Escalation? Is this true or just rumors?

PM, thanks for your patience...:)

I’d like to give special thanks to dear QLers who contacted me when this thread was first posted, to check on me and my whereabouts!! I was overwhelmed.

Generally, I live by this conviction, when one door closes, another 7 open….:) that’s the beauty of God’s mercy and justice. I have no care elhamdul’Allah.

Salam

Contextually, the only reason why I brought up Egypt’s role in the early development of Qatar, was in relation to the main thread, my only intent was to highlight the positive relations the two countries always had.

It is in my conviction that the smallest country on the map is entitled to grow, mature and constructively contribute to the world. But Qatar is seeking to make history by breaking away and being unduly rebellious with no reasoning.

As if the rift between Arabs is too narrow to contain their breakup and indecencies, thus they’re deepening it with plows and shovels of foolishness to fit well.

I have an Arabic dream, that's why I’m in grief when good relations decompose to such frail state.

I’m not at all offended at all PM. This is a constructive dialogue. You might be tired of me by now.

Salam

We ended up evaluating a whole nation in a couple of posts based on a two-week visit, my mind just cannot get around that. You’re dismissing a whole civilization, I think?

I will add that a growing Arab country cannot possibly replace Arabic speaking professionals (not necessarily Egyptians), or else every exapt will walk with their shadow Arabic interpreter and another to translate their work deliverables.

That’s doubling time and resources/ budget. Even though Qatar is rich, but there are several project on a fixed budget not Time and Material.

And in this case, I would want to know your opinion about the qualifications of Non-Arabic speakers. Do you think all English speaking exapts (or even 80% of them) are rightly doing their jobs as should and Qataris are satisfied with them?

We’re still on the topic, not very off.

Salam

You mean from THIS link:

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927) ?

Thank you dear friend. (copied as well :D)

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

between both threads... :-)

This is not nice of you

Well,what I know is the i-mafia in energy sector

Do you want to continue an "e" against "i" discussion now?

This is NOT the time or the place

calm down my friend

What a coincidence, two comments from Indians on apology and escalation threads, separated only be 2.5 hours!

nice work guys

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

Qatar will be a better place to live. We will feel safer in health centres. Many were shunted few years ago but hospitals & construction firms have the e-mafia again as also the HR field.

mmyke - you mean your definition of "real world" ie. the western world? Honour is a cultural thing and a strong value in Asian cultures. Nothing to do with 3rd world or developed countries. I read your profile and your comment is surprising.

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

mmyke - lol.... bravo

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ee: Banana-Shaped is in not perfectly spherical, not shaped like an actual Banana.

Why do 3rd world countries even care what another 3rd world country says about them? This "Honour" thing carries so little weigh in the real world we all deal with every day. These countries spend so much of their energy on simply the wrong things. It seems to me that "Honour" would be better reflected in cleaning up the mess called "the industrial area".

Bleu - "Banana shaped black pearls"???

Eh! Are you for real or do you have a degree in bluffology?

/Genesis - a beautiful pearl - cool!

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

bleu said bibo,When many Egyptians were deported in the late 90s, it was really a matter of national security."

Gypsy, I doubt that a mere article (or several articles even) would be reason for deporting people of a certain nationality. There is definitely something more concrete than that. Qatar wouldn't take major decisions like that on a whim.

Whenever there is any criticism, always check if it's constructive or destructive. Many a time, it's destructive, opined by certain quarters who are envious of the success that Qatar has achieved and want to bring you down. Be self sufficient and stand your ground.

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

Read the other thread that went nowhere until page 2.

Happy Happy's explanation was very good... and noted that Genesis said the offending piece was written by "A very well known Egyptian writer in on of the leading pro-government newspaper . The article is in Arabic"

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

I'm glad your friend is well and surprised that a doctor didn't speak any English, their whole educational curricula and studies are English and Latin!

I'm on the same page with you regarding the changing climate for Egypt, no sane person would say otherwise, but I have to say that I'm surprised a bit with the generalization, I mean:

- You’ve lived in Qatar for longer, you can’t possibly have judged the 76 million Egyptians’ second language based on touristy visits.

- Please differentiate between bad pronunciation and poor English.

- The majority of “Egyptian workers” in Doha, you mean laborers? Of course they won’t speak any second language.

- Do you know how many projects are run/managed and implemented by Egyptians here in Qatar?

Note: forgive me for my late responses to you, my connection is logging me off of QL! I haven't experienced this before. Sorry.

Salam

Schools still bring unqualified teachers or the wrong set of skills.

Example: My Egyptian friend is a 5-year experienced Kindergarten tutor, in Egypt, she was brought to Qatar to teach 5th graders.

What kind of educational vision in such erroneous hiring? imagine how many similar cases, and the system will have to be a mess!

About the doctors..:))) I see they have managed to get you all well and healthy.

God bless

Salam

Qatar is almost a 40-year (young) country. Egypt has helped laying the foundation of public and Arabic education, legal and other systems in Qatar, form scratch. They’re still sharing the seats, in schools and univ. with us along with other nationalities, notably Palestinians, in Cairo.

Until very recently, I think it was in the Qatar’s Civil or Penal Code, the fine was still in EGP and was corrected to QR.

Read RAND and SJC reports and publications. The preamble states that clearly.

You mentioned Private schooling and high education quality. I should say these are relatively new as well the 5-year old Independent schools. The majority of teachers in Private Arabic and Independent schools are Egyptians (second to Qataris according to the SEC’s statistics). Public and Private (MOE) schools’ teachers are from, in this same order.

- Qatar

- Egypt

- Jordan

- Syria

I disagree with you about private (Non-MOE) faculty/staff, no they don’t hire native English speakers, the majority is from Colombia, Jamaica…etc (Latin Americans in general). Schools are still seeking profit over reform and children’s interest. The least number of teachers are from US, UK and New Zealand.

Current education, health and legal reform is a bit overdue but a good start. The system has been in place for decades! I would trash even if it was Egyptian.

Salam

In the same order of your responses:

bleu, you know better, Qatarization would need quality not quantity. I can safely and proudly say that 15% of Qataris I’ve worked with, so far, have leadership qualities. That’s enough for starters.

brit, we’re in agreement. But the 80% of translators and interpreters coming for Doha int’l conference are Egyptians. Lebanese are more into the scene lately.

ashwindoke, thanks for the advice, we already have one excellent Lebanese and Iraqi onboard.

Gensis, thanks for the tip, yes, there are fruit and animal names all over the world, like Apple, Tiger…etc. (in relation to the Gomhouria article thread, I do hope we’re “peachy” and no hard feelings).

SAM, public figures will always be either attacked or kissed up, it’s an inseparable part of their job, just like you did with mine now.

PM, oh my, “Fallacy” ya Doctor?! I’ll reply to you now..:)

Salam

Tallg - Next time when you go home.. carry Sheikha Mozah In your Luggage........ lol...

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banana-shaped black pearls - are you for real??? I want one.

Even cooler. :D

Thanks..

This is why I love QL - A veritable font of knwledge :)

Yes, Moza, as a name refers to the (very rare and expensive) banana-shaped black pearls, not the regular ones.

Ahhhh and I was thinking Sheikha Banana was really cute!

Ethan Hawke has a daughter named Clementine.

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

I MEAN U CANNOT BLAME QATAR. IT IS THEIR RIGHT. THEY ARE OFFESING SHEIKHA MOZA AND THEY DIDNT ATTEND THE ARABIC MEETING HELD IN DOHA LAST TIME ... AM SORRY FOR THE GOOD EGYPTIANS HERE .. IT IS TIME FOR U EGYPTIAN PEOPLE TO KICK MOBARAK OUT OF THE PRESIDENCY! HE MADE AND STILL MAKIN UR LIVES HELL EVERYWHERE. SUCH A BASTARD. 70 MILLIONS ... 69.9 MILLIONS PEOPLE HATE HIM BUT DONT KNOW AT R THEY WAITIN FOR TO KICK HIM OUT. YEAH AGAIN .. KOZ HE IS SUPPORTED BY AMERICANS! SHAME...

And Bob Geldof ..

I agree, however we've already apologized on QL, 3 days ago

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

I guess there's no such thing as "enough marketing"

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

I've seen the article and it was so bad..

its not only attacks her highness its also attack his highness prince Hamad. and all the Qatari Government

it was really bad.. they must apology, I wont blame his highness for any thing he would do, after such and article.

Pearl makes sense... Thks....

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Thanks for the info peeps.

no one names their children after fruits! well, except for Gwenth Paltrow ;)

Well, it's part of the "marketing strategy":

1- Always keep the name/link in front of the consumer!

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

2- Maintaining the link between the offense and the apology in the readers' minds (mind manipulation, bwaahaahaaaa)

Finally, it's a petty you don't get statistics about how many actually read the thread!

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

thanks genesis. now i know why the Sheikha is called as such. actually, we were wondering why she was named "banana" by her parents. :-)

kadaut...

Mozah means Pearl in Qatari dialect.

tallg,

literally, it means the island, but is regularly used as "the peninsula", especially for the Arabian Peninsula.

Peninsula = Shibh-Al-Jazeera, Which roughly translates to Almost-Island.

the_prince - lol Don tell me.... in spite of posting link on so many posts... no one is goin back to your forum??

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It seems I lost my marketing skills, only 144 posts :(

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

I thought Al Jazeera meant 'The Peninsula'.

HAppy Happy for people with good hold on both Arabic n English - Try hiring Lebanese or Algerian... They are comfortable with both....

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Like Scarlett, I too belive that none of us is indispensible. There are always aother sources. For instance , in Saudi most of the translators are Sudanese.

Saudi regularly "asks people to leave". this is mainly because they don't want any one nationality having too much influence.

Happy Happy,

Qatarization??

We need a "breed like rabbits" program to achieve that.

I am not suprised lot since its happining all over the world.That is what called PRESS.As long as the politic and diplomacy monsters are exist in the earth it will never stop.But for the current issue ,i wish coz of this redundant maneuver never effects the ordinary egyptian citizens while they are running for their life in abroad.Peace is really not cheap,how sad!

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All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Some Arabic Keywords, in light of the above..:))

Mozah (moza)= Banana fruit

Hessah (hessa)= Class- quota- share

Noor (Nour)= Light-illumination

Khalifa= Successor- leader

Thani= Second

Hamad= Praising

Tamim= Impeccable- perfect

Nasser-Nasr= Triumph- Victory

Aljazeera= The island

Alsadd= Blockage

Dafna= Cemetery- burial- graveyard

That's to the best of my knowledge.

Peace

Salam

Salam

Qatarization will have to grow stronger, before any of us leaves. They can replace exapts like chess pieces, but still Qataris are a minority in their own country.

I’m all for Qatarization, I already trained 220 Qataris so far, and proud of both of us working together. My clientele is very respectable and eager to be leaders.

I want this for all Arab countries.

Salam

perhaps with my contacts, we can help you out!!

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man.

-Mark Twain-

I agree. Also, there are many people with dual nationalities, with Arabic as their native tongue.

I'm tempted to ask you about the position we're looking for!

Salam

Qatar can run the country without which ever nationality it chooses and still maintain its work force. None of us are irreplaceable. Proof of this is to stick your finger in a bowl of water and remove it...see how long that hole lasts where your finger was.

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man.

-Mark Twain-

who are bilingual in Arabic and English..they just don't choose to move to this region, for whatever reason.

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man.

-Mark Twain-

Where I work, we’ve been looking for a professional, who’s an Arabic and English speaker, in a certain field, for three months now!

Salam

Having qualified bi-lingual professionals is not easy to find, it's a serious problem in our region.

That's what I was driving at.

Salam

This is a rumor. No one will be terminated over an article and if Qatar is furious, it might only slow down our visas, temporarily, as usual, while letting into the country their new “friends”.

This country cannot run its business without Egyptians- laborers, teachers, conference interpreters, engineers, doctors, lawyers, managers, advisors…etc. We’re qualified hard workers and cheaper than others (my salary is an exception..:) sorry, I don't settle for less. Good quality and cost-effective, and our gov. does not care all that much about our interests.

Last year, Saudi tried to pull the same stunt with Egyptian doctors, now they're begging for their return, after 3000 doctors refused to take jobs there. Saudi hospitals are now suffering from severe shortage.

Good time to apply there, if you will…I wouldn’t..:)

Salam

And for me, still a lot to learn about QL

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

This type of thing happens all the time in the region and many countries around the world. Governments use the press to "vocalize" their intentions. It will blow over.

Alexa, a lot of the Egyptian press are writing mercenaries, they write what the government wants them to.

We could get them to write something else, if we bid higher, but it's expensive, since they would need to move to another country...

Thats sad...

I was told by Speed - It was a Egyptian fellow who had donated lots for those Indian Fellows who where not employed for last 9 months and were not allowed to leave the country either....

And I work for a Egyptian Company.... So of course majority are Misries...

And we are coming up with a Manufacturing plant in Masieed too....

I don know how this is gonna affect....

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Oh for goodness sake... I misread "Escalation"

I still remember how Qataris were happy when we won Africa's Cup. Even one of our Qatari colleagues brought breakfast to all employees for the same reason.

And I still remember going with my wife and kids beeping the horn in joy on Qatar National Day, as well as congratulating our Qatari friends.

Hatred shouldn't be planted or allowed. That's perhaps why Qatari media didn't raise the issue.

Qatar officially objected, and I say it's their right, taking into consideration the Arabic culture.

Fight diplomatically, against governments and regime, not against the people.

Egyptians on QL has put forward an apology:

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

or perhaps its the ant that scared the elephant

tallg,

It's the straw that broke the donkey's back, perhaps?

you can change that to the Arabic version:

It's the straw that broke the camel's back, perhaps?

Genius Gypsy!

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

have lots of money! That's makes you big on the world stage. Money talks...

It's the straw that broke the donkey's back, perhaps?

Well if there's more political reasons, then go to, but if it's just the article, I mean come on, they didn't deport the Dane's.

I don't think an article would be a reason for deporting people of a certain nationality, but politically, Egypt has been escalating tension towards Qatar for a few months.

We're small, they're big, and they don't like the way we behave. In the name of Arab unity, they expect us to shut up and comply to what they say.

I'd say it would be quite hypocritical on the part of Qatar to deport Egyptians based on an article, especially since they are trying to prove they are in favour of free speech.

I love Sheikha Mozah and I think she does an awesome job, but she is a public figure and therefore a target for these kinds of things. Free Speech is Free Speech and the Egyptian writer has the right to say what he wants as long as it's not outright lies.

criticizing that it is in Arabic it just I not qualified to comment on something I can't read. Now maybe a better question is why don't I read Arabic after 5 years in Qatar!! (Answering being most people speak English....)

"Dedicated to those who only read last posts"

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

exiled, it was written in Arabic.

I don't see any Arabic versions of articles in English anywhere!

Try Google translate.

so I'm out of here. Seems all a bit childish to me, I'm sure Bush got a lot what name calling and shoe throwing....

Not that I'm aware of, but you can get the gist of the matter from the subsequent comments.

but I can only see an Arabic version in happy happy's link. Is there an English one?

On this thread (refreshing memories):

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

ashwindoke said:

"118 + 1 Post without the owner of the post mentioning the real cause......

Either a genius to create suspense or gifted with marketing skills..... :)"

Actually, I was marketing the apology!!

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

exiled - did you read the right article?

The link PM gave on page one of the other thread isn't the article in question. Happy Happy links to the actual article in page two of the other thread.

not trying to heat things up. From the society I come from this would hardly get a mention and would not generate such a passionate debate. However I forget in the Arab world some people are beyond criticism. (I guess along the lines of Papal Infallibility)

what i just don't understand with this writer is how he can be so unprofessional.it is so childish and rude to mention fis names (based on Arab culture) first, she is the wife of a country leader,; second, her personal achievements are themselves ought to be respected and admired; third, she is a person, period. or is this the classic machismo thing in the Arab world? hmmm..

kadaut...

Heating things up as well?

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

Heating things up, aren't u?

You've seen the apology, remember?

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

Alzheimer I assume, not bad intent

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

you might have not heard of the writer. But he's well known In the Arab world. Not to mention that in past years, he have participated regularly in live shows at Al-jazeera.

I hope it’s just a rumor. However, Egypt government ought to learn a lesson for beind low class. The article was an insulating slur published in a pro-government leading newspaper against our leading figure. Unless the Egyptians apologizes, I think Qatar must take a stand.

I wasn't there... but what I heard was different.. they told me that it was because of some offensive article in an Egyptian daily... very same scenario///

Up till this moment, I haven't read of one single article in any Qatari newspaper about this issue... is it a good sign? or a really bad one? I donno...

Let's wait and see... up till now, I personally assume that all this is just a big rumor.

what a non - event. Extremely tame criticism from some writer that most people have never heard of.

was by an Egyptian employee of QP....

bibo,

When many Egyptians were deported in the late 90s, it was really a matter of national security.

I'm not saying more than that.

If anyone hears of any Egyptians losing their visas please post it here.

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"Every adult of sound mind, should be able to choose to do whatever they want, as long as they cause no harm to others".

I hope it's just a rumor...

NOTHING!

It's NOT "the Egyptians", it's a pro-government writer.

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

I blame the_prince http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

;)

I'd believe this as, our company just had an Egyptian passport holder w/American greencard (residing in America) denied a work visa with no explanation.

what the Egyptians said about Qatar and Sheika Moza?

I read it :(

after reading the article I totally agree with you..

Rabbena yostor

people in power can do anything without any sufferings but common man will suffer without doing anything wrong.Allah bless all.I hope it is a rumour.

See my related post on QL

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/501927

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

I missed something along the way.

What happened prior and what just happened? :/

I am not current on this, can anyone explain? :)

This looks like a rumour to me...

There are a few nationalities that have had visas blocked and have also been deported when trying to renew their RP's or transfer them to another sponsor. The reason behind the deportations are "public interest" meaning just because we said so.

I guess it is Qatars perogative. We are all deemed as 'guests' here.... thats the way the cookie crumbles.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

No Not again.. We had a nice family friends and they had to leave some years back in a hurry. Sad

your "No" means no, this is not true

or means

NO! I can't beleive this!?

same thing happened, the very same scenario...and by the time, ALL Egyptians living in Qatar were instantly terminated and told to leave the country within 48 hours. I know few families who went through this!

Now that guy's apology makes sense!

It’s not that practical to get rid off all Egyptians...maybe it will affect the bilateral relation between two countries.

was apologizing for this

guess didnt get accepted.

oh-oh... seems a bit harsh a reaction. but then again, it is their right. oh-oh..

kadaut...

NO!