DEBATE: particular group benefits from racism

UkEngQatar, doubt that I'll be going out tonight but will send you a PM if I do :)

Britexpat, that's interesting. Quite a silly mentality but it's more or less everywhere I guess.

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I am very serious. I asked him about it. He said that he was from the "Ibo" tribe (If I remember correctly), who weer well educated and in government and the Ghanians were just riff raff.

As far as positive discrimination is concerned.. The only area it applies really is the work place. We are "encouraged" to higher Qataris who may have less qualifications than expats. Howeevr, in my opinion, this is the right way to go..

I understand that when it comes to salaries Westerners are treated according to the living standards of their country. so i am wrong that . admitted. but when it comes to other social issues they are favored (such as the issue that Alexa mentioned in her thread) and Yes i totally agree there is lots of favor for the Qataris but this is their country.

So its the asians and africans,etc that are discriminated.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

Where you hanging out tonight PM and might meet up for a drink or dance...lol

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Thanks for the correction Tallg, you banged the nail on the head. So now I understand why in my Contract it says that if an appropriate replacement is available for my Position i.e a Qatari with same qualification and experience, my contract will terminated.

Coming to point why people are treated different here, that I can say definately is first beacuse of your race and nationality and appearance. Even though I am a western expat I may get the same package as any other westerner, however I dont get the same treatemnt some times as my other country men (just because my ethnic backgound.

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HE WHO DARES WINS

It doesn't labda.

True. Perhaps that isn't a good example of positive discrimination then!

I get what positive discrimination is. But where does it apply in the context UkEngQatar speaks of?

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lol tallg are Qataris disadvantaged or underprivileged ? i think its the opposite.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

Tallg well said. I think if I am correct Qatarisation is positive discrimination that is not working lol.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

Positive Discrimintation - Discrimination in favour of individuals belonging to a group considered to be disadvantaged or underprivileged. http://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/21cc/struggle/suffrage/background/glossary/suffrageglossary.html

Also called Reverse Discrimination; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_discrimination

UKEngQatar - I don't think we're talking about salaries and stuff. Most of us realise that wages are relevant to your home country, hence why some earn more than others. This is more to do with the way people are treated.

What you describe isn't really positive discrimination. The only example of positive discrimination in Qatar I can think of is Qatarisation. The same happens in the UK and other places - e.g. a company must employ a certain quota of ethnic minorities, disabled people etc.

..what's so positive about discrimination? I guess the only one who views it as positive would be the one benefiting from it. Hmmm, perhaps those not benefiting from it would be motivated to work harder though?! In some professions perhaps.

Britexpat, are you serious about the Nigerian? How daft is that? haha. Did he say why? Very curious.

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lol positive discrimination. is there really something like this?

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

I dont think it is racism as such, but would like to call it positive descrimination. Why do I say that. Look RS Westerners are not treated better just because of the race, but you have to understand that they are only offered the same package and previlages(minus the tax of course ) that they will get in there home countries. Same applies to the people from the sub continebt, or philipines or Africa I suppose.

Now the word positive discrimination really applies here and not racism as a whole. Yes The locals are treated different than the westerners, westerners are treated different than the Asians. Like they say here if you can't accept it then go back to your home countries, we are are all working visitors here and dont have a right to change the laws of this country.

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HE WHO DARES WINS

As I said, racism exists in some form everywhere. I was surprised years ago, when I found that a Nigerian friend thought a Ghanian was beneath him.

Here, I have not yest experienced any problems, however, from reading the papers and QL, racism does occur and those that suffer are usually those from "developing nations".

Actually I would argue that Qatari's and other Arabs benefit the most from racism in Qatar. Qatari's are on top of the food chain by far, and when it comes to things like, attention from the police and all other civil/public matters Arabic speakers always get the upper hand.

labda, you hit the right spot as always,....:P

Sure, this subject was in my mind due to another thread about this subject but sure we can debate about all topics. next time you open the thread.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

I agree.. How about a debate on whether leather thongs, whips and studded paraphanalia is actually harmful to the individual and society in general.

By the way, Racism exists everwhere.

We can do that too.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

Why can't we have a debate on a subject that hasn't been kicked, squeezed, tweeezed and screamed at (read overdone)? Such as, is the traffic in Doha bad? FOR or AGAINST. Winner announced after three posts.

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It definitely exists. I was just pointing out that not everyone thinks it does.

tallg but lots of us have witnessed it happening. what do you think? do you think it doesnot exist?

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

Your assumption that 'we all agree that racism exists in Qatar' may not be quite correct. Someone commented on QL the other day that there is no racism in Qatar or any Muslim country, only in the Western countries.

I am for the motion and i think westerners benefit from racism in Qatar, i believe they are the most favored when it comes to salaries, accommodation, etc.

This doesnt mean i am a racism against the westerners :) but its my opinion.

I believe racism happens most of the time to Asians specially indians but I dont believe westerners are those who are abusing this group but mostly the Qataris.

That is opinion.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi