman wants to look and feel beautiful no matter what religion, culture or origin. Each and everyone of these women will express their beauty in a way they see fit. If a westerner wears shorts thinking that her legs will attract male attention then that is islamically unnacceptable, but muslim society must remember that these westerners are not muslims and so they dont follow the same beliefs. However, as you say Amoud, some westerners wear shorts and tight tops because they feel comfortable in them.
In the same way, some muslim women cover and wear excessive make-up, skinny jeans with the hijab/abaya. Some will do it to attract male attention and some will do it because they just want to feel beautiful. As they are muslims, they will know what is in the heart and what they will be judged on, so let none judge them, even though their intention may appear to be "obvious". No man will ever know what is in another mans heart.
"Actions are but by intention, and every man/woman shall have that which he intended" - Hadith.
are called "batoolahs" and they are a uniquely Gulf habit among older women. Originally from Iran, I think...you won't see many/any younger chicks wearing them.
Many older ladies don't even take them off at home among their family members. They are hand-made out of fabric, and I always used to think they made the women look like falcons!
"I also have issue with gals in skin tight jeans and T shirts, a tonne of makeup etc wearing hijab and scorning western women for doing pretty much the same thing."
Amoud, those who live in glass house don't throw stones at others, right? Then, why do you think the so called tight and flashy stuff covering women(of glass house) scorn(stone) westerners. Do you know anyone doing here personally? If it is your advise to covering women to wear modestly then its ok but charging them without evidence is not...
Sag, I am covered and have friends who dress in tight clothes and scorn western women which is what I deplore. I am surely not charging them sag if you could comprehend anything I have written in this thread.
Gees, it should be "dont throw stones unless you know what you are talking about". Why dont you at least read the posts before jumping on me, and perhaps understand the concept before offering advice?
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.27 Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet (saws) said, "A woman is married for four things, i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should marry the religious woman, (otherwise) you will be a loser."
It is interesting as someone mentioned about the difference between the perceptions of a Nun wearing a "habit" ie long clothes and head scarf and of a Muslim lady.
As a man to me a nun feels approachable, but with a muslim lady as a man you are not supposed to talk to them anyway and the black is very intimidating. I find the white abayas and head scarfes much less intimidating.
Can someone explain to me the gold/metal looking eye shield things.
Engr, wouldn't men go mad if they removed their Hijab?
The discussion is about Hijab here not tight flashy abayas. Wearing such abayas is some women's choice much similar to of those who don't want to wear hijab. The fearful definitely cover themselves modestly. Tight and flashy abayas are just driven by tradition not faith.
Eng... I am not sure I wouild label it as only Qatari women, or GCC national women. It is not just the flashy abaya, I also have issue with gals in skin tight jeans and T shirts, a tonne of makeup etc wearing hijab and scorning western women for doing pretty much the same thing.
Bottom line, a western woman in a tank top and shorts doesnt look like she is trying to attract attention, she is just wearing what makes her comfortable. A covered woman with all the getup is trying to attract attention. I dont think when it is obvious of your intention you should be condeming others. Most women who wear proper hijab dont often say much about how non-muslim women are dressed but do indeed take offense to the improper hijabis.
did you really count how many hijabies are there in Qatar??, lol wow what a great counter you are.. okay well answering your question , it's not a burden at all. I'm so proud i'm wearing it!
The author of the thread should summaries it and conclude with strong points.
Let me try to make an attempt that...
1) Hijab is not at all a burden for muslim women But an open choice to cover herself in an acceptable behaviour in the muslim society.
2) In GCC it is a tradition with fashion, which is more than a religion's call.
3) Hijab is a personal /individual's choice for a woman; even ladies (QL)are very clear and matured, to understand that men are also interested, which is covered or hidden and Men are least bothered, which are open, over exposed and slutty.
4) The above comments also made it clear that nationality or religion has very less role to play in wearing hijab.
5) Modest clothing with or without Hijab is the Key for any civilised society.
Update if I missed any important message....Thanks
I have worn the hijab for over 25 years of my life. I chose to remove it a couple of years ago. I was brought up in the UK.
The reason why many women wear it in the UK is because of 2 things:
1. Forced to by their parents.
2. Out of choice.
The parents who force their kids to wear the hijab in the UK have come from muslim countries and when entering the west, they feared they would lost their Iman (faith) due to western cultures and felt the hijab, amongst other things was necessary to keep strong in their faith.
Those who do it out of choice are not just reverts, there are many asian and arab muslim girls who attend islamic study circles and the more they learn about the religion, the more they feel compound to cover up.
The word hijab is not just about dress. Its about the modesty of the women inside and out. It comes across as oppressive, but it is also there to protect.
Growing up, I wore the hijab because my parents wanted me to wear the hijab. I then began going to islamic study circles and understood why I was wearing it. As I grew up, I stopped going to these study circles and became more involved in my career. I felt the hijab was a hindrance. I work in the construction industry which was heavily male populated. I found that they didnt know how to react to me.
I decided to remove the hijab and when I did, I noticed my employers were giving me a lot more responsibility and sent me to meet clients on my own which hadn't happened previously. My employers were not racist and I never felt that they treated me differently, but I believe they understood that their clients felt uncomfortable around the hijab. The hijab makes any society think about how they talk or react to a woman wearing this dress (whether it be western dress with a headscarf, or the abaya). Men especially offer more respect, they mind their language and most would definitely not ask the "hijabi" out if he barely knew her.
As I have experienced reactions wearing the hijab and not wearing the hijab I can honestly say that men treat women differently depending on their dress. Men approached me a lot easier when I removed the hijab. They found it easier to "chat me up" and talk at ease. Sometimes this a hindrance (when they would chat me up) and sometimes it worked in my favour (for career purposes).
I have heard many opinions about whether the hijab is compulsory in Islam or not. Its a grey area in my opinion, but as with anything in Islam, it is your choice. To not wear the hijab is not as "haram" as eating pork. Yet at the same time, hijab is not only about appearances, but it is what is within as well.
its nature's call, get married at the right age, be pious and content, lower the gaze, close all the doors which leads towards sin and then pray to God for leading towards the right path.....
I like it.. Only if it was in my control.. I would have been married at the right age but alas it is in God's hand.. One can't change one's destiny.
Avoid who looking at me? The Qatari guy? He did look at me but he was with his friend and his family and a friend of the family so because of that personal attachment I was treated with respect.
Sag my boyfriend didn't look at ANY of them, thank you very much (unless I pointed them out :P). And the Qatari guy did look at everything, just harder and longer at the girls in niqab.
Gypsy, I think you are contradicting. You said your boy friend didnt look at the cleavage of some girls while he chased the others. Why so if men look at everything?
its nature's call, get married at the right age, be pious and content, lower the gaze, close all the doors which leads towards sin and then pray to God for leading towards the right path.....
When I dress up in my national dress shalwar kameez or sarees or even in western attire like jeans with a long top or long skirts and blouse with my hair open and flying away.. I do not get any attentino.. No one follows me or gives me their numbers but when I don the abaya and cover my hair and go out to the malls.. hundreds of men follow me around, say some sort of comments in arabic, say their cell numbers aloud and one guy even sent me his name and number with the waiter in the coffee shop.. I wonder why?
Indeed the world is becoming a village n power is to those who hold respect and a lack of ignorance...I am christian,n I do respect the Muslim culture coming frm a country that accomodates Islam as well..back home nobody cares how we dress even the muslims..coz we arent bound by the bible to hide ourselves..but i find it quite disturbing when i wear jeans...and all these people look at you like your naked...when a Filipino wears the same..no eyes on them but a sister of color(black) wears them its like we should be stoned for it..I did not choose to have a back side...it was given to me for free..no apologies!
I was having dinner with my boyfriends parents and their Qatari friend the other day, and at least 10 Western and Filipina girls walked past wearing "revealing clothes" (ie tight jeans and shirts showing a bit of cleavage)
Probably Gypsy was trying real hard in gaining attention. Who knows? Maybe she was dress up like those Asians or even worse since she is a westerner.
I was having dinner with my boyfriends parents and their Qatari friend the other day, and at least 10 Western and Filipina girls walked past wearing "revealing clothes" (ie tight jeans and shirts showing a bit of cleavage) and he gave them no more then a glance but when a group of niqab clad women went by he stared after them and started saying that he LOVED women like that because he knows how sexy they are underneath. I couldn't believe it. Kind of defeats the whole purpose eh.
"Why only a few muslim womens wear hijab ? Why not others ? Is hijab making a women outdated !! plz share your comments"
Because not all muslim women think Hijab is obligatory. A desirable getsure of religious freedom.
Those women who feel outdated being covered let them not wear Hijab but calling those who do wear outdated is not acceptable. Accordingly those who feel protected wearing Hijab let them do that but not blame those who don't wear as objects. I think its as simple as that..
Just wondering where is the originator of this Question and is it really benefitting him/her and or rest of the guys commenting from almost a week if i am not wrong....
that waz re; to burden... which depends on what values u have... u may find sumthing like a burden whereas it may not be the same for otherz...
both r different u r right ... in a way ~ but..
Just like, caring for ur parents is ur obligation.. wearing hijab is a duty as well, for a muslim woman .. becoz it is for her own benefit ... and showz her love and responsibility towards her religion ..
Nadia you are saying "man looks if they are wearing and abaya or bikini!!" - what needs to happen is that certain men need to act with more decorum etc its not all the womens fault.
PEACE BE UPON YOU,YOU SEE THE DISCUSSION DIVERTED HIJAB IS A CHOICE NOW IF SOME WOMAN ARE WEARING IT IN THE WRONG WAY IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS WRONG,AND YES WESTERN WOMAN WEAR WHAT THEY LIKE IN THEIR PLACE I KNOW THAT THEY ARE USED TO THESE CLOTHES BUT WHEN YOU ARE IN ROME TRY TO ACT AS THEY DO I AM NOT SAYING TO WEAR HIJAB BUT TO HAVE SOME MODEST CLOTHING BECAUSE THE MEN HERE ARE NOT USED TO SEE THESE SEXY VIEWS ,I KNOW MEN WILL ALWAYS LOOK WETHER A WOMAN IS IN ABAYA OR IN BIKINI BUT I CARE ABOUT THE WOMAN HERE NOT THE MAN I WISH SHE WILL PROTECT HER FLESH FROM THESE HUNGRY EYES HERE DO NOT EVEN TAKE IT AS A MUSLIM THING,ACTUALLY I HAVE A LOT OF WESTERN FRIEND WHO WEAR MODEST CLOTHES PROPER FOR THIS COUNTRY,WHEREAS SOME ARABIC WOMAN EVEN DRESS WORSE THAN A WESTERNER ,MY CONCERN IS REALLY THE WOMAN HERE IF YOU DO NOT MIND THESE MEN STARING SO GO A HEAD DO WHAT YOU WANT AND DRESS UP THE WAY YOU PREFER BUT IF YOU WISH TO PROTECT YOUR BODY JUST DRESS UP A LITTLE CLOSE TO THE CUSTOMS OF THE COUNTRY YOU ARE STAYING IN
Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!
Hijab is not a must. the muslim woman should wear hijab only when she reach a spiritual level where she knows excatly what is hijab and why to wear it. most of muslims wear hijab as a tradition act. this is so false. Hijab started with christians before islam came to the world. Some christian women still wear hijab when they go to church to pray. The christian sisters must wear hijab bekoz they never get married. they spend their lives to pray for God and help in many social activites.
Nowadays we see women in hijab but 1000 times more sexy than another girl wizout hijab wich is pathetic! muslim u r or christian or anythin else, u can wear nice modern cloths, look so feminine and respectful at same time.
"...my lady friend here was just a few pieces of itty bitty clothing away from shaking it on a pole. "
Lol Amoud, enjoyed the "shaking it on a pole" :)
My bride/fiancee, showed me once a photo of her using the traditional moroquian clothes and she looked sexy, even if it only revealed her eyes but i told her that if she ever decides to use something similar it's per her wish because i'll never impose her what to dress or not.
I used to think, like some people stated here, that those the Abbayas and similar clothes were imposed by husbands to wifes, but i have noticed some ladies at QL use it because they want/like to wear it, so, i no longer see it as an imposition.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
You got it spot on Ummjake.... that drives me nuts.
I have a friend (actually, the wife of my husbands friend) who covers her hair loosly, wears all the makeup and jewels, tight jeans, sky high shoes etc. We were having coffee (and I must say I am a bit embarrased to go with her, shame on me I know but I find the whole getup tacky) and some American women walked by in tank tops, skirts and flip flops. Of course she had a million comments, all the while I am practically putting my teeth through my tongue so I wont say anything to her.
Let me say that in no way did these women have any sexual flair about them, they just looked casual out for a day of shopping whereas my lady friend here was just a few pieces of itty bitty clothing away from shaking it on a pole.
Qatar malls, as we see all latest designed / fashoinable abayas are flaunted nowadays. This is still not a very common observation in Qatar but in Dubai, this is very common.
It is the job of these young ladies parents to make them aware that what Hijab is in real sense and what they follow is NOT the same, what your religion have asked for?
Islam have serious problems and threats from (insiders)hypocrites than non-believers!
...if I understand her point correctly. It's the hypocrisy of seeing covered women (abaya/hijab/whatever) that STILL flaunt their sexuality that is annoying and confusing to outsiders.
Look around all the malls here and you see the abayas lined in red satin, the ones with sequins and feathers adorning the big drapey bell sleeves and hemlines, the hijabs that are held across their faces by hand -- then casually lowered to create an air of sensuality...it doesn't get more more sexually loaded than this!
I have no problem if a woman CHOOSES (of her own free will, not because her husband wants her to) to cover(well, actually, if I am honest, it DOES bug the hell out of me to see the women who wear the socks and gloves with the whole ninja outfit...do they actually think that a man is going to get aroused at the sight of their naked little finger or big toe??), but like so much that happens here, I am mostly offended at the hypocrisy of how it is practiced.
Covering one's self is meant to be a show of modesty according to the religion, a way to NOT bring attention to your body and shape -- so I have a hard time understanding how feathers and sequins and form-fitting satin abayas equal modest dress.
And don't even get me started on the make-up, perfume and 4 inch stiletto heels!
The reality is that for many females here, wearing hijab/abaya is completely devoid of ANY religious significance anymore. They cover because it is culturally expected of them, nothing more. Hence, when they board a flight for London, they will remove everything in the airplane lavatory.
Many of my western girlfriends who have married locals/Arabs cover while they're here, but when they head back to the States/Europe, they remove it all. They rationalize it because they say it would draw MORE attention to them if they covered back home. But here, it is the norm/expected. Many of them expressly say that they wear it not out of a personal sense of it's the right thing to do, but because they respect their husbands and it's what he wants.
Is this a kind of force or pressure? Some might say yes...
From the outside looking in, it certainly seems like a very schizophrenic, disingenuous way to live...having these two indentities...one for Qatar/the Muslim world (at least where people who know you and your family might see you), and another for everywhere else.
Please hijab doesn't mean men dont stare, men are men lol.
Just this friday in city centre group of girls in hijabs and head scarfs, without heavy make walking along and three arab guys stop and stare up and down their bottoms.
I need to say this, I cant hold it anymore, if offense is taken I am sorry.
Nadia, a point that I am trying to make is that a Western woman is not identifying herself to any religion by her clothing, but a covered woman is... and in that respect I think that seeing a covered woman in stucco makeup and tight clothes is far worse than seeing the cleavage of a western woman for the simple fact that.... if a person is wearing hijab in this manner I am sure they have been told, or at least seen something on TV that this is not the way it should be worn and is actually haram (hence the argument is that if you wear hijab you should know better). A Westeand rn or uncovered lady in a shorter skirt and such is only wearing what is widely accepted in her country.
If you want to flaunt, go for it, I dont really see the issue but I hate to see there being justification for the judgment on non hijab wearing women. At least they are not being contradictory, nor insulting theirs and the faith of others by calling this hijab, and then scowling at uncovered ladies.
This is around in circles, I am having a difficult time articulating this at the moment and perhaps would have done much better if I put it out there bluntly in the way I wanted to but I am trying to be as diplomatic as possible.
One more thing! Hijab is more useful in plaes like Qatar (and Asian [India especially]/Middle Eastern countries)because you have too many impolite men who loiter in streets and malls and do nothing but stare at women from top to bottom in very dirty filthy way and they chase women in streets and souqs (go to Egypt or India or Saudi Arabia) and they eat women in their hungry uncivilized eyes!!!
Women with or without Hijab can walk in USA or European Malls and Streets without any piles of loitering single men staring so closely at her body!
Shame on Arabs and Asians...
Finally, it is so strange that these Muslims in GCC ignore a CLEAR direction in Quraan against GAZING and Staring at opposite sex... How strange!
No woman regardless of clothes feel being watched hungrily in any Western Mall but ask any decent woman how she feels when she goes to Lulu HyperMarket and all these Asian men on the Entrance standing only to watch women!!!
PEACE BE UPON YOU, i know what you were making fun of and i didn't mean beating me i meant bst post,i am not judgmental i am just sharing my opinion like you did
here is some text from a CNN article which i think is relevent to this topic.
"In the men who scored highest on hostile sexism, the part of the brain associated with analyzing another person's thoughts, feelings and intentions was inactive while viewing scantily clad women, Fiske said. Visit CNNHealth.com, your connection for better living
Men also remember these women's bodies better than those of fully-clothed women, Fiske said. Each image was shown for only a fraction of a second.
This study looked specifically at men, and did not test women's responses to similar images.
A supplementary study on both male and female undergraduates found that men tend to associate bikini-clad women with first-person action verbs such as I "push," "handle" and "grab" instead of the third-person forms such as she "pushes," "handles" and "grabs." They associated fully clothed women, on the other hand, with the third-person forms, indicating these women were perceived as in control of their own actions. The females who took the test did not show this effect, Fiske said."
"Past studies have also shown that when men view images of highly sexualized women, and then interact with a woman in a separate setting, they are more likely to have sexual words on their minds, she said. They are also more likely to remember the woman's physical appearance, and sit closer to her -- for instance, at a job interview. "
PEACE BE UPON YOU,you know you do not have to change anybody,you choose your wife so you know how they dress up from the start,i know many of the nationalities you mention wear hijab maybe in a very liberal way ok,but still seeing a heavy make up eyes or lips is not like seeing the parts of the body of a woman you are supposed to see only in the bedroom,well you believe in freedom of speech and this is my opinion ok just try to accept it,i didn't grew up with hijab but really after certain things that happened i hated really exposing any part of my body(once i was walking and in front of me a little to the side a man who was staring at the behind of a woman in front of both of us that woman was wearing a fitted jeans and was walking with her boyfriend,i can never forget the way that man was looking i felt he undressed her with his eyes without her even noticing) ,well accept it as you want i don''t but this is my opinion ok????
PEACE BE UPON YOU,as for the capital letters it is usually by mistake coz my password is in capital letters,as for the manhood,i really with many other people feel it is really very insulting when you are with a woman and other man start staring at her now i don't mean necessary covering the hair i meant the rest of the body too ,well it is not my standards alone believe me and i do not have anything against those who are not wearing hijab but those who wear very revealing cloths as if they want to show the world how sexy they are
PEACE BE UPON YOU,I AM PROUD OF MY HIJAB ,AND NO ONE SEES ME AS OPRESSED I TALK IN PUBLIC GIVE SPEECHES,HAVE FRIENDS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO RESPECT MY CHOICE,I LIKE HOW NO MAN OTHER THAN MY HUSBAND CAN SEE MY HAIR ,FLESH AND OTHER ATTRACTIVE PARTS OF MY BODY AND I DO WONDER HOW A MAN CONSIDER HIMSELF A MAN CAN WALK WITH HIS WIFE WITH HER BREASTS (AND EXCUSE ME FOR THE WORD)exposed??????????? i saw this view in the park last week in a family park imagine!!!!!!!! she was getting her child from the ground and everything was out in a second disgusting come on mennnnnnn how can you accept other man to enjoy thissssssss?????
It should be choice. But on the other hand if some does decide to wear it, they should also respected as much as the one who choose not to don it.
Especailly in the west. People see muslim women who choose to wear hijab as oppressed. If a nun can wear a scarf and wonder around with respect in a western society then equally the muslim ladies should be treated the same..
I agree also engr2002, and to be honest one can only explain their reasons if asked. We all do the best we can do and come the day of judgement we are all accountable for our own actions.
I think I will change my signature after this one....
Yes. No Compulsion in Religion. God will judge each based on their individual performance on Judgment Day. We are not allowed to assume God's role. This is very disrespectful. He has the Power and He will excercise it....
Scarlet is very correct. Those who believe in it should practice it freely. Those who don't should not be bullied by parents/husbands to do it. Majority do it based on personal choice.
This issue is none of the business of governments or newspapers or political debates. Leave people alone as long as they are happy.
So when a muslim man is wearing flashy, "arrogent' clothing and his wife is wearing modest clothing how would you explain that?
I have heard conflicting things about the hadiths and they are not the Koran, they are just accepted customs or ideas, they are a big mixture, much like i would say gospels in christianity.
Can someone give me the exact quote as some people I have heard say it is not in the Koran that women have to cover up?
As per ur request..
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 7 Surah Aaraaf verse 26:
26 O ye children of Adam! We have bestowed clothing upon you to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you; but the clothing of ‘taqwa’ (piety, righteousness, etc.) that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah that they may receive admonition!
Provided that the below five conditions of apparel are not violated, there is absolutely no restriction on the type or color of clothing the believers are allowed to wear in Islam:
Clothes worn should not announce arrogance.
The ‘satr’ of the person (man or woman) must be covered in the presence of their non-mehrams.
The clothes worn must not be tight so as to display ones figure and curves, and should not be transparent.
The clothes worn must not be an imitation of the pagans or disbelievers.
Men should not imitate women in their clothing; nor should women imitate men in their clothing.
The dress code for a believing woman in Shariah is not prescribed for what is lawful to wear inside/outside one’s home; but rather Islam guides towards the attire of the believing women she is to adorn when in the presence of mehrams and non-mehram members of the opposite sex.
Ref: Dress code of the believing women when in the presence of adult non-mehram members of the opposite sex:
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzaab verse 59:
O Prophet, enjoin your wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons. It is expected that they will thus be recognized, and not molested. Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 4092 Narrated by Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin
Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Messenger of Allah (saws) wearing thin clothes. The Messenger of Allah (saws) turned his attention from her and said: ‘O Asma, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this’, and he (saws) pointed to her face and hands.
Vmakunhi: "You are full of awsome" (source Abu American) ;)
Now, more serious, i do think that if a woman feals good wearing it that it's ok, just don't agree that a woman is more or less interesting either using it or not.
It's a women choice.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Yes you are right this world is too small because death is waiting for everyone and no one will save from death
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 3 Surah Ale Imran verse 110:
You (Muslims) are the best community which has been raised for the guidance of mankind. You enjoin what is right, and forbid what is evil and you all believe in Allah Alone.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “None of you will have faith till he wishes for his brother what he likes for himself”
Narrated by Hazrat Anas (r.a.) Sahih Bukhari Book 2, Chapter 7 Hadith 802
Oh and True Friend - please don't patronise me by calling me 'DEAR'. I'm not your dear so don't do it again, there's a good boy. Now run along and live in your own little nonsensical world.
Vmakunhi - 'moreover hijab also gives women an air of authority, dignity and respect which a non-believer can never claim to possess'
I really, really take exception to this assumption of yours. What about well known women in world history like Marie Curie, Princess Diana, Florence Nightingale, Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, Maria Callas, etc, etc?? Did these women not possess authority, dignity and respect? Or simply by not wearing hijab, they did not??
COME ON!!!!!!! How can you possibly believe this?
It should be a matter of personal choice, pure and simple. End of story. I know this topic has been discussed many, many times and will continue to be discussed - we all have different beliefs and opinions and should accept that. By saying that hijab protects women from assault is simply just not true, and you must surely know that. Are you seriously telling me that women who wear hijab are never assaulted? Why is it always the woman's fault if a man attacks her - oops sorry, she's using her 'feminie charms'. Not the man's fault for not being adult enough and responsible enough to control his own actions.
Amoud- lol wlecome to the club :) i quit my job before going for hajj in december and here ad there when I feel like going back to work, just thinking about missing out on morning coffees and pot luck lunches, its something i am really enjoying these days :)oh and not to mention, going to the gym religiously, so life without work is fun.
If we can only define the important things that really matter in life, and introduce them to all societies in a nice respectful and appealing way, we wouldn't have to suffer every one's sudden urge to judge others and force their ideas and beliefs upon them.
Can't we talk about meeting and arranging events like family sports for every one of us to join without limiting invitations to certain race or school of thought? Can't we stop judging each other and saying these sick words "i just don't understand why/how they do/think/believe so" ?
Can't we accept each other and respect each other's way of life? Did any woman in Hijab ask for any "infidel's" assistance or rescue? Do any of the muslim "scholars" out there see this as a Guidance to Islam forum?
Is any of the happy ladies and gentlemen wearing (or rather not wearing) what they like when and where they like intending to declare their Islam and just want this matter solved to their convenience before they take that step?
Am I talking to myself?
I'm not taking any sides, because it's actually a circle, there are no "sides", what comes around goes around. If only the governments, the media and the press would concentrate on gathering people on mutual respect based on basic ethical values, rather than helping them deepen their hatred for each other's values and thoughts and ways of life!
Don't u think it's a matter of personal choice? If it's outdated well that's making it seem like a fashion statement (since when was the hijab ever meant to be a fashion statement?). If a woman wants to do it, let her she isn';t doing anything wrong -and if she doesn't well I'm sure that's none of our business ;-)
Bstmom, I have recently become (as Darude puts it) one of those unemployed housewives who spends her mornings of leisure shopping, going to the salon and having coffee with all the others like me :)
Hijab is a way of life and I think the only thing that outdates it are peoples misinformed conceptions. God knows it wouldnt hurt some people to cover up a little more in public.
Mabrook bstmom :) We will have to meet up and go hijab shopping some time :)
As for showing it all off in public, to be honest it doesnt really matter what everyone else thinks. I dont care if the shopkeeper thinks I am cute, or the guy standing beside me in the grocery store. I dont get my sense of pride or confidence from what strangers think of me, and it doesnt make me feel better to think some stranger thinks I am hot.
When I get all my best gear on at home, and my husband can walk in the door from a 14 hour day at work and say "Wow, you are so beautiful" he appreciates the effort I made for him, who at the end of the day is really the only man that really matters in this respect. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
oh btw I just recently took my Hijab and so I am so proud of myself, becase I no longer care what others would think but rather I am strong enough to stick and stand up for what I beleive :)
I think its very important to learn about a topic such as "hijab" before we start giving our own opinions and how one think its outdated or needs a change or a burden. Hijab only stands for modesty and muslim women in diffrent part of the world wears thier hijab diffrently. An African muslim will wear diffrent than an Indian mulsim and the gulf and Saudis wear Abayas. As far as the diffrent colors were concerned, go to egypt and lebonon, you will see diffrent color. BTW Abaya is only worn outisde the house, once inside the four walls, Abaya's are off and women are free to show thier trendy and expensive outfits to thier freinds. BTW I think this discussion did not need so much discussion, as I don't think anyone will actually change thier views on it unless they really care to learn the reasoning, and from the proper sources, not just from any mojo (including myself:P)Oh I find it fummy that the original poster hasnt responded once and here is everyone going at it, including me. hopefully this is my last comment on this thread.
I am with PM on this one too. As I said previously a woman will never truely be defined by a piece of cloth. I know some women who wear niqab and all and are not the best of people, forget religion, and I know women who dont cover and are 100 times better (mashallah) than I can ever hope to be.
I have embraced my hijab fully, and love every aspect of it. I think sometimes people speak about hijab negatively because perhaps they dont get the full concept nor understand what it feels like for a muslim woman to love it with all her heart. I am not oppressed, I dont miss out on doing anything I want to do, and have all the freedom in the world to make my own choices.
The Qur'an is the direct Word of Allah (SWT) and it does not contain a single alphabet from anyone, even Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
CAN U TELL ME ONE THING DEAR :
When u birth which type of cloth you was war???????????
When u will die which type of cloth u will war?????????????
If the answer is you don’t know---- then how u can war the cloths in this land as per your wish
We all have to war cloths as per Allah’s wish and his Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Way because in Qur'an said my Allah not even by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH how to war the cloths for Man & woman
and not FORCED upon a woman to wear it, its fine. I would imagine some women feel more comfortable hiding behind a veil while others feel fine without it. Wear what makes you comfortable and forget what everyone else thinks!!
PM, I agree with you that you can't judge what's in a woman's heart by a piece of cloth.
vmakunhi ...I didn't even HAVE to look at your profile to know you were male...such arrogance and ignorance showed itself in your post.
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
YOU, do not think that anybody needs to cover in this day and age; this is a personal view and not all people should agree with this statement and i stand to differ. It is my personal choice and my right to believe or wear whatever i want as long as I respect other people's freedom and right.
I do not wear hijab to let people know that as a muslim I am modest, I wear it to follow my religion (and by that i do not mean abayaa and stick to black only). I do not expect you to understand my choice as you are not a muslim, but it is my right and I'm not offending any one by wearing long skirts, long sleeve tops and a scarf -or with others abaya.
I am from the West (UK) and have been living and working there untill a few month back and I have NEVER felt my hijab did invite any hatred (even after 9/11 and 07/07 in london), actually sometimes people from work or in streets come up and ask me where do I buy my scarfs from!
No one can deny that if a women walked by in short skirt/tight skinny jeans and /or low cut top men won't be drooling and eyes poping following her every moves - even if the wife was there!!!!! And women who are covered up most of the time there is nothing to look at except for the face.
Some women choose to wear revealing cloth, others choose to wear modest cloth, others choose to wear abayas/hijab or hijab (long skirt and long sleeve top with head covered). It is a personal choice, can't see where the problem is. Colour is a personel choice as well! You know in UK the most common colours are black, brown and grey!
Your previous comment was harsh and unfair as well - Choosing what you like or what is best for you or your family in life is a PERSONAL choice as well, so whether to go to study is USA, UK or China it's a personal choice. Finding the best place for education has nothing to do with wearing abaya, but as being a muslim - then yes because our religion encourage us to achieve the best education.
I'm not from the gulf and never wore abayaa and I don't like them as well (I hate black). But I'm not bothered by them and all the black that I see in the Mall. You have to remember that the abayaa is this country's traditional dress. The Goth look with all the black is quite common in West but I never heard such criticism.
I respect your comments. However, I don't think that anybody needs to cover in this day and age! If they cover when they worship, who they worship, that's fine. But come on, even Nuns in the West don't wear the wimple any more, a lot of Jewish men who once wore yarmulke, don't any more.
It is outdated and come on now that the world is more open to other religions, we know Muslims are 'modest'. It is archaic and to be honest in the West, and I am not saying this is right, it invites hatred not stops it!
To be a good faithful muslim there are lots of important things that you have to do such as praying, fasting, hajj, abstinence from alcohol and not eating pork and other stuff, and hijab (which is covering your hair and body by any types of cloth) is one of them.
It does not mean wearing a abayaa or veil which are traditional dresses for the Gulf countries and some other arabic/muslim countries which women in these countries feel they have to wear and when they go abroad they take it off!
It is a requirement for muslim women to wear hijab but as with other muslim commitments e.g praying some muslims do not commit to it. In islam you are responsible for your own actions, god has given you a mind to think with and guidance has been given to you through the quran.
As such i believe MUSLIM women should have the choice to whether to wear a hijab or not; as long as she knows the quranic guidance and thus should not be judged as long as she dresses modestly (i.e no mini skirts or shorts or low cut tops). At the same time women who choose to wear a hijab should be respected for that, same way jewish men wear their hat (yarmulke), jewish women wear wigs, sheik who cover their heads, nuns who cover their heads etc it is a religious choice and should be respected!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I as a true muslim believer expect people to respect my believes as i do respect other people's believes, to be treated and respected as a person and not judged by how i dress or look.
stop wearing them? There is no need, it does not achieve anything. Here's a thought, they want oh 'Western Education', they want the 'Western' food, they adopt Western cluture when it suits, so why not just come clean and admit there is no reason for wearing it?
can only change the colors of the abaya..bet its gonna be so cool looking at them..like fairies in the gulf..imagine one in pink..in green..in blue..red..with floral designs..or stars..or anything..just not the black..they can wear it for special occasions..but for everyday wear the colorful ones..bet someone would react the colors would be screaming for attention, its good to look at whats gonna be wrong with that..and then men can wear theirs with animal prints..its gonna be so interesting to see people with colors...hope i can see a party like that some day!
some women wear hijab because they obey Allah, some wear just for culture , and remove when they r in other parts of the world.
for a real muslim its a part of their life , anything for allah, hijab is something really small.. there fore its not a burden for real muslim.
hijabs never make women outdated , how can women become outdated , in gulf , i think women r always competing to wear the latest model and best abayas..hijabs seem to becoming fashion among majority muslim women..
Until the Imperialists invaded Muslim Countries and the Muslims started mixing with non-believers, all our Muslim women walked in this world with great respect and dignity. The non-believers were finding it very difficult to come anywhere near the border of our Muslim sisters purity. The Hijab (Islamic dress for women) did not only protect them from those evil eyes of non-believers but also gave them freedom and independence from being misused by them.
The non-believers planned to destroy their barrier through removal of Hijab (Hejab, Hijaab) and unfortunately, many of our sisters, without realizing what shame and destruction they were bringing to themselves, removed the Hijab (Muslim Veil) and exposed themselves.
When imperialists invaded China, they were not faced with Hijab but were confronted with other obstacles and the Chinese refused to co-operate with them. In order to crush this resistance, the imperialists flooded China with opium and made it available to the Chinese free of charge. Once the Chinese were addicted, free distribution of opium ceased and it was given only to those who fulfilled their demands.
Removal of the Hijab had exactly the same effect. At one time, you were independent and lived with dignity, but now you are nothing but a slave of your evil desire and behave worse than a Kafir (infidel). By removing your Hijab (An Act of Faith), you have destroyed your faith. Islam means submission to Allah (SWT) in all our action. Those who refused submission cannot be called Muslims. Allah (SWT) states in Holy Qur'an: "And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! So that you may be successful." Holy Qur'an (24:31)
Also, Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) says: Modesty is the symbol of faith and whoever has no modesty (Hijab), has no religion.
There are many sisters who have failed to understand the actual meaning of Hijab.
To observe proper Hijab is to dress up oneself modestly and appropriately covering all parts of body except face and forearms, without showing one's figure or curves and without using any sort of make-up.
Allah (SWT) has given equal rights to both men and women; He forbids either sex claiming supremacy over the other.
Allah (SWT) states in Holy Qur'an: "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)." Holy Qur'an (49:13)
Hijab is one of the righteous deeds and it is a sign of honor and equality with men and stands as a shield of protection against evil man.
The woman in Islam is bestowed with respect and honour and a Muslim gives great importance to his wife. Our Holy Prophet Muhammad's (saw) Hadith says the best of you are those who are best in resting their wives.
The status of wife is so respectable that she is not bound to do any house-hold work unless she does it willingly and with affection; but if her husband forces her to do any work; he will have to answer to Allah (SWT) for his conduct. Also, she is not bound to earn and maintain the house of her husband. Her work shall always conform to the laws of Islam (Shariat). Unlike the Western world, the Muslim wife is a queen in her husband's house. The first thing a husband does for his wife is to provide a servant and a cook according to his ability and when she becomes a mother, she receives greatest respect from her husband. Contrary to this, is considered a sin by Allah (SWT).
One of the most common phrases in Islam is the 'Paradise lies at the feet of the mother'. And Allah (SWT) states in Holy Qur'an: "And your Lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but Him, and goodness to your parents. If either or both of them reach old age with you, say not to them (so much as) "Ugh" nor chide them, and speak to them a generous word." Holy Qur'an (17:23)
Allah (SWT) has given great impedance to women and for that reason He orders their children to address them in terms of honor.
What kind of dignity a non-believer has by the way; they conduct their life and expose themselves. They have removed the shield of protection, that modesty of Hijab and left themselves unprotected and that is the cause for the assault, which takes place once every ten seconds in rape and murder around the world. But those true Muslims who observe proper Hijab are protected from such assaults and not one ease or this type is ever heard of.
Moreover Hijab also gives the women an air of authority, dignity and respect, which a non-believer can never claim to possess. Only those who are well behaved can expect admiration and high esteem from others and definitely, those who try to attract men can never be called a well-behaved person.
Those who reject Hijab and wish to attract men are suffering from inferiority complex. They believe men are superior and in order to overcome this feeling, they use their feminine charms. But why should a Muslim woman have such a feeling when she is fully aware of her equality with men?
Hijab, therefore, has such benefits as a guard against any assault, equality with men, air of respect and honor and most important of all, obedience to Allah (SWT) which is equivalent to blood of martyr. Hijab requires women to avoid any sort of attraction to men.
We have many Muslims sisters who are more concerned to please themselves and their non-believer friends than Allah (SWT). Let us not forget the purpose of our existence, which is to cultivate love and affection for Allah in our heart and not for anything else. How can we create that love when we disobey Him? Adoration and affection come from the heart and those who truly love Allah (SWT) will not do anything contrary to this.
Some of our sisters come up with the excuse that the non-believers laugh at them if they observe Hijab and they feel degraded. They may laugh for a little while but after some time, they will have no choice but to respect the Muslim women observing Hijab for their discipline and principles which could not be shaken by their little laugh.
Let us not forget the famous phrase: He who laughs last laughs the longest.
A Muslim sister lives for the future and not for the day; we can all look forward to be in Heaven for believing and obeying Allah (SWT).
Hijab is one of the commandments of Allah (SWT). The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) said that those women who do not observe proper Hijab are blatantly defying the commandment of Allah (SWT). Ahlul Bayt (as) suffered hardships and offered unparalleled sacrifices to bring original Islam to us. Discarding Hijab puts their sacrifices in vain. And the pleasure of Allah (SWT) is the greatest bliss. But for those who disobeyed, what punishment is awaiting them but Hell-Fire!
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There is no need for it at all. As I was told by Muslim friends, as long as a Muslim woman covers her hair and is acts with decorum, she doesnot need to cover herself in the way that some do. It is tradition rather than religion!
"We are free to wear whatever and do whatever we please in the privacy of our home..Is that not good enough.."
Sorry but no, i want everybody to be jealous when they see me and bride walking in the street, y would i want her to use all those clothes only at home? ;)
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
i just saw a lot of women in abayas or hijab shopping for clothes and shoes in some branded shops here..of course they have the money to buy it and of course i dont have the right to question what they buy, but i just wonder why wear all the nice clothes and shoes if you cant flaunt it to everybody?they will wear it at home?and that would be it?end of story?
By wearing western clothes no one says that you cannot wear Hijab with it. I am western clothes but not the tight or revealing ones and wear Hijab with them.. I don't look outdated or have a outdated look.. you can look great if you know how to dress and carry yourself..
Wearing Hijab is a choice of the individual, its not forced upon but rather its being educated to us ..
We are free to wear whatever and do whatever we please in the privacy of our home..Is that not good enough..
in Arab world Abaya and or hijab is worn as part of thier culture, in most cases women wearing it has nothign to do with religion, rather to stick to thier culture, and once out of thier land, they don't feel the need to "burden" themselves with the hijab and abayas. But most muslim women who wear it because they understand it and it was thier choice, will wear it no mater what part of the world they are living in.
TrueFriend - You can quote the Holy Quran all you like, but let's not forget it was written by MAN.
If women want to cover up, fine - if they don't - then also fine, though it's not is it??? It's not a matter of personal choice, but a matter of men's choice over what their women wear. I'm sure some women are very happy to cover themselves, but I'm also very sure that a lot of women are equally unhappy about it. You only have to travel on a flight going to Europe to see all the local women boarding the plane totally covered up, and then arriving in Britian/Europe/USA wherever, and 'shezam!!' they're wearing western clothes. So why, can someone explain please? Do they cover up because it's expected here, but they don't really want to or what?? If they really believed it was right to always be covered up then surely they would wear the same clothes in any country irrespective of customs and habits?
Honestly, are people so niave to think that hijab is often deemed a forced issue? Are people all over the world not "forced" to do certain things in certain circumstances. I dont care what anyone says, each one of us is "forced" in one manner or another daily in our lives due to commitement, responsibility or just plain old expectation. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Its not only a matter of Hijab but lots of other things are included too. I personally feel anything that is forced upon is always a burden but if you are happy with it, that should not be a problem.
It doesn't matter if a woman wears hijab or not. Look into her eyes (and they aren't covered, are they?) and then you will find the answers to your unspoken questions, you fools.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzaab verse 59:
O Prophet, enjoin your wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons. It is expected that they will thus be recognized, and not molested. Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 24 Surah Nur verse 31:
(O Prophet) enjoin the believing woman to restrain their gaze and guard their modesty, and not to display their adornment except that which is displayed of itself, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to display their adornments except before their husbands, their fathers, …….and also forbid them to stamp their feet on the ground lest their hidden ornaments should be displayed.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 4 Surah Nisaa verse 103:
Indeed the ‘Salaat’ (prayers) is a prescribed (and obligagtory) duty that should be performed by the believers at (their) appointed times.
In light of the above absolutely clear guidance of the Glorious Quran, both the offering of one’s obligatory prayers and the appropriate adorning of the ‘hijaab’ when in the presence of non-mehram males, is absolutely obligatory on every adult, sane, believing woman who sincerely fears Allah and the Last Day.
The example of a believing woman who scrupulously honors the ‘hijaab’ but discards the offering of her obligatory prayer is like a soldier who is foremost in wearing the ‘uniform’ of the army, but refuses to attend the obligatory training, or the academy, or the battles of the army!!! Would the authorities of the army allow such a person to be a part of their army only because the person wears the ‘uniform’ but refuses to fulfill its mandatory obligations???
Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) said: "Avoid being naked, for with you are those who never leave you (the Angels) except when you are relieving yourselves and when a man has intercourse with his wife; so observe modesty before them and honor them."
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3115 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Umar
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Alfa Q whats this have to do with hijab?
Besides, he isnt a real man anyway if he tells tales outside the bedroom. It may just have been his excuse for being inadequate.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Would you believe that an engineer from my company chose to get another wife because his first wife was circumcised & he did not get satisfaction from her even after getting five kids.
Hijab is just another lighter form of slavery.
PM: I agree with you, it makes us understand why is there all that hate between suni and shiites in the ME.
Happy Happy: Thanks for your support :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
perhaps is authentic, its easy for all muslims to check one Volume instead of checking all Sah sitta.
Source is very imp part of Dawah, espcially on QL where most of them have Phd's in lying.
Surah Zalazala is very clear. We are searching for the statement where she says One bedouin went to Masjid al nabawi ..........
Mehek quoted hadith without any reference, its her responsibility to give us reference. Is it from Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn majah, Tirmidi or Abu Dawood ?
As I said earlier we cannot google Islam like from wikipedia or any corrupt sites. Alhumdullilah we are in Qatar we dont have to rely on dada/nani's stories
Ramshinaushad,
Well, that was his conclusion in his post. His reference to the verses is this:
"quoted just 2 verses from surah al zalzala which means "whoever has done a good to the weight of atom will see it" & "whoever has done evil for the weight of atom will see it"..."
I think you can check now.
There's nothing wrong with these verses. In fact the verses remind beleievers of reward for even smallest of good deeds they do and warn against their smallest of evil deeds being noted by God. And God has given man the ability to acquire knowledge and seperate good from evil.
"Its all about "adjusting" to the environment and respecting the local culture / views.."
Which is>>
Last two Verses...
1.'Faman Yahmal Miskaala Zarrathin khairen yara..'
Which means..
He who has performed the tiniest good deed in the world will see its reward on that day.
2.'Vaman Yahmal Miskaala Zarrathin Sharran Yara..'
Which means..
He who is guilty of evil, disbelief and disobedience, will see its reward that day. None will be in
the slightest way wronged. The only exception is if a doer of wrong is saved by intercession, if he
qualified for it. Or if a doer of a good is disqualified from receiving the reward of that good by
the weight of his evil deeds, i.e. his evil deeds annul his good ones.
In those two verses, i could not find what Mehek says..
"Do whatever you do just for Allah and that he may be pleased with us!"
These are the things where people takes advantage of..
When Allah subuhana says 'Good Deeds', they make it as 'What ever'.. This is what terrorist says.. We kill people for the sake of Allah ! People take things differently..
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Well said Happy Happy. Its ultimately the faith and fear of God in making our decisions and choosing our actions that matters. One doesn't need to worry about what others think about him as long as he believes he is on the right path.
A few days back while I was waiting outside Childrens' Emergency hospital at Al Sadd for my wife, a family Got down from a car. The woman was wearing a mini skirt but covering her head and the man was wearing a cap and counting the Tazbeeh(busy in God's rememberence), looked like a pious family...
The difference I have observed between converts and born Muslims, is that the latter were fed Islam and did not have the opportunity to think it through and meditate or struggle in search for the ultimate freedom found in the quest for the truth.
Yet, converts, I’ve met with or read about, have earned it the hard way. They're guided by their eagerness to fulfill their dire hunger and thirst to reach out for Divinity.In this process, you've defined yourself too.
By that I don’t mean all converts are better than born Muslims, but they’ve been blessed with embarking on a not-easy journey in pursuit for pleasure and content gained ultimately by being a believer who acknowledges Allah as the One, who has always been, and will always be.
Salam
Ramshinaushad,
"Well, i done ma research.. i dint come acros those statements.. And i read that whole surah.. (Surah Al Zalzalah) i din get those 2 verses also !!.."
Perhaps, you couldn't locate the right surah. Do your search again and you should find those two verses at the end. just FYI.
Leia/Brit: I agree with Brit just that still think that's up to each person to choose what to dress and that no one has nothing to do with it, even in conservative places, just like brit said, you can use if you want just that when people aren't used to it....
Leia: About Brazil, i know how they are, now imagine how it is during carnaval at Rio :)
Girls in topless dancing in the top of alegoric viatures.
Here, during summer, it's really common to see people shopping with same clothes they use at beach. Did you noticed anyone staring at those in Brazil? ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
You are correct about Brazil, but would you be able to dress the same way in the North of England or conservative parts of Utah ?
Its all about "adjusting" to the environment and respecting the local culture / views..
As the old saying goes.. "When in Rome, don't be a Christian"
"Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by Allah.'' And whoever takes Shaytan as a Wali instead of Allah, has surely suffered a manifest loss.
Chapter 4: Verse 119
I think people should analyze many things at Qatar..specially companies that bring people from all around the world..
for instance..during summer time I spend holydays at Brazil with my family, people there go shopping with bikinis and men with "sleeps" or "zungas" (I don't know how to say in english but is a very tight bathingsuit for men)and Im talking about moms, dads, children, no matter if you're fat, or skinny. or black, or pink or yellow or green!! haha. I know that for Qatar to see something like that is TOO MUCH, but my point is: if a western lady or girl dress with a "sleeveless shirt" or "capri pants" is because for us that's not "showing everything", is not like want to call everyones attention, and is not because we are bad persons or "unpure women"..I don't know if someone gets what im trying to say
Pre-conceived notions and assumptions make for these blinkered views. The thread started off about the hijab and has deteriorated as per normal..
AMOUD/Alexa: I'm with both of you on this, i wonder why some people in the East think they are better that the ones from the west, of course good and bad is everywhere but it's annoying to see such discussions.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
The only time I would ever comment to someone about their clothes in public (and thank God it hasnt happened yet) is that if they were waaay OTT and could actually see people starting to make a fuss as you can never gauge people here.
I also find here that non-arab women are the ones who are blamed for this as I never ever saw anyone say a single word to an arab woman dressed innapropriatly because I think she would tell him to F off. ____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
so inshalla i will meet the imaam and let u know exactly
and give u all the details and reference.
I am with you on that Alexa, and quite frankly Islamically people are accountable for their own actions and are the only ones who will be judged. Sometimes I do feel that people are a little insensitive to Qatar, its religion and culture but on the other hand it is true that what people do is their own business.
I wont even chalk it up to religion, hypocrites of any religion and people who just make themselves feel better by beeing so righteous are IMO far worse.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
VB: "Whatever topic starts with any instruction/s from the religion of Islam, it always ends with bashing from western cultured muslims with a new theory of 'modern Islam', which has no relevance in Islam."
Should us, western cultured muslims, take it as an ofense?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Alexa the means for surgery here are reconstructive and corrective (breast reductions, tummy tucks for big ole apron bellies etc). The discount is also in Hamad Hospital and not the private clinics which cater to nose jobs, boob jobs and such. Hamad hospital doesnt perform many procedures in comparison to private clinics as they are deemed non medical procedures. Nose jobs can be done in Hamad but again it is to correct deviated septums etc.
It really comes down to the person doesnt it. If they accept to get surgery that is on their own account. If the same logic applied to everything un-islamic in Qatar it would be a Taliban paradise but Qatar does cater to its non-muslims residents and visitors a bit and plastic surgery is no exception I guess. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
if the locals got a discount for plastic surgery! Yes, let's give a discount to the people who can already wipe their bottoms with a 500 QR note they're so filthy rich and don't know what to do with all their money!
LOL!
Already I find it amusing when people get tons of procedures done...like do they think no one will notice when their kids all have huge honking noses or something?
Hypocrisy is rampant here, in every arena, though, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised if they do get a discount for nose jobs and such.
Good point Alexa..
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UKengQatar...
Increasing in the west because its a choice,
decreasing in the Arab world, Media campaign
A person who does not speak out against the wrong is a mute devil.
at least appreciate, why I asked to stop such discussion and summaries thread at page 2.
Whatever topic starts with any instruction/s from the religion of Islam, it always ends with bashing from western cultured muslims with a new theory of 'modern Islam', which has no relevance in Islam.
It is impossible to amend any law of Sharia or make any amendments in Sunnah; while the mix of certain cultures and traditions followed by so called muslims make the whole community feels ashamed (such as female leading the prayer, fashionable and skin-tight Abayaas, Burkhas without head covers,etc, etc)
Listen to Zakir Naik's comments on Mother Teresa and Mahatma Gandhi's fate in the light of Quraan. Also check what is Fundamentalist and why followers of Islam called
fundamentalist.
There is no end to such debates, it is just thought provoking.
I could only say enhance/increase your knowledge about Islam and seek more understanding of our religion and try to follow as much as possible; no one is perfect, hence ask for Allah's mercy and imaan all the time.
Last but not least Hijab, Country or caste or traditions are not the criterias to be judged as muslim or not a muslim.
ONLY ones Imaan (faith as required by Quraan) and good deeds as desired and required by sunnah will decide ones religion and its peak of ones Imaan.
May Allah lead us to the right path and provide us hidayah to follow in its real sense....AMEEN!
UK I do agree to some extent but women are notorious for having distorted images of themselves.
Looking better by doing your best to stay fit and healthy, perhaps buying some new clothes and makeup are one thing but going under the knife to improve your self esteem just doesnt work IMO. Self Esteem is all how you perceive yourself and feeling comfortable in the skin you are in. Generally people who go under the knife to imrove self esteem have many other issues that if dealt with in a non-surgical way make more of an impact. Plastic surgery for the purpose of self esteem is dangerous.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
But Amoud, the self esteem bit.. Surely if you start looking better will make you feel better too.
Well thats what the other half says every time she is planning something....lol
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UKEng, to be honest changing the way someone looks doesnt really change the self esteem, it masks the issue. If the need for surgery is to fix some very obvious problem (and note, this is some sort of deformity) then it is permissable.
Changing the outside very rarely changes whats on this inside UK.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
lol Eco !
Well, i done ma research.. i dint come acros those statements.. And i read that whole surah.. (Surah Al Zalzalah) i din get those 2 verses also !!
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*-Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.
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go to companions to learn something, im skeptical
Just want to know who were the Companions- their names
rms start your research lol
Amoud if one has to do surgery for the betterment of ones mental health.. like she says that makes her feel better,.
Surely that should also be allowed?
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"the companion started and quoted just 2 verses from surah al zalzala which means "whoever has done a good to the weight of atom will see it" & "whoever has done evil for the weight of atom will see it".
Can u temme that 2 verses ??? Surah Al zalzalah is about Earthquake !!
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if this hadith is genuine. Give me the reference pls
Dottie, as I said, reconstructive or corrective surgery is fine, surgery for cosmetic reasons solely is a completely different thing. I dont think anyones physical health is at risk if they cant have a boob job or face lift. The line is very definative.
This can be determined as a healthy approach towards appearance. If girls are taught from a young age that Allah made them perfect just the way they are, and this is imbedded in their minds all their lives perhaps they can adapt a more positive attitude regarding their appearance, and perhaps put more value on other valuable traits?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Once a new muslim bedoiun came to the companion of Prophet Muhammaed sws in Masjid un Nabwi(prophets mosque)..He asked please teach me something about islam..the companion started and quoted just 2 verses from surah al zalzala which means "whoever has done a good to the weight of atom will see it" & "whoever has done evil for the weight of atom will see it".Enough! said the bedouin I have Understood the WHOLE ISLAM AND DEEN! and he left.Prophet Muhammad sws came and enquired what he asked and left so fast the companion said what happened..Then Prophets sws said verily!This person was brilliant!..........the last sentence was just a comment from mehek that do whatever u do(righteous and good deeds) just for allah and NOT WHATEVER YOU want:) as U understood.
meheks words "do whatever u do do for allahs sake"meant do the good deeds and righteous things just for allah that he may be pleased with u!
PEACE BE UPON YOU,please look to yhe forum to the girl with hotpants in villagio by jasminejasmine please read it and then you may understand my point
So................if 'God made us all exactly as we should be', following that logic, does that mean that heart, kidney, etc, transplants are wrong? Is kidney dialysis wrong? Where to draw the line? Surely we have to accept that things have changed in the intervening years since the Quran was written, and have to move forward and embrace new ideas?
pls give me the reference. Jazakallah
DOUBLE POST !!!
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Do whatever you do just for Allah and that he may be pleased with us!
What that means Mehek ?? When i read ur comment , i remember about those terrorist who says they kill people for the sake of Allah as Jihad !
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Alexa, this good and evil stuff is determined by Quran and Sunnah that is where people have problems understanding muslims...
it is letting someone else see your privates parts that is haram, not the waxing itself. If you can reach down to your OWN nether regions and rip the hair out by yourself, no worries!
Once a new muslim bedoiun came to the companion of Prophet Muhammaed sws in Masjid un Nabwi(prophets mosque)..He asked please teach me something about islam..the companion started and quoted just 2 verses from surah al zalzala which means "whoever has done a good to the weight of atom will see it" & "whoever has done evil for the weight of atom will see it".Enough! said the bedouin I have Understood the WHOLE ISLAM AND DEEN! and he left.Prophet Muhammad sws came and enquired what he asked and left so fast the companion said what happened..Then Prophets sws said verily!This person was very brilliant!Do whatever you do just for Allah and that he may be pleased with us!
Lol, you would think so wouldnt you Gyspy? How about delivering a baby? This happens mostly in Saudi with the older chickies.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Im still left wondering as some muslims are saying:
1) unless your covered correctly then you are in the wrong,
2)others are saying you can wear haloween paint, F**K me shoes, gold chains etc as long as you wearing hijab you are still respecting islam (when compared to a westerner in say a strappy top)
3)Others are saying its the person inside (this conversation has been held just as many times for christian people who like to be "seen" at church make big donations etc but are horrible people inside.
Isn't it a little dangerous to have your doctor give you a Pap smear using a mirror? :S
You hit the nail on the head ummjake... it isnt permitted and the rulings and hadiths on this are not weak.
You can expose your bits is neccesary (like when you go to the Dr. and then some women even insist that they use a mirror to look down under) but a Brazilian wax doesnt fall into that category, unless perhaps you are too pudgy to actually reach it yourself.
Plastic surgery is not permitted either, unless it is reconstructive or corrective. There is a little debate on if it is OK to have surgery to put things back where they once were (tummy tuck, breast lifts) but a majority have agreed that this is a natural process intended by Allah as we age.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Waxing is haram!?!??! have the Muslim women here been informed of this? I think this might be news to them.
Yeas.. i repeat Amoud "some cosmetic dentistry are forbidden in Islam as it alters the creation (God made us all exactly as we should be). "
*Amoud- Sorry for taking ur words.. :)
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...if plastic surgery and plucking your eyebrows (not to mention getting one's va-jay-jay waxed by some beautician in a salon) are 'haram', then the VAST majority of Khaleeji women are sinning! LOL!
Seriously, though -- I have heard the eyebrow thing before here from a local friend. But is there an Islamic ruling on plastic surgery?
Plastic surgery to alter ones looks, as well as some cosmetic dentistry are forbidden in Islam as it alters the creation (God made us all exactly as we should be).
Plucking the eyebrows to change the shape is also prohibited.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
There is instances where a womans face is awrah, but she has to be exceptionally beautiful. To deem a womans face as awrah she needs to seek the advice.
Again, I dont deem the face as awrah for if it were it would have to be covered during prayer, which is not permissable.
I commend those who choose to cover their faces for Allah and may they be rewarded but in no way do I feel it mandatory and it is classified as Sunna.
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Awrah means the portion where we have to cover..
For men, It is the portion between Navel and Knees..
For women,
While praying.., woman should cover her entire body except the face and the hands.
*On diff situation, womens awrah differs like while praying, when standing in front of a relative or non relative etc..
If i explain all these, it will start an other debate with some people who use their logics instead of Quran.
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So Eco is saying that Sheikha Mozah's face should be covered...I'd like to see her tell her that.
Awrah is the part of a woman that should be covered Gypsy. In public, a muslim womans awrah is everything but her hands and face. Amoung her Muharram (men of close relation), family and other woman it is from the knee to navel although baring everything above for no apparent reason is not permissable either as with most societies ladies dont sit around in jeans with no tops on.
Mens awrah is also knee to navel.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
What does Awrah mean?
Eco, can you please tell me how her face is awrah? She is not traffic stopping beautiful, and you cannot say her face is awrah by your opinion.
Hands and face are not awrah, if the face were it would be compulsary to cover it in prayer and hajj.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
When it comes to Islam, we follow our Prophet (pbuh) not Kings or Queens.
Sheikha Mozah is not my ideal sorry to say that, she is exceptionally beautiful and her face is awrah
Com'n CHILL !!!!
look at ur post..
To all the people who are saying a good muslim woman shouldn't show even ONE hair on her head.............can I ask what you think about Sheikha Mozza, who frequently shows the front of her hair. Or Queen Rania of Jordan, who often has her bead uncovered and wears western clothes
U itself told that Sheikha Mossa is a good muslim ! What u kno about her ? How can u judge her ?? Who are U to judge her ??
Surely the whole point is this - it's what's in your heart and soul that matters. whether you cover or not is not the essence of what makes you a good human being (let's take religion out of this).
Covering hair may makes u a bad human being.. but not for Muslims !!
And y should we take out the religion here ?? I guess sister, u didnt read the topic.. HIJAB - A burden to Muslim womens ? It clearly meantions MUSLIM
So it clearly means that u cant convince any one of them using religion !! SO u turn to ur logic ! And wat ur logic says is utter nonsense !
yea, Being a western women u wear modern dress, that may be modest for u.. Indian womens wear saree's showing theiry belly, that may not be modest for u..
If u sponsor a nepali or a bengali or wateve, and u commit sin, ofcourse u ll be put in hell !!
U heard the story of Abu Thalib ? He was the person who helped the prophet SAW in all ways.. He was a very good man.. But at the time of death also, he did not accept Islam.. At the time Allah Subuhana says to prohpet.. "U can only show them the right path, Its them who have to chose it.. "
After everything.. u ll be judge by only 1 person !
Insha Allah.. on the day of judgement, u ll regret for wat u said now !
Yes, as u said if u are not a good scholar, STUDY wat is Islam !!
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Liberal, moderate and conservative.
I know there are two words almutaqqin and munafeeq
Mutaqqin: They are the believers who avoid Shirk with Allah and who work in His obedience.'' Ibn `Abbas also said that Al-Muttaqin means, "Those who fear Allah's punishment, which would result if they abandoned the true guidance that they recognize and know. They also hope in Allah's mercy by believing in what He revealed.''
Munafeeq -hypocrite
Thirteen verses (in the beginning of Surah al-Baqarah) describe the hypocrites due to their abundance, the many trials they cause & the intense fitnah they cause to Islam & its adherents." (the biggest enemy is within)
ramshinaushad - I'm just interested to hear how some people will justify this. They are very quick to condemn women for showing hair, will they be as quick to put their neck on the chopping block and condemn sheika Mozza and other highly prominent, powerful and influential women?? Maybe not.
Surely the whole point is this - it's what's in your heart and soul that matters. whether you cover or not is not the essence of what makes you a good human being (let's take religion out of this). Christian, Jew, Muslim, whatever - it's how you behave and treat your fellow man that makes you a good person, not how you dress.
I'm a western woman who wears western clothes, which (judging by the tone of this thread) some people here would find offensive and take objection to. However, I dontate money to several different charities every month, I sponsor a family in Nepal, Honduras and Ecuador BECAUSE I WANT TO. Not because I have to, but because it makes me feel good to know that I'm helping other people have a better life. The clothes I wear have got nothing to do with how I behave. We are all 'victims of upbringing'. As the Jesuit priests say 'Give me a boy till he's seven years old, and I'll show you the man'. It's all a question of upbringing. Had I been born here in Doha, to a Qatari family, then of course I would feel differently. Had I been born in India to a Hindu family, then differently again. And so on and so on.
Treat others with respect and don't be so quick to judge and condemn on looks alone.
Eco, I'm not an islamic scholar (obviously!) but I question your assumption that if we show our hair we are perverted and should go to our caves. I guess Sheikha Mozza will be hiding in her cave right now, scared by your righteous indignation.........NOT!!!!!
Thus far in the discussion, I think none has been able to influence the way other thinks as I see everyone just defends his/her stand. Hence it should be understood that peopple, atleast the learned lot, are confident enough of what they practice and prepared to face the Almighty on the day of judgement. In my opinion there are no fundamental,extremeist or modern muslims. There are only two types of muslims; those who understand this life better and those who understand the life hereafter better. The latter being stubborn to restrict God's wisdom to Quran and sunnah cann't look at the things beyond just what's in the book while the former lot believes that God's wisdom is infinite which makes it impossible for humans to predict His specific actions(judgement).
The discussion, nevertheless, has contributed to those who want to know the real meaning of Hijab, i believe.
God bless all.
So r u saying that we have to follow wat sheikha mosa and queen rania does ? or all the things wat they do is correct ? They are also just human's like us.. Follow the path of Quran and sunnah !!
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What can I say.. I have prayed regularly five times a day since I was a very young teenager..Before that I used to pray only on jummas. But once i got hidayat from Allah, I started to pray regularly.. I have never missed out a single fast of ramadan since I was 10 years old. I give zakat and have done 3 umrahs in my life and plan to do hajj too inshAllah soon. I respect my parents and my elders.. I treat others very well and fear Allah in everything.. I don't hurt anyone's sentiments. But I don't do hijaab.. I cover my entire body but not my hair.. Does that make me a bad Muslim or a non-Muslim? Because my boss thinks that it does and he kept on telling me to wear hijaab or else I will go to hell...So now I have started to wear hijaab but only at work...I want people to shut up and stop harassing me that is why I did it.. I want peace of mind..
Simple answer.
Those who use to expose their covering parts, will be punished By ALLAH on the day of judgment.
To all the people who are saying a good muslim woman shouldn't show even ONE hair on her head.............can I ask what you think about Sheikha Mozza, who frequently shows the front of her hair. Or Queen Rania of Jordan, who often has her bead uncovered and wears western clothes?? I'm very interested to hear your responses...........
Quran's Verses, those who deny hadith are into kufr.
He who obeys the messenger has indeed obeyed Allah
Chapter 4:80
And let those who oppose the messenger's commandment beware, lest some discord befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them Chapter 24: 63
Allah has ordered us to obey our messenger
While I choose to wear hijab I definately dont think it defines a womans islam.
A woman who prays 5 times a day, believes that there is one God and Mohammed (PBUH) is his messenger, pays her due Zakat, performs hajj and fasts in Ramadan but who does not wear hijab is munafeeq compared to a woman who covers, prays intermitandly, doesnt make up their fasting days etc is a better muslimah? Hog wash.
As I said, when I see such women who are not covered I know they have strong deen and wish that someday perhaps they can embrace their hijab but I would not have them abandon any of the 5 pillars to do so.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Eco, I am very happy that you can judge the posters of this site as being kufir. Can you also perhaps atone for my sins and the sins of others on the day of judgement? You are aware that speaking ill of people, especially decent muslims will make you atone for your own sin and the sin of those in which you scorn?
It makes me quite happy then that you can make such assumptions. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Allah guides whoever he wills, Two of my bro in laws are revert they got guidance from reading/understanding Quran, they didnt come to Islam because of Muslims.
I am always ready to drive all munafeeqs back to their fold.
Eco, I am a covered muslimah but on the other hand I cannot judge someones deen based on hijab and quite frankly it is indeed none of my business to do so. I know a lot of excellent Muslimahs who do not cover their hair. In my heart I pray that they will see the beauty of the hijab and once day embrace it as they have embraced their salat, their alms and their overall deen.
Now I will be frank, I would rather see a modestly dressed muslimah, praying 5 times a day than have her adorn the hijab for the wrong reasons and feel her Islam is restricting her etc and for her to loose her way.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Amoud, I am sorry I think you took my previous post personally, but it wasn't directed at you, I was just using the word "modern" from your text :) I have never claimed to be better than others, yes but I have judged ppl form what tehy had to say about islam. I myself just recently put on a Hijab, but I never felt right when I wasnt wearing one. I knew wearing Hijab was the right thing too do but I didnt have the guts to do it. While at hajj I asked for Allah's forgivness and guidance and making my faith stronger so I could do the right things, and let me just say I am still by far not the perfect muslim, but I am trying.
btw i can't beleive the hypocracy here, if you want to say or judge a ppl, its considered expressing an opinion and as soon as the other express their opinion, its called driving ppl away from islam, very funny!!!
its ok, they have to do it for the sake of Allah not to please others. I was wearing shawl just to please my father, when I got married I discarded it. When I did my first umrah, while doing tawaf I said: Oh Allah pls let me perm my hair after that I will sincerely cover my hair, isnt that silly dua. Alhumdullilah I am guided forever
Those who are denying Quran's verses, rejecting hadith are into Kufr. This entire thread is full of kufr
Well, if TALIBAN had an official site, this link should have been sent to them indeed.
Islam doesn't impose forcefully but it guides Muslims or human beings that if they follow QURAN they will be prosperous in both lives and if not they will suffer both in this WORLD & othre world after judgement day.
As far HIJAB is concerned, ISLAM asks women for modesty so as every country has its own culture and clothing styles so Muslim women must hide their body accordingly.
Sorry to say that HIJAB in Arab World has become Sex Symbol or Fashion Symbol.There real usage has been forgotten by the Arabs. I do see such young ladies wearing HIJAB and they look very attractive from Head to Toe. This is not HIJAB or PARDHA as men are now more attracted to such ATTRACTIVE and body fitted HIJABS.
Omershah: I'm not a woman but i am a new convert, and i can assure you that when the Judgement day comes you'll be judged as severly as you are judging others now.
PM/Angr/Amoud: I fully agree with your last statements, some folks that call themselves "true muslims" are the ones who give a bad image on Islam.
Amoud: That lady you refer, maybe she was censoring you to look good under other folks eyes but inside she knew how you fealt and with her situation she didn't wanted the other folks at school would suspect that she wasn't being "too islamic" when she was dating the guy, at same time it is a lesson to show that love doesn't know any barriers. Wishing that they will be happy :) May Allah bless their love :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
its a severe matter and i dn at all understand that many of todayz women and girlz who are muslim says that islam give them freedom......
and it is so that you are free... you are free to do anything exept to show your body parts...... going in malls with tight jeans and now there wear fitted abayas... and then they say that we have weared closed covered our bodies... but they knw that its is also restricted to wear clothes which show the measurements of bodies not even for women but also for men... still they say why only women are ristricted in islam and blame men and ulamas who stop thm...
but they dont think at it that who is stoping them from freedom? no one!!! just they are stopped by showing of thier bodies and it is in QURAN... a women shud not show even a single strip of their hairs to strangers.. and it cant be denied...
so I humbly request these stupid ladies that if u dont understand and follow the orders of ALLAH so u shud leave Islam and dont destroy ISLAM'S respect....
I also agree with you on this PM and Eng.... As a revert I had a few muslim women tell me that I am 'better" than they are because I cover but this just isnt the case. I know an uncovered Muslimah who never misses a prayer, goes on Ummrah almost yearly and truely respects herself and everyone else around her. How can one say that just because she isnt covered she is not a true muslim?
I also know women who cover from hear to toe and by no means are they good muslims. I dont want to take any of their sins by speaking ill of them but one of my old Dawah teachers from one of the Islamic centers got pregnant out of wedlock by a Christian man. This lady actually scolded me for holding my fiances hand in public.
I guess as the saying goes.... you cant always judge a book by its cover.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Engr: I agree with you just wanna point out that the reason why France took the measures they did was to split social, and politic from any specified religion so that no one could be descriminated based on their religion, and as it was stated here it's the women who must decide if they'll use Hijjab or not.
bstmom: So, on other words, there is no free will in Islam, afterall it's what you are saying, if you truelly belive that Allah gave us free will, than you wouldn't be judging others. I reconverted and one of the things that was told me by the Iman was that Allah encourages His followers to question and racionalize about matters that they may disagree and when the time comes belivers will have to prove to him the rightous of each one actions.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
The term modern is used for the up and coming generation, which have seemed to stray from their deen. The fundamentals of Islam are the grounds for the religion and are not up for debate.
Unfortunatly the interpretations of Islam are what deem it as moderate, fundamentalist etc. and there are conflicting views from the Mezhabs regarding various issues (i.e covering the face). Some scholars will tell you that TV is haram, some will tell you that it is not the TV but the programs etc. A person who may deem television completely haram will be classified as a fundamentalist whereas one who will say childrens television, documentaries etc are ok but western movies etc are not is moderate.... I dont think I have to go further bstmom I think you already get the jist.
There are indeed varying degrees of religious zeal, but no one will ever know the intention or what is truely in the heart. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Again, faith based issues are best discussed by scholars and theologians belonging to the particular faith. There is no compulsion in religion and shame on governments which ban Hijab and make a political case out of it such as Tunisia, France etc.
Also it is silly and pointless to try to cite text from Islamic sources to convince non-Muslims that Hijab is good. Hijab is not a "logica" issue that can be proven as a Mathematical equation. Why do some christian churches turn Sunday Services to a Dance Party? Why do Jews (religious ones) eat Kosher? Why do Hindus not eat Beef???? Why this and why that?
This is silly and pointless.
If you are devout and traditional/conservative Muslim then Hijab has been practiced for 1500 years and there is no point denying it.
If you are a "liberal" Muslim who is a modernist and not that conservative then you don't wear it.
Again, freedom of religion as well as freedom of non-religion including atheism should be guaranteed by a true FREE and OPEN society.
Finally, nobody should appoint him/herself as a Spokesman for Heaven! God can speak for Himself and HE will judge each on his own terms and time. Needless to say those who do not believe He exists will disagree with my last point.
Islam is a very flexible religion given that we don't cross the boundries set for us by Allah, Amoud by no mean am I picking on you:) but seriously I hate when the trem moderate, extremist or modern is used with muslim. If we just follow the Islam as it is given to us, wouldn't that just make us muslims??? those terms comes in use when we muslims start using our so called brains more than we need too. As amoud said everything is supported by quran and haidths, and somehwere fatwas are used and thats where i think we mostly find the diffrences, but those diffrences don't bring us to eachother's throats. but some muslims still find that translation of their modern islam is better and insist that they be heared and rest just shut and listen, well that aint about to happen.
Showing your Hair is Haram. Debate with me ONLY IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED in Islamic studies else go to your caves.
We do not want your perverted ideas.
Pyjamas or tracks suits underneath?
When you dress up for office or any occasion you have to dress properly. I want be wearing my jeans to office and cover it with Abaya. 4 days a week we have to be in formals on 5th day we try to wear casual.
I am in Doha since 70s I havent met any asian who is wearing pyjamas underneath. Most of the ladies wear Jalbiyas,Tanuras and Jalabiyas are graceful.
Muslims housewives are dressed like brides everyday, when I visit them after work for coffee or collect my books, I find them all dolled up. Even in masjids they are decorated like cows (with bangles,jingles all the way)
So who are these pyjama clad ladies which I havent come across?
A woman not wearing hijab does not make her a non Muslim. However it is an act of disobedience (as defined by the scholars of Islam in light of the Quran and the sunnah of the prophet) and if Allah wills He will forgive it and if He wills He will hold that person to account.
Ibrahim Fletcher
The point that bstmom is trying to make is that you cannot questions some things in Islam as there is hadiths to support the rulings and all things in Islam are explained as to why they should be done. What isnt clear, fatwas are issued. Some things, as with all religion are not up for debate nor do they have many interpretations.
PM is pointing out that modern muslims may perhaps be rejecting their religion because of fundamental views and the aspect that some things are not flexible. PM is correct that we will all be judged by Allah and we must also remember that our intentions in Islam are the most important (if you are not committing Haram), this is what makes Islam such a forgiving religion. I wish this was emphasized more.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
personally, I believe that it is the questioning that makes one's faith stronger. If you never question something, then you blindly accept it without thinking about it. That just makes you a brainless sheep following the herd, like a lemming jumping off a cliff.
I think that God -- the God I believe in, at least -- would much prefer to have people follow him because they have done the hard mental work and asked the difficult questions, and decided that His way is the one that makes the most sense to them, rather than having a bunch of people following him because they were told to!
how can one be a beleiver while questioning his or her faith??? Allah knows best!!!
I am truly sorry your friend went through that experience and there is no way on earth that I would ever cover unless I was in a country that demanded it from Westerners.
I am sure your friends self esteem did go out of the window. I felt the same when I had my kids and I did not have the energy to 'do myself up'. It was enough that i got out of the door.
But I had to cover when I lived in Saudi, I was there for only 5 years and for all the reasons I posted above, it did not bother me once, It was great.
I was confident enough to know that should I need to put on my glag rags and make up, I could do so. Perhaps in some ways your friend had different issues.
that covering up in hijab would undoubtedly feel liberating, I'll share with you the experience of one girlfriend who converted (and covered) and married a local here.
Initially, she, too, felt the way you described: how great, I can roll out of bed in my pajamas and just throw my abaya on over top and it'll be great. Won't worry about hair or anything. But after a few years of this, both she and I noticed that her self-esteen had slowly started to wither...it was as if this black abaya had swallowed her up and sucked away all of her personal sense of style. She still loved looking at fashions, etc. but she'd always think "what's the use?".
She still covers, and though her self-esteem has improved, she struggles with wearing abaya and not being able to express herself as fully as she once did with her personal sense of style/fashion.
So be careful what you wish for, habibti!
Justmoi: Ofc :) "Only God/Allah can judge us" :)
Should be going out 4 the night, friday is party time :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
For me, if a woman wants to cover for her; no problem. None of my business.
If however, there is no need for a woman to 'cover' and she is forced too, well then I have a problem with it.
But again, is that my problem?
None of us can really change what happens, so why don't we just let it be?
uk import: while a post is being constructive, than why should it be stopped? btw, i remember a post with 9 pages :)
Justmoi: Of course, as i stated on another post, most European muslims don't make it an issue, and even in Morocco, i only saw old ladies fully covered and not that many, youngsters only cover their hair and Morocco is an Islamic country
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
So simple yet this thread is goin on for ever and ever..............................................................
I agree. Where I come from in England there are lots of Saudi ladies who do not wear the Hijab but do 'cover'. It is not a problem at all. They are wearing it I hope, because they want to.
Most Penguins (Nuns) have the option not to wear the scary stuff they used to wear.
Can understand most of what has been put. However, what I do not get is this. A Hijab covers all does it not? So why would any woman be then worried about what she wears undernesth it? Nobody is going to see it.
If I had to wear one, I would be such a slob, it would be great, I would not have to do my hair, make up, I could even wear my PJ's under it. I think the idea of it is great.
However, back to the point does it hinder women? It only hinders women if they are FORCED to do so if there is NO reason for them wearing it.
Thats my view.
Oh by the way bst...good for you :-)
Thanks brother salax, my fiancee will be also teaching me :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Thanks brother salax, now i need to leurn arabic :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
bstmomeva01: I don't bash Islam, just that i'm being racional, and in The cow chapter There's a reference to being racional.
"(2:111) "Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful."
If you believe it, prove it." - Qur'an
Please do note that this asks us to be racional and not to say that if it isn't in Al Qu'ran than it doesn't exist.
I'm not in position to say that PM is a good or bad muslim, but someone that instead of racionalize, like PM does, prefers to take the paper of judge in His name, than, that person is really commiting one of the worst sins there can be, trying to show him/herself to be as rightous as Allah.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
PM not every muslim is a "beliver" and frankly speaking from reading all that ou have to say about Islam here, I don't consider you "Practising" as you bash Islam when ever you get a chance and if you don't get a chance you create one, but Allah knows best. This is all I have to say to you and I don't wish to waste anymore time with you.
Platao, you are a confused case, you bash Islam and mock it so openly,yet you want to convert to marry a girl, so by converting to Islam to marry a chich does not make you a beleiver, but Allah knows best. I really hope that you seek the truth and accept Islam for what it is.
btw I am not being insensetive to anyone its just called tit for tat.
bstmomeva: You can call me Ayman, i'll be changing my nick when i find out how ( i mean my QL nick ) :)
As a new convert, i shall inform you that what confuses non-muslims in the West and even most muslims that live in this side of the world is how different it is the tolerance that middle east muslims (don't) have towards the so called non belivers.
PM: Thanks a lot for the support and the clarification regarding the religion to be used to control it's belivers life, yes, Judaism, Christianism and even Buddism also set how should be social life.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Platao, there is no problem with islam, problem is with with its many interpretations. Islam is not just a religion, it also is a gudiance for us to live our life in a certain manner, and sure enough that includes our social life. Many non-belivers like yourself seems to have a problem with that, but beleive us, (following muslims) we are completly happy with that.
OOOO: I was refering to crimes that aren't under mortal jurisdistion. The main problem with Islam is that religion is mixed up with social LIFE
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
TrueFriend - do you have any opinions of your own, or do you simply sit with the Quran in your hands all day and look for appropriate quotes to post on QL????
Think for yourself for a change.
I think Platao36 refers to judgement of what is within the heart, not a specific action. Off course if someone steals or commits a wrongful act and there are witnesses to prove that, then the judgement has already been made by the guilty party's action.
just a clarification...
u said we, human beings are no one to judge others..
So, what about a JUDGE in a court ?? He judge a person with proof.. so is that prohibited in islam ?? so all the judge's are kuffar ??
'I heard a story of prophet SAW (PBUH) that a guy has stolen muhammed's (PBUH) sord(I'm not sure it is sord)
from a battle feild .. The case was reported to the court . And Muhammed SAW presented his maid as witnes. But the judge(He was muslim) replied Muhammed could not convince the judge so the sord belongs to the other guy.. At the same moment the theif reverted to Islam saying how truthful is Islam even though Muhammed is ur prophet, u judge with proof..'
So how he judged that person in front of prophet ??
Allah subuhana gave us brain to think (NOt to all). SO we can understand which is right and wrong..
After all Allah knows the best..
Amoud: No prob, i understand, just feal annoyed whenever someone judges others like if that person would be 100% right.
Eco: Sorry, didn't meant to sound that rude, please, try not to judge others, if you agree you say why you agree, if you don't you say why not, but don't see yourself as an example, Allah is in your heart, he loves you and all humans, let it be Him to punish/reward guiltys and innocents. Allah akhbar (hope to have written correctly :) )
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Platao, I think the point Eco is trying to get across is that in Islam some things are not up for debate or opinion as there are some fundamental rules.... take it easy on Eco, and Eco, calm down a bit your point will be heard much better with words of encouragement and as a good muslim, is it not true that even if someone does wrong to you there is no need to feel angry as there is indeed supreme justice so take it easy. No need for any of us to use harsh words, myself included... apologies if I hit a nerve with anyone. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Eco: Who are you to tell anyone what's right or what's wrong? Are you Allah? If you are, than it's ok, if not don't judge others.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Eco,
what are you spreading? "Huh"?
You are welcome, anyway, I am learning.
Bottom line is that Hijab is what is within the heart and not always what is shown on the outside. The westerners who judge "hijabis" for covering and suggesting that they are oppressed are just as bad as the "hijabis" scorning westerners for wearing shorts and tight tops.
At the end of the day, any woman wants to look and feel beautiful no matter what religion, culture or origin. Each and everyone of these women will express their beauty in a way they see fit. If a westerner wears shorts thinking that her legs will attract male attention then that is islamically unnacceptable, but muslim society must remember that these westerners are not muslims and so they dont follow the same beliefs. However, as you say Amoud, some westerners wear shorts and tight tops because they feel comfortable in them.
In the same way, some muslim women cover and wear excessive make-up, skinny jeans with the hijab/abaya. Some will do it to attract male attention and some will do it because they just want to feel beautiful. As they are muslims, they will know what is in the heart and what they will be judged on, so let none judge them, even though their intention may appear to be "obvious". No man will ever know what is in another mans heart.
"Actions are but by intention, and every man/woman shall have that which he intended" - Hadith.
Part time believers are half Hindus, half Christians, half jews.
Why I am here is none of YOUR Business, but to spread correct deen is my business
Eco, i think this is not the place for the full time believers. Then what are you doing here folk?
are called "batoolahs" and they are a uniquely Gulf habit among older women. Originally from Iran, I think...you won't see many/any younger chicks wearing them.
Many older ladies don't even take them off at home among their family members. They are hand-made out of fabric, and I always used to think they made the women look like falcons!
"I also have issue with gals in skin tight jeans and T shirts, a tonne of makeup etc wearing hijab and scorning western women for doing pretty much the same thing."
Amoud, those who live in glass house don't throw stones at others, right? Then, why do you think the so called tight and flashy stuff covering women(of glass house) scorn(stone) westerners. Do you know anyone doing here personally? If it is your advise to covering women to wear modestly then its ok but charging them without evidence is not...
huh
Sag, perhaps it is how you have written it
"If it is your advise to covering women to wear modestly then its ok but charging them is not..."
And as I said, read my other posts, I am not going through it all again.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
I think amoud you misunderstood my post read it again.
Sag, I am covered and have friends who dress in tight clothes and scorn western women which is what I deplore. I am surely not charging them sag if you could comprehend anything I have written in this thread.
Gees, it should be "dont throw stones unless you know what you are talking about". Why dont you at least read the posts before jumping on me, and perhaps understand the concept before offering advice?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Ur quote is correct..
But, read the topic.. itz about 'HIJAB' not 'MARRIAGE'..
and ye, instead of posting Hadith's and Quran verses in all the posts, try speaking urself (i mean ur view points) and state that with those hadiths..
Hope u got me..
rms..!!
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.27 Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet (saws) said, "A woman is married for four things, i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should marry the religious woman, (otherwise) you will be a loser."
Help people, the Allah ( God) will help you
Well the very purpose of a nun's habit is to identify them as charity givers, that's why it would make them seem so approachable.
It is interesting as someone mentioned about the difference between the perceptions of a Nun wearing a "habit" ie long clothes and head scarf and of a Muslim lady.
As a man to me a nun feels approachable, but with a muslim lady as a man you are not supposed to talk to them anyway and the black is very intimidating. I find the white abayas and head scarfes much less intimidating.
Can someone explain to me the gold/metal looking eye shield things.
Again with the slavery issue.... not even close Alfa.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
but I consider forcing hijab, burka etc are kind of slavery
Sag, abaya is part of hijab. Hijab is just not a hair covering, it is an entire manner adopted by muslim women. Flashy anything is not part of hijab.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Engr, wouldn't men go mad if they removed their Hijab?
The discussion is about Hijab here not tight flashy abayas. Wearing such abayas is some women's choice much similar to of those who don't want to wear hijab. The fearful definitely cover themselves modestly. Tight and flashy abayas are just driven by tradition not faith.
Eng... I am not sure I wouild label it as only Qatari women, or GCC national women. It is not just the flashy abaya, I also have issue with gals in skin tight jeans and T shirts, a tonne of makeup etc wearing hijab and scorning western women for doing pretty much the same thing.
Bottom line, a western woman in a tank top and shorts doesnt look like she is trying to attract attention, she is just wearing what makes her comfortable. A covered woman with all the getup is trying to attract attention. I dont think when it is obvious of your intention you should be condeming others. Most women who wear proper hijab dont often say much about how non-muslim women are dressed but do indeed take offense to the improper hijabis.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
The Qatari women with so-called Hijab and tight flashy Abays are more attacting to hungry men eyes than women in shorts in Disneyland!
Hypocracy is Supermo here in Qatar throughout the whole damn social spectrum
I must agree with PM, i think this subject is something that is being discussed in a civilized and racional way, so, there's no need to close it.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Absolutely MEANINGLESS thread is given for nothing..STOP IT..
did you really count how many hijabies are there in Qatar??, lol wow what a great counter you are.. okay well answering your question , it's not a burden at all. I'm so proud i'm wearing it!
Your face is the mirror of everything!
threads are always remain open for debate...
The author of the thread should summaries it and conclude with strong points.
Let me try to make an attempt that...
1) Hijab is not at all a burden for muslim women But an open choice to cover herself in an acceptable behaviour in the muslim society.
2) In GCC it is a tradition with fashion, which is more than a religion's call.
3) Hijab is a personal /individual's choice for a woman; even ladies (QL)are very clear and matured, to understand that men are also interested, which is covered or hidden and Men are least bothered, which are open, over exposed and slutty.
4) The above comments also made it clear that nationality or religion has very less role to play in wearing hijab.
5) Modest clothing with or without Hijab is the Key for any civilised society.
Update if I missed any important message....Thanks
Crazyalba: Thanks for the enlightment :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Page is OK now.. :)
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yeah, whats wrong with this page?
I have worn the hijab for over 25 years of my life. I chose to remove it a couple of years ago. I was brought up in the UK.
The reason why many women wear it in the UK is because of 2 things:
1. Forced to by their parents.
2. Out of choice.
The parents who force their kids to wear the hijab in the UK have come from muslim countries and when entering the west, they feared they would lost their Iman (faith) due to western cultures and felt the hijab, amongst other things was necessary to keep strong in their faith.
Those who do it out of choice are not just reverts, there are many asian and arab muslim girls who attend islamic study circles and the more they learn about the religion, the more they feel compound to cover up.
The word hijab is not just about dress. Its about the modesty of the women inside and out. It comes across as oppressive, but it is also there to protect.
Growing up, I wore the hijab because my parents wanted me to wear the hijab. I then began going to islamic study circles and understood why I was wearing it. As I grew up, I stopped going to these study circles and became more involved in my career. I felt the hijab was a hindrance. I work in the construction industry which was heavily male populated. I found that they didnt know how to react to me.
I decided to remove the hijab and when I did, I noticed my employers were giving me a lot more responsibility and sent me to meet clients on my own which hadn't happened previously. My employers were not racist and I never felt that they treated me differently, but I believe they understood that their clients felt uncomfortable around the hijab. The hijab makes any society think about how they talk or react to a woman wearing this dress (whether it be western dress with a headscarf, or the abaya). Men especially offer more respect, they mind their language and most would definitely not ask the "hijabi" out if he barely knew her.
As I have experienced reactions wearing the hijab and not wearing the hijab I can honestly say that men treat women differently depending on their dress. Men approached me a lot easier when I removed the hijab. They found it easier to "chat me up" and talk at ease. Sometimes this a hindrance (when they would chat me up) and sometimes it worked in my favour (for career purposes).
I have heard many opinions about whether the hijab is compulsory in Islam or not. Its a grey area in my opinion, but as with anything in Islam, it is your choice. To not wear the hijab is not as "haram" as eating pork. Yet at the same time, hijab is not only about appearances, but it is what is within as well.
what's wrong with this page?
Of course marriage will work. Because married men NEVER look at women. :P
ok guys... Thanks for ur comments..If it continuous, the topic will get diverted and this debate wont get over..
Thanks again..
Victor Bhatt said Self control may help... ...
its nature's call, get married at the right age, be pious and content, lower the gaze, close all the doors which leads towards sin and then pray to God for leading towards the right path.....
I like it.. Only if it was in my control.. I would have been married at the right age but alas it is in God's hand.. One can't change one's destiny.
Avoid who looking at me? The Qatari guy? He did look at me but he was with his friend and his family and a friend of the family so because of that personal attachment I was treated with respect.
"and what you did to avoid him looking at you Gypsy?"
That question is out of topic .. and y u wanna peep in their personal matters ?
rms..!!
and what you did to avoid him looking at you Gypsy?
Sag my boyfriend didn't look at ANY of them, thank you very much (unless I pointed them out :P). And the Qatari guy did look at everything, just harder and longer at the girls in niqab.
Sag, she was referring to their Qatari companion, not her BF.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Gypsy, I think you are contradicting. You said your boy friend didnt look at the cleavage of some girls while he chased the others. Why so if men look at everything?
No it has to do with the appeal.
Or I suppose you could just tear your eyes out. Bout the same thing.
Lol, Gypsy.... a plastic garbage bag :)
A palestinain friend of mine actually told me one that if you put lipstick on a cow here in Qatar the men will chase it.
Doesnt say much for the XY chromosomes here does it.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
its nature's call, get married at the right age, be pious and content, lower the gaze, close all the doors which leads towards sin and then pray to God for leading towards the right path.....
Yup, and there's NOTHING you can do to stop it.
It is natural opposite sex attraction...(Men are weak!)
unfortunately, the accurate awareness factor is missing is most countries ... on the proper definition and way of 'hijab' !
Men are interested in women. Whether they walk around stark naked, wearing a plastic garbage bag or a bloody suit of armor.
but when I don the abaya and cover my hair and go out to the malls.. hundreds of men follow me around,
HUNDREDS ?? Are u the only one lady in that mall ?? :)
rms..!!
I think this because in the west they start practise freedom in thinking and not be deceived that hijab is something shameful
When I dress up in my national dress shalwar kameez or sarees or even in western attire like jeans with a long top or long skirts and blouse with my hair open and flying away.. I do not get any attentino.. No one follows me or gives me their numbers but when I don the abaya and cover my hair and go out to the malls.. hundreds of men follow me around, say some sort of comments in arabic, say their cell numbers aloud and one guy even sent me his name and number with the waiter in the coffee shop.. I wonder why?
Indeed the world is becoming a village n power is to those who hold respect and a lack of ignorance...I am christian,n I do respect the Muslim culture coming frm a country that accomodates Islam as well..back home nobody cares how we dress even the muslims..coz we arent bound by the bible to hide ourselves..but i find it quite disturbing when i wear jeans...and all these people look at you like your naked...when a Filipino wears the same..no eyes on them but a sister of color(black) wears them its like we should be stoned for it..I did not choose to have a back side...it was given to me for free..no apologies!
I was trying to get attention? Why?
Gypsy said:
I was having dinner with my boyfriends parents and their Qatari friend the other day, and at least 10 Western and Filipina girls walked past wearing "revealing clothes" (ie tight jeans and shirts showing a bit of cleavage)
Probably Gypsy was trying real hard in gaining attention. Who knows? Maybe she was dress up like those Asians or even worse since she is a westerner.
lol Gypsy .. beauty is unseen.
Do respect those who have choosen to ware it, but it should be by choice.
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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.
did u count how many numbers actually looked at the western/filipina girls...
and how many otherz looked at the covered onez ???
you wud have known the whole purpose !!!!
I was having dinner with my boyfriends parents and their Qatari friend the other day, and at least 10 Western and Filipina girls walked past wearing "revealing clothes" (ie tight jeans and shirts showing a bit of cleavage) and he gave them no more then a glance but when a group of niqab clad women went by he stared after them and started saying that he LOVED women like that because he knows how sexy they are underneath. I couldn't believe it. Kind of defeats the whole purpose eh.
"Why only a few muslim womens wear hijab ? Why not others ? Is hijab making a women outdated !! plz share your comments"
Because not all muslim women think Hijab is obligatory. A desirable getsure of religious freedom.
Those women who feel outdated being covered let them not wear Hijab but calling those who do wear outdated is not acceptable. Accordingly those who feel protected wearing Hijab let them do that but not blame those who don't wear as objects. I think its as simple as that..
If you want to argue, however, there is no limit.
I posted a long time ago the representation and symbol of the veil in the Islamic culture. The different styles of veils
Follow the link:
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/77877
Just wondering where is the originator of this Question and is it really benefitting him/her and or rest of the guys commenting from almost a week if i am not wrong....
that waz re; to burden... which depends on what values u have... u may find sumthing like a burden whereas it may not be the same for otherz...
both r different u r right ... in a way ~ but..
Just like, caring for ur parents is ur obligation.. wearing hijab is a duty as well, for a muslim woman .. becoz it is for her own benefit ... and showz her love and responsibility towards her religion ..
"Its just like asking:
why do only few ppl take care of their parents? Why not others? Does caring for your parents make you outdated?"
HIJAB and PARENTS.. Both are different !!
Caring for ur parents is ur obligation... It doesnt make u outdated.. it just show ur love towards them !!
Where as wearing Hijab doesnt show love towards the hijab !! :)
rms..!!
sayz who ????
itz' all about personal perspective...ur culture, ur upbringing, ur belief...
for some ppl their parents, kids, job, ... even living is a burden ...
Its just like asking:
why do only few ppl take care of their parents? Why not others? Does caring for your parents make you outdated?
:o)
Nadia you are saying "man looks if they are wearing and abaya or bikini!!" - what needs to happen is that certain men need to act with more decorum etc its not all the womens fault.
...also, wearing the hijab in the wrong way is wrong Nadia, and actually makes your hijab null so it is pointless.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
PEACE BE UPON YOU,YOU SEE THE DISCUSSION DIVERTED HIJAB IS A CHOICE NOW IF SOME WOMAN ARE WEARING IT IN THE WRONG WAY IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS WRONG,AND YES WESTERN WOMAN WEAR WHAT THEY LIKE IN THEIR PLACE I KNOW THAT THEY ARE USED TO THESE CLOTHES BUT WHEN YOU ARE IN ROME TRY TO ACT AS THEY DO I AM NOT SAYING TO WEAR HIJAB BUT TO HAVE SOME MODEST CLOTHING BECAUSE THE MEN HERE ARE NOT USED TO SEE THESE SEXY VIEWS ,I KNOW MEN WILL ALWAYS LOOK WETHER A WOMAN IS IN ABAYA OR IN BIKINI BUT I CARE ABOUT THE WOMAN HERE NOT THE MAN I WISH SHE WILL PROTECT HER FLESH FROM THESE HUNGRY EYES HERE DO NOT EVEN TAKE IT AS A MUSLIM THING,ACTUALLY I HAVE A LOT OF WESTERN FRIEND WHO WEAR MODEST CLOTHES PROPER FOR THIS COUNTRY,WHEREAS SOME ARABIC WOMAN EVEN DRESS WORSE THAN A WESTERNER ,MY CONCERN IS REALLY THE WOMAN HERE IF YOU DO NOT MIND THESE MEN STARING SO GO A HEAD DO WHAT YOU WANT AND DRESS UP THE WAY YOU PREFER BUT IF YOU WISH TO PROTECT YOUR BODY JUST DRESS UP A LITTLE CLOSE TO THE CUSTOMS OF THE COUNTRY YOU ARE STAYING IN
Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!
Hijab is not a must. the muslim woman should wear hijab only when she reach a spiritual level where she knows excatly what is hijab and why to wear it. most of muslims wear hijab as a tradition act. this is so false. Hijab started with christians before islam came to the world. Some christian women still wear hijab when they go to church to pray. The christian sisters must wear hijab bekoz they never get married. they spend their lives to pray for God and help in many social activites.
Nowadays we see women in hijab but 1000 times more sexy than another girl wizout hijab wich is pathetic! muslim u r or christian or anythin else, u can wear nice modern cloths, look so feminine and respectful at same time.
"...my lady friend here was just a few pieces of itty bitty clothing away from shaking it on a pole. "
Lol Amoud, enjoyed the "shaking it on a pole" :)
My bride/fiancee, showed me once a photo of her using the traditional moroquian clothes and she looked sexy, even if it only revealed her eyes but i told her that if she ever decides to use something similar it's per her wish because i'll never impose her what to dress or not.
I used to think, like some people stated here, that those the Abbayas and similar clothes were imposed by husbands to wifes, but i have noticed some ladies at QL use it because they want/like to wear it, so, i no longer see it as an imposition.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
You got it spot on Ummjake.... that drives me nuts.
I have a friend (actually, the wife of my husbands friend) who covers her hair loosly, wears all the makeup and jewels, tight jeans, sky high shoes etc. We were having coffee (and I must say I am a bit embarrased to go with her, shame on me I know but I find the whole getup tacky) and some American women walked by in tank tops, skirts and flip flops. Of course she had a million comments, all the while I am practically putting my teeth through my tongue so I wont say anything to her.
Let me say that in no way did these women have any sexual flair about them, they just looked casual out for a day of shopping whereas my lady friend here was just a few pieces of itty bitty clothing away from shaking it on a pole.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Qatar malls, as we see all latest designed / fashoinable abayas are flaunted nowadays. This is still not a very common observation in Qatar but in Dubai, this is very common.
It is the job of these young ladies parents to make them aware that what Hijab is in real sense and what they follow is NOT the same, what your religion have asked for?
Islam have serious problems and threats from (insiders)hypocrites than non-believers!
Well said Ummjake
...if I understand her point correctly. It's the hypocrisy of seeing covered women (abaya/hijab/whatever) that STILL flaunt their sexuality that is annoying and confusing to outsiders.
Look around all the malls here and you see the abayas lined in red satin, the ones with sequins and feathers adorning the big drapey bell sleeves and hemlines, the hijabs that are held across their faces by hand -- then casually lowered to create an air of sensuality...it doesn't get more more sexually loaded than this!
I have no problem if a woman CHOOSES (of her own free will, not because her husband wants her to) to cover(well, actually, if I am honest, it DOES bug the hell out of me to see the women who wear the socks and gloves with the whole ninja outfit...do they actually think that a man is going to get aroused at the sight of their naked little finger or big toe??), but like so much that happens here, I am mostly offended at the hypocrisy of how it is practiced.
Covering one's self is meant to be a show of modesty according to the religion, a way to NOT bring attention to your body and shape -- so I have a hard time understanding how feathers and sequins and form-fitting satin abayas equal modest dress.
And don't even get me started on the make-up, perfume and 4 inch stiletto heels!
The reality is that for many females here, wearing hijab/abaya is completely devoid of ANY religious significance anymore. They cover because it is culturally expected of them, nothing more. Hence, when they board a flight for London, they will remove everything in the airplane lavatory.
Many of my western girlfriends who have married locals/Arabs cover while they're here, but when they head back to the States/Europe, they remove it all. They rationalize it because they say it would draw MORE attention to them if they covered back home. But here, it is the norm/expected. Many of them expressly say that they wear it not out of a personal sense of it's the right thing to do, but because they respect their husbands and it's what he wants.
Is this a kind of force or pressure? Some might say yes...
From the outside looking in, it certainly seems like a very schizophrenic, disingenuous way to live...having these two indentities...one for Qatar/the Muslim world (at least where people who know you and your family might see you), and another for everywhere else.
Please hijab doesn't mean men dont stare, men are men lol.
Just this friday in city centre group of girls in hijabs and head scarfs, without heavy make walking along and three arab guys stop and stare up and down their bottoms.
I need to say this, I cant hold it anymore, if offense is taken I am sorry.
Nadia, a point that I am trying to make is that a Western woman is not identifying herself to any religion by her clothing, but a covered woman is... and in that respect I think that seeing a covered woman in stucco makeup and tight clothes is far worse than seeing the cleavage of a western woman for the simple fact that.... if a person is wearing hijab in this manner I am sure they have been told, or at least seen something on TV that this is not the way it should be worn and is actually haram (hence the argument is that if you wear hijab you should know better). A Westeand rn or uncovered lady in a shorter skirt and such is only wearing what is widely accepted in her country.
If you want to flaunt, go for it, I dont really see the issue but I hate to see there being justification for the judgment on non hijab wearing women. At least they are not being contradictory, nor insulting theirs and the faith of others by calling this hijab, and then scowling at uncovered ladies.
This is around in circles, I am having a difficult time articulating this at the moment and perhaps would have done much better if I put it out there bluntly in the way I wanted to but I am trying to be as diplomatic as possible.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
One more thing! Hijab is more useful in plaes like Qatar (and Asian [India especially]/Middle Eastern countries)because you have too many impolite men who loiter in streets and malls and do nothing but stare at women from top to bottom in very dirty filthy way and they chase women in streets and souqs (go to Egypt or India or Saudi Arabia) and they eat women in their hungry uncivilized eyes!!!
Women with or without Hijab can walk in USA or European Malls and Streets without any piles of loitering single men staring so closely at her body!
Shame on Arabs and Asians...
Finally, it is so strange that these Muslims in GCC ignore a CLEAR direction in Quraan against GAZING and Staring at opposite sex... How strange!
No woman regardless of clothes feel being watched hungrily in any Western Mall but ask any decent woman how she feels when she goes to Lulu HyperMarket and all these Asian men on the Entrance standing only to watch women!!!
PEACE BE UPON YOU, i know what you were making fun of and i didn't mean beating me i meant bst post,i am not judgmental i am just sharing my opinion like you did
PEACE BE UPON YOU
PEACE BE UPON YOU,PM here you are when you can't beat it you make fun of it ok noooooo problemmmmmmmmm
PM I don't know about you, but for me I rather be an object than a sex object.
here is some text from a CNN article which i think is relevent to this topic.
"In the men who scored highest on hostile sexism, the part of the brain associated with analyzing another person's thoughts, feelings and intentions was inactive while viewing scantily clad women, Fiske said. Visit CNNHealth.com, your connection for better living
Men also remember these women's bodies better than those of fully-clothed women, Fiske said. Each image was shown for only a fraction of a second.
This study looked specifically at men, and did not test women's responses to similar images.
A supplementary study on both male and female undergraduates found that men tend to associate bikini-clad women with first-person action verbs such as I "push," "handle" and "grab" instead of the third-person forms such as she "pushes," "handles" and "grabs." They associated fully clothed women, on the other hand, with the third-person forms, indicating these women were perceived as in control of their own actions. The females who took the test did not show this effect, Fiske said."
"Past studies have also shown that when men view images of highly sexualized women, and then interact with a woman in a separate setting, they are more likely to have sexual words on their minds, she said. They are also more likely to remember the woman's physical appearance, and sit closer to her -- for instance, at a job interview. "
PEACE BE UPON YOU,you know you do not have to change anybody,you choose your wife so you know how they dress up from the start,i know many of the nationalities you mention wear hijab maybe in a very liberal way ok,but still seeing a heavy make up eyes or lips is not like seeing the parts of the body of a woman you are supposed to see only in the bedroom,well you believe in freedom of speech and this is my opinion ok just try to accept it,i didn't grew up with hijab but really after certain things that happened i hated really exposing any part of my body(once i was walking and in front of me a little to the side a man who was staring at the behind of a woman in front of both of us that woman was wearing a fitted jeans and was walking with her boyfriend,i can never forget the way that man was looking i felt he undressed her with his eyes without her even noticing) ,well accept it as you want i don''t but this is my opinion ok????
PEACE BE UPON YOU,as for the capital letters it is usually by mistake coz my password is in capital letters,as for the manhood,i really with many other people feel it is really very insulting when you are with a woman and other man start staring at her now i don't mean necessary covering the hair i meant the rest of the body too ,well it is not my standards alone believe me and i do not have anything against those who are not wearing hijab but those who wear very revealing cloths as if they want to show the world how sexy they are
PEACE BE UPON YOU,I AM PROUD OF MY HIJAB ,AND NO ONE SEES ME AS OPRESSED I TALK IN PUBLIC GIVE SPEECHES,HAVE FRIENDS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO RESPECT MY CHOICE,I LIKE HOW NO MAN OTHER THAN MY HUSBAND CAN SEE MY HAIR ,FLESH AND OTHER ATTRACTIVE PARTS OF MY BODY AND I DO WONDER HOW A MAN CONSIDER HIMSELF A MAN CAN WALK WITH HIS WIFE WITH HER BREASTS (AND EXCUSE ME FOR THE WORD)exposed??????????? i saw this view in the park last week in a family park imagine!!!!!!!! she was getting her child from the ground and everything was out in a second disgusting come on mennnnnnn how can you accept other man to enjoy thissssssss?????
PM well said..
It should be choice. But on the other hand if some does decide to wear it, they should also respected as much as the one who choose not to don it.
Especailly in the west. People see muslim women who choose to wear hijab as oppressed. If a nun can wear a scarf and wonder around with respect in a western society then equally the muslim ladies should be treated the same..
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I agree also engr2002, and to be honest one can only explain their reasons if asked. We all do the best we can do and come the day of judgement we are all accountable for our own actions.
I think I will change my signature after this one....
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
engr2002/VB: couldn't agree more, it's a personal choice, no one has the right to impose anyone a dressing code
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Yes. No Compulsion in Religion. God will judge each based on their individual performance on Judgment Day. We are not allowed to assume God's role. This is very disrespectful. He has the Power and He will excercise it....
Leave People alone!!!! We are not judges.....
convenience;
Does this allowed in Islam?
whatever you like take it and whatever you don't leave it...personal choice....?
Scarlet is very correct. Those who believe in it should practice it freely. Those who don't should not be bullied by parents/husbands to do it. Majority do it based on personal choice.
This issue is none of the business of governments or newspapers or political debates. Leave people alone as long as they are happy.
With pleasure...
So when a muslim man is wearing flashy, "arrogent' clothing and his wife is wearing modest clothing how would you explain that?
-In simple.. he is doing a wrong thing..
Dress code is not only for women.. It is applicable for men also.
rms..!!
Thanks for the quotes,
So when a muslim man is wearing flashy, "arrogent' clothing and his wife is wearing modest clothing how would you explain that?
I have heard conflicting things about the hadiths and they are not the Koran, they are just accepted customs or ideas, they are a big mixture, much like i would say gospels in christianity.
Can someone give me the exact quote as some people I have heard say it is not in the Koran that women have to cover up?
As per ur request..
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 7 Surah Aaraaf verse 26:
26 O ye children of Adam! We have bestowed clothing upon you to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you; but the clothing of ‘taqwa’ (piety, righteousness, etc.) that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah that they may receive admonition!
Provided that the below five conditions of apparel are not violated, there is absolutely no restriction on the type or color of clothing the believers are allowed to wear in Islam:
Clothes worn should not announce arrogance.
The ‘satr’ of the person (man or woman) must be covered in the presence of their non-mehrams.
The clothes worn must not be tight so as to display ones figure and curves, and should not be transparent.
The clothes worn must not be an imitation of the pagans or disbelievers.
Men should not imitate women in their clothing; nor should women imitate men in their clothing.
The dress code for a believing woman in Shariah is not prescribed for what is lawful to wear inside/outside one’s home; but rather Islam guides towards the attire of the believing women she is to adorn when in the presence of mehrams and non-mehram members of the opposite sex.
Ref: Dress code of the believing women when in the presence of adult non-mehram members of the opposite sex:
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzaab verse 59:
O Prophet, enjoin your wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons. It is expected that they will thus be recognized, and not molested. Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 4092 Narrated by Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin
Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Messenger of Allah (saws) wearing thin clothes. The Messenger of Allah (saws) turned his attention from her and said: ‘O Asma, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this’, and he (saws) pointed to her face and hands.
http://www.islamhelpline.com/view_answers.asp?QAID=26443
rms..!!
I get it when I see both the man and women showing their "modesty" by him wearing his whites, head covered, and she is also that makes sense.
What I do not understand is when he is in shorts, tank top, ie dressing not modest at all and his wife and kids are all in black.
Can someone give me the exact quote as some people I have heard say it is not in the Koran that women have to cover up?
Interestingly in the bible you are supposed to cover your head.
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HE WHO DARES WINS
What goes through your mind?
As you sit there looking at me
Well I can tell from your looks
That you think I’m so oppressed
But I don’t need for you to liberate me
My head is not bare
And you can’t see my covered hair
So you sit there and you stare
And you judge me with your glare
You’re sure I’m in despair
But are you not aware
Under this scarf that I wear
I have feelings, and I do care
CHORUS:
So don’t you see?
That I’m truly free
This piece of scarf on me
I wear so proudly
To preserve my dignity...
My modesty
My integrity
So don’t judge me
Open your eyes and see...
“Why can’t you just accept me?” she says
“Why can’t I just be me?” she says
Time and time again
You speak of democracy
Yet you rob me of my liberty
All I want is equality
Why can’t you just let me be free?
For you I sing this song
My sister, may you always be strong
From you I’ve learnt so much
How you suffer so much
Yet you forgive those who laugh at you
You walk with no fear
Through the insults you hear
Your wish so sincere
That they’d understand you
But before you walk away
This time you turn and say:
But don’t you see?
That I’m truly free
This piece of scarf on me
I wear so proudly
To preserve my dignity
My modesty
My integrity
So let me be
She says with a smile
I’m the one who’s free
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his face; then again it is matter of ones strength in faith and urge to follow the religion with essence.
Vmakunhi: "You are full of awsome" (source Abu American) ;)
Now, more serious, i do think that if a woman feals good wearing it that it's ok, just don't agree that a woman is more or less interesting either using it or not.
It's a women choice.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
ha ha Dora - you're right. Waiting to see what he comes up with.................
guide us to the Right Path.Ameen
probably, its very versatile you know ;)
TrueFriend, can you find a quote in the Holy Quran for everything?
Anything in there about deluded religious zealots feeling superior to others...................
If it is a fashion, then there is nothing like it.
Now a days Hijab is only a Fashion.
Yes you are right this world is too small because death is waiting for everyone and no one will save from death
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 3 Surah Ale Imran verse 110:
You (Muslims) are the best community which has been raised for the guidance of mankind. You enjoin what is right, and forbid what is evil and you all believe in Allah Alone.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “None of you will have faith till he wishes for his brother what he likes for himself”
Narrated by Hazrat Anas (r.a.) Sahih Bukhari Book 2, Chapter 7 Hadith 802
Sorry for Dear
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Oh and True Friend - please don't patronise me by calling me 'DEAR'. I'm not your dear so don't do it again, there's a good boy. Now run along and live in your own little nonsensical world.
Vmakunhi - 'moreover hijab also gives women an air of authority, dignity and respect which a non-believer can never claim to possess'
I really, really take exception to this assumption of yours. What about well known women in world history like Marie Curie, Princess Diana, Florence Nightingale, Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, Maria Callas, etc, etc?? Did these women not possess authority, dignity and respect? Or simply by not wearing hijab, they did not??
COME ON!!!!!!! How can you possibly believe this?
It should be a matter of personal choice, pure and simple. End of story. I know this topic has been discussed many, many times and will continue to be discussed - we all have different beliefs and opinions and should accept that. By saying that hijab protects women from assault is simply just not true, and you must surely know that. Are you seriously telling me that women who wear hijab are never assaulted? Why is it always the woman's fault if a man attacks her - oops sorry, she's using her 'feminie charms'. Not the man's fault for not being adult enough and responsible enough to control his own actions.
Amoud- lol wlecome to the club :) i quit my job before going for hajj in december and here ad there when I feel like going back to work, just thinking about missing out on morning coffees and pot luck lunches, its something i am really enjoying these days :)oh and not to mention, going to the gym religiously, so life without work is fun.
yes, you are....
If we can only define the important things that really matter in life, and introduce them to all societies in a nice respectful and appealing way, we wouldn't have to suffer every one's sudden urge to judge others and force their ideas and beliefs upon them.
Can't we talk about meeting and arranging events like family sports for every one of us to join without limiting invitations to certain race or school of thought? Can't we stop judging each other and saying these sick words "i just don't understand why/how they do/think/believe so" ?
Can't we accept each other and respect each other's way of life? Did any woman in Hijab ask for any "infidel's" assistance or rescue? Do any of the muslim "scholars" out there see this as a Guidance to Islam forum?
Is any of the happy ladies and gentlemen wearing (or rather not wearing) what they like when and where they like intending to declare their Islam and just want this matter solved to their convenience before they take that step?
Am I talking to myself?
I'm not taking any sides, because it's actually a circle, there are no "sides", what comes around goes around. If only the governments, the media and the press would concentrate on gathering people on mutual respect based on basic ethical values, rather than helping them deepen their hatred for each other's values and thoughts and ways of life!
I am talking to myself, aren't I?
Don't u think it's a matter of personal choice? If it's outdated well that's making it seem like a fashion statement (since when was the hijab ever meant to be a fashion statement?). If a woman wants to do it, let her she isn';t doing anything wrong -and if she doesn't well I'm sure that's none of our business ;-)
Bstmom, I have recently become (as Darude puts it) one of those unemployed housewives who spends her mornings of leisure shopping, going to the salon and having coffee with all the others like me :)
Hijab is a way of life and I think the only thing that outdates it are peoples misinformed conceptions. God knows it wouldnt hurt some people to cover up a little more in public.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
thanks TF :)
Amoud - thanks :) sounds good, yes inshallah we'll plan something, as soon as I start driving here :)
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Mabrook bstmom :) We will have to meet up and go hijab shopping some time :)
As for showing it all off in public, to be honest it doesnt really matter what everyone else thinks. I dont care if the shopkeeper thinks I am cute, or the guy standing beside me in the grocery store. I dont get my sense of pride or confidence from what strangers think of me, and it doesnt make me feel better to think some stranger thinks I am hot.
When I get all my best gear on at home, and my husband can walk in the door from a 14 hour day at work and say "Wow, you are so beautiful" he appreciates the effort I made for him, who at the end of the day is really the only man that really matters in this respect. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Vmakunhi...wat a crap...
oh btw I just recently took my Hijab and so I am so proud of myself, becase I no longer care what others would think but rather I am strong enough to stick and stand up for what I beleive :)
I guess its a belief .. way of life according to the particular religion.
someone said its their choice?? ... hmmmmmm. :)
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I think its very important to learn about a topic such as "hijab" before we start giving our own opinions and how one think its outdated or needs a change or a burden. Hijab only stands for modesty and muslim women in diffrent part of the world wears thier hijab diffrently. An African muslim will wear diffrent than an Indian mulsim and the gulf and Saudis wear Abayas. As far as the diffrent colors were concerned, go to egypt and lebonon, you will see diffrent color. BTW Abaya is only worn outisde the house, once inside the four walls, Abaya's are off and women are free to show thier trendy and expensive outfits to thier freinds. BTW I think this discussion did not need so much discussion, as I don't think anyone will actually change thier views on it unless they really care to learn the reasoning, and from the proper sources, not just from any mojo (including myself:P)Oh I find it fummy that the original poster hasnt responded once and here is everyone going at it, including me. hopefully this is my last comment on this thread.
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UK & MD well said
yea right you are trying your best to be a jerk @$$ here.
I am with PM on this one too. As I said previously a woman will never truely be defined by a piece of cloth. I know some women who wear niqab and all and are not the best of people, forget religion, and I know women who dont cover and are 100 times better (mashallah) than I can ever hope to be.
I have embraced my hijab fully, and love every aspect of it. I think sometimes people speak about hijab negatively because perhaps they dont get the full concept nor understand what it feels like for a muslim woman to love it with all her heart. I am not oppressed, I dont miss out on doing anything I want to do, and have all the freedom in the world to make my own choices.
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I am trying my best & inshaallah Allah will help me --------don’t worry
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if you really dont know how to explain in detail then better keep your F*********** t**********t shut
The Qur'an is the direct Word of Allah (SWT) and it does not contain a single alphabet from anyone, even Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
CAN U TELL ME ONE THING DEAR :
When u birth which type of cloth you was war???????????
When u will die which type of cloth u will war?????????????
If the answer is you don’t know---- then how u can war the cloths in this land as per your wish
We all have to war cloths as per Allah’s wish and his Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Way because in Qur'an said my Allah not even by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH how to war the cloths for Man & woman
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and not FORCED upon a woman to wear it, its fine. I would imagine some women feel more comfortable hiding behind a veil while others feel fine without it. Wear what makes you comfortable and forget what everyone else thinks!!
PM, I agree with you that you can't judge what's in a woman's heart by a piece of cloth.
vmakunhi ...I didn't even HAVE to look at your profile to know you were male...such arrogance and ignorance showed itself in your post.
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
You can't teach experience...
YOU, do not think that anybody needs to cover in this day and age; this is a personal view and not all people should agree with this statement and i stand to differ. It is my personal choice and my right to believe or wear whatever i want as long as I respect other people's freedom and right.
I do not wear hijab to let people know that as a muslim I am modest, I wear it to follow my religion (and by that i do not mean abayaa and stick to black only). I do not expect you to understand my choice as you are not a muslim, but it is my right and I'm not offending any one by wearing long skirts, long sleeve tops and a scarf -or with others abaya.
I am from the West (UK) and have been living and working there untill a few month back and I have NEVER felt my hijab did invite any hatred (even after 9/11 and 07/07 in london), actually sometimes people from work or in streets come up and ask me where do I buy my scarfs from!
No one can deny that if a women walked by in short skirt/tight skinny jeans and /or low cut top men won't be drooling and eyes poping following her every moves - even if the wife was there!!!!! And women who are covered up most of the time there is nothing to look at except for the face.
Some women choose to wear revealing cloth, others choose to wear modest cloth, others choose to wear abayas/hijab or hijab (long skirt and long sleeve top with head covered). It is a personal choice, can't see where the problem is. Colour is a personel choice as well! You know in UK the most common colours are black, brown and grey!
Your previous comment was harsh and unfair as well - Choosing what you like or what is best for you or your family in life is a PERSONAL choice as well, so whether to go to study is USA, UK or China it's a personal choice. Finding the best place for education has nothing to do with wearing abaya, but as being a muslim - then yes because our religion encourage us to achieve the best education.
I'm not from the gulf and never wore abayaa and I don't like them as well (I hate black). But I'm not bothered by them and all the black that I see in the Mall. You have to remember that the abayaa is this country's traditional dress. The Goth look with all the black is quite common in West but I never heard such criticism.
I respect your comments. However, I don't think that anybody needs to cover in this day and age! If they cover when they worship, who they worship, that's fine. But come on, even Nuns in the West don't wear the wimple any more, a lot of Jewish men who once wore yarmulke, don't any more.
It is outdated and come on now that the world is more open to other religions, we know Muslims are 'modest'. It is archaic and to be honest in the West, and I am not saying this is right, it invites hatred not stops it!
To be a good faithful muslim there are lots of important things that you have to do such as praying, fasting, hajj, abstinence from alcohol and not eating pork and other stuff, and hijab (which is covering your hair and body by any types of cloth) is one of them.
It does not mean wearing a abayaa or veil which are traditional dresses for the Gulf countries and some other arabic/muslim countries which women in these countries feel they have to wear and when they go abroad they take it off!
It is a requirement for muslim women to wear hijab but as with other muslim commitments e.g praying some muslims do not commit to it. In islam you are responsible for your own actions, god has given you a mind to think with and guidance has been given to you through the quran.
As such i believe MUSLIM women should have the choice to whether to wear a hijab or not; as long as she knows the quranic guidance and thus should not be judged as long as she dresses modestly (i.e no mini skirts or shorts or low cut tops). At the same time women who choose to wear a hijab should be respected for that, same way jewish men wear their hat (yarmulke), jewish women wear wigs, sheik who cover their heads, nuns who cover their heads etc it is a religious choice and should be respected!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I as a true muslim believer expect people to respect my believes as i do respect other people's believes, to be treated and respected as a person and not judged by how i dress or look.
stop wearing them? There is no need, it does not achieve anything. Here's a thought, they want oh 'Western Education', they want the 'Western' food, they adopt Western cluture when it suits, so why not just come clean and admit there is no reason for wearing it?
can only change the colors of the abaya..bet its gonna be so cool looking at them..like fairies in the gulf..imagine one in pink..in green..in blue..red..with floral designs..or stars..or anything..just not the black..they can wear it for special occasions..but for everyday wear the colorful ones..bet someone would react the colors would be screaming for attention, its good to look at whats gonna be wrong with that..and then men can wear theirs with animal prints..its gonna be so interesting to see people with colors...hope i can see a party like that some day!
if they have some sort of competition that's fine! But we know there is no need for it really! It is archaic, and they know it!
some women wear hijab because they obey Allah, some wear just for culture , and remove when they r in other parts of the world.
for a real muslim its a part of their life , anything for allah, hijab is something really small.. there fore its not a burden for real muslim.
hijabs never make women outdated , how can women become outdated , in gulf , i think women r always competing to wear the latest model and best abayas..hijabs seem to becoming fashion among majority muslim women..
Reading it all; by the way it is 2009 and not the middle ages, get a grip!
Until the Imperialists invaded Muslim Countries and the Muslims started mixing with non-believers, all our Muslim women walked in this world with great respect and dignity. The non-believers were finding it very difficult to come anywhere near the border of our Muslim sisters purity. The Hijab (Islamic dress for women) did not only protect them from those evil eyes of non-believers but also gave them freedom and independence from being misused by them.
The non-believers planned to destroy their barrier through removal of Hijab (Hejab, Hijaab) and unfortunately, many of our sisters, without realizing what shame and destruction they were bringing to themselves, removed the Hijab (Muslim Veil) and exposed themselves.
When imperialists invaded China, they were not faced with Hijab but were confronted with other obstacles and the Chinese refused to co-operate with them. In order to crush this resistance, the imperialists flooded China with opium and made it available to the Chinese free of charge. Once the Chinese were addicted, free distribution of opium ceased and it was given only to those who fulfilled their demands.
Removal of the Hijab had exactly the same effect. At one time, you were independent and lived with dignity, but now you are nothing but a slave of your evil desire and behave worse than a Kafir (infidel). By removing your Hijab (An Act of Faith), you have destroyed your faith. Islam means submission to Allah (SWT) in all our action. Those who refused submission cannot be called Muslims. Allah (SWT) states in Holy Qur'an: "And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! So that you may be successful." Holy Qur'an (24:31)
Also, Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) says: Modesty is the symbol of faith and whoever has no modesty (Hijab), has no religion.
There are many sisters who have failed to understand the actual meaning of Hijab.
To observe proper Hijab is to dress up oneself modestly and appropriately covering all parts of body except face and forearms, without showing one's figure or curves and without using any sort of make-up.
Allah (SWT) has given equal rights to both men and women; He forbids either sex claiming supremacy over the other.
Allah (SWT) states in Holy Qur'an: "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)." Holy Qur'an (49:13)
Hijab is one of the righteous deeds and it is a sign of honor and equality with men and stands as a shield of protection against evil man.
The woman in Islam is bestowed with respect and honour and a Muslim gives great importance to his wife. Our Holy Prophet Muhammad's (saw) Hadith says the best of you are those who are best in resting their wives.
The status of wife is so respectable that she is not bound to do any house-hold work unless she does it willingly and with affection; but if her husband forces her to do any work; he will have to answer to Allah (SWT) for his conduct. Also, she is not bound to earn and maintain the house of her husband. Her work shall always conform to the laws of Islam (Shariat). Unlike the Western world, the Muslim wife is a queen in her husband's house. The first thing a husband does for his wife is to provide a servant and a cook according to his ability and when she becomes a mother, she receives greatest respect from her husband. Contrary to this, is considered a sin by Allah (SWT).
One of the most common phrases in Islam is the 'Paradise lies at the feet of the mother'. And Allah (SWT) states in Holy Qur'an: "And your Lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but Him, and goodness to your parents. If either or both of them reach old age with you, say not to them (so much as) "Ugh" nor chide them, and speak to them a generous word." Holy Qur'an (17:23)
Allah (SWT) has given great impedance to women and for that reason He orders their children to address them in terms of honor.
What kind of dignity a non-believer has by the way; they conduct their life and expose themselves. They have removed the shield of protection, that modesty of Hijab and left themselves unprotected and that is the cause for the assault, which takes place once every ten seconds in rape and murder around the world. But those true Muslims who observe proper Hijab are protected from such assaults and not one ease or this type is ever heard of.
Moreover Hijab also gives the women an air of authority, dignity and respect, which a non-believer can never claim to possess. Only those who are well behaved can expect admiration and high esteem from others and definitely, those who try to attract men can never be called a well-behaved person.
Those who reject Hijab and wish to attract men are suffering from inferiority complex. They believe men are superior and in order to overcome this feeling, they use their feminine charms. But why should a Muslim woman have such a feeling when she is fully aware of her equality with men?
Hijab, therefore, has such benefits as a guard against any assault, equality with men, air of respect and honor and most important of all, obedience to Allah (SWT) which is equivalent to blood of martyr. Hijab requires women to avoid any sort of attraction to men.
We have many Muslims sisters who are more concerned to please themselves and their non-believer friends than Allah (SWT). Let us not forget the purpose of our existence, which is to cultivate love and affection for Allah in our heart and not for anything else. How can we create that love when we disobey Him? Adoration and affection come from the heart and those who truly love Allah (SWT) will not do anything contrary to this.
Some of our sisters come up with the excuse that the non-believers laugh at them if they observe Hijab and they feel degraded. They may laugh for a little while but after some time, they will have no choice but to respect the Muslim women observing Hijab for their discipline and principles which could not be shaken by their little laugh.
Let us not forget the famous phrase: He who laughs last laughs the longest.
A Muslim sister lives for the future and not for the day; we can all look forward to be in Heaven for believing and obeying Allah (SWT).
Hijab is one of the commandments of Allah (SWT). The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) said that those women who do not observe proper Hijab are blatantly defying the commandment of Allah (SWT). Ahlul Bayt (as) suffered hardships and offered unparalleled sacrifices to bring original Islam to us. Discarding Hijab puts their sacrifices in vain. And the pleasure of Allah (SWT) is the greatest bliss. But for those who disobeyed, what punishment is awaiting them but Hell-Fire!
The Arabic alphabet is the script used for writing several languages of Asia and Africa, such as Arabic, Persian, and Urdu. After the Latin alphabet, it is the second-most widely used alphabet around the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_alphabet
There is no need for it at all. As I was told by Muslim friends, as long as a Muslim woman covers her hair and is acts with decorum, she doesnot need to cover herself in the way that some do. It is tradition rather than religion!
Midaz: Arabic also has some sort of alphabet, usually you call roman or greek alphabets, or russian, not sure about arabic.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
The Qur'an is the direct Word of Allah (SWT) and it does not contain a single alphabet from anyone, even Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
Niqab,abayas all are choking me. None of the malls have camel parking I m oppressed
"We are free to wear whatever and do whatever we please in the privacy of our home..Is that not good enough.."
Sorry but no, i want everybody to be jealous when they see me and bride walking in the street, y would i want her to use all those clothes only at home? ;)
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
i just saw a lot of women in abayas or hijab shopping for clothes and shoes in some branded shops here..of course they have the money to buy it and of course i dont have the right to question what they buy, but i just wonder why wear all the nice clothes and shoes if you cant flaunt it to everybody?they will wear it at home?and that would be it?end of story?
By wearing western clothes no one says that you cannot wear Hijab with it. I am western clothes but not the tight or revealing ones and wear Hijab with them.. I don't look outdated or have a outdated look.. you can look great if you know how to dress and carry yourself..
Wearing Hijab is a choice of the individual, its not forced upon but rather its being educated to us ..
We are free to wear whatever and do whatever we please in the privacy of our home..Is that not good enough..
... another "Hear Hear" for bstmom :)
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in Arab world Abaya and or hijab is worn as part of thier culture, in most cases women wearing it has nothign to do with religion, rather to stick to thier culture, and once out of thier land, they don't feel the need to "burden" themselves with the hijab and abayas. But most muslim women who wear it because they understand it and it was thier choice, will wear it no mater what part of the world they are living in.
they're not sincere and hypocrite to their religion..
religion is not at certain part of the world only...
Few women are trying to follow the western type dressing which is not at all related with the word HIJAB..That is expressing the nude...
The wording should have given as "the imitation of western style expression"...
TrueFriend - You can quote the Holy Quran all you like, but let's not forget it was written by MAN.
If women want to cover up, fine - if they don't - then also fine, though it's not is it??? It's not a matter of personal choice, but a matter of men's choice over what their women wear. I'm sure some women are very happy to cover themselves, but I'm also very sure that a lot of women are equally unhappy about it. You only have to travel on a flight going to Europe to see all the local women boarding the plane totally covered up, and then arriving in Britian/Europe/USA wherever, and 'shezam!!' they're wearing western clothes. So why, can someone explain please? Do they cover up because it's expected here, but they don't really want to or what?? If they really believed it was right to always be covered up then surely they would wear the same clothes in any country irrespective of customs and habits?
Hear Hear Alexa :)
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totally agree with you madam alexa. each person have their own opinion and standard value in life or religion.
Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand
Here we go.... hijab being forced.
Honestly, are people so niave to think that hijab is often deemed a forced issue? Are people all over the world not "forced" to do certain things in certain circumstances. I dont care what anyone says, each one of us is "forced" in one manner or another daily in our lives due to commitement, responsibility or just plain old expectation. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Its not only a matter of Hijab but lots of other things are included too. I personally feel anything that is forced upon is always a burden but if you are happy with it, that should not be a problem.
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CONFUSE ............ if you cannot convince!
Yeah. Really. You should quit it, if it is a burden for you. You don't need the opinion of the rest of the world to decide upon that.
does it bother you that much that you even created a thread solely for that?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
I'm not sure if this is a step up or step down from your KFC thread this morning, 000.
You seem to be trolling.
It doesn't matter if a woman wears hijab or not. Look into her eyes (and they aren't covered, are they?) and then you will find the answers to your unspoken questions, you fools.
it's their choice if they want it or not.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzaab verse 59:
O Prophet, enjoin your wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons. It is expected that they will thus be recognized, and not molested. Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 24 Surah Nur verse 31:
(O Prophet) enjoin the believing woman to restrain their gaze and guard their modesty, and not to display their adornment except that which is displayed of itself, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to display their adornments except before their husbands, their fathers, …….and also forbid them to stamp their feet on the ground lest their hidden ornaments should be displayed.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 4 Surah Nisaa verse 103:
Indeed the ‘Salaat’ (prayers) is a prescribed (and obligagtory) duty that should be performed by the believers at (their) appointed times.
In light of the above absolutely clear guidance of the Glorious Quran, both the offering of one’s obligatory prayers and the appropriate adorning of the ‘hijaab’ when in the presence of non-mehram males, is absolutely obligatory on every adult, sane, believing woman who sincerely fears Allah and the Last Day.
The example of a believing woman who scrupulously honors the ‘hijaab’ but discards the offering of her obligatory prayer is like a soldier who is foremost in wearing the ‘uniform’ of the army, but refuses to attend the obligatory training, or the academy, or the battles of the army!!! Would the authorities of the army allow such a person to be a part of their army only because the person wears the ‘uniform’ but refuses to fulfill its mandatory obligations???
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I really dont think a piece of cloth can define a woman in the least.
Would some Amazonian tribes feel some women are burdened by having their breasts bound by a bra?
I think this sort of question is only a means to excite emotion.
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Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) said: "Avoid being naked, for with you are those who never leave you (the Angels) except when you are relieving yourselves and when a man has intercourse with his wife; so observe modesty before them and honor them."
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3115 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Umar
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these are mostly the new reverts. Maybe some sort of fresh eagerness to show their new identity!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Infact the muslim women wearing hijab in the west is on the increase where as else where its decreasing I wonder why?
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I HATE that ad. It's such crap!
In one word - 'choice'
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
I don't think it's possible to make women outdated, but hijab might be coming outdated yes.