Die Religion Die!!

I swear man.. college dayz....

Least money in hands.. max plans in head... still best dayz in one's life....

Ya there are smart and innovative beggars these dayz....

even the gulf ain't spared...

mus have met at least once.. those who come in land cruisers n Pajeros and ask for money...

Giving money too deserving is really a tough task..

If I suggest to come up with a organisation which shall transfer money collected to deserving people...

sooner or later even tht shall fall pray to greed n misery of Human.....

Ya I do feel bad for Poor in India..

More for those in Africa

and ever more for those who are poor in a developed country...

At least in Asia n Africa.... they have many people around them and their are ways n means to be alive...

But to live as a poor in a high cost of living areas....

Mus be damn diff..

Never seen any.. but not diff to imagine either

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my first experience with giving a big amount was not very good either...

When I had left India and just joined college... as I was travelling to college, at one of the bus stands back in India... a well dressed man approached me... and he told me that he was on the road in pursuit of his son who had ran away from home and that he knew where his son was headed and he set off in such a hurry that he didn't have the time to take enuff money... and that if he didn't have enuff money to catch one more bus ride immediately, then he would lose his son... he even went ahead to give me an address and a shop where I could go and collect his money back...

I helped him with a larger than usual amount for a college kid... you know how it is in college right... anyway two years later I found the same man at the same bus stand pulling off the same stunt! I had been conned...

I've been careful since...

The thing is that the most deserving poor are often those whose pride does not allow them to ask strangers or friends for monetary help... Then you have to put in the effort on your behalf to find out such people or else they will just suffer silently...

I am sure you've met many people like those... the one's in college who can't afford the picnic, can't pay those club memberships, get expelled for not paying school fees... endless stories of people who face hardship bravely back in India

Versi - thts very good.

Money goin to the right people as important as giving money.

Most of us are Nice but lazy...

Give money to a organization n think Job is done.

I remember once at a railway station A Young Boy had asked for Money....

someone had brought him as a Labour... didn pay him and left him there... he had no food and no money for ticket to go back home.

I gave him money so tht he could buy 2-3 meals and general ticket back home...

When I came to know later tht there are people who are doing this to loot money.... may be innovative way of begging..lol

TO my utter surprise I wished.. hope he was lying to me.... and was a fraud...

If someone had to actually go through what he mentioned...

you know being cheated in a place unknown.. and no money to go anywhere... tht to a 12-14 yr old kid....

tht is truly Hell.....

And Organization means cumulative power...

Power corrupts..... thts a known fact...

Don blame those too... Moral fibre is weak in general these dayz...

irrespective of the religion.....

If given a chance.... all tend to be a harami..

Specially My Generation.... :(

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Good point ver. It should goes to where it deserve most.

what you say is true... even I am very wary of donating to 'organizations'...

that is why when I give zakat... I give it directly to the hands of the poor and as much as possible I give the entire amount to one person so he can break the circle of poverty...

In my family for instance, there is an active effort to track down deserving poor people... I had this very smart man (distant relative) who was very socially active and had a Government job but he died in a bus accident... and his family fell on hard times. For many years, I had been giving zakaat to his family to get his girls educated and eventually married off...

Almost a year back, a man had come from India and was collecting money for an orphanage. My dad gave him money, but did not consider it as zakat. Earlier this year... my dad visited the orphanage personally to ensure that money was being put to good use to ascertain if he could give money as zakaat... and he returned back saying that he was not entirely happy and that he would rather give his zakat elsewhere...

Unfortunately, not many people put in the same kind of rigor...

Only if enough Muslims would put the effort to ensure that their Zakat go in to the right hands, so much of poverty can be nipped in the bud...

Ok...

but jesus died for people who where Jewish then....

Not Christians...

why he died for jews ???

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God is merciful only 2 those who believe. Formatted soul does not believe so she will burn in hellfire.

Bella...is that how you see your God, who kills anyone because he likes to??? Then how just, merciful, kind & loving can he be if that is how you think he is???

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

disaster relief Funds n State depts are there to help ...

But many NGO's and communities and schools n colleges collect money and do their best to help the needy....

More than helping them... you feel proud of yourself to be part of something which others call noble cause...

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i think u shud die formatted soul. god will destroy u 4 calling 4 religion 2 die.

rubbish

Thats immediate assistance in time of disaster, Vic. A norm for every nations who has the ability to do so. A develop country would in general would pledge to this kind of funds and would benefits millions. I have not seen a zakat paying nation doing it in a similar scale.

I have no opinion on Zakat... as Know nothing about it...

would be wrong to comment when I m a illetrate on the subject..

But in general.... at least in India..

I know for sure.. not even a single relief fund or donations raised for calamity... is fully efficient..

If even 50% of the money reached the needy. I would call it the best management ever....

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when earthquake struck in Gujarat few years ago and need immediate help.....in such cirmcumstance such funds assists.

Poverty, unemployment, misery, uneducation, natural disasters and war like situations are the best places need such funds to help less fortunate humans.

In my country, providing Zakat funds for resolution of practical issues, instead paying zakat in cash, paid in kind by providing sewing machines for poor females, medical facilities in rural and urban areas, arranging mass marraiges of poor girls, etc, etc.

But I don't see who I can have it with though...

Shalom ver. I did no say the word hatred. I though we are going to have a matured discussion in this thread.

Firstly, a Muslim has a responsibility to be aware of where his charity is going to...

I know exactly where my zakat goes each year and I am very specific about whom it benefits...

Secondly, care to provide facts?... can you back the allegation that you have made? Zakat funds are to the order of billions... maybe trillions... can you prove that a significant part of this is channelized to fund terrorism in Afghanistan?

Thirdly, if some of it is indeed channelized to fund terrorism, that is regretful... However, the action that needs to be taken is to catch the offending party... not to stop Zakat itself... if drunken driving is a problem, you don't make everyone stop driving... you try to curtail the behavior of drunken driving

Bottomline... I know you hate Muslims, but dispose your trash in the trash can please... don't throw it around the neighbourhood...

OK here you go. On the use of these noble funds. "Channelling funds to Afghanistan for terrorism support" (to be more direct).

you have not made any statement worthy of comment

but let me indulge you anyway to show you for what you are... extremely daft...

So tell me... which statement would you like me to comment on?

Ver are you with or against the statement

I have translated it and typed it

Khalid do you even type or is it jus copy paste always...

Ok let us try this....

Even Gods cannot help us and shut Khalid the tigers mouth...

or even Gods cannot make him a better human being...

lets see your posts tomorrow.... lol

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you fear the worst scenario is your problem... sort that out first...

There is who is more superior than you.

Tancredo Neves (Brazil Ex president)

During his election campaign he said (if I got 500,000 votes then even God can not remove me), he had the 500,000 but he had a heart attack and died before announcing him as president

Cazuza

A poeter (who says poem)and a singer and a gay, in one concert in Rio de Janiro in Brazil he was smoking a cigarette and then he send the smoke from his mouth to the sky and said this is (the smoke) for you God, he died at the age of 32 by aids in very terrible way.

Thomas Andrews

This man designed the Titanic ship, one journalist asked him about the strength of the ship, Thomas Andrews said even God can not make it sink, and all of you know what happened to the Titanc.

Marlin Manor

One priest or scholar came to her in one of her training concerts and said that God sent me to you, she replied and said I do not need God, and after one week from this event she died in her flat.

Bon Scott

A singer in 1979 was singing: God do not stop me, I am going down, I am going to hell on the high way. They found him dead on 19-2-1980, the reason of the death was found to be a lot of vomiting.

In a place in Brazil in 2005 seems to be called Camino

A number of friends who were drunk went to pick up a friend (girl) and her mother, the mother was holding her daughter hand and said go and God will protect you, the daughter said if God wants to come with us then the only place for him is the box in the cabinet (the place where travelling bags are put) because the car is full mom, after few hours the news came that these people in the car had a terrible accident and the police could not know the car type, but what was amazing is that the box which is in the cabinet of the car was not damaged.

Christine Hewitt

A Jamaican Journalist and a host said that the holy Quran is the worst book and they found her burnt and dead in her car in 2006.

1) Moses Story - 1 - The Holy Quran Stories ( BeforeProphecy )

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2) Moses Story - 2 - The Holy Quran Stories - Moses The Prophet

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3) Moses Story - 3 - The Holy Quran Stories ( after Pharaoh )

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For more Mary story in the holy Quran you will find good videos on the youtube

I fear the worse scenario. Like chanelling these funds to Afganistan

zakat may be used by the people who receive it for a range of things... it could be used for education, building houses, marriages, starting businesses etc...

read here to get exact information...

http://www.zakatfund.net/en/eDistribution-Channels-of-Za.php

Zakat is not just used for feeding poor people which is a noble cause... editing post...

Cannot feed poor people forever. Must teach them to work.

Of course, don't let the needs of the poor stop your from nation building!?!

In some other countries, Zakat payment is a way to avoid personal income tax. Not good for genuine nation building.

Khalid - ???

I thought you are amoung those who know Quran By heart...

Shouldn you be the one answering wht it is than asking others..... ?

Id your Profile Hijacked dude ?????

tht would have been the nicest things mentioned till date.

Not being negative is positive rt ??

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What is it?

What is the benifits of it?

Plato - lol.... Peace making truly is optimistic dream.. hope this Utopia is reached at the earliest.... :)

B T W... people should be caring...

NOT caring is little tricky to understand the way you meant it...

May be "not bothered" is what you meant... :),,,

Coela -

Recently... we see the issues which are caused because of religion....

But is it k to over look all the good tht is done under the name of religion ???

All the charity... Old age homes... Education centers.. free medical facilities... food for the poor... and what not...

All this is done under the name of religion....

Many are good today.. not because they want to help the society... it is for either being God loving or God fearing...

Men by nature is submissive.... we need a super power to bow in front of... so tht we can be more than what we think we are...

we need Kings to rule our Body... and God to rule our soul.... more than their existence... it is a need

Dictatorship was a bad way of governance.... we came up with govt of people.... DEMOCRACY... it proved to be a Shait of same magnitude.....

Now we thing To answer issues of Democratic problems.... Kingdoms and Dictatorial governance is better..

Is it a entertainment to repeat mistakes in a cycle ????

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Great one Coe, thats where the bombardment comes from these muslims who tries to hijack christianity by saying Jesus is a muslim. I must say again I have never seen so much chicken shit in my life.

Coelecanth: Couldn't agree more, every scholar pretending to gain power will say that they are the ones who are correct and try to stop belivers from reasoning as it is asked by God in all the revelation Books, regarding translations, think the 3 books will have the same problems regarding translations

Ashwin: lol, i'm a peace worker and i think that a good option for reaching peace is trying to show people how they can get along without caring/judging about each others beliefs :)

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

ash...i totally agree with the analogy. As i have said before from past arguments, Religion is all about politics, and that is the reason a lot of religion are sprouting out like mushrooms, coz the leaders want to be famous and to control a vast number of people. just like Christians who have hundreds of religions (catholic, orthodox, protestant, born again(st)...WTF...only one book yet hundreds of interpretations), and muslims (with Shia, sunni, etc).

I would be a follower of FS...in promoting the cause for religion to disappear and focus on God alone. Christians focus on Christ, but not to God. As he said, "No one comes to the Father except thru me". The rest are the same...no religion, no confusion...only one way to God.

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

Plato - Long time buddy... do you come out of the den only after seeing the religious threads or wht ???

Coelacanth - Don you too feel.. religion is a system.. which is required to sustain the devotional feeling in a large scale.

Like we have corporate offices... not all of us are in production... most of us work to keep the system alive....

I think same is true for religion...

it is a system...

With it comes the politics and crap..

WE focus less on the main target but more on keeping the system alive....

W T F.. even I don know wht I m typing..

sleepy :(

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Platao...long time...thanks for the correction...i used that argument coz i believe there are some topics about who the first muslim is...whether be it the prophet, or jesus or the other appointed by God...and that confuses me about being a "muslim". maybe you can answer, is it purely submission to God (as they define it), or submission to the religion using the book?

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

Ash: Hya buddy :) I don't mind helping with hi-jacking when it's 4 a noble cause :)

Brother Coelecanth: Hi! Nice argument, let me add that the Qur'an calls Abraham as a monotheist and not as a muslim. :)

"3:125- Who has a better Deen (way of life or religion) than the one who is a Muslim (submits

himself entirely) to Allah, does good to others and follows the faith of Abraham the upright one, whom Allah chose to be His friend?"

Interesting right?

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Arien - lol.. welcome to the Army...

I knight you as a professional HIjacker... :)

But my fren we hijack for a noble cause...

To save people from serious crap...

We attack those who annoy others....

So it is less of entertainment(for others.lol).. more of responsibilty....

FS - If Religion is set of rules.... appreciating beauties and making them feel proud of themselves is also a religion I follow.. :)

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Victory - Yes , forced bachelor , back in action lol.

FS - am joining Ash/pajju/Rizk hijacker gang and will be targetting all the religious threads now on.so no sorry for this hijack. ;)

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Khalid the Lion..oopz tiger, If you know that its a free will why are you preaching, those who are interested knows where to find it. You are wasting your energy and time by posting all these religious crap. Maybe you are expecting some reward when you die. i guess your GOD asked you to do service without any expecting any returns..:)

We express and announce our belief so that others can take it and accept it or not.

Religion choice is free will.

And how many times do we need to remind them that we are irrelevant to be convinced to believe what they believe. And what more to say follow what they believe.

wizz14...you say that being a muslim means believing that the book is the last book written...what makes Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David and all the patriarchs a muslim when they have lived before the prophet was born and long before the book was written???

If you say that their submission to God is what makes them muslim, then why can't the christian or hindu or other religions who submits themselves to the God that they have known be called Muslim? Is it only supposed to be the God written in your book that was supposed to be worshipped?

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

Stone Cold - lol...

I meant.. many have not even attended school in English..

It is in Mother tongue... and when you think in mother tongue and speak in English... tht is wht creates issues.... or misunderstanding or whatever.. :)

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Excatly Aswd. Have seen some bashing wuth regards to the irrelevant because of misunderstanding of the post. Indeed we are not born with English as our mother tongue but we expect the understanding and its usage. Thats why we all go to school for half of our life to learn this talent. Its a pity that some needs to go to school for a refresher course for the rest of their life.

Victory - I do understand there are many things which one would like to express and share cannot be written here...

People might not intend to be rude... but like Xena Told me on the beach BBQ... most of us here are not born with English as our Mother Tongue so are not able to express as we want to...

But what I am trying to convey here is....

People should not feel ill about the biggest invention of man...

religion..

I know I m asking for trouble with this sentence... but screw all.... this is what I feel... :)

And if people notice the room is dirty.. I appreciate those who start cleaning it.. rather complaining tht is not clean...

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Are you still trying to prove your abilities/skills to your Boss? tell him to visit QL & read all your posts......J/kidding.

I am tired of these topics and strongly feels that such subjects to be discussed/debated face to face rather on public forums to have more clarity.

Arien, I thought you were on leave or forced bachelor nowadays?

Have A Great Day guys!

Victory.. lol.. m Cool my fren.... sometimes have to shout.. as people don listen ....

And Don you be Sorry for FS...

Hijacking is My religion....

n m very fanatic.. aggressive and obsessed with it.. no matter what people say... lol

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Victory - you have any doubts?? look at the length of his posts lol

Ash - great man , wish the whole world thinks like u and we would see white doves allover.I have no hopes. :(

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There is no such thing as "your god". He is our God.

did u had your lunch?

Sorry FS for little hijack....

wizz14 - ????

If you .. after reading my posts... think tht I am saying there should be NO religion,.....

Then my fren. either of us.. has to take the english lessons again.....

Again... being peaceful and loving as Victory sayz.... is the core and only essence of all religion.....

He calls it preaching... I call it spreading his/her love... tht is religion....

May be in a particular religion or all religion do try to spread there roots .... But being persuasive and still Humble is thought by Marketing... don know these classes existed before.....

When in a Religion... they say spread the name of god.... and every person must be his follower....

I personally & strongly believe... what they meant was to believe in existence of supreme power.. irrespective of name...

Tht is what I follow personally.....

if You are a Muslim or a Christian or a Hindu or any respective religion you follow and my dumb brain doesn remember right now....

Then I help you love your religion.. your god ..better.... Not force a noun tht you are not comfortable with....

If you like Football.... I try to tell you glories of Pele n Beckham and many more..

If you like Cricket... I ll expose you to Sir Don Bradman and Sachin Tendulkar....

Purpose is to make you live upto your max potential... not for to make a cricketer to play Football... cause it is mentioned in a BOOK for someone.. and a source of inspiration for someone one else.

And NO religion is wrong or Bad...

Can Loving God Be wrong ???

Irrespective of the way I do it... Having the intention of feeling connected to the supreme Power..... isn't tht enough

Can this be ever wrong ?????

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Enjoy hell.

If its good for you than go ahead, believe in it. Why impose action forcing others to believe what you belive. Thats desperate.

Arien - lol... If you see...

Every problem in this world has a very simple solution.

Implementation is the only issue :)

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wizz14...you are right...you cannot live without God because there will always be a longing in yourself...but that doesn't mean that you need religion to suffice the longing. you answered it yourself, people before offered tributes to trees, rain, sun, etc because that is how they show their gratitude. That is not religion, but they thank the nature for providing them what they need.

Submission to God is different from SUBMISSION TO RELIGION. you can submit yourself to God even without religion.

God will judge you based on your actions and not by what you memorized from the books offered by religion.

You always mix and confuse the meaning of the word Islam and Muslim. If it means submission to God, can the Hindus, Christians and other Religions who submit themselves to the God that they were raised to believe, be called Muslim?

In order to become a Muslim, in reality, you need to read the book read by Muslim, and you need to do what they do, pray the same way they pray, do the rituals they all do.

Abraham, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, David, etc. haven't read the books you read, and didn't do all the rituals that you do, but how come they were called a muslim? They are MONOTHEIST,a DEIST, who believes in God. They have no religion before. they have a Philosophy about God. They were able to live and leave this world without religion, what makes it different for us nowadays? Can't the same law that was applied then be applied today?

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

I agree there are many, but who is to be blamed, the wrong or incomplete religious education, old dogmas traditions/culture, child-parental values, biased media, etc, etc.....

People start preaching even before they understand the essence and purpose of their own life, judging others on the basis of religion, which is absolutely incorrect.

BTW: It was short but quite pleasant as usual...will start again next week.

many a times that Islam is a full and complete set of a lifestyle; which needs to be applied in every walk of life. It is not an easy path in current scenario but not impossible.

Are you saying that's the reason for seeing religion in everyone and everything?

Very true Victor... but some people became blind because of religion...they see nothing but Religion in everything and everyone.

Btw..How was your trip?

any religion.

Submission to Lord (ISLAM) is voluntary and with the presence of heart and soul.

Please note and remember that One cannot mould ones heart forcefully.

A person cannot be Pious unless he identify, understand and respect each and every blessings from His lord.

First to build our own character before we preach, is the lesson from my religion.

Be humble, modest and polite in all our approach and kill pride and ego from our lives, will make everything beautiful.

Ash... am impressed by your knowldege..lol

Seriously very valid points...:)

Wizz14 - First open your eyes...

the creator can be and rather in this IS.. a SHE...

creator of this thread is she.

And the true believers have to come together agreed... so tht the people who spoil the name are not in lime light but people like you are....

Lets see can god liking and the true believers come together.. respect each others Gods n believes and make the people who spoil name of the religion weak.

I m not using the word Fight... as it would not solve the purpose...

religion never fights.... it is strong enough to not use tht as a option.

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Ash boy - Nice point,so true. but proven not practical :)

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If people understand...

Religion is for you to follow and not for forcing on others.... specially your way of faith...

The sharp edges shall cut nothing .....

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Some religion is on the extreme side. I mean if need be why take it that way. You will lose the friendship of your friends, family and even the whole world. Some stayed in the cave just to promote it, and some said your father is my father, because he believe in my god.

When there was no religion that time why peoples were worship Trees, Sun, fire and other things ? Because they were raised to worship it, and showing gratitude to their "provider".

Why religion bothers you . If u don't want keep away ? can you rephrase this one?

You believes God, who told u there is God ? and who told you that you have a brain yet you believe you have one...

How u can prove that , there is God ? If you can prove to me that there is an effect without a cause, then there is no God.

How u will decide, God is one or more? huh???

If there is God, then why we are ......... ? huh again???

Is life will End after death or no ? We will go back to our original form, that is the Spirits, and we will reincarnate into another time if God wills.

If there is no life after Death then why u believes God......... ? who said there is no life after death?

If there is judgment day after Life, then how u will know that , what required to God to prepare ur self for day of Judgment ? The judgment is whether you learned something on your days as a human being, and if you will be moved up the spiritual hierarchy.

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It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

be humble

Overall, this is just a question of faith.. whatever religion we have, only God knows whats our end entry!!!!! I believe, no religion should claimed that they are the True/RIGHT RELIGION or this religion must be the one to be followed by all.... coz no One can proved it that it was /IS really the TRUE RELIGION AND REAL RELIGION THAT we are following. But the only thing we can claimed is that... THERE'S ONLY ONE GOD!!!

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just dream that religion's can die.

Religion and RTAs( Road Traffic Accidents) are two different animals, sorry to differ... it's a poor analogy. But I do understand what you are trying to project.

Unfortunately you and me live in a society where the rules and principles of the so called "sharp tool - Religion" is bent to the maximum in order to accomplish goals of some megalomaniac individuals or groups which propells unrest in many parts across the glob.

Change in people's attitude or a paradigm shift is a minimum requirement to see a sign of improvment in situation far ahead, rather than posting "religion" up front as a shield for paltry deeds :)

Religion can be human made to suits each other purpose and culture, comfort and ideals. Apart from the major religion of Islam and Christianity, there are buddishism, pagan, etc..etc of which the respective followers are claiming their true authentication and superiority. Religion as a whole are source of moral values and guiding path to lives. Its not necessary the devine cause and principles that are to be adhered to. Generally speaking, it is a common law to human life. Sould religion die? possibly yes, unless we start inventing the alternatives to replace it.

Khalid.. Many lives improved Khalid , millions of them, died without living their life. I wish all the fanatics die instead of those innocents.

Yes Ashwin .. Religion is a sharp tool, sharper than you think it is, and it has poked many.

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proselytizing on QL -- lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

religion such as Islam came to improve the human life, if th human life did not improve then it is the human mistake.

Very simple example if we have some students did not understand the teacher then what does this mean?

this day will ever come When this would happen.

Forget the religion, at least we human should make some effort to understand another human and their feelings and suffering then one could talk of relgion.

Well said Ninja....we all are God's gift HUMANS!

NINJA_WARRIOR - lol

I wont be wrong in relating your reason with NOT TO HAVE TRAFFIC SIGNALS on ROAD...

cause majority of the accidents happen cause people have to follow the green light red light rules.....

And also pay for being flashed.....

Religion is like a Sharp and efficient tool....

A Tool which if used the way it should be... is a Divine gift.

If it causes cuts n bruises to the guy using it.. the person is responsible or the tool ????????

Ya.. and don have Vehicles either...

Do you have any idea how many people die every day in Road accidents...

Back to Bullock carts people....

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go away.

be humble

Faith will never die.

Salam

I agree with Miss X. Get rid of religion and people will just find something else to take its place.

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Life is short...300 meter before roundabout!

As much as I prefer knowledge over obedience, and am able to function normally without causing harm in society, it doesn't mean that everybody else can. As much as it saddens me to say this, a hell of a lot of people rely on religion to guide them through life, and without it may sink into moral destitution. To some extent, we need some form of religion to continue to exist to give meaning and purpose to those who can not operate in this life without it.

Very well said Ninja warrior...

Khalid I really dunno if you ever read what you are posting...

Johnpur.. Qatarilady asked me to dream on..lol

Nothing wrong in believing anything any religion....but everything should be in moderate... obsession will make them blind!!

Why do some people think that we need to follow a book to behave??

Imagine a world with no religion! Am I dreaming?? :)Imagine no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 26/11, no Kashmir dispute, no Indo/Pakistan partition, no Israel/Palestine wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no Chechnyan rebels and no Northern Ireland troubles. Imagine no Taliban blowing up ancient statues, lashing women for showing an inch of skin, or publicly beheading innocent lives…

I strongly believe that today's religious killings and persecutions are not motivated by theological disputes. It is true that the motive is more likely to be tribal vengeance. It was one of them killed one of us. It sad when someone kills somebody, somewhere someone loses their beloved!!!

What can it mean to speak of a child's own religion? Imagine a world in which it was normal to speak of an undemanding language that an innocent child can understand….. I am sure that everyone will agree that small children are too young to know whether they are Hindu, Muslim or Christian, too young to bear the burden of such labels in their innocent hearts. Then the question comes up… Why is our entire society happy to slap a label like Catholic or Protestant, Muslim or Jew, on a tiny child? When you really go deeper and think about it, isn’t that a kind of mental child abuse?

What if your particular religion is true, you should rather say, for mutually contradictory beliefs can not all be true. Despite its smug presumptuousness, I can see how the world might take that view if they sincerely believed that they had the God-given truth!

Well you are right! Well i donno what more to say, i guess these topics will get great TRP's if made in to a TV show.. lol

The summer has not been bad so far except at times.. Anyway i guess i will take the back seat like i always do.. Have a nice day !

IMI - The Screen Behind The Mirror

We cannot control the evil tongues of others; but a good life enables us to disregard them.

IMI - lol.. so what do you suggest ??

What else is entertaining and can be termed Good ???

QAWS doesn get as many posts as these listed above do...

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FS, did you invite qatarlady and verisimulitude in this thread, where are they?

Doha is so boring to so many of you that the most common topics on the qatar living are limited to:-

1. Religion & Culture

2. Nationality

3. Traffic woes

4. Tata Sky

5. Bashing each other for no good real reason.

6. Doha Whining?

Isnt there anything else apart from these usual topics?

Anyway... When was the last time we appreciated, spoke good about someone, shown content towards life, being thankful & grateful for living a good life.

Where has the positive energy gone? Am I the only one seeing this or maybe i am too tired.

IMI - The Screen Behind The Mirror

We cannot control the evil tongues of others; but a good life enables us to disregard them.

After going through all these thread.

My opinion is that one could only dream that Religion can die,

If one religion died another born, so it is continuous chain,

Toy dog Drac. Straight holes from the mouth to the ass.

see the light?

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maybe i will be one voice with MD,

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Khalid - Do you read what you post ???????

It has no base what so ever....

I don mind replying to Pseudo-smarts like you....

But then others might mis judge me as I don respect the actual religion and not the misconception you carry.....

You waste all your life... wasting it...

religion is suppose to make you rather help you be happy and content..... are you anywhere close to it ??????

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Colecanth, I know the beliefs of diesm, I'm just clarifying things. Besides the point that everyone continues to believe in a male diety, I still can't call myself a diest because I still find it too related to the God of the Bible/Torah/Quran

Congratulating an Atheist

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers.

An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.

Logical concept of God

My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.

Qur'an and Modern Science

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

Theory of Probability

In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.

Creator Is The Author Of The Qur'an

The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.

Qur'an is a book of Signs not Science

Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.

Science Is Eliminating Models Of God But Not God

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?" The Holy Qur'an Verse:41 Chapter:53

Dr. Zakir Naik

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http://islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=149

FS- lol

Whatever takes birth has to die....

Roman empire died....

Greek lives only in mythologies... wht else you need as a proof...

Men are weak.. or rather we don know our true infinite potential...

to make us realize tht.... we need GOD...

And to belieive in God without religion... :)

Utopia... diff...

Religion in it self is not wrong... issues is when people have to do things to sustain it... to grow it... the problem starts there....

And every organization has issues....

For example... for producing goods...

we jus need logistics and production team....

but to keep them alive... we need HR, finance, marketing, brand promotion.. etc etc.....

religion is no exception.

And if I can share a secret with you...

Don't take religion seriously..... even if people around you do so... it wont bother you much....

Learn and grow with religion but dont be emotionally attached....

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religion smehligion... that's why i opt for philosphy. :)

You can't teach experience...

God is all the same , there is only one god too. You name it the way you want. Its all religions who gave it colour shape and size.

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Brit...He is/was/will be...the Alpha & Omega...The great provider...Allah...Yahweh...Jehovah...The Supreme Architect...as referred to by religions.

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

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If he the "architect of the Universe", then he must be the same God as for Muslims, Christians and Jews..

In Deism the God is considered the Architect of the Universe.

I think it started with the philosophy of Spinoza (Deus sive Natura)which is presenting a living God.

At the same period (17th century) it was developed in parallel the mechanicism (don't know if it is the correct word) philosophy of Newton (so called First Cause- the God was active only at the beginning)

So we can take it as The Omnipresent God (He exist in everything).

At least this is what I understood long time ago when I had enough time to read books and I must not feed a wife and 1,3 children

Rabbit...did you ever thank Constantine the Pagan for the "word of God" you all read now, a.k.a. the bible? You all believed that the book you read is the word of God when in fact it was "selected" by a council in Nicea, and voted which one will pass as a book in the bible.

...the word of God, voted and decided by Men...now what makes it a word of God if men decides which is which?

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

Gypsy...the Deist God is Just who doesn't favor a few and did not send anyone to create religion. Use your reasoning about who God is...then that will be the image of your God, not those depicted on the books who is Jealous and kills the innocent children yet be called Merciful, Just and Loving. For me, my God is a Father. He can be a brother if you want to. He doesn't give if you do not work what you ask for. Reasoning and belief in God is the foundation of Deism.

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

FS, Colecanth.. count me in the club. There is just one supreme power, religion is created by Human beings . its time to dumb it. Peace

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beauty of dreams

So what is the defintion of the Diest God? By which I mean, what are the characteristics of the diest God?

let religion die. Christanity will survive.Rest others...not too sure.

Running is the best thing God ever created!

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Gypsy...DEISM isn't religion. It's a philosophy. God did not create any religion, nor send someone to create one. As long as you acknowledge the existence of God, that's DEISM. Belief in God, not the man-made religions.

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

Is the DEIST God still the same concept of God as the God of the religions? And by the Diest defintion, what created the religions?

FS...i know what you mean. Most of us have been brainwashed since our childhood days, hence the idea of a relationship with God without religion is somewhat "awkward" to most people.

It's called DEISM...belief in God as a Supreme Being without religion. It's basically using your reasoning and belief in God. Reasoning wasn't taught in the books...it was learned. And there is no HELL or whatchamacallit...it was used by religion as a means of getting their believers to believe and put their trust on religion.

Welcome to the club, fellow DEIST.

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

did u do a quick format or a scan and fix my device format

no wonder y u asking suchha question

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My boss told me " you are fired"

I told him " boss i didnt hear the shot"

I think that belief is becoming more commonplace FS, however (at least from my experience) many people who subscribe to that belief have a hard time expressing it and when they do they are confronted by those who say "well if there's a God of course he'd leave us a rule book, don't be such an idiot", so they stay quiet.

Why cant people believe in God (Supreme Power) without believing in religion?? Is it something really impossible??

I've read those Baldrick, a similar story line is in the Neil Gaiman novels.

Not Obamaism Brit, Gypsyism. :D

and i thought its some new song by Micheal JACKSON...:(

It is also possible that a new "prophet" will appear and lead the world to slavation...

The birth of Obamaism may not be too far off..

Religions have died in the past, but if you want t agreat slant on it, read Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels. According to them, when the last believer stops believing, the god they believed in dies!

comes with birth and goes with death....its endless

No, because societies evolve and eventually religions stop being relevant to them, so a new religion will come along that will better suit that society.

for sure religion won't die in QL

'SO DARK THE CON OF MAN'

Exactly gypsy ! coz there are people like u . :=P ! J/K

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*sigh* How's it going to die if we keep bringing it up? Thanks FS...was just enjoying the peace and quiet...:P

So far really, none have prevailed...Most religions last 2 to 3 thousand years max.

Dream on!

Sadly , religions do Die... Look at some of the ancient religions including Animism..

As societies evolve, some religions will die out, others will prevail..

It is up to the "faithful" to persevere..:)

"Die Religion Die" Lyrics

by Brian (Head) Welch | from the album Save Me From Myself

I'm sick of all your rules

They're so man made

You treat them all like fools

You put my name to shame

I'm everything you're not

I give them love

My ways you have forgot

You put yourselves above

I'll testify

It's time to see Religion die

The truth can't lie

It's time to see Religion die

Who cares? Who's right?

It's time to see Religion die

I'll crush the fight

It's time to see Religion die

My Church is not inside

Your building walls

On Sundays you all hide

While the world just falls

Now go into the world

And destroy hell

You have authority

Use it for the kill

I'll testify

It's time to see Religion die

The truth can't lie

It's time to see Religion die

Who cares? Who's right?

It's time to see Religion die

I'll crush the fight

It's time to see Religion die

Children come away with me

I want you all to be mine

I am taking back what's mine

And you've killed too much time

With pointing all your fingers at your kids

That's why they're lost

Try to look deep in their eyes

You will see suicide

Blame it on yourself cuz no one else will pay your price

Your price

Die just Die Religion

Die just die

Die just Die Religion

Die just die

Die (7x)

Die Religion die - Die(3x)

Do not be afraid (Do not be afraid)

Religion is man made (Religion is man made)

Everything is OK (Everything is OK)

The rules have just been changed